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Update on usage:
I have managed to sync the entire blockchain from scratch, but my daemon log has stopped showing updates. Last height it reported was 25836, but my wallet reports the correct height at this time. Closing the wallet and re-opening it causes the log to display again.
The lack of green, yellow, red, blue, grey and white colored messages is something that I was getting accustomed to . . but with the bugs that are persistent (edit: the ones that they are working on debugging in source, not your program) maybe it's best that the colors aren't used for end-users? Someone should make a decision here, because I don't know . . just pointing that out.
GUI to GUI transfer works.
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Cross-posting feedback . . . I tested it. It seems to be working. It needs bitmonerod.exe and simplewallet.exe at the same folder as the GUI wallet or it crashes. If clause should be added to check if the executables are there and inform the user instead of crashing. I think an "Advanced" tab should be added where you can send your own commands to the wallet and the daemon, because in the current version you can't tell the daemon to start mining. There could be a checkbox in the "wallet log" and "miner log" to make the wallet and bitmonerod windows visible instead of adding "advanced" tab or if advanced tab is added those options should be there also (message in red for the user not to close them if they are visible).
Nice! I'll crosspost the feedback in the GUI thread. I agree that it would be nice to have a check that all the executables are present instead of crashing, as I ran into the same issue when I left the config file out (to which I would suggest creating a standard config file in the same directory if it's not present). I wanted to try it on a different version of windows. I don't have 8, but do have vista. Also, would this work with 32 bit? I can try it on that as well. I'm about done doing what I can think of as far as usage goes, so I'll be moving onto the 3 other installs (if possible) then. I think an "Advanced" tab should be added where you can send your own commands to the wallet and the daemon, because in the current version you can't tell the daemon to start mining.
Advanced commands are good but there should be a simple check box to turn on and off mining, maybe with a setting for number of threads. |
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Hey emontmon, do you want to try out the nice new GUI with me? Feedback is critical now that Bitkoot has put something out. I'm pretty sure you were using windows, so please let me know? I can help you with it if you need help setting it up? I tested it. It seems to be working. It needs bitmonerod.exe and simplewallet.exe at the same folder as the GUI wallet or it crashes. If clause should be added to check if the executables are there and inform the user instead of crashing. I think an "Advanced" tab should be added where you can send your own commands to the wallet and the daemon, because in the current version you can't tell the daemon to start mining. There could be a checkbox in the "wallet log" and "miner log" to make the wallet and bitmonerod windows visible instead of adding "advanced" tab or if advanced tab is added those options should be there also (message in red for the user not to close them if they are visible). Nice! I'll crosspost the feedback in the GUI thread. I agree that it would be nice to have a check that all the executables are present instead of crashing, as I ran into the same issue when I left the config file out (to which I would suggest creating a standard config file in the same directory if it's not present). I wanted to try it on a different version of windows. I don't have 8, but do have vista. Also, would this work with 32 bit? I can try it on that as well. I'm about done doing what I can think of as far as usage goes, so I'll be moving onto the 3 other installs (if possible) then. |
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Hey emontmon, do you want to try out the nice new GUI with me? Feedback is critical now that Bitkoot has put something out. I'm pretty sure you were using windows, so please let me know? I can help you with it if you need help setting it up? |
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TheKoziTwo on IRC just announced he's beta testing an online exchange for MRO and BCN: Announcement: The monero exchange will be going online for beta testing today. Interested parties please send a pm. We expect to be open for beta testing within 1 hour.
I will be funding your accounts with virtual money to facilitate trading, balances will be reset after launch. I would help, but I'm testing out the GUI wallet that Bitkoot made in any way I can think of. If you want people, I'm here and can be done in an hour if you need me. |
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Awesome creation man!
I've put it to use in Windows 7 64 bit. Easy to use so far.
So far I've tested:
1. Wallet Creation - Works just fine, pre-existing blockchain used
2. Wallet Import - I can't use my original wallet, just the one that's created with this GUI
3. Copy to clipboard - works great
Next: I tested sending
4. Sending from original wallet daemon to your GUI on 2 different computers, successfully transfered .25 MRO from original daemon to GUI wallet, and then successfully transferred .24 MRO back to my daemon wallet. Sidenote: I had to delete the spaces introduced into the addresses because of posting it on btctalk. It copies no problem from a txt file to your GUI, but copying and pasting from btctalk I had to delete the space. Is there any way to get around this? Everything seems to be working great and displaying well on the functionality end, but is there any way to break up the "unconfirmed" and the actual amount, so that they can all be about the same font size?
