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241  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes on: March 03, 2023, 06:19:58 PM
Odds are basically predictions. Odds represent probability. So there's really nothing special about AI predictions aside perhaps from the possibility that all the pieces of information fed to it will definitely be made use. Human odds makers could forget or miss a factor or two.

In fact, it is possible that AI's prediction is of lesser accuracy than odds makers' predictions. I am doubting if everything that should be taken into consideration in creating odds could be appreciated by AI. Things like the level of chemistry among players or their comfort playing with each other might not be understood by AI if it hasn't encountered it yet.
I would agree that some oddmakers could miss a thing or two, but not tens of thousands of gamblers, in fact call it over a million people in most bets. And since they all calculate together, when you look at everyone who wagers, eventually every single data is covered, if I miss X but not miss Y, and you miss X but not miss Y, then we together miss nothing.

Why does this matter as gamblers? Because we will end up betting accordingly and then oddmakers will change it based on our bets as well, which will be the odds. So all in all, odds are already telling us what we need to know, and no AI could ever do anything better than that ever, not even with all the data we can feed it.
242  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2022/23 Season on: March 03, 2023, 11:00:31 AM
But Sevilla is not among the favorites for the win as of now. They are a team that plays well at tournaments and that could help them, but if they are up against Manchester United or Arsenal London, it is hard to believe that they could win it. If they reach the final I would be more optimistic as it is a single game situation. But in a two game competition I don't think they can win it.
Sevilla will face Fenerbache in the 16th round and in the league the performances of the two teams are very different, Sevilla have lost more got 10 defeated, so their position in the league is quite bad, there is 14, while Fenerbache is in 2nd place in their domestic league, but bookmakers still have more favorite Sevilla in the first leg later maybe because of the host factor so Sevilla got lower odds, but if Sevilla can go to the next round and face a stronger team Sevilla might not survive in this competition and get eliminated, two clubs from the English premier league are very favorite especially after Barca was eliminated and there Juventus which also cannot be underestimated.
I think it is more about the difficulty difference between the leagues. Being 10th in la liga is still seen as better than being second in the Turkish league. And you have to consider two questions when you are betting on this game "which place Sevilla would be if they played in Turkish league?" and "Which place Fenerbahce would be if they played in La liga".

It is easy to say Fenerbahce wouldn't be second in la liga right? It is Barcelona and real there, so we know it would be worse, but would it be 10th? I would say probably so, maybe ever worse, but I can't say that Sevilla would have been able to be second in Turkish league that easily neither, they do not look that great.
243  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes on: March 02, 2023, 08:41:46 PM
Maybe we don't expect to see AI predicting matches but if that's the case in the future, we can't do anything about it and can only accept it. After all, today's AI technology is not as perfect as desired, so the parties involved still have to work harder to achieve the desired results. Maybe later, AI will provide the probability of opportunities that a competing team can obtain, and it will be up to us how we can choose the team.

Meanwhile, collecting more valid data may still need us because we are the ones who will choose the stakes.
Probability is already there right now, go check on google and it will show you the probability of which team to win that game as well, and if you check the "odds" that's actually what people are wagering on. The odds are adjusted constantly based on how much is wagered on a team, and that means if you wager a lot then the odd will fall, and that's how it all works.

I believe that it is not going to change much in the world of gambling, AI is something that learns from us anyway, it's machine learning, and we teach it all this stuff, all that data it gets is from us, if we feed wrong information then it would be wrong, so it is really not a big deal to me, and can't be that great in the future.
244  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2022/2023 on: March 02, 2023, 02:41:20 PM
although the Saudi Professional League is not as strict as the big leagues in Europe. Ronaldo certainly can provide traction for other players to show their quality.
when there are players with a higher level of play, it will also make other players to catch up. so this is a good motivation for players in the Asian League. especially the Saudi League.
Ronaldo played 5 times in the league, and scored 8 goals. very short which makes him ranked 4th in the current top score list. all players have to increase their game level to compete. otherwise there will be more European players who eventually replace local players.
I think it shouldn't be getting younger players to show themselves, I think it should be older players who could get paid more here than anywhere else. I do not know what the foreign player rule is, like if they can have all 11 players as foreign players or not, and I wouldn't be able to say how, but if they could get some 35 years old or older players that has been superstars at one point, like Ramos or Di Maria or even Neuer if Bayern gets another Goalkeeper to be fair, if not then maybe Navas.

