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2421  Economy / Speculation / Re: Just moved half of my funds off Bitstamp back into nice safe and warm Bank Konto on: March 17, 2014, 06:32:46 PM
In the not so distant future bitcoin will be 900$
then you will realize this is a buying opportunity and send your money back to the exchange
by the time your money arrives at the exchange price will be have double
you will still buy in, because you understand the market, and because bitcoin.

 Wink

Spot on.

Also, "in the not so distant future" will probably be around late April/early May, so I also think Mat didn't pick the smartest moment to withdraw all funds. But let's see, if there's one consistent theme to his posts it's that he changes his opinions pretty quickly (nothing wrong with that, btw. better than being permanently stuck in either bull or bear mode, imo)
2422  Economy / Speculation / Re: [ 24 feb report ] bitcoin price theory proposal on: March 17, 2014, 05:52:06 PM
Finally got around to reading your original post, gbianchi. I remember skimming over it, not being too impressed, but wanted to go back to it. Glad I did that. I really like your idea of basing the model on non-empty addresses, and your argument in favor of doing so.

One question: did you calculate the R-square value for your model? (If you did and posted it already, I didn't find it, my apologies then.) Would be useful to compare it to the (more common) time-based lin regression models that others have posted.
2423  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2014, 05:23:06 PM
Could we make the polls a little bit more serious ?
That is, leave "yes", "no" and "idk" but remove the moronic all caps options ?

poll? serious? you must be joking  Grin

adam, how about the following poll:

"Should wall observer polls be more serious, and without the moronic all caps options?"

a) yes, I mean: no! Never!

b) never.

c) HODL ALL THE COINS! (also: never)
2424  Economy / Speculation / Re: Something, something, something, technical analysis on: March 17, 2014, 05:10:52 PM
You love changing thread title, don't you?  Grin

Anyway, I'm due for some bubble really, I need some adrenaline  Cheesy

My little daughter asked me some questions about our new house today, her plans for ner new rooms etc., I hope that is a sign  Grin

Damn you for calling out my clever ruse to trick people into thinking something new (and of value) has been posted. *shakes fist*
2425  Economy / Speculation / Re: Something, something, something, technical analysis on: March 17, 2014, 04:55:13 PM
What if I told you...

(Morpheus meme)

... we already broke the December downtrend, but nobody noticed it.




Yes, that's median price, not candles. Deal with it. Also, don't read too much into it, I know I don't. Just the byproduct of my fumbling attempts to see the similarities and differences between this bubble cycle and the ones before. For example, I noticed that the idea that at the end of the initial post peak downtrend we must immediately see signs for a clear uptrend became somewhat fixated in my mind. Perhaps a mistake.
2426  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: BitcoinWisdom.com - Live Bitcoin/LiteCoin Charts on: March 17, 2014, 04:17:09 PM
A Million thanks for providing the UTC time option!!!

Don't thank him, *pay* him.

... if only there would be some cutting edge payment system that would allow you to send him a nice little tip across the globe for little to no transaction costs... guess we still have to hope for some genius to come up with one

:D
2427  Economy / Speculation / Re: Methods of Prediction on: March 16, 2014, 11:09:27 PM
Glad to see your post OP. I always like to see less common approaches to TA.

Care to elaborate a bit on your ANN method? How many layers? Regular feedforward ANN or recurrent network? What's the input and history size you train on?
2428  Economy / Speculation / Re: somebody please take this guy to the cleaners on: March 15, 2014, 11:22:40 PM
I fail to see how this bet proves bitcoin is or isn't a mirage?

Especially since, as someone on r/bitcoin correctly pointed out, the guy is essentially asking for half of the resolution value of the bet being paid out in BTC. In other words, economically it only makes sense for him to take the bet if he assumes that BTC price is somewhat stable or growing, otherwise he would be wiser to just put his money into the BRK-A share directly, instead of going through the effort of executing this bet.
2429  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Coinorama.net - BTC markets & network charts + blockchain browser on: March 15, 2014, 01:33:34 AM
Looks great! Really love the clean new design.

Not sure yet what the additional functions (e.g. "network activity tracking") are useful for, but I'll find out :)

Tip on the way, by the way.
2430  Economy / Speculation / Re: Low quality stir fry of price analysis. Get it while it’s hot. on: March 14, 2014, 07:31:34 PM
The plot thickens. Triangle closing, or maybe broken already to the downside. I don't think we're going to break through the December downtrend this weekend, but if whatever dip we might see over the weekend doesn't take us below ~600 I can see a continuation like shown below for the next week to 10 days, where we finally break through the LT downtrend and have a retest of 700. CMF, order book, even bitfinex stats all look pretty good, there's just not enough momentum, and we're a bit too overbought, to go through it *right* now.




by my figure, this isn't a proper triangle consolidation pattern because the drawn resistance doesn't have enough points of contact. this looks much more like a micro-bubble started by the large movement up to $710. i expect a relatively sharp movement down to mirror the movement up, retracing at least 61.8% of the way back down to the $530 support, which confirms your target at the $600 support.

we shall see...

--arepo

That's the December downtrend I (and many others) have been going on about forever... I didn't zoom out far enough to show the (3 to 4) points of contact because I assumed by now everyone agrees that it is a valid trend (even though it might be undecided how much staying power it has).




