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241  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BLTZ] [IPO Hybrid] BlitzCoin | proof of concept coin | pure speculative on: March 25, 2014, 10:54:15 PM
ok so can anyone and I mean anyone tell me when this proof of concept coin will be up and ready to mine,  is there a new count down clock or something.

any update what be great

You must wait until the concept is proven. This could take a bit of time, as it requires rigorous analysis and field-testing. Animal trials will begin in the near future, once in vitrio studies have completed. Human testing likely in 2015-16.
242  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | on exchanges | PoS | No premine on: March 25, 2014, 01:06:52 AM
Feel so fucking stupid.. I was here from day one mining & renting miners etc. Got up to a total of 150K Bc's with spending around 1btc in total.  Shitty times came along and I held through the 400satoshi time, but when it went to 3500, i had to sell. I didnt want to, as I had preached here 5K was cheap, 10K was lowest aim.. And look at me now, I sold a week ago. Got like 3btc, Had i kept it all now I'd get over 12btc. Fuck me. Goodluck in the future, I can't stay here, i'd kill myself when you guys reach 20-40K sat.  May the future be bright.

Relax man, you earned money, that is enough, we ain't God or warren buffett.

I beg to differ. We are both Warren Buffet AND God.
243  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Vertcoin-Adaptive N-factor Scrypt-No more ASICs-[EXCHANGES/AMAZON/ATM/MERCHANTS] on: March 24, 2014, 09:36:18 PM
To the community:

The following commentary is not so much for you, as you already know and understand the points it makes. It is something for the general population outside crypto, so please feel free to pass it along via blogs or other social media. And good news:
Reuters decided to post my article. Cool! See comment section immediately below this big piece on Bitcoin: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/20/bitcoin-future-idUSL3N0MH0AD20140320

Real glad to keep getting the word out on Crypto and the precious few truly outstanding coins, including Vertcoin, which is mentioned here alongside Bitcoin, Litecoin and Blackcoin. The four pillars of Cryptocurrency, imho. Anyway, please consider tweeting the shit out of the link, above.

A few thoughts on Digital Currency:
Perhaps some of you heard about Warren Buffett's recent dismissal of Bitcoin as 'a mirage'. Funny, my first reaction to that was that he's just too old to understand what it is and what it may imply for the future of money. Now I'm pondering whether he actually had to reject it, vehemently, because of the extent to which he feels threatened by it. Most people, himself included, are very invested in the illusion of the dollar and/or their own respective government-backed currencies. The more people there are who understand what Bitcoin is, the more that illusion frays at the edges and begins to come undone.
I've been reading up a little on Gresham's law. Fascinating stuff. Sir Thomas Gresham was a sixteenth-century financial agent of the English Crown. The 'law' had been formulated a generation earlier by Copernicus, in a treatise called Monetae Cudendae Ratio. This is the crux of it: "bad (debased) coinage drives good (un-debased) coinage out of circulation." Gresham used this to explain to the Queen (Elizabeth 1) the reason for the miserable state into which the English Shilling had fallen. To quote a historian whose name I didn't happen to note down:
"The statement was part of Gresham's explanation for the "unexampled state of badness" England's coinage had been left in following the "Great Debasements" of Henry VIII and Edward VI, which reduced the metallic value of English silver coins to a small fraction of what it had been at the time of Henry VII. It was owing to these debasements, Gresham observed to the Queen, that "all your fine gold was conveyed out of this your realm."
The connection I'm proposing here is that Bitcoin is, and is increasingly perceived to be, 'good' currency, while the dollar and other fiat currencies are increasingly perceived as 'debased'. This kind of thinking is still not widespread enough to have the disruptive impact it might have someday soon. But it has gained a lot of ground lately, enough to cause (in combination with a few other factors) Bitcoin valuation to rise from $25 to as high as $1,200 within a year.
Some may object that the parallel I'm drawing doesn't hold because, where (for instance) gold has 'intrinsic value', Bitcoin does not have it (or is presumed by Buffett and others not to). But what is 'intrinsic value'? I mean, yes, gold may have uses in old-school dentistry and in the making of pretty objects, but that hardly justifies the notion of value independant of the subjective, emotional consensus, "gold is precious". Still less does it confer any substance on the dollar, whose relationship to gold is but a distant memory. One might actually make a better argument that Bitcoin and its digital offspring, the 'altcoins', e.g., Litecoin, Blackcoin, Vertcoin etc., have more 'real' or 'intrinisic' value. Digital does what it does extremely well. The utility of it is tremendous. The intelligence and other resources that allow it to exist and function are tremendous (computing-power, among other things). And it cannot be minted arbitrarily in endless reams of paper at the whim of a central bank.
Others may object that while Gresham was speaking about currency, i.e., different grades of shilling within the realm, Bitcoin and the 'alts' are not currency. But this is just semantic quibbling. The mindless refrain of newspaper columnists lately has been that currency must be mandated by government, a qualification Bitcoin and the others lack. Meaning, it's not currency unless government says it is. I would say that it becomes currency in virtue of being used as such. Which it already is. By real people, in real commerce.
Anyway, we'll see how it all plays out. We may see a time when people try as hard as possible to palm off their dollars to anyone who still tolerates them in exchange for goods and services, while seeking to receive digital currency whenever possible -- to collect or spend in international trade where it's the only currency-form that is taken seriously at all. I believe we may be heading that way.
244  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | on exchanges | PoS | No premine on: March 24, 2014, 09:11:44 PM
To the community:

