Possible yes, in terms of which algorithms the multi algo uses anything is possible, the real question is whether it is a good idea to do so or not and that is an open question.

I can't comment on the other feelings regarding the forum etc. as I am new here and still getting to know the situation and everyone involved.
However just to clarify here on this point, the bulk of the ALGO work at this point lies on C_E_D and myself, the others are of course heavily involved and things are discussed every step of the way as there are lots of major decisions to make but other than this input there is not much for them to do other than wait for us to do our parts and assist where they can. While they wait for us, it makes sense for them to work on other projects in that time.
It is seldom that a dev team consisting of multiple people with diverse skillsets can ever focus absolutely all their man hours on one single task, while it is tempting to think in this way (that the task will somehow be quicker if it is all the team does) it does not really work this way in reality.

I would like to stress that from my side since I have joined the focus has been 100% on the ALGO problem - so the dev team certainly are focusing on this as the number one priority.

There hasn't really been much discussion of this yet, but it is early days and most the focus is for starters on the urgent block time issue - once that is out the way who knows what is next, it's definitely a possibility.

Thanks for the welcome all, look forward to seeing where we will go.

Anyway I've got more important things to do with my time. I've shared everything I know - which is more than I can say for anyone else involved.
I've warned everyone, so anyone who gets further burnt from here has no excuses.

* This coin has no remaining core devs that actually do anything.
* Many of the larger community members who actually contribute are already out.
* Huge amounts of coins are in the hands of dumpers waiting to dump.
* The founder is irresponsible and uncooperative at best, complicit or the mastermind of the scam at worst.
* The distribution is completely destroyed

You can assume that half the people posting now are sock puppets and/or pumpers, look at some of the comments from people with broken logic and only a few posts to their names.
You can assume that anyone who says anything about new features at this point is looking to hype, either because they are a large bagholder or because they are one of the dumpers.
You will be very unlikely to attract a real developer at this point who is not out to scam you.


Anyway, I've got nothing more to say, so this will be my last post here, you can proceed to talk shit about me if you want I don't really care, my freenode account is 10 years old, various people have my real details, the 'dev team' has my full CV - only an idiot would scam like this, I am not involved in any scam - I was paid to deliver work and I delivered it thats my only involvement here - but believe what you will, desperate people will look for any excuse to cling to some form of hope and I've done far more than I am obliged to to try help folks here, you're grown ups do what you will.
HOWEVER INVEST IN THIS COIN AT YOUR PERIL YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

So long and thanks for all the fish.

Argon, say what you want about me you are entitled to your opinion, but at least think about my version being legit.
1) You can check my nuick on freenode - I registered it 10 years ago - so while I'm not overly active in this community (check my post history I have posted a few times over the last 7 months) I'm no sock puppet.
2) I joined this coin around July not knowing the community or devs as I was hired
3) Things seemed to be going welll
4) It collapsed
5) I did what I thought was best and tried to give everyone hope
6) I realised that doing so was giving the scammers exactly what they want so I stopped and am now trying to save people from damage by advising them not to waste any more money and salvage what they can.


For the most part you are completely spot on, this coin will just get hyped and dumped from here on, but you are wrong about my motives.
You are also wrong about forming a new dev team - if you form a new dev team you will still get pumped and dumped - the price is too low and sinister players now hold too much of the supply. The reputation is way too shot for anyone who is serious to get involved.
I don't really care if you beleive me or not I guess but I just wanted to put it on the record, good luck. I only remain here for a while longer putting the truth out because anyone I can save from throwing money at a stupid investment I will.

Wow how completely backwards, this isn't about some dev selling a few of his coins.
This is about a dev destroying the coin, so that he can get *billions*, yes he probably at this point holds over 4 billion of the coin or more.
He will wait for a rebuild and then dump all over you, putting your head in the sand will not change this.


Any hype you see from now on is an attempt to steal money from innocents, fall for it at your own peril, if you have any sanity don't spend another cent on this coin.

A basic list of infastructure that amDOGE controls and you should consider should anyone decide to go this route at some point.
I may have missed some things.
Some are easy to solve, others not so much.

