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241  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If Bitcoin is made illegal... on: June 17, 2011, 09:33:51 PM
There's really no precedent for any currency being "made illegal"

hello?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

242  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WARNING: Buttcoin.org has a direct link to a Bitcoin Wallet Targetting Virus on: June 17, 2011, 09:18:04 PM
I did, it's a joke.
there is a "wallet verifier" that lets you upload your wallet.dat to have it checked for malware...
243  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Plea from above - stop wild market swings on: June 17, 2011, 09:12:58 PM
maybe BTC is falling because Big Ben stopped QE2
244  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [FORTUNE] The clock is ticking on Bitcoin on: June 17, 2011, 09:08:11 PM
I don't know anyone who uses Bitcoins to buy anything at all, does that mean it never happens?


pretty much, yes  Cheesy
245  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hold on to your butts... on: June 17, 2011, 09:06:37 PM
YO! Can you wait till for 1 hours and 5min more? I want to win a bet before you tilt dump all you have, ty!! Grin Grin

Ha. Not me dumping, I only have about 10 BTC to my name...

spent the rest of your 9990 BTC on "insider information" like this?
246  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Forking the Blockchain for Futures on: June 17, 2011, 09:04:17 PM
A bitcoin now and a bitcoin delivered next year are distinct goods, but perhaps calling this a bond would be better. I will edit the original post to reflect the name change. I will also place a 25 BTC bounty on development of a bitcoin client which offers the 'bond' features I am proposing within one year. Happy to deliver the bounty in advance to Gavin Andresen to judge contributions. If he accepts this responsibility, he would judge contributions to successful development of the proposed bond features or return the BTC to me in one year if they are not successfully developed.

I'm afraid you dont understand bonds either. bonds are issued by one party and bought by another, as a whole forming a loan agreement. if bitcoin succeeds there will be a bond market.

what has that to do with the monetary system and why do you need to "mine" them?
247  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Plea from above - stop wild market swings on: June 17, 2011, 08:58:23 PM
I think speculators are screwing with the market so they can buy tons of coins from old-timers and miners.

please. speculators ARE the market.
there is no bitcoin economy to speak of.


btw, your idea of a publicly funded bot that stabilized the price is a speculator's dream.
see bank of england vs. george soros.
248  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Join Bitcoin7 & Get 0.50 Bitcoin -=Only For The Next 24 Hours=- on: June 17, 2011, 08:44:11 PM
The amusing thing is it's only a couple of days ago the same scam was tried.. and a bunch of people fell for it then too.


is it the same guy?
why is he not banned?
249  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [FORTUNE] The clock is ticking on Bitcoin on: June 17, 2011, 07:17:17 PM
oh. looks like that article already changed by a lot.
I referred to the current version.
250  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [FORTUNE] The clock is ticking on Bitcoin on: June 17, 2011, 07:11:28 PM
out of context?
he is quite right that the US govt will go after it.

if you think the last two weeks was volatility, look what's ahead.
251  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Forking the Blockchain for Futures on: June 17, 2011, 05:16:42 PM
either you or I don't understand futures.
futures are by definition the exchange of one good for another (or a equivalent monetary settlement), here BTC for USD.
how can this NOT be done by an exchange but by bitcoin only?
252  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are the stolen bitcoins currently being sold on mtgox? on: June 16, 2011, 07:36:30 PM
So you're perfectly fine it being anonymous when you personally want to use it buy drugs or child pornography or any other nasty and illegal shit

I don't.

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you care to name, but when you have even the vaguest suspicions that someone's money might have at one point been stolen they should have their money stripped from them and their identity revealed to all?


1. it doesnt matter whether I care or not. a bitcoin -> USD withdrawal isnt anonymous, pretending otherwise because you want it to be is stupid.

2. I never said Mt. Gox should reveal the identity to all. I said the victim might have the justice system make Mt. Gox reveal the identity if he can provide enough evidence and the thieve isnt clever enough to hide his tracks.

this will happen at some point, be it because of stolen bitcoins or because of some illegal purchase / money transfer.
Mt. Gox even said publicly they want to run a legitimate and legal business and work with the authorities.
253  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Deep Thoughts - Collapse of the Bitcoin Network on: June 16, 2011, 07:26:38 PM
I think what the author refers to here is a a desaster like that when bitcoins are already widely accepted - like USD today.
in this scenario, you don't have to worry about whether the network can eventually be fixed by a software update. you have to worry about a downtime of a single day, which causes banks to fail and other fun stuff.
254  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are the stolen bitcoins currently being sold on mtgox? on: June 16, 2011, 07:13:24 PM
Hey um just so you know, lack of regulation and anonymousness are what bitcoin is built on. Trying to get mtgox to regulate the market because you don't like what someones doing is the dumbest fucking idea I've ever heard.

for whatever reason you think bitcoin was created, people now have massive economic interest in it and are going to try to protect it, whatever it takes - including breaking a thieve's anonymity.

pretending bitcoin is anonymous because it was intended to be anonymous - give or take $500,000 - is the dumbest fucking position _I_ have ever heard.
255  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Very large wallet -- with lulz input on: June 16, 2011, 03:22:08 PM
what reason could they have to bundle it in one address?
unless it's a Mt.Gox address, but why have 400k there?
256  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ideas for increasing exchange security on: June 16, 2011, 02:17:43 PM

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Thoughts and other ideas?

isnt it obvious? what banks and brokers do.
ranging from transaction numbers, transaction cards that dont have to be replaced, to devices that generate a transaction-specific authorization code.
257  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin malware on: June 16, 2011, 02:10:36 PM
looks like someone identified malware than steals your wallet.dat, with only few scanners detecting it:

http://www.virustotal.com/file-scan/report.html?id=c7976118f0a8e1b7046f49718b5f49933db582d72adf6d78e1d4efc043ec6377-1308227137
258  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are the stolen bitcoins currently being sold on mtgox? on: June 16, 2011, 01:44:04 PM
I don't think gox should block the trades, but if reasonable evidence can be given that they are in fact stolen he should hand over the bank account details when they are withdrawn.

if the thieve is smart this will never happen. he can sell and buy them using multiple anonymous Gox accounts and in the end his withdrawal can not be differentiated from a miner/trader because it isnt the same BTCs anymore.
but then again, thieves make mistakes.
259  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are the stolen bitcoins currently being sold on mtgox? on: June 16, 2011, 01:25:05 PM
I think from the blockchain it very much looks like they are sold, but there are also still large amounts unspent so it is doubtful this is limiting the price at 20.
but other amounts are split up in very arbitrary and sometimes very small amounts.

considering there is almost no bitcoin economy, either this is done by an exchange or the thief deliberately tries to make it look like an exchange.


if I was the victim I would provide Mt. Gox with a list of addresses and ask them to save the identity of outgoing transfers with these. so once the victim has provided proof to the police these can be obtained.
this has nothing to do with "killing freedom".
260  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Vegetables for Bitcoin! on: June 16, 2011, 01:17:10 PM
What about a laptop next to the veggies?  Smiley

what about some physical bitcoint payment method? is anyone working on that?


Such as this?

http://bitbills.com/

thanks for the link. though not exactly what I had in mind. these things would have to have similar security measures as cash do and be quite expensive because you have to destroy them each time they are spent.

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