Save me from being scammed by people like you who are disseminating harmful and malicious misinformation? Why should anybody give any credence to your words? You are a self proclaimed Iconomi troll. Further, reasonable investors are looking at it an thinking, what is the real value here, now? They buyback at these small levels does not produce scarcity... what is the upside. The real value is an asset whose market will have revenue injected into it periodically. No more worrying about whether or not speculative traders decide to buy and raise the price, there is now a guaranteed source of buy pressure. What would the upside have been of dividends worth fractions of a penny? Of course this initial buyback is at a small level, the dividends we would have received instead would have been laughably small too (1.2x10-4 dollars/ICN based on my calculations for the 1000 ETH), if things go well that will never be the case again in the future. But go ahead and sell now before platform is released and before the remaining investments are made into ICNp and the real revenue starts to come in lol. It's not as thought Iconomi is the first to choose buybacks over dividends, for christ sake do some research. For example: http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/021615/why-doesnt-berkshire-hathaway-pay-dividend.asp "Berkshire Hathaway maintains an aggressive stock buyback policy that puts cash directly into shareholders' pockets." lol research... dang, that is what I done when I invested in ICN i.e. the dividend was appealing, as I said. I did the math on that dividend you are talking about too and it was 0.00056914 cents at ETH's current price, which is not a lot, even if you hold 200k. The ETH return would have been this 0.00001149425. Now, for one second, imagine, if you can that the penny was not what you were interested in but the ETH dividend, which would have been 2.29 ETH, again not much today, on a per week basis, but you are not having to trade to make that crap, it is passive..... Heck, when I did the math on this crap in the beginning, I was expecting ETH to 120 dollars a coin by the coming summer. Honestly, the research thing still is amusing me... buybacks fail, you know. cough, GOPro, cough, and there are other examples of it not working, as you know since I bet you "research." Also, I freaking love that you picked Berkshire Hathaway since good old Warren Buffet got me thinking about this subject earlier this year.... But heck, I bet you "researched" the he!! out of this subject, you know buybacks... and the ICN team is totally not going to buy back stocks at the ATH of ICN, which would be insane... “The question of whether a repurchase action is value-enhancing or value-destroying for continuing shareholders is entirely purchase-price dependent,” http://blogs.wsj.com/cfo/2017/02/27/berkshire-hathaways-buffett-cautions-on-share-buybacks-as-repurchases-fall/No wait, you have convinced me... I should not think about the buyback since you used the word "research"... I get it the ICN team is basically Warren Buffet and he would not want investors to to think about value... he just buys stuff and it all works out.... Okay hunny come back later and see where the project is. You know, maybe save your criticism for when it isn't purely conjecture? Still think it is funny you apparently think Iconomi is willing to burn down their own house while sitting inside. But I'm sure they are just idiots and you are way more qualified than they are, so perhaps you should start your own project where you do issue dividends then? How about you put your money and your reputation on the line so that anonymous trolls can berate and criticize you every step along the way while you attempt to trail-blaze into uncharted financial territory. We will wait, I'm sure it will be a huge success since youareverysmart. My point is that you seem to know something none of the rest of us do not "hunny"... I assume it is not blind faith. If it does not strike you as the least bit odd they decided the dividends were not feasible, now? I have been buying the dips on the dividend assumption. You may call me a troll or "hunny", it still does not stop one from wondering what changed on their end. I do enjoy the fact that you think the creators of a company, with shareholders would not make bad decisions, again GoPro is a good recent example. I hope ICN succeeds... the strategy on making money on it though has changed since now it is clear the only way to make the "dividend" is to trade it, which is just more work... but you know that cause you are the smartest individual on the internet.... Also, nothing worrying about a buyback at the ATH of ICN for you, at all, that shows ballz or boobs of steel. Shame you didn't see me in slack voicing the same criticisms you are now only days earlier, I worried too at first but upon further reflection I have come to the conclusion these changes are positive and not negative (for the various reasons I have already outlined in response to you and Jim Carrey's The Mask). I don't think the team is infallible and never said so, my point is that they are not going to purposely damage their own image, business, and profits. It's not the fact you are acting like you know better than myself (you very well could) it's the fact you are acting like you know better than the entire Iconomi team that makes it seem like YOU are the one that has an inflated sense of intelligence- not me. Unless there is a good reason you consider yourself more qualified than they are? |
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You premise is wrong so what follows from that premise is wrong too. This round of dividends/buybacks is based solely on 1000 ETH they got from one investment into Golem. They still have millions left to invest into ICNP and ICNX and the platform haven't even been released yet, so you trying to act like this 1000 ETH is anyway representative of what they will be capable of earning in the future is a great example of how you are trying to spin things and leave out important details to misinform people. Thanks for making it blatantly obvious what your motive is here.