These are all old players that could be great for them in the end and I highly suggest they get at least 3 more players at that age, and some domestic players along with paying huge sum for some talented younger players.
245  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: March 02, 2023, 01:56:02 PM
It is weird how Reis turned Schalke into a team with such a strong defense. That is a riddle to me. They started with 1:10 goals after the winter break and everybody thought that this is going the same way it ended before the World Cup started. If they keep going like this even with their draws they will have a chance. A chance which nobody thought they could get close to this season.

Hoffenheim is in a free fall and Bochum are back to losing many games as well after they recovered for a short time. For Leverkusen and Hertha these upcoming games are also essential way markers for the rest of the season. If Wolfsburg loses they can at least temporarily stop dreaming of the Europa League and Leverkusen, in case they are losing, should take care of not getting even lower.
Well, if they didn't had such a terrible start, they could have been out of the relegation zone by now, and they do not have a great roster so they are playing pretty defensively right now and park the bus all game. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't really expect much from them, it is going to end up being a bit of a tough deal in the end.

I expect the situation to calm down a bit and they will get back to losing again, and they will actually be relegated anyway. However, if they end up being this good for a while longer and somehow manage to stay up, I think next season could be even better for them with some additional players they could have.
246  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is trading good for beginners? on: March 01, 2023, 09:03:20 PM
You don't have to be the best trader to start trading. Right?
You have to know how to trade and where to trade. I am not talking about bot trading here. I don't suggest bot trading as it won't help you to learn trades. I do not agree that you must lose your money to learn to trade, and it will teach you the best lesson. If you are a billionaire, that's a different case. But, On an online platform, You shouldn't suggest such things.

Surely demo balance and demo trades help newbies how to do it. Even some casinos offer demo tokens to test their games. Some of them offer faucets for their games. Did you see when a new medicine invent, researchers never test them on a human at the beginning? They try it on other animals first. You don't have to lose to learn something. I respect your opinion. But, I don't agree with you.
I think you do not have to be the best trader to start, nor you would need a bot to trade, or you MUST lose money, those are all very true. However, you also can't start (or shouldn't) when you have absolutely no idea, you should study and learn a bit before you do anything, a month or two with some courses and demo trading would definitely help you, you won't be the best but you won't be the worst neither.

And about losing money, when you trade, you will always end up losing eventually, when you are a newbie you lose more frequently than veterans, that is just a fact and we can pull data from newbie traders on exchanges versus veterans and can see that. It's better learn from them at least.
247  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling is Neither Good or Bad on: March 01, 2023, 03:16:15 PM
People losing 5 or 6 houses is the exception, not something that is widespread. And they had all those houses to begin with, which means they were rich, people usually have a house half paid for. It is normal to lose more than expected at a much lower level. On the rest of what you say, I agree, and also with the general statement of the thread. It is neither good nor bad, just like a knife. You can use it to entertain yourself like most people do and walk away with some extra cash from time to time.

The problem is when people put too much hope in something where the odds are against them.
It is exception but it does exists unfortunately. I have a friend whose father is a rich politician, and to be fair I kind of not feel sorry for him too much because it is corruption that got him that much houses, but he lost 11 houses over course of 5-6 years when he went to gambling, and that is why I feel like it is still possible to lose that much. People who can't control themselves while gambling is the bread and butter of this industry.

If everyone was like us who could control themselves, and limit their budget, then it wouldn't really make any sense to run a casino since casinos wouldn't be making too much profit. But when there are these type of people who lose everything, they start to make some serious profit.
248  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: March 01, 2023, 01:53:09 PM
Here is something that causes controversy and that can leave PSG in a bad light:

Report: PSG president Nasser Al-Khelaifi under investigation for kidnap and torture



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The Ligue 1 club's president is being accused of detaining man who allegedly acquired sex tapes and documents in relation to the 2022 World Cup.

The president of Paris Saint-Germain football club, Nasser Al-Khelaifi, is facing an investigation in France over allegations of kidnapping and torture. The case relates to a complaint made by Franco-Algerian lobbyist, Tayeb Benabderrahmane, who claims he was detained in Qatar for six months in 2020 because he possessed "sensitive" documents, including a smartphone belonging to Mr Al-Khelaifi, and compromising materials.

It is alleged that Mr Benabderrahmane had documents relating to the awarding of the 2022 World Cup to Qatar, as well as the awarding of the 2026 and 2030 World Cup TV rights to beIN Media, of which Mr Al-Khelaifi is president. The lobbyist claims he obtained the materials from Mr Al-Khelaifi's butler.

