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2401  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 28, 2015, 01:59:24 AM
Yeah, tons of variables, too many for me, I conceded that.

Noted. I had not caught up when I made my post. However, some of those variables are important.

The major difference is that increases in hashrate come about because miners, rightly or wrongly, judge that it's in their best interest to increase their hashing capacity. The halving is an an external action, decided by a slightly bemused older gentleman who likes to play with trains.

The major difference, however is to the external market which, as one of your alter egos recently mentioned is accustomed to an inflation rate somewhere in the order of 10% p.a. which will suddenly drop to approx 5% p.a.

In miners' terms, you are broadly correct though. Bitcoins don't suddenly become more expensive. It simply becomes less profitable to mine and for a lot of miners, that means switching off which makes Bitcoin cheaper for the remaining miners. If 10% profit were acceptable now, 10% profit will be acceptable then.

As you say though, tons of variables. Many of which will depend on current price, advances in mining, early pricing in, how much miners will be willing to eat a loss until the next difficulty adjustment, the color of Obama's boxers and many more. They're all important though.
2402  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 28, 2015, 01:24:38 AM
We are going back to the original GPU-CPU days economics and BTC pricing model once these become commonplace on shop shelves.

Sadly not. The thing with CPU and, to an extend GPU mining was that they were being produced and sold for general use and the prices were not reflective of their being used for Bitcoin mining (though possibly on the gray market). ASICs have very much been priced according to the idea that manufacturers want a chunk of that sweet, sweet profit and so have been much, much less attractive to the general public. Now that competition is increasing, we may see that wain a little but it will still be a ways away from being dirt cheap.
2403  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 28, 2015, 01:20:23 AM
http://bitcoinclock.com/

bitcoin cost of production doubles on or around 23.07.2016 ... the floor price will get raised in proportion, one way or another.


Bitcoin cost of production just went up 10.44% on the 24th, and will go up by 12.18% in just 9 days. That's almost half of what the block reward halving will do Smiley

@shorts will be homeless: stop being such a rude faggot.

More complicated than that. Increasing miner efficiency mitigates that but then there's the cost of upgrading miners to stay in the game...

Also more complicated than saying that the cost of production doubles come the halving. That is not really the same as the reward halving.

Fun & games ahead...
2404  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 27, 2015, 10:28:24 PM
Since nobody seems to know how many Bitcoins Gox actually had, it's still possible that instead of pumping, Gox might instead have had a negative effect on the market by selling more coins than they owned (shorting).  Yea, they're buying and selling with customer funds, but that doesn't mean they're pumping if they have 600k coins in liability on the books and only had 200k coins.  They would be naked shorting like Blythe Masters and silver.  I haven't really seen any good summary of Gox liabilities vs assets over time, but if there's always more liabilities than assets, they're doing internal naked shorts!

Oh, almost certainly Gox weren't pumping. They got in the mess they were because the price went up and they didn't have the coins that were on their books. A rising price thus meant that they were getting dug deeper and deeper in the hole.

The reason the price was going up (absent any Willy bot type input) was because they had frozen fiat withdrawals. The only way to get anything out of Gox (pre-total-collapse) was with bitcoins. Thus anyone with an ounce of sense was trying to buy bitcoins before the price went up more and before it all went south, further putting Gox in the hole.

The Gox rise was not natural exuberance (though that also played into it) but simply the largest exchange imploding spectacularly. What should the price had been? Who knows. I suspect we would not have touched 1k for a good while if Gox was running an honest ship.
2405  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 27, 2015, 07:06:04 PM
Two years ago today when we crossed into 1k territory. Unfortunately, as we were later to find out, that was 1k GoxBux

I believe we're starting to see some more flakiness from the Gox server here returning old data. The cause of this was never really addressed but I have my suspicions that the Gox order book was almost entirely imaginary.

2406  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2015, 04:49:49 PM
Meanwhile, two years ago today...



thats poetical

ATH was on the 29th so I'll run these every day until then.
2407  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2015, 04:13:24 PM

Could decentralized smart contracts potentially be used to hire hitmen?

Yes. Next?
2408  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2015, 04:07:03 PM
Meanwhile, two years ago today...

2409  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2015, 03:47:34 PM
... Three years ago today, the price was about twelve bucks american. ...

And two years ago today, the price was over A THOUSAND BUCKS, American. Been pretty much downhill from there Sad

Waited2long

No it was not you fucking bare-faced liar. I posted a chart for the whole day in the morning and it was clearly visible it was hanging out in the low 800s.
2410  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2015, 03:44:13 PM
Made front page of foxnews.com

Not there any more (unless you're talking about that shitty isis link article). Link?
2411  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool on: November 26, 2015, 03:23:23 PM
Sorry guys, it's my fault. I finally got my rig stable. Of course there's no blocks...

What was the problem in the end?

Dropping the hash rate seemed to help. Plus the newer version of the firmware.

Though I'm not absolutely sure I'm completely stable now. It just seemed like a humorous time to say so.
2412  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 25, 2015, 02:44:25 PM
Price action two years ago today. A bit more stable than I was expecting...

2413  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool on: November 25, 2015, 02:41:40 PM
Sorry guys, it's my fault. I finally got my rig stable. Of course there's no blocks...
2414  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 25, 2015, 04:47:03 AM

According to my math, it's gone down HUGE over the last 2 years. Dimwit.

You've been waiting months to be able to say that.
2415  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 25, 2015, 12:22:16 AM

Bitcoin Visa doesn't charge hidden fees Visa typically charges retailers. This allows you to get ~5% discount, whenever and wherever you use it. Not 100% sure, but would make sense. Please correct me if wrong.

That doesn't sound correct. I believe Visa is a standard charge for merchants. Remember you're transacting in fiat, not Bitcoin.

I believe the card issuer gets the kickback (hence why every entity you associate with wants to get you to sign up for a CC) so it looks like they might be double dipping.

Which considering the low volume may not be that big of a deal.
2416  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2015, 09:50:48 PM

hm?  Well, at this point, I am of the belief that such a card should be free.... so I will be holding out from requesting such a card for the reasons I stated earlier or until my mind is changed.

I would likely only consider such a thing if I was receiving substantial payments in Bitcoin. I guess it might appeal to filthy rich early adopters.

What might be interesting would be a fiat CC which gave rebates in Bitcoin.
2417  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2015, 06:26:02 PM
I wonder how Bitmainīs shipments of S7s have been going. Maybe they have quite the backlog. If that is the case itīs of course very bullish for difficulty looking forward. Maybe weīll see one exahash by March or even sooner. And what the heck comes after that...yedi something? Probably by next fall. Just kidding  Grin

At any rate; exahash is a given in the next 3-6 months I guess.

So does a rising price follow a rising hash rate? Or is it vice versa? Obviously there's a corollation when you look at the charts.

Price first. Then miners adjust. Though there are other things that factor into it like supply of ASICs and competition between producers.

The hash rate also increases due to increasing efficiency in ASICs.
2418  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2015, 05:05:02 PM
If only this site had a competent owner. How did he manage to get a stranglehold on the major forms of Bitcoin communication?
2419  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2015, 03:56:50 PM
If you meant from one day to another then, sure.

Trolls work by cherry picking data. If you were buying a soda at a store with $10, until you got your change, they would say you were $9 down.
2420  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 24, 2015, 04:15:12 AM
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