The following commentary is not so much for you, as you already know and understand the points it makes. It is something for the general education of the populace outside crypto, so please feel free to pass it along via blogs or other social media:

A few thoughts on Digital Currency:
Perhaps some of you heard about Warren Buffett's recent dismissal of Bitcoin as 'a mirage'. Funny, my first reaction to that was that he's just too old to understand what it is and what it may imply for the future of money. Now I'm pondering whether he actually had to reject it, vehemently, because of the extent to which he feels threatened by it. Most people, himself included, are very invested in the illusion of the dollar and/or their own respective government-backed currencies. The more people there are who understand what Bitcoin is, the more that illusion frays at the edges and begins to come undone.
I've been reading up a little on Gresham's law. Fascinating stuff. Sir Thomas Gresham was a sixteenth-century financial agent of the English Crown. The 'law' had been formulated a generation earlier by Copernicus, in a treatise called Monetae Cudendae Ratio. This is the crux of it: "bad (debased) coinage drives good (un-debased) coinage out of circulation." Gresham used this to explain to the Queen (Elizabeth 1) the reason for the miserable state into which the English shilling had fallen. To quote a historian whose name I didn't happen to note down:
"The statement was part of Gresham's explanation for the "unexampled state of badness" England's coinage had been left in following the "Great Debasements" of Henry VIII and Edward VI, which reduced the metallic value of English silver coins to a small fraction of what it had been at the time of Henry VII. It was owing to these debasements, Gresham observed to the Queen, that "all your fine gold was conveyed out of this your realm."
The connection I'm proposing here is that Bitcoin is, and is increasingly perceived to be, 'good' currency, while the dollar and other fiat currencies are increasingly perceived as 'debased'. This kind of thinking is still not widespread enough to have the disruptive impact it might have someday soon. But it has gained a lot of ground lately, enough to cause (in combination with a few other factors) Bitcoin valuation to rise from $25 to as high as $1,200 within a year.
Some may object that the parallel I'm drawing doesn't hold because, where (for instance) gold has 'intrinsic value', Bitcoin does not have it (or is presumed by Buffett and others not to). But what is 'intrinsic value'? I mean, yes, gold may have uses in old-school dentistry and in the making of pretty objects, but that hardly justifies the notion of value independant of the subjective, emotional consensus, "gold is precious". Still less does it confer any substance on the dollar, whose relationship to gold is but a distant memory. One might actually make a better argument that Bitcoin and its digital offspring, the 'altcoins', e.g., Litecoin, Blackcoin, Vertcoin etc., have more 'real' or 'intrinisic' value. Digital does what it does extremely well. The utility of it is tremendous. The intelligence and other resources that allow it to exist and function are tremendous (computing-power, among other things). And it cannot be minted arbitrarily in endless reams of paper at the whim of a central bank.
Others may object that while Gresham was speaking about currency, i.e., different grades of shilling within the realm, Bitcoin and the 'alts' are not currency. But this is just semantic quibbling. The mindless refrain of newspaper columnists lately has been that currency must be mandated by government, a qualification Bitcoin and the others lack. Meaning, it's not currency unless government says it is. I would say that it becomes currency in virtue of being used as such. Which it already is. By real people, in real commerce.
Anyway, we'll see how it all plays out. We may see a time when people try as hard as possible to palm off their dollars to anyone who still tolerates them in exchange for goods and services, while seeking to receive digital currency whenever possible -- to collect or spend in international trade where it's the only currency-form that is taken seriously at all. I believe we may be heading that way.
--Jabulon