Clearly you didn't read the buyback blog post properly. I have no motive, other than to share my immortal wisdom. Do with it what you will. Anyway, I'm off to bed. I'll catch up with this circle jerk in the morning... if I haven't died from laughing at it. Oh yes we know you will be back, how long have you been trolling this thread now? |
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Save me from being scammed by people like you who are disseminating harmful and malicious misinformation? Why should anybody give any credence to your words? You are a self proclaimed Iconomi troll. Further, reasonable investors are looking at it an thinking, what is the real value here, now? They buyback at these small levels does not produce scarcity... what is the upside. The real value is an asset whose market will have revenue injected into it periodically. No more worrying about whether or not speculative traders decide to buy and raise the price, there is now a guaranteed source of buy pressure. What would the upside have been of dividends worth fractions of a penny? Of course this initial buyback is at a small level, the dividends we would have received instead would have been laughably small too (1.2x10-4 dollars/ICN based on my calculations for the 1000 ETH), if things go well that will never be the case again in the future. But go ahead and sell now before platform is released and before the remaining investments are made into ICNp and the real revenue starts to come in lol. It's not as thought Iconomi is the first to choose buybacks over dividends, for christ sake do some research. For example: http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/021615/why-doesnt-berkshire-hathaway-pay-dividend.asp "Berkshire Hathaway maintains an aggressive stock buyback policy that puts cash directly into shareholders' pockets." lol research... dang, that is what I done when I invested in ICN i.e. the dividend was appealing, as I said. I did the math on that dividend you are talking about too and it was 0.00056914 cents at ETH's current price, which is not a lot, even if you hold 200k. The ETH return would have been this 0.00001149425. Now, for one second, imagine, if you can that the penny was not what you were interested in but the ETH dividend, which would have been 2.29 ETH, again not much today, on a per week basis, but you are not having to trade to make that crap, it is passive..... Heck, when I did the math on this crap in the beginning, I was expecting ETH to 120 dollars a coin by the coming summer. Honestly, the research thing still is amusing me... buybacks fail, you know. cough, GOPro, cough, and there are other examples of it not working, as you know since I bet you "research." Also, I freaking love that you picked Berkshire Hathaway since good old Warren Buffet got me thinking about this subject earlier this year.... But heck, I bet you "researched" the he!! out of this subject, you know buybacks... and the ICN team is totally not going to buy back stocks at the ATH of ICN, which would be insane... “The question of whether a repurchase action is value-enhancing or value-destroying for continuing shareholders is entirely purchase-price dependent,” http://blogs.wsj.com/cfo/2017/02/27/berkshire-hathaways-buffett-cautions-on-share-buybacks-as-repurchases-fall/No wait, you have convinced me... I should not think about the buyback since you used the word "research"... I get it the ICN team is basically Warren Buffet and he would not want investors to to think about value... he just buys stuff and it all works out.... Okay hunny come back later and see where the project is. You know, maybe save your criticism for when it isn't purely conjecture? Still think it is funny you apparently think Iconomi is willing to burn down their own house while sitting inside. But I'm sure they are just idiots and you are way more qualified than they are, so perhaps you should start your own project where you do issue dividends? How about you put your money and your reputation on the line so that anonymous trolls can berate and criticize you every step along the way while you attempt to trail-blaze into uncharted financial territory. Even though the path isn't lit be sure not to slip up even once or else the sharks will get you. Also don't you dare experiment with different approaches to address pressing legal/regulatory issues- adapting is for idiots! We will wait, I'm sure it will be a huge success since youareverysmart. |
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Save me from being scammed by people like you who are disseminating harmful and malicious misinformation? Why should anybody give any credence to your words? You are a self proclaimed Iconomi troll. Further, reasonable investors are looking at it an thinking, what is the real value here, now? They buyback at these small levels does not produce scarcity... what is the upside. The real value is an asset whose market will have revenue injected into it periodically. No more worrying about whether or not speculative traders decide to buy and raise the price, there is now a guaranteed source of buy pressure. What would the upside have been of dividends worth fractions of a penny? Of course this initial buyback is at a small level, the dividends we would have received instead would have been laughably small too (1.2x10-4 dollars/ICN based on my calculations for the 1000 ETH), if things go well that will never be the case again in the future. But go ahead and sell now before the platform is released and before the remaining millions of dollars of investments are made into ICNP and the real revenue starts to come in lol. It's not as though Iconomi is the first to choose buybacks over dividends, for christ sake do some research. For example: http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/021615/why-doesnt-berkshire-hathaway-pay-dividend.asp "Berkshire Hathaway maintains an