5. New user experience: I deleted all of my existing Monero files and redownloaded the OP daemon files, and your GUI. I placed them in the same folder and successfully created a new wallet, and it's now updating the blockchain from day one. I closed it once so far and it successfully saved the p2pstate, blockchain and poolstate binaries. I reopened it and will now wait for it to sync before testing a gui to gui transfer.
Was there any reason you decided to display the wallet log from bottom down, and the daemon log from top down? Is there any way to make the log files copypasteable right in the GUI with just the mouse?
This is great!
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Found a nicely written article about the necessity for nodes in a p2p network. It's mainly a discussion stressing that if there is no incentive to run a node, then they become more and more sparse. I think privatized solutions like CryptoNote and Darkcoin have at least begun to address these issues. Specifically, by having more nodes operational (wallets on and running), you increase your privacy base. Does anyone want to discuss their thoughts? I've heard that transaction fees need to be eliminated in a network, and that they need to be eliminated and replaced by a small yearly inflation. But this article seems to imply that removing them centralizes your nodes. http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-nodes-need/
Bitcoin core developer Jeff Garzik believes that community attention to the lack of nodes supporting the network is what the industry needs in order to boost numbers:
“I agree we need more full nodes. I’ve long been a proponent of such calls for more nodes.”
However, such calls for voluntary support might not be enough motivation for people to do so, though, so, one logical idea that has been floated is to give nodes some sort of incentive.
However, that’s probably not feasible right now: over the past six months, miners have been averaging a daily reward of 15.98 BTC per day, according to Blockchain.
Recent bitcoin prices would peg that value at around $7,040 per day for the entire network – and the growth in transaction fees has been incredibly flat over the past six months. As a result, miners would likely be reluctant to concede any revenue to bitcoin nodes, which don’t require pricey ASIC hardware to run.
Members of the bitcoin community seem to be losing interest in hosting full nodes. And it’s something to pay attention to, because over time it might mean that the major companies in the industry may have to pick up the slack.
If larger players are taking up the role of supporting the network as full nodes, though, it continues to lessen the amount of decentralization the network has at an infrastructure level.
This is all down to circumstances surrounding bitcoin sentiment – the rise of ASICs, the selloffs in China and complete collapse of Mt. Gox – plus little in the way of incentives for someone to run a node.
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Working on a pool for Monero  UPDATE 1: API seems awfully easy, wonder what took the developers here so much time Must be because you weren't here!  Now I'm really excited, any idea when you'll be done? I'll keep people here updated while you work on it, if you'd like? Unless, you want to keep them updated on your breaks? |
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This coin is very difficult to set up wallet and start mining unless you are a programmer or hacker  Been trying for a few hours now to get my head around this and I think I'll have to give it a miss until a normal wallet and pools are setup unfortunately. Well that's just too bad. There are so many people who have reported the exact opposite (thousands based on the hashrate!), so I'm very sorry to hear that you've run into troubles. I'm not a programmer nor a hacker, but I will be here for the next 10-12 hours, and am willing to help you with whatever troubles you may have run into as I've not had them  If I can't get it done, there are others here who can help you! |
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Hey guys check out this interesting article, it seems to be addressing centralization of mining pools by offering innovative ways to combat heating and power issues that miners often encounter. This is a real major issue for those that would love to mine, but don't have the proper facilities or resources to do so: http://bitcoinrewind.com/cryptocurrency-mining-roundup/The cryptocurrency mining industry is changing day by day and there are new products that are introduced every day. The popularity of the altcoins is increasing every day. The companies are finding new way of cyyptography and the companies are offering new mining opportunities for the users. The power and cooling were the main concerns for the manufacturers and new methods of mining will help the companies to overcome the problems. But with data centers full of mining racks and malicious actors dropping cryptocurrency mining libraries into mobile malware, new and unexpected technological developments still crop up to make things interesting.
A company based in Seattle named as Hashplex announced that they will introduce their own data center called the Hashcenter. The company is founded by the old employees of Microsoft, Facebook and Google. This data center will help the people to distribute the hashing power of the bitcoins. There are some other features introduced by the Hashplex that will make them famous. Customers can utilize HashPlex’s own mining gear, cloud-style, or mining gear can be sent to the company’s data centre in the Seattle area. Either mining units a customer already has or ones currently on order with mining manufacturers.