Reuters decided to post my article. Cool! See comment section immediately below this big piece on Bitcoin: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/20/bitcoin-future-idUSL3N0MH0AD20140320

Real glad to keep getting the word out on Crypto and the precious few truly outstanding coins, including Blackcoin, which is mentioned here alongside Bitcoin, Litecoin and Vertcoin. The four pillars of Cryptocurrency, imho. Anyway, tweet the shit out of the link. Thanks!
245  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | on exchanges | PoS | No premine on: March 24, 2014, 12:05:40 PM
I was one of the original miners, and also put all my money and coins I accumulated into Blackcoin. I also bought low and sold high a bunch when were in the 500 satoshi area which brought me into the top 100. Then we had the pump to 4500, and I missed it, and it was back at 1500. I was devastated at missing my big payoff, and in depression I sold my Blackcoins. For a whole week I had them invested in other coins as I watched Blackcoin not only climb back up, but pass the point that I thought I had missed, and as the days ticked by my BTC went down, and down, and down. Finally today at 6000 satoshi I bought back in and gained less than 10% of my original Blackcoins. I am glad that I got back in because now it is almost 9000. I learned a lot from this experience, to go with my intuition. I shouldn't have let the market shake my confidence in Blackcoin. This experience has made me more confident in my own convictions from now on.

Nice tale of hard-won experience. Thanks for sharing.
246  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | on exchanges | PoS | No premine on: March 23, 2014, 10:17:42 PM
What Yogi Berra have said to all this?
Answer: "Blackcoin? It's like de ja Bitcoin all over again."
247  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | on exchanges | PoS | No premine on: March 23, 2014, 09:32:22 PM
After the great shakeout of shitcoins and wannabees, behold! The International Flag of Crypto, recognized worldwide: https://i.imgur.com/I7kRgRi.png

I take it as BTC, LTC, BC and MINT, right?

Yikes, no, green was for Vertcoin. Lol, sorry for the ambiguity. (not Emerald or Pot either haha).

Seriously, these four strike me as the four pillars of crypto. Bitcoin the grandaddy of them all, Litecoin the great Scrypt original, Vertcoin the N-Scrypt King, and Blackcoin the PoS King.
248  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | on exchanges | PoS | No premine on: March 23, 2014, 09:27:12 PM
After the great shakeout of shitcoins and wannabees, behold! The International Flag of Crypto, recognized worldwide: https://i.imgur.com/I7kRgRi.png

I take it as BTC, LTC, BC and MINT, right?

Yikes, no, green was for Vertcoin. Lol, sorry for the ambiguity. (not Emerald or Pot either haha).
249  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | on exchanges | PoS | No premine on: March 23, 2014, 09:23:37 PM
After the great shakeout of shitcoins and wannabees, behold! The International Flag of Crypto, recognized worldwide: https://i.imgur.com/I7kRgRi.png
250  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | on exchanges | PoS | No premine on: March 23, 2014, 09:12:08 PM
Simple question: What makes blackcoin substantially and essentially diffferent from peercoin, novacoin and mintcoin?