aggressive stock buyback policy that puts cash directly into shareholders' pockets." And let's consider the fact that the Iconomi team holds, what, 13% stake in ICN? So you think they are going to purposely do something that will harm their own profits/revenue from that stake? YEAH, that makes A LOT of sense. We don't even have to trust the Iconomi team as long as we trust that they have their own self-interest in mind. This is why it is important for companies to have a vested interest in their own success. So basically what you're saying is that Iconomi were never going to be capable of earning enough money to make dividends appealing, right? You premise is wrong so what follows from that premise is wrong too. This round of dividends/buybacks is based solely on 1000 ETH they got from one investment into Golem. They still have millions left to invest into ICNP while ICNX and the platform haven't even been released yet, so you trying to act like this 1000 ETH is anyway representative of what they will be capable of earning in the future is a great example of how you are trying to spin things and leave out important details to misinform people and support your own narrative. Thanks for making it blatantly obvious what your motive is here. |
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Save me from being scammed by people like you who are disseminating harmful and malicious misinformation? Why should anybody give any credence to your words? You are a self proclaimed Iconomi troll. Further, reasonable investors are looking at it an thinking, what is the real value here, now? They buyback at these small levels does not produce scarcity... what is the upside. The real value is an asset whose market will have revenue injected into it periodically. No more worrying about whether or not speculative traders decide to buy and raise the price, there is now a guaranteed source of buy pressure. What would the upside have been of dividends worth fractions of a penny? Of course this initial buyback is at a small level, the dividends we would have received instead would have been laughably small too (1.2x10-4 dollars/ICN based on my calculations for the 1000 ETH), if things go well that will never be the case again in the future. But go ahead and sell now before the platform is released and before the remaining millions of dollars of investments are made into ICNP and the real revenue starts to come in lol. It's not as though Iconomi is the first to choose buybacks over dividends, for christ sake do some research. For example: http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/021615/why-doesnt-berkshire-hathaway-pay-dividend.asp "Berkshire Hathaway maintains an aggressive stock buyback policy that puts cash directly into shareholders' pockets." And let's consider the fact that the Iconomi team holds, what, 13% stake in ICN? So you think they are going to purposely do something that will harm their own profits/revenue from that stake? YEAH, that makes A LOT of sense. We don't even have to trust the Iconomi team as long as we trust that they have their own self-interest in mind. This is why it is important for companies to have a vested interest in their own success. |
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Save me from being scammed by people like you who are disseminating harmful and malicious misinformation? Why should anybody give any credence to your words? You are a self proclaimed Iconomi troll. |
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So why are you here if you've already sold? Just to scare other people into selling? You're full of shit and haven't given a single legitimate reason as to why this was a poor decision on their part. Just pathetic appeals to emotion. I can give you multiple fundamental reasons as to why it is a good decision:
No more wasting money on ETH gas to send out dividends
No more legal and tax issues associated with dividends
No more having to worry about exchanges receiving the bulk of the dividends due to people storing their ICN on exchanges that don't offer dividends to their customers
No more being limited from being traded on exchanges that don't want to list divided issuing tokens due to tighter regulations and scrutiny
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Uhh anybody know what those new icons are below our names? Dash adherent? I've never even considered buying dash. Stratis ambassador? I've also never been involved in stratis...
It's an April Fool's thing. This is why you need people like me. Because what is obvious to me, clearly eludes the fools  It's not April 1st where I am so it didn't occur to me. Silly me for forgetting about a joke of a holiday and asking a simple question. Yeah clearly you are so insightful... hence your inability to understand the legal and regulatory benefits of doing away with dividends. I'm guessing you aren't in the US? Or the benefits would be obvious. |
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Uhh anybody know what those new icons are below our names? Dash adherent? I've never even considered buying dash. Stratis ambassador? I've also never been involved in stratis...
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i think you will not happy even they provide the transaction id.  then i bet you will say it's insider buying for sure.   oh i think you can ask their exchange partners to offer the proof. personally i do not think any exchange will fake any BTC or ETH, because they have to pay if they fake it. but i know what you will say Stop making stupid excuses and just show the proof. If you can't the only reason is because there is none and the ICO was a failure. |
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This has to have been the most unnecessarily convoluted and messy bounty campaign distribution in the history of all bounty campaign distributions. Does not inspire confidence tbh.