Hey all,

It is with much sadness that I find myself having to make this announcement, usually I am a builder and do everything in my power to encourage people to carry on, and to bring hope, and that it is what I have tried to do over the last few weeks.
So it is difficult to find myself in a position where I am instead going to reverse my position and tell people to give up on something and cut their losses before they are hurt further. However there are things that must be said and based on these things I feel it is now the best course of action, the only ethical thing for me to do is to advise people against investing any further time or money in this coin.


Firstly, you will have noticed that despite my ultimatum and various impationed pleading on IRC by various community members that have given their all to their coins, amDOGE continues to flirt all responsibility, ignore everyone and won't make a basic statement. This is of course not a good sign for the coin, though nobody expects much from her ignoring people like a child at the time when the coin needs leadership is a disgrace and an insult to everyone who places trust in her.

Anyway unfortunately that isn't even what this post is about, there is more.
In my previous communications I stated that after dissapearing bdanyos accounts remained dormant - and that based on this and other things we could not believe that he was a scammer, as such myself and ozzke believed that something bad may have happened to him as it did not make sense.
Unfortunately this situation has changed, this weekend I decided to dig up the account information and look at it again, and to my surprise - at almost the same time as I made my announcement (around 4-5 March) about what was going on - the bdanyo accounts all sprung into action.
You can see them here:
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PNsD4AfYexQtuVRApcXyfjYAqZwPvagsLf
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PBYhqaA3YFbc1LXKTDpPFqBqPMP33eSiQE
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PBMjW35Ur4BpzQQ2V7sN5yqHMqqZhoY2De
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PSXKAXtZgRbdzcdNcE29UCZZ25wcHPsQpG
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PJmv2p7yx1pct3EsJM1RLiBmj58S3wzQFD

All of these accounts have been emptied into other accounts, following the blockchain trail around some of these other accounts have lots of deposits of 999998 PND into them (this is the maximum you can withdraw from bitrex at one time)
From what I can tell a lot of it ends up here:
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PQ1KbkoaEWdpYLfsaUGmbv5LmB7i1huL49
An account with 1.5 billion PND sitting in it, a substantial amount of PND. The blockchain trail is a mess and difficult to follow and of course he may have other further accounts on bittrex that haven't been emptied into wallets or other wallet accounts we don't know about, so its impossible to get a solid figure, but it seems somewhat obvious that he has been cashing in on the panic and then (presumably) plans to wait for the 'community rebuild' we are promising and then take a giant dump on it. Looking at the recent bittrex sells etc. it seems quite possible he may have upwards of 4 billion PND at his disposal.
I've spoken to some friends who have been into crypto quite long and apparently this is not an uncommon pattern - destroy coin - buy cheap - get community to step up and 'rebuild' at which point you dump on them, it never ends well.

I'm afraid  that he fooled most of us really badly and it seems quite obvious he was a scammer after all, this is difficult to come to grips with but it must be the truth. It is unclear if he only turned scammer near the end or if he has been playing a long con all along, if it is all along it is quite possible he has been dumping on us throughout and has made a huge fortune at everyone including ozzke who is one of the worst hit's expense.

Anyway I don't have the time/energy to dig into the accounts more and to me it doesn't matter as knowing more is not going to change anything, but its there for you to look at if you want.
However it leaves this unfortunate situation:
1) The coins reputation is now further damaged, which is going to make going forward much harder, trust is the one thing in crypto that is worth something and trust for this coin is dwindling fast.
2) Any rebuild attempt is going to face massive dumping on a level that is going to be difficult to overcome.
3) On top of this amDOGE remains unresponsive and irresponsible and a further obstacle to the coin, and has 2B (or more) coins she may or may not dump herself if the community attempt to remove her so they can continue.


I've spoken to various of the more active/longterm/key community members about this to gauge feelings and the general response is one of agreement that it is not worth it. I feel it would be reckless to encourage anyone to carry on with this coin, if you get out now you will lose money and I am sorry for that, but if you continue you are going to only lose even more money and time and are going to make money for scammers, so it is better to cut your losses.
I am unfortunately therefore done and won't contribute further, and I advise everyone reading this to GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN, put as many sell orders at 1 sat so that bdanyo or any other dumpers that have been gathering funds can never make a profit from anyone - if you are lucky and act fast one of them may even buy your 1 sat order and you may still get something out.