Assuming this is a legitimate question and not a trolling attempt.

Peercoin and Novacoin are a hyrbid of proof of work and proof of stake. Blackcoin is proof of stake only making it more environmentally friendly.

Mintcoin is similar to Blackcoin except it's premined and the proof of stake rate of interest is 20% rather than Blackcoin's 1%. 20% interest rate is too high for various reasons discussed already.

It's more than technical specifications that make a coin though. Otherwise Litecoin would have the same market cap as Bitcoin. It's also community support and the quality of the dev team (blackcoin has a great one as demonstrated by the blackcoin multicoin concept being pioneered).

I am not troling. I am beeing a potential investors understanding his investments and asking questions for that purpose.
So... Smiley
Where does the POS code come from? I assume it is based on PPC?
There was a reason (security reasons) why PPC does not rely on POS completely and not that quick. Did Mintcion/Blackcoin overcome this?

I'm not a coin dev so can't answer that with authority. I read someone else say on here that the Blackcoin code is using a modified version of PPCoin's staking algorithm. However I don't know how accurate that statement is (he seemed to know what he was talking about but I lack the knowledge to verify it).

Sunny the PPC dev brilliant though he is has always been vague about PPC and it's security issues.

Understood. To my knowledge, Sunny King sorted the matter out already over a month ago. To wit:

The protocol upgrade in 0.3.0 includes a new algorithm to derive proof-of-stake hash modifier, the entity that scrambles computation for stake owners, which replaces the current proof-of-stake difficulty used as modifier in 0.2 protocol. The design was started late September last year, when I first began to realize the issues with using difficulty as modifier. Honorary mention also goes to Jutarul, who independently discovered and verified an issue with using difficulty as modifier and published on bitcointalk in December last year, while successfully executed a demo attack on the block chain. Other changes in the protocol include starting hash weight from 0 at the 30-day mininum age, and requirement that coinstake timestamp must equal block timestamp. Overall 0.3 protocol should significantly strengthen the proof-of-stake protection and resolve the current known vulnerabilities.

My sincere appreciation to co-contributors of 0.3.0 release:

Robert VanHazinga of Hartland PC (dreamwatcher) for the vanitygen compatibility fix
Jutarul for demonstrating stake generation vulnerability
EskimoBob for reporting issue fixed in 0.3.0


You mean that PPC has solved the security issues and now could works as pure POS too?

That is my understanding.

Then my initial question is still valid. What specifically is better about Blockcoin compared to PPC?

PPC generates a lot of new Proof of Work coins each day, if these are sold directly PPC needs a lot of BTC each day to sustain the price. With blackcoin the inflation is only 1% per year so it needs a much lower daily flow of BTC to keep the price steady. This is the biggest advantage of BC over PPC. Also dont forget the energy efficient part as there is no need for a expensive miner rig to generate new coins.

Why didnt PPC reduce their POW if they resolved the security issue?

And when did that PPC 0.3 update come out? 

That update from Sunny King was from around Feb 18.
251  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | on exchanges | PoS | No premine on: March 23, 2014, 05:43:22 PM
Simple question: What makes blackcoin substantially and essentially diffferent from peercoin, novacoin and mintcoin?

Assuming this is a legitimate question and not a trolling attempt.

Peercoin and Novacoin are a hyrbid of proof of work and proof of stake. Blackcoin is proof of stake only making it more environmentally friendly.

Mintcoin is similar to Blackcoin except it's premined and the proof of stake rate of interest is 20% rather than Blackcoin's 1%. 20% interest rate is too high for various reasons discussed already.

It's more than technical specifications that make a coin though. Otherwise Litecoin would have the same market cap as Bitcoin. It's also community support and the quality of the dev team (blackcoin has a great one as demonstrated by the blackcoin multicoin concept being pioneered).

I am not troling. I am beeing a potential investors understanding his investments and asking questions for that purpose.
So... Smiley
Where does the POS code come from? I assume it is based on PPC?
There was a reason (security reasons) why PPC does not rely on POS completely and not that quick. Did Mintcion/Blackcoin overcome this?

