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241  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [151 GH] MaxBTC.com Pool - Merged NMC, Zero Fee, DGM, LP, API, SSL, Port 80 on: April 26, 2012, 09:06:25 PM
How many shares have you guys mined on this pool total so far? What's the total pay you guys received so far for those shares?

You could figure it out if you wanted to go through the stats for each summary page: https://maxbtc.com/statistics/block?coin=0

For BTC:

Work Count117
Invalids3
Average Difficulty1,547,152
Average Shares1,501,689
Total Shares175,697,613
Total Block Amount5,704.42345396
Total Rewarded5,832.56766768
Total Donated30.57293529
PPS0.0000333706
PPS @ 50 BTC / Block0.0000324421

These numbers are slightly off from the totals shown on the page because they're more precise.
242  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [151 GH] MaxBTC.com Pool - Merged NMC, Zero Fee, DGM, LP, API, SSL, Port 80 on: April 26, 2012, 09:15:47 AM
Yay for 4M+ blocks  Embarrassed

FINALLY!!!  nearly 6.4m shares to solve it.. our unluckiest round yet.
243  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [459 GH] MaxBTC.com Pool - Merged NMC, Zero Fee, DGM, LP, API, SSL, Port 80 on: April 24, 2012, 10:05:38 PM
yeah something broke, all my miners dropped ( at exactly 12:00am/0:00 ) but it appears they are still working?  My page shows we are on block 200? But the last payout was block 116, with data unavailable.

Stats weren't being transferred to the web server.  That should be resolved now.  The problems don't affect the mining activity.

12am is about when backups occur.  There has been a problem with the backup agent locking up the database and preventing updates to it for a few minutes due to the large size of the detailed shares tables.  The long term solution would be to queue up the logging to survive database problems like these.  To avoid downtime in the short term, we might have it skip backups of detailed shares information.  Most of the stats are stored into condensed versions so damage should be limited should a disaster occur.
244  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [459 GH] MaxBTC.com Pool - Merged NMC, Zero Fee, DGM, LP, API, SSL, Port 80 on: April 24, 2012, 07:06:38 AM
yeah, I have auto-notify on and it has never notified me about idle workers, either... so, I guess none of the notifications are working except for block solving..

anyway, some new development  for the last 8 hrs or so, stats are frozen on the top miners, personal workers section, etc.   dunno if that might also have some impact on it showing solved btc/nmc blocks

You'll need to turn on idle miner notification, which is currently off on your account.  Then you need to go to the workers page and set the parameters for which workers you want notification on.

Can you add an option to manually create the password for the worker? It shouldn't be a security issue as long as it's a different pw from others. This way I don't have to change the set up of my rigs too much.

Thanks

This is the only feature I miss from other pools. If you can add this in, it would be perfect. Grin

I would second (third?) this.  There really isn't a security risk with letting a user choose their own password.  I've seen some pools that let you choose just one letter.  hehe

We originally allowed this per worker but it was changed to a single generated password for all workers to prevent people from choosing weak passwords that can reveal their main password.  Also, unlike most pools, abuses on your worker accounts can cause the account to be temporarily banned from mining.

It looks like there are many people that want to be able to set their own passwords so we'll put a it back on the list of things to do.
245  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [459 GH] MaxBTC.com Pool - Merged NMC, Zero Fee, DGM, LP, API, SSL, Port 80 on: April 24, 2012, 06:50:38 AM
There have been some significant changes to the backend recently.  Because of that, auto-pay was broken since last Wednesday and we were unaware of it until greatwolf mentioned it.  Auto-pay should be fixed now and it'll auto-pay once the next solved block is confirmed if you're donating less than 3.5%.  If you're paying 3.5% or more, it'll pay out when the next block gets solved.