Very sorry everyone, its been a pleasure working and talking with those of you that I have, and I'm sorry to those who were willing to fund me that we can't continue I am very touched that all of you came out in support and offered your money towards my work it means a lot to me. This is a dreadful situation, I still feel that crypto has lots of promise for the future and I hope that this won't destroy everyones faith in crypto.
If you do remain in crypto my suggestions for the future:
1) Don't invest in anything where the main roleplayers aren't made public - if they are public take some time to verify they are actually real.
2) Look for somewhere where the community is involved in all key decisions and there are no closed doors, what was happening on http://www.pandacointalk.com was beatiful and is how it should have been all along.
3) The community here was great you should try keep in touch even if pandacoin is in my opinion done for, make a new channel or something, I believe some of the pndcointalk guys may make a future announcement about this.
Never lose your spirits and don't let the bad guys win, but focus you energy into something where it will have a positive benefit and not into a lost cause.

Yes, thanks, that about sums it up.

It is not about trying to bully anyone, if you read all my other posts you will see that I have even tried to defend her, I simply ask the founder of the coin to be responsible enough to actually make a statement of some kind. This is not an unreasonable request, if she is not willing to do that then I don't see it worthwhile to invest any more of my very precious time in this project, its that simple.

Also you are completely wrong:
amDOGE is pandacoin-official and is around.
I have already tried and intend to continue raising her attention to this post on IRC as well.
It is not as easy as you say for the community to continue without her blessing, she holds (estimate) 1B PND, she controls various infastructure that is needed, she controls all the keys for the coin, without a statement from her the community will be fragmented, without a statement from her there will be constant FUD making it hard for people to move forward.
Why would anyone invest a year or two of their time into a coin that somebody else controls if they don't even have the decency to make a post? Why should I spend a year trying to make amDOGE's 1B coins worth a fortune if amDOGE can't even write a simple post telling everyone what she thinks? Sure people may pay me some PND at a drastically discounted rate to do it, but ultimately unless the PND is going to be worth something I am donating my time and with a leader that is essentially blocking the way I don't see it as worthwhile, there are plenty of other projects begging me to join who don't have founders who won't speak.
Going forward we need to not just keep the coin going but encourage others to join and use the coin, it is hard to see that happening with a giant cloud hanging over things.


I'm sorry that you see this as bullying, but for me as one of the people actually interested in taking the coin forward I see it as a non-negotiable that amDOGE shows some common decency at this point and at least comments. And I know that many others who still want to contribute also feel this way.

If she doesn't, well you are welcome to continue Aragon18 - maybe you will be the one to offer this 2 years of your time who knows.

amDOGE.

I was hoping to avoid this but I see no other way, a lot of people are sticking out their necks here to defend you and you remain silent.
Many community members are putting in a lot of effort at http://www.pandacointalk.com to try find a future for the coin and you remain silent.

I'm not expecting or demanding much from you unlike some others, I don't demand that you write a long explanation or that you find a new dev team, or that you develop it all yourself. The community is doing just fine on its own, however as you can see in this forum people still see you as the main figure, and there is the matter that you are still - as far as we know the largest holder of coins and therefore the person with the most to gain if price goes up. There is also the matter that you control the community chest amongst other things which means without your participation it is very difficult for the community to salvage this situation.


Without some form of official statement from you, you make it very difficult for the community to carry on, and these constant negative messages by people will keep streaming in - and lets be honest even if they are somewhat unrealistic (like rastab) they are not unreasonable, they are based on the fact that you are completely silent.


I don't know if it is the case that you have given up on PND completely, that you are in a depression, or that you still want PND to flourish but are just too lazy or scared or something to actually do anything. (Or something else entirely)
However I can't put any more effort in while this situation remains.
I for one would like to get on with things and stop talking so here it is I am laying down an ultimatum.