I'm not a coin dev so can't answer that with authority. I read someone else say on here that the Blackcoin code is using a modified version of PPCoin's staking algorithm. However I don't know how accurate that statement is (he seemed to know what he was talking about but I lack the knowledge to verify it).

Sunny the PPC dev brilliant though he is has always been vague about PPC and it's security issues.

Understood. To my knowledge, Sunny King sorted the matter out already over a month ago. To wit:

The protocol upgrade in 0.3.0 includes a new algorithm to derive proof-of-stake hash modifier, the entity that scrambles computation for stake owners, which replaces the current proof-of-stake difficulty used as modifier in 0.2 protocol. The design was started late September last year, when I first began to realize the issues with using difficulty as modifier. Honorary mention also goes to Jutarul, who independently discovered and verified an issue with using difficulty as modifier and published on bitcointalk in December last year, while successfully executed a demo attack on the block chain. Other changes in the protocol include starting hash weight from 0 at the 30-day mininum age, and requirement that coinstake timestamp must equal block timestamp. Overall 0.3 protocol should significantly strengthen the proof-of-stake protection and resolve the current known vulnerabilities.

My sincere appreciation to co-contributors of 0.3.0 release:

Robert VanHazinga of Hartland PC (dreamwatcher) for the vanitygen compatibility fix
Jutarul for demonstrating stake generation vulnerability
EskimoBob for reporting issue fixed in 0.3.0


You mean that PPC has solved the security issues and now could works as pure POS too?

That is my understanding.
252  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | on exchanges | PoS | No premine on: March 23, 2014, 05:39:28 PM
Simple question: What makes blackcoin substantially and essentially diffferent from peercoin, novacoin and mintcoin?

Assuming this is a legitimate question and not a trolling attempt.

Peercoin and Novacoin are a hyrbid of proof of work and proof of stake. Blackcoin is proof of stake only making it more environmentally friendly.

Mintcoin is similar to Blackcoin except it's premined and the proof of stake rate of interest is 20% rather than Blackcoin's 1%. 20% interest rate is too high for various reasons discussed already.

It's more than technical specifications that make a coin though. Otherwise Litecoin would have the same market cap as Bitcoin. It's also community support and the quality of the dev team (blackcoin has a great one as demonstrated by the blackcoin multicoin concept being pioneered).

I am not troling. I am beeing a potential investors understanding his investments and asking questions for that purpose.
So... Smiley
Where does the POS code come from? I assume it is based on PPC?
There was a reason (security reasons) why PPC does not rely on POS completely and not that quick. Did Mintcion/Blackcoin overcome this?

I'm not a coin dev so can't answer that with authority. I read someone else say on here that the Blackcoin code is using a modified version of PPCoin's staking algorithm. However I don't know how accurate that statement is (he seemed to know what he was talking about but I lack the knowledge to verify it).

Sunny the PPC dev brilliant though he is has always been vague about PPC and it's security issues.

Understood. To my knowledge, Sunny King sorted the matter out already over a month ago. To wit:

The protocol upgrade in 0.3.0 includes a new algorithm to derive proof-of-stake hash modifier, the entity that scrambles computation for stake owners, which replaces the current proof-of-stake difficulty used as modifier in 0.2 protocol. The design was started late September last year, when I first began to realize the issues with using difficulty as modifier. Honorary mention also goes to Jutarul, who independently discovered and verified an issue with using difficulty as modifier and published on bitcointalk in December last year, while successfully executed a demo attack on the block chain. Other changes in the protocol include starting hash weight from 0 at the 30-day mininum age, and requirement that coinstake timestamp must equal block timestamp. Overall 0.3 protocol should significantly strengthen the proof-of-stake protection and resolve the current known vulnerabilities.