There are some rumors that the USB miners are also coming in the field. With the new USB technology, you will be able to hold together low power with high storage. This will be very efficient for the users. The technology will be data center friendly and can be linked with blade miner. If space is an issue, USB miners may still provide a way to custom build an ASIC rig. The Hex-Fury stick does have a heat sink on one side, but cooling will still be an issue to contend with. The mining techniques will provide high revenues to the companies and will also help to prevent the data centers from the hackers. Hackers will not be able to get the users data easily. Big companies such as Amazon and Google are also stepping in the market of mining.
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What does it mean?
Is it unable to reach agreement between Thankful_fot_Today and Monero core team?
Please clarify the situation.
I'm unaware of TFT's intentions. I do know that I chose to trust the binaries only in the OP of this thread, and any other link that surfaces there. I'm comfortable not knowing the answer to your question, but hope people continue to file into this thread as there seems to be many great folks here. Actually, I'd like to quote Gavin Anderson here:
1) Can it possibly work (do the ideas for how it works make sense)?
2) Is it a scam?
3) If it is not a scam, could it open my computer up to viruses/trojans if I run it?
I answered those questions by:
1) Reading and understanding Satoshi's whitepaper. Then thinking about it for a day or two and reading it again.
2) Finding out everything I could about the project. I read every forum thread here (there were probably under a hundred threads back then) and read Satoshi's initial postings on the crypto mailing list.
3) Downloaded and skimmed the source code to see if it looked vulnerable to buffer overflow or other remotely exploitable attacks.
If I were going to experiment with an alternative block-chain, I'd go through the same process again. But I'm an old conservative fuddy-duddy.
I'm sure, if you need to have your question answered it can be done by following those steps. |
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I accidentally browse to this thread, found a very attractive item. wow..., what a coincidence, today just also released wallet, I want to download.
Awesome! Welcome! I hope you enjoy your time in this thread It means a lot to have new people come in. When you have everything downloaded and ready to go, feel free to send me a PM with your wallet address. I will send you 2 MRO. The same goes for up to the first five people per day reading this who would like to send me a message. I'll do this for the next 7 days. |
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When out of the trading platform？
Yes, Smooth has been running a very trustworthy OTC forum exchange that I highly recommend. If you check his trust ratings, you will see a comment from me for how much BTC he held in escrow for me. |
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Hey guys, with all the confusion that's been about recently I think it's time to consider settling on a logo that we can use to easily identify ourselves. This would be a major step in sustainability. I've made a whole lot of comments in the logo thread, and with the current submissions so far I'd like to vote for this one:  |
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They're clearly unhappy but I think in general we should aim to be neutral (or reconcile) with CryptoNote devs
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CryptoNote won't be able to ignore MRO.
Yes, I agree with you. To not even make an attempt at uniting would be a massive error. This also means that their concerns should be addressed correctly and directly: 1) If CryptoNote supports new technologies and the advent of new technological era, what is the contribution of this coin? How does it make CryptoNote technology prosper? What is that you have created?
I see a valid point raised here that I can, in the least, share my thoughts on. First, we have decided to take an open and transparent approach to introducing CryptoNote built on direct and constant communication. Though there may have been both direct and constant communication shared by alternatives, it was not open nor transparent. In fact it was the complete opposite, as we were told to be silent -- a statement that has not been vouched for on the main page despite many members leaving the community. With the intent of mass adoption -- openness is the major first step. We were placed in a situation where this can only be achieved with a fork in the first place, publicly available and ready to be shared by as representative of a majority as possible. Sitting around and listening to the Rocky theme song all day just doesn't cut it when you're trying to spread the word about something that should otherwise be shifting a paradigm. Second, CryptoNote technology prospers by putting more minds on it. The more liberal spread of information, despite the threat of impending surveillance, between people fosters an environment that is conducive to building a proper foundation for this technology. Very soon, there will be a functional GUI environment to further the "seep into the mass" as I've read it sickeningly called. It's not very easy to come up with many ways CryptoNote can directly prosper, because there does not seem to be an environment present that can assist in defining exactly what that philosophy is. Answers can't come days in-between, because MRO is here now and is dynamic -- something I find lacking in this philosophy I'd like further defined. Lastly, what we have provided is a vessel by which the technology can reach the masses -- something that has been made to appear as both impossible and unwanted by the current standing of the first realization of your philosophy. This vessel will be accompanied by tools which the masses are concerned with -- optimizations, GUI environments, possible GPU adaption in the short term. I am sure beyond doubt there will be others -- but generally utilizing the mass has and will provide innovations on levels that could never be considered or thought of in closed communities. But, as none of these really exist yet, I feel they are correct in waiting to accept the coin. 2) Why does this coin have 2 websites, 2 official threads, 2 announcements, 2 reps? Was it worthwhile after all to use someone else's work and try to take over the control afterwards and split the community?