I'm sure this has been answered many times so I appologize but I can't find the answer in any of the obvious places. How many time tokens are people supposed to receive per signature campaign stake?
found the answer to this in one of chronobank_support's previous posts, the answer is 4.5 stakes = 1.34 time for those that are curious (maybe this info should be added to the OP?).
Also, I have been receiving the newsletter at the email I signed up for the ICO with but am not sure if I remember to register for the newsletter bounty by submitting the application. Is there someway to check if I had signed up for the newsletter bounty?
Thanks in advance.
Edit: I also just noticed I used the same eth address that I used for the ICO for my signature bounty, I don't understand why this isn't okay or why this wasn't explicity warned against in the message with directions I received from Ahmed about collecting the sig bounty, but is there anyway for me to correct this now? And what is the reason for why we can't use the same address in the first place? The same address used in the ICO is being used for the newsletter bounty, no?
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increasingly cornered to the OP, where ico Qtum can be raised over $ 10 million, is a crowdsale explosion that occurred in mid-semester. although there is drama in the team Qtum, but raise more than $ 10 million is a pride by the team Qtum.
where's the proof of 10m? worst try to shill here bro. maybe you can see here, not exactly 10m, but 10k btc and 60k eth,it's worth $ 12m. and made me even more interested in roadmap to wait until next year. Lmao that is not proof whatsoever. That's their own website, they can say whatever they want. How gullible/stupid are you? You do realize one of the key advantages of a blockchain is that you can verify transactions without having to trust a 3rd party, right? Lol. How has this very key concept been lost on you? If they have the funds all they have to do (and all they can do) to prove that is to share tx ids or addresses for them, but they still haven't done that despite people asking for proof since the end of the ICO (really nobody should have to ask in the first place). In otherwords, they didn't raise the funds they are claiming to have raised. Not much of a suprised considering the project was exposed for being run by a known previous scammer (Dai) along with numerous other shady aspects to the project/ICO. Only a fool would trust them with their money. I hope for your sake you didn't fall for that and give them your money. |
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Actually before I invest, quick question: is this open to US citizens? Sorry, I'm sure this is answered elsewhere.
Nope , it is not open for US citizen . This is really not good and discriminatory.. maybe they are avoiding some US state laws that can jeopardize their future operations. Who knows? Welp nvm I won't be investing  Should have known this was the case since US citizens can't buy ICNX either. And it is not purposely discriminatory, they can't help it if the SEC prohibits them from catering to US citizens so don't try to spin it as though it means something it doesn't. They have no choice but to abide by the law. |
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Actually before I invest, quick question: is this open to US citizens? Sorry, I'm sure this is answered elsewhere.
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Just invested some of my (still overpriced) DASH into this. Looks very promising. Love the closed model with 25% auto-growth. Wow, incredible potential imo. I hope TaaS will be fair and not screw over their investors like it was done with ICONOMI: https://steemit.com/iconomi/@ash/iconomi-net-ico-white-paperI'm just making a note of this so that when ICN explodes in value I can come find you and rub it in your face. They are adapting to fit within the legal/regulatory environment and to anybody with brains that is a good thing- they are literally trail blazing into uncharted territory and apparently you think it would be better if they aren't able or willing to adapt to problems as they arise. They had a map of where they wanted to go and how to get there from the very beginning, but even though they find there is a boulder blocking the path during their journey you don't think they should update the map or readjust their path to reflect that. Real smart... Anyways, I'm also investing a bit in TaaS because in addition to understanding the value in being adaptive to a new and changing environment I understand the value in diversification and also that this is not a zero-sum-game and that both projects can succeed (they aren't even that similar, Iconomi is making a DAMP and a few indexes of their own while TaaS is a CEF). |
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I keep reading through all these press releases hoping to the see the simple proof of the ICO funds but it is never there. It is always just the same exact thing over and over again. You would think that with that much time on your hands to post press releases here that you would have time to post simple tx ids or wallet addresses for the ICO funds to prove they exist. How many times will everybody have to ask? You won't even attempt to reply with an excuse, because you know there is no valid excuse for not sharing the proof. You had time to answer this question which has already been answered multiple times: Qtum, when we can trade the tokens?
The main network launches in September, which will allow participants to withdraw their tokens from the exchanges. It took your forever but you even finally responded to loracle's questions (although you still haven't given them an answer or fixed the problem lol): The https://qtum.bizhongchou.com dashboard is still unavailable for me ! Is there anyone else with this error ? Sorry, that email address is already used!