My sincere appreciation to co-contributors of 0.3.0 release:

Robert VanHazinga of Hartland PC (dreamwatcher) for the vanitygen compatibility fix
Jutarul for demonstrating stake generation vulnerability
EskimoBob for reporting issue fixed in 0.3.0
253  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | on exchanges | PoS | No premine on: March 23, 2014, 05:33:59 PM
What, image-link posts don't work anymore? Damn. I had the perfect Cryptocurrency flag of the future.
254  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | on exchanges | PoS | No premine on: March 23, 2014, 04:37:20 PM
So what will this coin be worth in the future? Where do you think we could go with it and what price do you think each coin could potentially be worth? Would love to hear your opinions!

As I've mentioned in a previous post, parity with Litecoin today would signify approximately $5/BC. I see that as a reasonable benchmark destination, for the time being. If LTC goes up faster than its currency expansion/dilution, I would raise that benchmark accordingly.
255  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | on exchanges | PoS | No premine on: March 23, 2014, 02:37:25 PM
To the community:

The following commentary is not so much for you, as you already know and understand the points it makes. It is something for the general education of the populace outside crypto, so please feel free to pass it along via blogs or other social media:

A few thoughts on Digital Currency:
Perhaps some of you heard about Warren Buffett's recent dismissal of Bitcoin as 'a mirage'. Funny, my first reaction to that was that he's just too old to understand what it is and what it may imply for the future of money. Now I'm pondering whether he actually had to reject it, vehemently, because of the extent to which he feels threatened by it. Most people, himself included, are very invested in the illusion of the dollar and/or their own respective government-backed currencies. The more people there are who understand what Bitcoin is, the more that illusion frays at the edges and begins to come undone.

I've been reading up a little on Gresham's law. Fascinating stuff. Sir Thomas Gresham was a sixteenth-century financial agent of the English Crown. The 'law' had been formulated a generation earlier by Copernicus, in a treatise called Monetae Cudendae Ratio. This is the crux of it: "bad (debased) coinage drives good (un-debased) coinage out of circulation." Gresham used this to explain to the Queen (Elizabeth 1) the reason for the miserable state into which the English shilling had fallen. To quote a historian whose name I didn't happen to note down:

"The statement was part of Gresham's explanation for the "unexampled state of badness" England's coinage had been left in following the "Great Debasements" of Henry VIII and Edward VI, which reduced the metallic value of English silver coins to a small fraction of what it had been at the time of Henry VII. It was owing to these debasements, Gresham observed to the Queen, that "all your fine gold was conveyed out of this your realm."

The connection I'm proposing here is that Bitcoin is, and is increasingly perceived to be, 'good' currency, while the dollar and other fiat currencies are increasingly perceived as 'debased'. This kind of thinking is still not widespread enough to have the disruptive impact it might have someday soon. But it has gained a lot of ground lately, enough to cause (in combination with a few other factors) Bitcoin valuation to rise from $25 to as high as $1,200 within a year.

Some may object that the parallel I'm drawing doesn't hold because, where (for example) gold has 'intrinsic value', Bitcoin does not have it (or is presumed by Buffett and others not to). But what is 'intrinsic value'? I mean, yes, gold may have uses in old-school dentistry and in the making of pretty objects, but that hardly justifies the notion of value independant of the subjective, emotional consensus, "gold is precious". Still less does it confer any substance on the dollar, whose relationship to gold is but a distant memory. One might actually make a better argument that Bitcoin and its digital offspring, the 'altcoins', e.g., Litecoin, Blackcoin, Vertcoin etc., have more 'real' or 'intrinisic' value. Digital does what it does extremely well. The utility of it is tremendous. The intelligence and other resources that allow it to exist and function are tremendous (computing-power, among other things). And it cannot be minted arbitrarily in endless reams of paper at the whim of a central bank.

Others may object that while Gresham was speaking about currency, i.e., different grades of shilling within the realm, Bitcoin and the 'alts' are not currency. But this is just semantic quibbling. The mindless refrain of newspaper columnists lately has been that currency must be mandated by government, a qualification Bitcoin and the others lack. Meaning, it's not currency unless government says it is. I would say that it becomes currency in virtue of being used as such. Which it already is. By real people, in real commerce.