This, I feel should be addressed by Tacotime. The short answer is that, in a coin that favors the mass, the mass speaks for the coin. Not one guy who wants to merge mine it with everything and certainly not one person with personal aspirations or greed. If everyone wanted merge mining, there would be one coin rather than two -- an interesting result of development in a dynamic environment rather than a static one. We do wish to see more CryptoNote-based coins, but hope that their creators would be more in line with our vision and keep their personal ambitions and greed low
I would love this to be explained, because I do not understand what is being said. The comment is rather vague and can be applied to any situation. Do I call the dog greedy for wanting the food? To what extent do personal ambitions cross over into existential ambitions? The comment spurs many more questions than it needed to -- which means it needs to be further defined before I can take any meaning from it (Will prevent myself from entertaining the statement in my mind until it's explained). |
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Problem is that AES is not suitable as a hash (certainly not when employed as encryption) for it has too small of a output space (repeating patterns will be over a few number of bits), thus it will be possible to attack this with an algorithm to reduce the scratchpad size significantly from the 2MB. I agree with this. Only a small number of bits of the output of AES are being used, but AES does not guarantee that all of its output bits are random. For example, consider an algorithm AES' which is just like AES except that it appends 10 trailing bits that are always zero (AES'(x) = AES(x) << 10). This would be just as secure as AES for encryption, but catastrophically bad for slow_hash. I suspect the developers wanted to use AES because of the hardware support in Intel CPUs, but they made a mistake, though it isn't immediately apparent how catastrophic this is (unlike my toy example above for example). If they used a true secure hash, it would be much slower and likely not memory bound. The algorithm can and should likely be improved in this regard, although I don't have any immediate suggestions how. What kind of comparison can be made with Tromp's Cuckoo Cycle (Man, that's painful to say -- sorry Tromp), or the blockchain mining style that's proposed in HoneyPenny in light of the weakness in AES? |
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I think you've misunderstood my point. From ocular inspection of the code, the current 16 word value in the 2MB array is 'hashed' by applying AES encryption and this produces a new value and index into the array to store. Thus the uniform, random oracle, and thus non-patterned distribution of indices is assumed, otherwise an algorithm similar to a birthday attack can be applied to reduce the storage requirements in order to fun it faster on for example a GPU because more instances could be run simultaneously.
So, I'm trying to understand -- AES does not take in completely random input size and value, and output a consistent length string, but instead takes in a consistent length random value string, and outputs a consistent size string? The effect being that you have limited your sources of particular outputs (inputs) to strings of size 'x' rather than strings of any size?
If you are not concerned with keeping it CPU-only, then why call it "CPU only"? There are so many altcoins which have deceived on this point.
I would like to see a bounty raised for GPU miner, to prevent deception or groupthinking. Putting it in the headline gives the implication that it will be permanent to people seeing it for the first time. |
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Difficulty is absolutely insane now, over 5,100,000
Yes, but doesn't appear to be related to MMing as fantom HR is relatively low. So, not sure. I did push the 32-bit update the other day, it could be a botnet. With the sudden onset, whoever it is doesn't care much in the way of entering quietly. Not all botnet operators are trying to kill off a network, just a different way of investing in the coin. Either way, hopefully the intention is to hold onto the coin for a long time. With the amount of hardware and money invested in even supplying that much HR, I don't think this is a negative event. More something to just sit back and observe. Hope I don't have to eat my words. |
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Difficulty is absolutely insane now, over 5,100,000
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Guys, here is a new CryptoNote fork - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=585611 (FantomCoin) with a merged mining Bytecoin and BitMonero. But I don't understand, Monero and BitMonero - is this one coin or different?  Also there is a GUI-miner (no command line ): No need to post pointless forks here It's not completely pointless, the tx_extra field with low fee blockchain can allow you to upload information. They can do things like Mastercoin w/ colored coins. I won't be supporting it, but it's not totally pointless -- competition will make the best of us all. |
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