Here's a few things that were added/fixed:

- Payouts to Ogrr is now supported.  You can specify a percentage of your BTC earnings to go directly to Ogrr or manually transfer them over.  If you don't know what Ogrr is, it's a forum that allows trading with bitcoins.
- One-time donations have been added so you'll be able to do a one-time donation of coins you have in the pool to the pool.
- BTC and NMC donations/features are now independent of each other.
- The email/wallet locking mechanism has been tweaked.  Please make sure your email/wallets are still locked (or unlocked).
- Miner payout blocks shows all miners paid instead of the top 20
246  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [459 GH] MaxBTC.com Pool - Merged NMC, Zero Fee, DGM, LP, API, SSL, Port 80 on: April 23, 2012, 03:18:01 PM
I'm really liking this pool. The site is awesome and the stats are neat. Founds 2 blocks already, some great luck ( knock on wood, been quiet over the weekend ).

2 questions. Does autopayout work? Am I missing something?

On the block stats for the rewards, what does the asterisk mean by some people's names?

Auto Payout requires you donate at least 0.75%. For 1.25% I think you get email notifications about your miners, and 3.5% donation pays you for invalid blocks.

And correct me if i'm wrong, the asterisk beside peoples names has something to do with donating.

Thanks Aseras, and thanks for tackling those questions, Tittiez.  The * actually means that the reward has already been credited for that user (they donated 3.5%+) when the block hasn't been confirmed yet or is invalid.  If the block is confirmed, no * is shown since everyone should have been credited already.
247  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [459 GH] MaxBTC.com Pool - Merged NMC, Zero Fee, DGM, LP, API, SSL, Port 80 on: April 23, 2012, 07:25:37 AM
seems to be back up now Smiley

had an issue with the backups.  should have only been down for a few minutes.  all is well Smiley
248  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [459 GH] MaxBTC.com Pool - Merged NMC, Zero Fee, DGM, LP, API, SSL, Port 80 on: April 20, 2012, 01:44:49 AM
This pool is NUTS.  I'm not sure exactly how the mechanics work for payouts, I'm getting a good 15% more at this pool than any other pool I've tried (MtRed, DeepBit, EclipseMC).

That's cause the pool is lucky at the moment.

Yeah, we have had a streak of good luck the past few days.  Over time EMC's 0 fee DGM and MtRed's 0 fee PPS should pay out about the same as MaxBTC.  I'm not sure what method options/fees Deepbit is offering these days.
249  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [459 GH] MaxBTC.com Pool - Merged NMC, Zero Fee, DGM, LP, API, SSL, Port 80 on: April 19, 2012, 05:42:04 AM
Can you add a way to automatically turn nmc into btc balance like in eclipsemc?

Yeah, it's on the list of things to do but I don't think you're missing out on a whole lot.  5gh should produce about $1 worth of NMC per month.
250  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [459 GH] MaxBTC.com Pool - Merged NMC, Zero Fee, DGM, LP, API, SSL, Port 80 on: April 16, 2012, 06:34:14 AM
Why does the hashrate of your pool vary so much? Does that mean it's getting hopped?

Yes, and that's not a bad thing.

I guess that's one way to look at it. To me a bonus implies that every share I mine during the bonus period gives me on average 101.25% PPS.
it also makes implementation easier since no rescaling would be required whenever they decide to change their donation %.
You can parametrize the calculation in a way that will not require an explicit rescaling when changing the average fee to do what I described.

True.  We may consider that but we're not sure if people are ready to accept that type of donation method.  Basic DGM is already confusing for many people.
251  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [459 GH] MaxBTC.com Pool - Merged NMC, Zero Fee, DGM, LP, API, SSL, Port 80 on: April 14, 2012, 05:37:20 AM
I guess that's one way to look at it. To me a bonus implies that every share I mine during the bonus period gives me on average 101.25% PPS.

To be honest, we never considered that definition.  It's similar to how we do donations; the amount they want to donate is a % of what their income is for that round, not what their mined shares would produce for that round over its lifetime.  it's a lot easier for people to understand, calculate, and predict than it is to have the donations spread out over multiple rounds.  it also makes implementation easier since no rescaling would be required whenever they decide to change their donation %.
252  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [459 GH] MaxBTC.com Pool - Merged NMC, Zero Fee, DGM, LP, API, SSL, Port 80 on: April 12, 2012, 12:22:41 PM
Thanks for chiming in, Meni.  If you see anything wrong with my reasoning/math here (or zvs'), please let me know.