Anyway, we'll see how it all plays out. We may see a time when people try as hard as possible to palm off their dollars to anyone who still tolerates them in exchange for goods and services, while seeking to receive digital currency whenever possible -- to collect or spend in international trade where it's the only currency-form that is taken seriously at all. I believe we may be heading that way.
--Jabulon

made it a better wall of text Cheesy

Thanks - looks much better. And on re-reading I just realized I'd misspelled Warren Buffett (now corrected). No doubt this is a sign of how much of my respect he has lost.
256  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | on exchanges | PoS | No premine on: March 23, 2014, 11:03:16 AM
To the community:

The following commentary is not so much for you, as you already know and understand the points it makes. It is something for the general education of the populace outside crypto, so please feel free to pass it along via blogs or other social media:

A few thoughts on Digital Currency:
Perhaps some of you heard about Warren Buffett's recent dismissal of Bitcoin as 'a mirage'. Funny, my first reaction to that was that he's just too old to understand what it is and what it may imply for the future of money. Now I'm pondering whether he actually had to reject it, vehemently, because of the extent to which he feels threatened by it. Most people, himself included, are very invested in the illusion of the dollar and/or their own respective government-backed currencies. The more people there are who understand what Bitcoin is, the more that illusion frays at the edges and begins to come undone.
I've been reading up a little on Gresham's law. Fascinating stuff. Sir Thomas Gresham was a sixteenth-century financial agent of the English Crown. The 'law' had been formulated a generation earlier by Copernicus, in a treatise called Monetae Cudendae Ratio. This is the crux of it: "bad (debased) coinage drives good (un-debased) coinage out of circulation." Gresham used this to explain to the Queen (Elizabeth 1) the reason for the miserable state into which the English shilling had fallen. To quote a historian whose name I didn't happen to note down:
"The statement was part of Gresham's explanation for the "unexampled state of badness" England's coinage had been left in following the "Great Debasements" of Henry VIII and Edward VI, which reduced the metallic value of English silver coins to a small fraction of what it had been at the time of Henry VII. It was owing to these debasements, Gresham observed to the Queen, that "all your fine gold was conveyed out of this your realm."
The connection I'm proposing here is that Bitcoin is, and is increasingly perceived to be, 'good' currency, while the dollar and other fiat currencies are increasingly perceived as 'debased'. This kind of thinking is still not widespread enough to have the disruptive impact it might have someday soon. But it has gained a lot of ground lately, enough to cause (in combination with a few other factors) Bitcoin valuation to rise from $25 to as high as $1,200 within a year.
Some may object that the parallel I'm drawing doesn't hold because, where (for instance) gold has 'intrinsic value', Bitcoin does not have it (or is presumed by Buffett and others not to). But what is 'intrinsic value'? I mean, yes, gold may have uses in old-school dentistry and in the making of pretty objects, but that hardly justifies the notion of value independant of the subjective, emotional consensus, "gold is precious". Still less does it confer any substance on the dollar, whose relationship to gold is but a distant memory. One might actually make a better argument that Bitcoin and its digital offspring, the 'altcoins', e.g., Litecoin, Blackcoin, Vertcoin etc., have more 'real' or 'intrinisic' value. Digital does what it does extremely well. The utility of it is tremendous. The intelligence and other resources that allow it to exist and function are tremendous (computing-power, among other things). And it cannot be minted arbitrarily in endless reams of paper at the whim of a central bank.
Others may object that while Gresham was speaking about currency, i.e., different grades of shilling within the realm, Bitcoin and the 'alts' are not currency. But this is just semantic quibbling. The mindless refrain of newspaper columnists lately has been that currency must be mandated by government, a qualification Bitcoin and the others lack. Meaning, it's not currency unless government says it is. I would say that it becomes currency in virtue of being used as such. Which it already is. By real people, in real commerce.
Anyway, we'll see how it all plays out. We may see a time when people try as hard as possible to palm off their dollars to anyone who still tolerates them in exchange for goods and services, while seeking to receive digital currency whenever possible -- to collect or spend in international trade where it's the only currency-form that is taken seriously at all. I believe we may be heading that way.
--Jabulon
257  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | on exchanges | PoS | No premine on: March 23, 2014, 10:51:25 AM
Blackcoin multipool is the most evil idea.. you destroyed other coin and in the end karma will revenges you guys  Tongue

There is nothing evil about evolution.