ERROR: Couldn’t register you in wordpress... please contact the webmaster !
Can you look into the log-in problem on the ICO dashboard please ? Cheers !
This is for Bizhongchou? We will contact them right now. Wtf is this ?? I can't login to the ico dashboard anymore is there anyone which isn't a bot here wtf
The question about proof of funds is simple to answer, it would only take a few moments, but you only answer the questions you can while ignoring the ones you can't answer without incriminating yourself. You're so full of shit people can smell it before even clicking on the thread.
Oh and @BTCspace do you really find it necessary to repost the same exact article that is literally still at the top of this same exact page? Not only did you repost it once, you literally reposted the same exact article twice on the same exact page that still has the original at the top I think you ought to start pacing yourself mate otherwise even stackoverflow is going to feel compelled to start calling you the shill that you are edit: I see BTCspace took my advice and deleted his consecutive reposts, either that or a mod did. |
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ICN is going to hit $1 this week! I actually think its smart that they are buying back. Dividends have all sorts of weird tax implications with it, esp with something like cryptocurrency.
Yes, I think without the dividend structure the legal issues, especially for U.S investors, has been minimized if not eradicated. This is why many think ICN will soon be listed on Polo. Sure seems like it ought to be listed, I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't now? |
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Burning token rather than dividends, I understand this circumvent the legality of
paying dividends.
Burning, hmmm.. how does this work and how do we know these tokens are out
of circulation.
Anyone like to give their two penny worth?
This should hopefully answer some of your questions: https://medium.com/iconominet/iconomi-introduces-repayment-programme-54bfa449d458 In addition to what MoveCrypto replied: Jani said they will send them to a burn smart contract. Because once EIP 156 is implemented, people will be able to re-claim their "stuck" tokens from burn addresses such as this one: 0x0000000000000000000000000000000000000000 https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/issues/156 |
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You sold yesterday didn't you? Sorry for your loss (not actually sorry, actually quite happy when rude traders like you who try to use FUD and hype to manipulate the market get burned). If you think you can drive the price back down now with your comments, you are mistaken and also a huge gaping asshole What loss ? You are delusional. I made 5x since ICO and still have enough to keep trading, don't worry about me. So when I have a different opinion means I am using FUD to manipulate ... when the devs are basically lying and keep "changing" their minds ... all its ok ... right? I don't have to comment to bring the price down ... the price comes down on its own ... its natural, especially when the devs are not here to consult with the community and keep doing all kind of funny moves. Remember the poor delusional kids that bought at 50k last time jumping around dreaming about the moon ? Then price got to 25k or lower ... ? Sure, delusional kids keep insisting the t it was because of the FUD, not because the devs are just not working in a transparent way. So chill ... I am too little to manipulate the price ... I am just irritated about the delusional believers. I am a trader. Sold last time when got near 50k, bought back at 26k, sold some now at 50k again ... what is the relevance?
Gee I wonder why you are in here talking shit. It would seem that the market does not agree with your sentiment about this development, you can't argue against the market and guess what quite frankly nobody gives a shit about your singular opinion. Read again stupid cunt ... there is a key word there "sold some" ... If I were talking shit maybe you would be capable of arguing against ... with arguments. I am not arguing with the market. Or maybe you feel you are the market ? As I mentioned above ... delusional. Sorry again for your loss it'd probably be wise not to trade in such an emotional state in the future. Lol I don't need to try to counter your "arguments" countless people have already done this to no avail, it's hard to argue logic against emotion. If you can't wrap your head around this change, why it was done, and why it is a good thing after multiple people have hand fed you the reasons that's nobody's problem but your own. Everytime you sell you come in here with negativity, and then that negativity suddenly ends without any apparent reason (when you buy back in), if you think people can't see your motive behind that you are a delusional fool. |
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Gleb Krampus' usual nonsense and vulgarity.
Everyone should believe this troll, and dismiss the respected media outlets! All your team has to do is post the indisputable proof of the funds on the blockchain, as every other crypto project does to provide the most base level of transparency and to prove its naysayers wrong. It's SO EASY. The fact you guys aren't doing it speaks volumes. Plus we all know how much you guys despise Gleb, you expect us to believe you wouldn't prove him wrong in a heartbeat if you could? Remember, your own words: "the burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies" Qtum declared a successful ICO, we are just denying it Perhaps you should adhere to your own words for once, maybe then people would actually listen to what you have to say and not immediately see it as just a lie from a shill. |
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