Source: https://www.livesoccertv.com/es/news/464180/report-psg-president-nasser-al-khelaifi-under-investigation-for-kidnap-and-torture/

Although sometimes everything can be set up to make certain people feel bad, it is a pity that problems of this nature always arise that tarnish fútbol.
I am 100% certain that certain rich people at the very top probably all have these type of tapes. In fact, when panama papers and similar things came about, where we have seen the clear corruption of the rich people, people who avoided taxes in billions of dollars, and even sex tape of so many famous people, it literally did nothing for their career at all.

I understand that you may want to hide all of this information, it's only natural to want to hide it, but when once it's out, you would just need to take it and move on, in a year it will be all gone anyway and wouldn't really matter. This response to just kidnap and torture a person in retaliation? That's sick, it's disgusting and the owner should be banned from being an owner straight up, how can we support a person who kidnapped another person and tortured him to keep being an owner?
249  Economy / Economics / Re: Money is for the important things on: February 28, 2023, 08:14:03 PM
While you are still building your personal finances in a sustainable way, it's important to keep focused in spending money only with what really is necessary, thinking on your long term goals, so once you achieve it, you can start spending your money with superfluous things, like branded clothes, acessories, restaurants and travels without worring if you are going to have money later for your basic needs.

For everything there is a right time in life and I believe if we respect it, we can enjoy the fruits and rewards that reach to us gradually.
That depends on your income though. If you have a good enough income that you could spend less and less, while your income stays big and you could save a good amount to bitcoin, then you are definitely right and there is no issues about that.

However, if you end up with something a bit worse, something that will make you lose a lot more money, then it wouldn't really make sense to invest in that regard, like lets say you are making lower than you should and even your income is not enough, in that case you can't invest. I personally invest 10-20% of my salary into bitcoin every single month, sometimes I fail like this month, but usually I do, and that's how I like to keep it forever.
250  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🎲BetFury.io|🎉BetFury Affiliate Program is live| 💸Earn with RevShare up to 60% on: February 28, 2023, 05:20:40 PM
Interesting, I tend to not have a lot of luck on the slots so I just mine my tokens by playing the inhouse games on the lowest risk. But I always go from game to game: Dice, Limbo, Spacedice, Keno, Plinko,…
I think it is still worth the wait, I would also like to know the plan for the future or a new roadmap, but receiving the daily dividends is still nice.
From my experience i won way more often from house games than slots, but as in slots you don't get to set the difficulty levels, they sometimes hit and when they hit it's months worth of gambling in one win. I really don't except to win big with house games, and it kinda sucks when you have to set up your own risk level if you want to win big.
I agree with this a lot. I am not really a big slots player but I know someone who is one, and they end up gambling on slots with a huge volatility, sometimes they get nothing, but sometimes they can make as much as 5000x return as well, it's a weird play.

I like to gamble knowing the odds that I gamble, so stuff like roulette, dice, sports, all those matter to me because I know what I gambling and I know what I am doing, and I know the odds of me winning or not. Slots do not give you that, you could wager and get nothing back, half your money back, all your money back, double your money, quadrable, 10x your money or anything else, it's unknown, you have no idea, same with plinko too.
251  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2022/23 on: February 28, 2023, 01:29:18 PM
Real Madrid most likely lose La Liga to Barcelona so they will more likely concentrate to beat Barcelona in Coppa del Rey. They also have Champions League to fight and it's reasonable to give up in La Liga and reserve energy of their players for more achievable targets like Coppa del Rey and Champions League.
I don't think so, despite Barcelona have eliminated at all Europe competition but head to head record both team Real Madrid always dominance on every el clasico match. Honestly Real Madrid have busy match after facing Barcelona on first leg of Copa del rey and three days later against Real Betis in La Liga before facing Liverpool on second leg. I believe Carlo Ancelotti will full team against Barcelona because Copa Del Rey seems important have to collect this season.

Realistic with Barcelona achievement copa del rey target after losing compete in Europe League and La Liga still possibility to be winner in this season regarding 7 points behind Real Madrid.
How long are we looking? I mean last season Barcelona won 4-0 and yet they lost the league and Real got the league, this season Real won but Barcelona is leading. Are we looking historically? Because Barcelona won more than Real, which should be pretty obvious that they are better historically in that case, or we could just look at the recent games both teams played and make a calculation based on that?

