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241  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 3 kinds of ICOs — Protect yourself on: October 09, 2017, 03:50:23 PM
There are 3 kinds of ICOs:

1)  SCAMS

There have always been a lot of scammers, hackers and thieves in the crypto space since day one. Think of Mount Gox. According to Business Insider:

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“…one out of every 16-17 Bitcoins belongs to someone who stole it”

If you don’t think that these thieves are trying to steal money through ICOs or from ICOs, you are kidding yourself. You just need to see the Bitcointalk forum dedicated to scams, or to participate in a Slack channel and you will see the never-ending phishing e-mails trying to lure you to their sites, in order to empty your wallet.

In addition to thieves and scammers, there are those who lie or exaggerate. Many users on Bitcointalk are pump and dumpers.

2)  CRAP

Everyone is desperate to host an ICO to make money. Therefore, they are throwing anything and everything onto the blockchain, including the kitchen sink. They may not be intentionally trying to scam, but they think that they have a good enough idea for an ICO. But these will fail because the blockchain will not solve anything for them. Examples include ICOs that want to put 3D data (which would equate to hundreds of Terabytes of data) or 153 exabytes of medical data on a blockchain. This shows that they are clueless about the blockchain and have never run Bitcoin’s full node. Bitcoin’s blockchain is 120 GB and Ethereum’s blockhain is 200 GB and they are both having scaling problems.

They are also throwing any kind of business problem that they can make up, into the ICO. If they cannot make up the business problem, they will exaggerate about it. They will fail because the business problem doesn’t really exist, isn’t significant enough, cannot be solved by a blockchain or they do not really have the solution, though they try to make it sound like they do with lots of technical jargon.

One project cites this business problem:

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“You need large amounts of money to buy real estate and your money is tied down for an indefinite amount of time.”

This is a lie and not a business problem. You can buy one share of a REIT, and there are thousands of REITs to choose from, and you can sell it one minute later. If they start off their pitch with a lie, what else are they lying about?

Another project cites this business problem:

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“A small number of large energy companies supply millions of customers who are price takers.”

Therefore, the solution is to create more energy suppliers, especially nuclear power plants, which is the cheapest source of electricity. But the project does not propose this. They propose to enable consumers to sell their solar self-generated electricity directly to other consumers.

To do this, consumers should have BOTH solar panels and batteries. This is a TINY market. Though solar panels are growing, it is still a tiny percent of the market and solar generated electricity is still much more expensive than nuclear generated.

Consumers with solar panels do not have that much surplus electricity to sell anyways. They use most of what they generate. Tesla and Enphase hyped up their batteries for solar panel owners to store their surplus electricity. These batteries are NOT selling. Enphase spent over $100 million to develop their battery and partly because of the lack of battery sales, their stock has plummeted approximately 85%.

Of course, the project’s pitch looks impressive at first glance.

3)  LEGITIMATE

There are only a few applications that make a lot of sense for the blockchain: transfer of value (currency), store of value, remittances (disrupt Western Union and bank wire transfers), smart contracts, gaming and gambling. These applications will disrupt their respective industries, because the blockchain will provide a lot of cost-savings or time-savings to the users. There might be other applications that make sense that I missed, but applications proposed by many ICOs do not make sense. Jesus Coin is an extreme example, but there are applications that fall across the spectrum from Jesus Coin to Bitcoin.



YOU CAN REDUCE THE RISK BY USING 3 FILTERS

1)  The project’s idea should make sense, but do not base your investment decision purely on the idea. Watch:

“Ideas are like assholes - everyone has one, no one cares”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhJgrEackis

Entrepreneurs typically try to hide their ideas because they think they are the only ones that came up with the ideas. Venture Capitalists tell them to scream their ideas to the public and they’ll see that nobody will steal them. Ideas are a dime a dozen. There are probably 10 other people with the same idea that you have or that the ICO has. The most important factor to success is the ability to execute. This is why Venture Capitalists refuse to sign non-disclosure agreements and rarely invest in startups which haven’t built a prototype or product.

HAS THE ICO TEAM BUILT ANYTHING THAT WE CAN USE TODAY?

If not, take a pass. This is the best evidence that the team can execute. It takes way more skill, time, work and money to build an app than to create a one-page website and video. It shows:

  • The team has proven that they can develop.
  • It is less likely that the team will invest so much and not follow through.

Everything else is useless. Don’t be fooled by big teams, fancy pretentious titles, references, roadmap, video, fancy animations, escrow, blogs, Slack, Telegram, Twitter, Facebook, Reddit and white paper.