Settings were changed from f=-0.125, c=0.1, o=0.8 in round 86 to f=-0.17647, c=0.15, o=0.85 in the rounds zvs is referring to.
If DGM is implemented as described in the forum or in AoBPMRS, it requires score rescaling if the average fee is changed. If no rescaling is done, it means that people who mine shortly before the change will get on average less than a 1.25% bonus, rather than 1.25% as they were promised. This has no effect on people who mine after the change. I don't think that has any relation with zvs's observations, though.

Another effect, which is normal, is that changing the timescale means that miners have a new equilibrium score, which takes some time to build up to. This can cause a reduction in immediate payments, which is compensated by a higher later payment. Edit: On second thought, this effect doesn't happen on the global level. It happens per miner when the overall hashrate changes.

But from a casual examination, it looks like what zvs refers to as "messed up payments" is not related at all to the parameter change. The total reward of a block depends on the luck of several previous blocks. (This is the result of cashing out previous score, it has no affect on the profitability of mining new shares). It's possible that there were a few lucky rounds before block 87, causing a reduced total payout which slowly builds up back to the equilibrium.

I don't think the rescaling is required.  The bonuses were meant to be applied for the rounds mined in.  So, if you were going to get 1 BTC with DGM, you'd get 1.0125 BTC instead.  It was easily accomplished with DGM without having to add any extra bonus code by increasing f by that amount, which would be the same as increasing the DGM payout by that amount since f isn't involved in calculating the score payout = (exp(lS-ls)*(r-1)*(1-f))/p.

The bonus you're referring to is for the lifetime of the share, which isn't how we're defining bonus (and I don't think most people would define it that way either), though what you're referring to is probably more fair and isn't exploitable.
253  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [459 GH] MaxBTC.com Pool - 1.25% Bonus, Merged NMC, Zero Fee, DGM, LP, API, SSL on: April 09, 2012, 11:49:44 PM
Beginning round 87, bonuses will be eliminated and c increased from 0.1 to 0.15.
This change appeared to have messed up the payments as well,

Block 87 (911000 shares) only rewarded 36 bitcoins
Block 88 (798000 shares) rewarded 40 bitcoins
Block 89 (1261000 shares, negative luck) rewarded 46 bitcoins

Thanks for chiming in, Meni.  If you see anything wrong with my reasoning/math here (or zvs'), please let me know.

Settings were changed from f=-0.125, c=0.1, o=0.8 in round 86 to f=-0.17647, c=0.15, o=0.85 in the rounds zvs is referring to.  
 
The pool appears to be doing what it's supposed to.  There is no standard on luck but it's set to 0% = difficulty.  The change in parameters and the big pool hopper not being on much in recent rounds is what's making the fee appear so high.  DGM lowers variance and tries to make payments fairly evenly over time.  People that understand variance mine at 0% DGM pools, and people that don't go to 5+% PPS pools and lose 5+% in the long run.

The change in settings would slow the decay and maturity time.  Twice the amount of shares would be needed to replace one of the previous ones.  Eventually it'll reach equilibrium and everything will be 1:1 again.  Also, those rounds are lucky so the pool takes more of the rewards that it had to pay out for the unlucky rounds.  The geometric method is based on p, which is 1/D as the probability that the block will be solved, so 1261000 shares would still be considered "unlucky".  Depending on the scores in previous rounds, it may pay out more than 50 BTC or it may pay out less.  In this case, there were two lucky rounds before it and one that was still better than expected.  The upward trajectory of the payouts even with fairly lucky rounds is expected as the new settings take over to find equilibrium.  Once equilibrium is reached, strings of lucky rounds will usually reduce payouts.
254  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [459 GH] MaxBTC.com Pool - 1.25% Bonus, Merged NMC, Zero Fee, DGM, LP, API, SSL on: April 08, 2012, 12:29:13 AM
Beginning round 87, bonuses will be eliminated and c increased from 0.1 to 0.15.
255  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [459 GH] MaxBTC.com Pool - 1.25% Bonus, Merged NMC, Zero Fee, DGM, LP, API, SSL on: April 07, 2012, 04:24:29 AM
Seems the settings here are more extreme than ozco.in.  I got paid for 2+ days (granted - very small amounts) after mining there with 10 Gh/s for about 3 hours.  Did the same here and wonder if I will even get paid for this block  Wink