In fact to the contrary, the evolution of cryptocurrency is both desirable and necessary. It may displease some who bet big on the wrong coin, but that says nothing about what is good for the long-term viability and health of crypto. Eternalsoldier, I would suggest you are getting emotional in a misguided way, about the wrong thing. This cannot serve your own survival very well as an investor in crypto. Consider that the anatomically modern human as we know him, of which you are presumably an example, i.e., 'cro-magnon man', at one time co-existed with the Neanderthal subspecies. The latter eventually disappeared, due to one or more of the following:

Competitive replacement due to anatomical differences (affecting running ability, hunting ability, etc.)
Rapid extinction by violence
Rapid extinction by parasites and pathogens.

Anyway, if you feel that crypto is or could become a good and useful thing - let nature take its course in gradually refining and improving the product.
258  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | on exchanges | PoS | No premine on: March 22, 2014, 09:57:34 PM
Blackcoin has highest market cap of any bitcoin based coin which is pure proof of stake. This is a big strength too.

I expect over the coming year the media to bring more and more attention to how much money is wasted mining bitcoin everyday (>$15 million of electricity).

Blackcoin is in a great position and is very undervalued at present. We should be over 10 million market cap easy. That's 7 times higher price. When you factor in we're not going to have proof of work mined coins being constantly dumped on the market every day, the sky is the limit for this coin imo providing we market it correctly and no technical glitches occur with pure proof of stake.

Coins which don't have new coins being dumped on the market tend to go high up in the market cap ranks once they are established (ripple, nxt, mastercoin etc)

Agreed overall, however the three examples you mention had the advantage of massive premine/VC investment (in the case of Ripple 100% 'premine'). It will therefore be even more noteworthy to see how Blackcoin evolves, which I expect it to, into a top 5 coin.
259  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | on exchanges | PoS | No premine on: March 22, 2014, 08:16:05 PM
I know some people here have their own reasons for saying the things they do. Mainly to sell of their own coins at a higher price. I've been considering purchasing some not at the pumped level but what is the real value in these coins. Also if the coin was only mined for a week wouldn't some people have a huge supply that can be sold quickly killing price?

I suspect a very large percentage of the original miner-dumpers unoaded a long time ago, on the way down from 2000's to 500 and below, and that what we have seen has been a cycle of distribution/buy-backs, with periodic sell-offs by purely speculative players. Orderbook behaivior suggests increasing number of average-wallet investors losing any interest in selling. Look at the maarx wallet list for further interesting insights.

Couldn't wallets be broken up. like taking large amount of coins and putting them in multiple wallets?

This is no doubt the case, and I have pointed out the same in previous posts. It would be a challenge to determine the extent of that, though. At very least, most people who mined would have mined into one address and bought into another. Surely some others have deliberately broken up their stash in other ways as well. Nonetheless, it is evident that there's an increasingly vast number of smaller players coming in to stake their claim to a bit of Blackcoin real estate. I think a few fat whales got eaten by the 10,000 piranas.
260  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC) | on exchanges | PoS | No premine on: March 22, 2014, 08:04:06 PM
I know some people here have their own reasons for saying the things they do. Mainly to sell of their own coins at a higher price. I've been considering purchasing some not at the pumped level but what is the real value in these coins. Also if the coin was only mined for a week wouldn't some people have a huge supply that can be sold quickly killing price?

I suspect a very large percentage of the original miner-dumpers unoaded a long time ago, on the way down from 2000's to 500 and below, and that what we have seen has been a cycle of distribution/buy-backs, with periodic sell-offs by purely speculative players. Orderbook behaivior suggests increasing number of average-wallet investors losing any interest in selling. Look at the maarx wallet list for further interesting insights.
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