One project stacked their team with a dozen people and then lied about them. One member had the title of “Blockchain Expert”, but he worked in Inside Sales until 1.5 months prior. One member had the title “Blockchain Developer”, but he never developed a blockchain before.

Here is an example of a project team using fake photos and fake names: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1949528.msg19485217#msg19485217

Don't rely on Github unless you can verify that they didn't copy the code from someone else and you can run it.

Several high profile projects raised millions of dollars and still have not produced an app. This number will grow and become more evident in the coming years.

Gnosis raised $12.5 million and their website says:

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“The Hunch Game is nearly ready and can be launched in the first half of 2017 as an example Gnosis app.”

No app yet.

Qtum raised $15.6 million. I don't see anything produced on Qtum's website.

After raising $50 million, Cosmos's website is still pitching its white paper. Come on. What have they produced with that $50 million?

Augur had Vitalik Buterin on their team. After Satoshi Nakamoto, Vitalik is the most desirable person in the universe to have on an ICO team. After raising multiple millions and after two and a half years, all they’ve released is a simple beta that is barely usable.

Don’t be suckered by animations and videos. Satoshi didn’t have any of this and his coin was the most successful. Besides, the animations aren’t that impressive anymore, as I’m beginning to see the same animation on multiple websites. Some of these teams must be using the same graphic designer.

2)  IS THE TEAM FROM A CORRUPT COUNTRY?

Check Transparency International's ranking.

If so, take a pass.

The number of ICOs from corrupt countries, especially those that were famous for sending out phishing scams for years, have exploded.

Yes, there are scams from countries that are not corrupt and successful projects from corrupt countries. What is important is the probability and if you are willing to take the extra risk.

3)  “NEVER INVEST IN A BUSINESS THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND”

This is a quote from Warren Buffett. It is very applicable because many ICO teams try to impress the audience with technical jargon. Many investors are not tech savvy and are baffled or confused, but they invest because they think that the project team must have come up with a technological break-through.

Last word:

You need to be able to verify that the business problem exists, that the market size is truly as big as the ICO claims and that the solution is possible. Quite often, they exaggerate on most of these. You need to verify that a blockchain or a cryptocurrency actually is needed for the solution. Quite often, they’re not.

Do not rely solely on ICO listing or rating sites. They likely do not know about all of the ICOs. Not all ICOs are willing to pay to be listed. They have methodologies that you may not agree with. Some claim to be experts, but you are likely more of an expert in your own field, whether that is medical, law, engineering or finance, than they are. They will likely have biases, especially for ICOs originating from their country or region. Putin wants to increase the crypto industry in Russia. Is this why there has been an explosion of ICOs from Russia? Even Putin’s Advisor ran an ICO. If Russia took out Facebook ads to disrupt U.S. and European politics, who is to say that they will not pay off ICO listing and ratings sites to favor Russian ICOs?

A fucking fantastic thread. I have bookmarked it.

Thanks a lot man!
242  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Red Pulse (RPX) just destroyed themselves - Worst ICO ever! on: October 09, 2017, 03:43:34 PM
does anyone think rpx will go up to $1??

Yes I do.
243  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Red Pulse (RPX) just destroyed themselves - Worst ICO ever! on: October 09, 2017, 03:03:01 PM
Alcarin you need to slow your roll and shut up. Stop being a baby.
244  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: red pulse ICO worth it? on: October 09, 2017, 02:58:42 PM

That won't change shit.
245  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Red Pulse (RPX) just destroyed themselves - Worst ICO ever! on: October 09, 2017, 09:07:48 AM
How do I check which block I was in?
246  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Red Pulse (RPX) just destroyed themselves - Worst ICO ever! on: October 09, 2017, 08:48:44 AM
Y'all need to chill out.

I too am pissed as I sent 73 NEO at exactly 14:01:33 and it was clearly too late. Sombat did not clarify in the Slack if there was a delay with the second hour, he said at 13:57 that the second hour starts in 5 mins which would make it 14:02. This really had me confused, and they had no official timer on the website for the second hour.

Saying that, I'm happy with my 31,500 RPX tokens received for my first hour contribution.

The shit will go 10x easily by the end of the year.
247  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Binance: $BNB The Future of Exchanges. on: October 08, 2017, 05:11:56 PM
Does anyone think BNB can ever recover to its ATH?
248  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: red pulse ICO worth it? on: October 08, 2017, 02:32:55 PM
The 2nd round went live at 16:00:01 CEST or exactly 1 hour after 1st round... so you went in 1 minute past... likely too late!