According to Ozcoin's site, they use c=0.2, which should pay out for about 36m shares (~22 rounds at current difficulty).  MaxBTC uses c=0.1, which would be good for 16m shares (~10 rounds).  Increasing c would mean slower decay and less variance for miners but also more risk for the pool, which may be acceptable once we stop paying out the bonuses. 
256  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [459 GH] MaxBTC.com Pool - 1.25% Bonus, Merged NMC, Zero Fee, DGM, LP, API, SSL on: April 06, 2012, 06:04:09 PM
Man that is crappy. It seems to kill any small profit you might get as well when were on these unlucky blocks. 
DGM, the reward method used by MaxBTC, does not suffer from hoppers. On the contrary, extra pool hashrate will only lower everyone's variance, smoothing earnings. You'll get less per block but that much more blocks will be found. This creates the same expected earnings but with less fluctuations each day. Of course the lowest variance is obtained from a PPS pool such as eleuthria's BTCGuild or forementioned ABCPool.  PPS pools usually have a fee to compensate the risk they take off your shoulders, while other pools may be fee-less.

Hope this helps,
MC



Well said.  I just responded to some questions over at Ogrr about this as well:  https://ogrr.com/viewtopic.php?f=373&t=2551&p=16217#p16217

257  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [459 GH] MaxBTC.com Pool - 1.25% Bonus, Merged NMC, Zero Fee, DGM, LP, API, SSL on: April 05, 2012, 10:51:40 PM
Ever thought about paying out BTC for Namecoins like Eclipse? For the people that don't mine to keep them.

Good suggestion.  It's on the list of things to do but I don't know how soon we'll get to it.

 
mmm the pool had 400+ GH for one day now its back to normal 100-150gh , dont see how you could add 450GH as the norm.

It's been at 400 Gh for a while, peaking at like 700.  It appears there is a big hopper who goes in and out.

Right.  Actually, the last number I had the title at was 250gh.  I believe a mod bumped it up to 459gh, which is probably what they saw when they decided to update the sticky list.
258  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [459 GH] MaxBTC.com Pool - 1.25% Bonus, Merged NMC, Zero Fee, DGM, LP, API, SSL on: April 04, 2012, 05:32:40 AM
Did something break? Workers showing 0 mhash, top miners now at 0 and #72 an invalid block. Was so glad to see the block get solved too.

Edit: Looks like Btcx is already on it.

Thanks for the report.  We are tinkering around but the invalid was just a coincidence.  Bummer after such a long round Sad  Separate email notifications for Namecoin should be up shortly.
259  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [250 GH] MaxBTC.com Pool - 1.25% Bonus, Merged NMC, Zero Fee, DGM, LP, API, SSL on: April 03, 2012, 03:56:14 AM
UPDATE:  Merged Mining with NameCoin is now active.

Actually, it's been active for about 40 blocks.. we just got the UI done.  If you've been mining, you should already have some NMC rewards!
260  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [250 GH] MaxBTC.com Pool - 4% Bonus, Zero Fee, DGM, LP, API, SSL, AWE, SOM, BBQ on: March 30, 2012, 06:30:27 AM
very fancy.  i've decided i like it!

ed: oh, I did notice that work #49 was confirmed some time ago but is still showing as unconfirmed on account total.  not sure if that's something intentional or what

thanks for pointing that out.  we broke something in a recent update but it should be fine now.  btw, merged mining with namecoin has been running for the past 2 days.  we're just working out the UI for it now.  the spoils should be available for you to see soon Smiley
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