-------------------------------------------------------Ultimatum to amDOGE -----------------------------------------------------------------
As the founder of this coin you have the responsibility to either try to grow this coin or hand it over to people who will, if you do nothing your inaction makes you personally responsible for people losing money. While you owe nobody anything in terms of future development by any means you must realise that this is not a time where you can just be completely silent.
I for one will no longer participate in any effort to save this coin, or defend you further, unless you either:
1) Make an official statement blessing the new community effort as the way forward, hand over the community chest to someone in the community, and donate a reasonable portion of your PND holdings to the chest so that you too are participating in trying to save the coin, if other people are putting PND forward it seems only fair that the largest stakeholder should too.
2) Become active again and work with the new community effort, make an official statement in this regard and let people know what is going to happen.

Car analogies are moronic.

Anyway aside from anything else you miss the point, there is no company here, only a group of volunteers, you did not buy shares. Where do you think the previous devs e.g. Ozzke came from, do you think he came out of thin air or from the community? This coin has always been community driven the load was just not very fairly shared.
There was no IPO or premine so its not like amDOGE just went shopping and bought a dev team.

You bought coins, from a currency, a currency that happened to have some people developing it (for free) - when you bought those coins the person you bought them from got the money, not the people developing it, though even if they did the point remains you bought coins not a shareholding or a stock certificate.
The people who were making those coins valuable by doing free stuff have moved on - you can either cry and bleat about it and end up with nothing or you can help ensure the coins retain value by participating - this doesn't mean you suddenly need to become a programmer there are many other ways to add value to a coin like selling things in it or spending in it or simply participating in some way, or even heaven forbid simply keeping quiet and not making juvenile comments seeking to kill to coin like "omg pandacoin is dead".
Nobody is telling you to participate they are just saying it is an option - but rest assured if nobody partcipates then this coin will die - thankfully there is a lot going on at http://www.pandacointalk.com - which you probably haven't even bothered to check out...




If you wanted to own shares in a car company then you should have bought stock in tesla or ford, then you could have acted like a normal shareholder in a car company. If you wanted to invest in a cryptocurrency as a company then you should have found one that is a company and bought shares in it - not coins.
Do not blame others for your fundemental misunderstanding of what you are doing.

Seeing as you like absurd car analogies here is one for you, what you are doing is the equivalent of buyying a ford steering wheel (not even a car) and then throwing a tantrum when the people who make ford close down - demanding that somebody should for free re-open ford for you and do everything you want because you want your steering wheel to gain in value so you can make money.

That said I am happy to answer your question. Here is an IRC log from the other day where I tried to explain the basics of PandaX.
Understand that - as with most large projects - there were multiple role players each with only a partial understanding of how the parts of the system they weren't involved in would work, there were many very long discussions, diagrams and arguments to get on 'the same page' as one another, it is unlikely that any one person even fully understood how *everything* would work.
My role was mostly to code the parts needed in the wallet - so I can only give a full overview of that, and even there unless I want to go through weeks of explaining I can probably only put forward a simplistic view of what was going to happen.
Below logs reflect a very simplistic summary of the system, without going into too much detail of how exactly it all comes together and works.

Look I have to be honest, I don't think the full PandaX is even remotely realistic right now.
At the time it was going to be executed we had two incredibly good marketing/management people working basically full time, we had a highly experienced/skilled shopping portal developer who was offering to do his part for free, we had someone funding a fair amount of money for me to work reasonable hours on my portion, we had lots of other developers volunteering to join and we had momentum behind the coin to carry it forward. Even with all these things it was as far as I am concerned an incredibly *ambitious* project - which is not to say I doubt we would have managed but rather that it was going to be a lot of hard work and was by no means a 'done deal' or something that would just materialise overnight. Timing was key.

All of these things are now gone, and they are not easy to get back, especially the momentum.

This does not mean that all is lost, it just means that it is required to be much more realistic right now, we still have a great community, we still have one of the best wallets there is a solid base to build on.
With a bit of focus on the basics, ironing out the wallet bugs, getting marketing back on track and putting out some basic new features, the coin can win back some confidence and gain momentum again and the only direction from here is up. That doesn't mean it is going to happen overnight though.

The vibe at http://www.pandacointalk.com is positive and things are happening, so as it stands there is every reason to remain positive, but at the same time grounded and realistic in our expectations - things are going to take time and won't happen overnight.
Launching into an overly ambitious project right now is unrealistic it isn't where the coin is positioned right now and it isn't what the coin needs, right now its necessary for the coin to find its footing on solid ground first.