I think it was late starting.
249  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: red pulse ICO worth it? on: October 08, 2017, 02:19:31 PM
Is someone able to see RPX tokens in your wallets from the second round.
I got mine from the first, but still no tokens from the second round.
Thanks

Same here, cannot see the second round.

I submitted a few seconds after the slack channel said that the 2nd hour had started, which was actually at 1 minuted past. Huh Huh Huh
250  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: red pulse ICO worth it? on: October 08, 2017, 01:22:05 PM
I'm in and I already have received my RPX tokens in the gui wallet!!  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
251  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: 🌟🌟🚀[ANN]⚡[AirDrop]⚡Bitcoin on Ethereum Blockchain [Round 2]⚡[ANN]🚀 on: October 08, 2017, 09:56:57 AM
Joined the airdrop on Friday. Still no email and no tokens.

Does anyone know the details of what is needed to add it as a custom token on My Ether Wallet?
252  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ⚡ [ANN] ⚡ DeepOnion TOR Integrated ⚡ No ICO 🚀 FREE Airdrops 🚀 13 of 40 Rounds on: October 06, 2017, 09:46:49 AM
Are the airdrops still ongoing?
253  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: 🌟🌟🚀[ANN]⚡[AirDrop]⚡Bitcoin on Ethereum Blockchain [Round 2]⚡[ANN]🚀 on: October 06, 2017, 09:39:38 AM
How many tokens does one actually get in the airdrop? Is it totally random?
254  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: The best investment in October. What can you make good money on? I will buy on: October 05, 2017, 11:58:49 AM
Yay another shill thread where people drop the names of their bags without giving a reason why they invested in the coin. Cheesy. Yay

Because this was very helpful, well done.

Two projects I'd consider for October are Red Pulse and Ethereum Dark.

The former, a highly anticipated ICO, runs on the NEO network and the ICO begins this Sunday once you are whitelisted. I'm pretty sure the projects aims to gain and consolidate information on Chinese markets. Imagine how helpful this could be for a western investor. Even here at BCT we have difficulty assessing what China is doing. If you're not whitelisted don't worry because usually when a new coin is introduced to the market it dumps in its early days. Can't say it's definitely going to happen with this, but keep an eye out for it when it hits the exchanges to see if it drop below ICO price. I believe there was a bonus for pre-ICO investors so if there are weak hands in that group expect to see the price drop. IFF there are weak hands.

As for Ethereum Dark, just take a look at their announcement page. In a month and a half this thread has grown by 324 pages. I don't think they have released a whitepaper yet but I'm pretty sure the recent price pump was due to the expected release of the whitepaper. Works much like Ethereum, but with dark connotations. The community is enthusiastic and alive, the developers are relentless in their work ethic, they've only been listed on two (three?) exchanges so far and they have seen an increase of 153% in the last week. Not to mention that tokens are distributed through airdrop AND it's PoS. Many, including myself, see this achieving 5$ by the end of the year and 10$ within six months. You can expect that to be even higher should there be more fruitful developments than we are expecting over the next six months. Maybe when Ethereum goes to full PoS we'll see a migration of people from there (ETH) to here (ETHD) which should also increase the S+D. Did I mention a total supply of 4.2m tokens? No? Well I just did there. Your welcome.

My opinion is not intended to be financial advice. Is it my opinion. I have stakes in ETHD, very small, amounting to jist over 100€, so I'm not expecting to get rich by making you all by this coin. I do not, but I will have, stakes in RPX, although I do have stakes in NEO and a strong sentiment towards it, so my opinion IS DEFINITELY BIASED, like everyone else's, so let's not tell eachother the grass is green and the sky is blue because we all know already.

Does it actually have anything to do with the real Ethereum or is it a rip off?
255  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: NEO to $40 within 8th October on: October 05, 2017, 11:55:26 AM
RPX will moon.
256  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: NEO to $40 within 8th October on: October 05, 2017, 11:22:10 AM
I hope you're right. I am in on the ICO and will throw a few NEO at it.
257  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: red pulse ICO worth it? on: October 05, 2017, 11:16:41 AM
I hope it does 10x
258  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: RPX whitelist is OUT!!! I am IN!!! :) on: October 04, 2017, 05:14:35 PM
I'm in as well. Gonna be a really good ICO this one.
259  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [PTOY] Patientory Speculation !!! on: October 04, 2017, 12:43:12 PM
Pure shilling. Good project but $10 is many years off.
260  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Exscudo by the end of 2018? on: October 02, 2017, 03:20:21 PM
I have 2300 Exscudo, when lambo?

You gotta wait a bit longer I'm afraid. Wink

How long? Smiley
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