I would say that whenever it is about el classico, it is not going to be a simple solution, anything could happen, nobody expected barça to win 4-0 on their worst season, and yet they did, those type of unexcepted stuff could happen in el classico in any game.
252  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: African government against or for crypto?? on: February 28, 2023, 09:29:56 AM
I think it doesn't really matter if the government like bitcoin or not. The most important thing is that it helps people and people will be using it no matter what. So I think the adoption of bitcoin will be getting bigger no matter what the government is thinking. And in the end, bitcoin is created to take away our freedoms from the government and make a revolution. The best way the government can help is not to slow down adoption.
There is also a situation where governments are elected via elections, which means that they need votes, you can be the greatest government the world has ever seen, but if people do not vote you then you will be ousted on next election. So, what does that tells us? They could change their point about bitcoin depending on what people say, if enough people say it's bad, then they will ban it, if enough people say it's good then will make it legal.

It is all about votes that they could get and what they do will bring in how many votes. My nation did that for example, government didn't like it, people protested, now they made it legal and can be used very easily.
253  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is trading good for beginners? on: February 27, 2023, 07:21:50 PM
If an investor who enters the crypto trading industry does not know of it, he only has capital, he is called a "Gambler" not a trader. He just depends on luck to earn the amount of money he will use. That means he can do that, but the risk is high because the investor is gambling with his investment.

    Apart from that, he also knows in himself that there is also a high possibility that he will lose his investment in crypto trading. Then he should not have regrets about losing his capital because most cryptocurrencies are volatile.
There are plenty of people who could be considered gamblers in the crypto world, and I mean literally tens of thousands of people if not more. Because, they both put in money that they can't afford to lose, which is already gambling because if you lose it then you are screwed, but also they do not study how to trade and then they end up losing money that way as well.

Both of these makes you a gambler and not a trader and yet unfortunately there are tons of people who do not make any type of changes at all. I believe that we shouldn't be focusing on something this small, it really doesn't make any sense to me at all to gamble this way when you can do it normally.
254  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Do You trust Tether (USDT) Stablecoin? on: February 27, 2023, 05:34:08 PM
I don't think everyone trust USDT. But a lot are still using USDT, that I know of.
I, for one, don't trust USDT to hold it long-term, only for trading purposes.
Way back in 2019, they admitted that they are not fully backed with assets.
From that time, I doubt about their claims up until now. Who can attest that they do have actual assets in place.
We are talking billions and billions of USDT here. And the audits, how honest they are with their results?
I think the main reason we still use it even though we do not trust it that much is the fact that it is not going to be something simple to just stop using it. I mean the trust may not be there, but the utility is there which means that plenty of people will have to use it without wanting to.

If there was a better alternative that we could trust, something that is viable and available everywhere, then we would switch to that for sure but unfortunately that didn't happen and that's the issue. I believe that we couldn't really do something about it just yet, but when the time comes a better alternative will come out eventually for everyone.
255  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season on: February 27, 2023, 04:28:45 PM
Best position that could happen to Bayern. Beating Union Berlin and then seeing Dortmund play against Leipzig next. If anything is going to make this season interesting, Dortmund must win this game I guess.

I thought that Union Berlin is a hard nut to crack, but in this game Bayern was just superior.

For now it comes down to Dortmund.
Dortmund has been playing well enough that they could beat Leipzig as well, of course there is no guarantee, as I always say even Bayern could lose to Schalke and we shouldn't be shocked because we have been experiencing like this many times.

But, if Dortmund and Bayern keeps winning for a few more games and they basically get away from everyone and be the top two clearly? That should give a ton of viewing pleasure, in fact even if they end up losing, the fact that teams are close to each other says a lot about the league. It's not Bayerns league that they dominate anymore, it's close to each other and a few losses could see you drop as further as out of UCL, so everyone including Bayern should be careful.
256  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: February 26, 2023, 07:49:49 PM
Bayern Munich has made a slight mess of it at the moment. But we can also say that other teams have closed the gap with Bayern more. We have to take teams like Union Berlin seriously if you look at the results they have achieved in recent weeks. This can still be a big and difficult job for Bayern Munich, possibly that they will not even become champions of Germany. I would like to know what Bayern's odds are now to become champions.
I definitely agree that Bayern may not be playing amazingly, but other teams are getting better is the right answer. Like when was the last time Dortmund or even Union Berlin played this well? Union Berlin was 5th last year, 7th before that and 11th before that. They got a momentum and got better basically every single year so far and this year it looks like at worst they will be third, a very good improvement trajectory, wouldn't be shocked if they end up winning next year if they keep this improvement going.