Once the coin is solid again who knows what the future may hold, perhaps as the various pieces come into place PandaX will indeed actually happen - many of the individual parts or pieces required to build PandaX I have already put forward as project ideas on pandacointalk so it is definitely conceivable that we could eventually reach a point where we have something similar - or perhaps something better, there are many positive directions in which the coin may head and while PandaX was a great opportunity/idea it definitely isn't the only way to go or even necessarily the be all end all, there are dozens of ideas around.


Even if I thought it were a good idea to still persue PandaX I am not a bdanyo and I can't work full time on anything that time is not mine to give, my life is already incredibly complicated with a vast amount of responsibilites. I cannot be that person. I'm a programmer, who makes things happen behind the scenery on tight deadlines and tight budgets, but I'm no magician nor am I a leader.

The future can still be bright, but stop looking for a 'magic bullet' or easy out, there is going to be a lot of hard work by quite a few people and growth is going to be slow at first, there is no 'easy' way.

He organizes translation of all marketing material to Chinese - also the recent wallet translations to Chinese (both classical and traditional) - and does various other posts etc.
That alone seems plenty to me, if he hasn't been active in the last month or two it is because the marketing team disintegrated so there is no more new material for him to translate.

Firstly deceived is really pushing it but anyway. As you yourself have pointed out there is no dev team anymore they have all left, so I guess this question is moot, who cares if you can trust people who are no longer with us.
You only have to trust whoever the 'new' dev team is and the best way to do that is to be active in the new community effort to replace the 'dev team' with an active community.

I don't think she has dumped, her address is AFAIK fairly common knowledge and AFAIK still has a huge amount of coins in it. You seem to be trying to spread FUD here...
As for why amDOGE doesn't care I'm not sure the reason really matters that much, maybe amDOGE is depressed or maybe that is just how she is, she only started the coin because of wolong and that is now over so maybe she just doesn't have a goal anymore perhaps th e coin has outgrown her? Also though she may not be the wallet dev she does maintain various infastructure the webpage included and has done her part so its not fair to say she doesn't care entirely.
I personally would like to see her far more active too, but look at how far we already got without her, it definitely isn't a necessity.

Either way I don't see why dwelling on this is going to help - its time to focus on moving forward not to sit and cry about the past.

See the various goings on at http://www.pandacointalk.com

1) It wasn't that long
2) Everyone was probably hoping that bdanyo would return, it would be silly to tell everyone bdanyo is gone after only 2 weeks and then he suddenly rocks up so it was at least necessary to wait long enough for everyone to properly come tog rips with this.
3) Perhaps the remaining people were scared of a witch hunt by people like you.
Personally I think amDOGE should have said something sooner - but again what do we achieve crying about it? Rather focus energy towards building.

See the various goings on at http://www.pandacointalk.com

How about you lead the way?

You are picking and choosing again, I said that "much of it" was "facts" not the entirety, a lot of it is half truths or presented in a delibrite way to make things look worse.

With all due respect while much of your post is based on facts I personally have several problems with your post.

1) Why do you aim to tear things down instead of build, pnd is only dead if people like you intent on tearing it down make it so, there is no reason pnd could not go on to thrive from here - perhaps you should make yourself aware of all the *positive* talk going on at http://www.pandacointalk.com and become part of the solution instead of the problem.
2) You complain about others hiding their identity yet you make a special account to post under not even using your normal 'pseudo identity' - why not lead the way and at least have the guts to post under your normal nickname?
3) You paraphrase in a lot of places and put words that are not there - my post certainly doesn't show amDOGE to be 'untrustworthy' - unresponsive and disinterested, yes you could definitely say so but nowhere do I feel or insinuate that amDOGE is untrustworthy - I have no doubt that amDOGE can be trusted. I also definitely do not feel amDOGE to be arrogant, either as above only unresponsive and disinterested.
There could be many reasons for this other than arrogance, depression for instance.

Bumping as many seem to have missed this entirely.

Update to 3.0.2 and it will go away, contents of an alert cannot be changed after it is sent so there is nothing the devs could possibly do to change that message at this point.