This shows that Bayern is not at their top level this season, but also other teams are getting better which made them a lot closer than Bayern would have wanted.
257  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: February 26, 2023, 02:41:46 PM
Napoli is playing an amazing season. There is no need to think twice when they have a two goal lead. The game is over and they will patiently take it home. This is what they did this time and what they will do next time.
Napoli are just waiting for the end of this season, because there is no chance for other clubs to catch up, because Napoli have had the upper hand in several matches that Napoli has played, always showing positive values ​​and always winning over their opponents, Napoli ended this season well even though they are still  running, but the Serie A League has already appointed who will come out as Champion this season, so this will be the championship that the people of Napoli have been waiting for.
I think it's already on offices and not on the field part of the club. What I mean is that they are probably trying to find which of their players could be sold for how much, and for that much money who they could get.

To be fair you could spend 10-20 million euro and get a good striker, not an amazing one but good enough, and for 100 million you could build a team for Serie A that could be going to UCL (top 4 I think) and that is what they will get, more than that money. So right now, they are basically calling up every team and learning what's the offer for their players and calling other teams to learn who they could get for cheaper and all that, because this year is already over.
258  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: February 25, 2023, 08:59:48 PM
another piece of news from stupid owner. It seems like todd wants to see his own club to be relegated to the championship league. I don't know how chelsea's director was not even feeling frustated with its club after very poor performance under potter?
Chelsea was always getting lose against another team while another big clubs were starting to wake up from their sleeps. Todd needs to take a harsh decision to sack him. Potter was still an amateur coach and he needs to get more experience in the low tier club.

He is not having any capabilities to handle the big club with so many problems like that. I think that the result gonna be different if it was the special one.
That MUST be just saving face in front of the media, and then sacking him behind closed doors. No way that they would allow Porter to keep on managing after such a horrible season, there is no way that they should, it would be beyond logical for them to let him manage the club.

I get that it is not going to be easy to replace him right now, so they can keep him until end of the season, but by the end of the season they should stop spending another half a billion on new players, and focus on who they can get as their manager. Pep might be available if City gets punished, and with that they can definitely build a team that can win the title in a few years.
259  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🎲BetFury.io|🎉BetFury Affiliate Program is live| 💸Earn with RevShare up to 60% on: February 25, 2023, 08:24:29 PM
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Faucet is meant only to try the casino feature and not as a source of profit. User that staying on the casino for this kind of mere bonuses usually doesn’t play at all just and just leeching the casino.
Yeah i find this a difficult concept. I definitely see it as a source of profit because what would be other reasons any site would have have it? What's the difference of being a feature and source of income?
People wouldn't use faucets as source of income years ago even though they paid good money in these days standard.

I only see it being abused when it's done by bots, not by poor users clicking it daily.
You are underestimating how much money is required in many low income nations. I have heard of nations where you can live with 30-40 dollars a month, not a good living, but survive nevertheless, and that's an important part of why we are seeing these people.

I am not saying these are not bots, of course it's mostly bots, but I have seen people who farm these things, like 10+ different phones, and 10+ different faucets they could use, or any other free coin giving thing, and they would do it everyday like it's a job and would make like maybe 100 bucks a month from it, which is good enough to live a above poverty level life. So it's really sad, but it's unfortunately true that some of it could be humans.
260  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin and no downtime till now in 11 years on: February 24, 2023, 08:58:04 PM
Litecoin was a coin that was highly regarded years ago but it has lost the attractiveness that it used to have to other altcoins.

Now it is still one of best coins we have but I do not see too much enthusiasm about it anymore, so it seems it is slowly losing influence and this is bad for litecoin, as in my experience when I buy something online dogecoin seems to be a more popular form of payment than litecoin at the moment and this means merchants are not in a rush to accept litecoin payments.
It may not be as strong as it used to be, but the fact that even after 11 years it is still one of the best, that means that it is actually quite strong. Not being as strong as it used to be and not being strong is not the same, it may lost some power, but it is still one of the most powerful ones out there. I believe that when the next bull run hits, it is going to get into top 20 and even get close to top 15 again.

Because while some others could lose hype, litecoin does not run on hype, it runs on fundamental community that has been around for a long time, and it doesn't require people to pump it, people already like it as what it is currently.
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