EDIT: I just re-read my post. you're right, since I didn't mention it is the December downtrend, it was misleading. My mistake.
2431  Economy / Speculation / Re: Low quality stir fry of price analysis. Get it while it’s hot. on: March 14, 2014, 11:46:23 AM
The plot thickens. Triangle closing, or maybe broken already to the downside. I don't think we're going to break through the December downtrend this weekend, but if whatever dip we might see over the weekend doesn't take us below ~600 I can see a continuation like shown below for the next week to 10 days, where we finally break through the LT downtrend and have a retest of 700. CMF, order book, even bitfinex stats all look pretty good, there's just not enough momentum, and we're a bit too overbought, to go through it *right* now.


2432  Other / Meta / Re: Should newbies be restricted again? on: March 13, 2014, 07:00:44 PM
I've already posted a few times about this in the other thread, the one that announced that newbie restrictions are lifted, but I'd like to summarize it once more here:

I would really love to see some form of a simplified 'approval' system for new users: Newbies are at first restricted to only post in a dedicated 'newbie' board, where ideally they should be asking questions about the protocol, how to securely set up a wallet, etc... just generally posting and showing that they can adhere to good form.

Now, any user who is a member for, say, 1 year or longer can go there and 'approve' a newly registered account. The standards for this 'approval' should be rather low: it doesn't mean we would only approve new accounts that made super-smart posts, but rather that if you see an account that has 5 or 10 posts, and is not yet approved, and you get the impression he's well behaved, you 'approve' him, i.e. he can post anywhere in the forum.

If that never happens, then after some time (say, 1 week maybe) the account is auto-approved.

The result would be that decently behaving new users would get approval more or less immediately after making a few posts in a restricted forum, and those who are too lazy to do that will eventually be able to post as well -- but hopefully the *impatient* trolls would have it harder.

The idea behind the above is a bit like how some of the Wikipedia projects have 'sighted' versions of articles: anyone can edit an article, but it takes an established account to confirm that an edit wasn't spam/trolling, and mark the article as 'sighted'.
2433  Economy / Speculation / Re: Challenge: if you really are a guru, post trades in real time on: March 13, 2014, 06:02:41 PM

The problem with your argument, as with so many game theoretic derivations, is that it assumes a "static" setup, and then derives conclusions that are correct for the simplified setup, but not necessarily for reality. In the case under discussion here, I could construct a "meta meta" game where, given enough time, effort and actual ingenuity you could create a flock of followers with an account that allows you to exploit their group behavior, while also keeping track of diminishing returns. Once you become convinced other are onto you, you continue the game with a new account, with a new set of "followers". The previous is not so much a practical suggestion (if you are good enough to gather followers that easy you probably don't need to manipulate to make consistent profits), but to point out that the conclusions drawn in many GT derivations based on a finite set of premises can rather easily be picked apart.

your argument is sound. there isn't much more to be said of the various metastrategies involving inducing other market participants to make a certain action other than the fact that they are unstable. you point out that if you are able to pull off such a dynamic strategy then it is at least feasible to profit from it, however you're doing far more than simple market manipulation at this point. i suppose the limits of my argument are to simply state that the idea that "market manipulation = profits" is not sound under basic game-theoretic formulations of the trading game.

edit: also deriveable from my original argument is that this metastrategy is more unstable the more efficient the market is. as such, there is a hard limit to the profitability of the dynamic metastrategy imposed by the cleverness of the other participants enforcing efficiency.

--arepo

good point. but keep in mind, the discussion started because someone wondered why anyone would "share" his privileged information status. the answer was: to profit from predictable reactions your information sharing causes... but for that to be the justification, one only needs to believe it to be profitable to do so (marginally even, maybe), it does not necessarily have to be significantly profitable.

Probably runs down to the question how efficient you believe the market, and how rational you believe market participants, to be. I don't have such high opinions of either of the two (and that includes myself, by the way :D)
2434  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 13, 2014, 05:54:50 PM
WTF guys, a legit 2k wall appeared at $630 and no one comments?

This is the first time in a long while (relatively) that $600 had more bid support than there was resistance to $700.

Jup. Nice jump in bids, finally. Maybe we finally manage to break through 650 after all. And stay above it, I mean Cheesy

2435  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: BitcoinWisdom.com - Live Bitcoin/LiteCoin Charts on: March 13, 2014, 05:40:32 PM
Hey, btcwisdom... quick question.

Any chance you could implement two small buttons, "+" and "-" to zoom in exactly 1 step, and zoom out 1 step, respectively? Or maybe just map the same function to the + and - keyboard keys, without visible buttons?

The reason: on most of my devices (phone, Macbook) I use a trackpad, and when zooming in and out it can be really tricky to get the zoom level you want like that... I spend usually a minute or so until I get the right level.

It's not such a huge deal.. if it's too much effort to get it to work, forget it. Just would make usability a tiny bit better, in my opinion.

EDIT: I should maybe add: I'm sure I'm not the only one with a trackpad only device (smart phone or small notebook), so I suspect others might have a similar experience.
2436  Economy / Speculation / Re: Challenge: if you really are a guru, post trades in real time on: March 13, 2014, 05:30:53 PM
Information leak can only hurt one's competitive position.

this. game theory, guys.

No way. If one is good, he can only gain following to help him to move the market where he wants it, at least a bit.

i'm fairly confident that (in general) any price manipulation would be costly, not profitable.

your scenario is discussed in the section titled "The Trading Metagame". the example i used is manipulating trading signals in indicators, but the analysis is relevant to any method that relies on inducing a certain action by other traders.

the take-away is that while this kind of manipulation may be able to yield profits in the short-term, it is unstable. that is, it cannot be performed consistently to yield profits.

--arepo

The problem with your argument, as with so many game theoretic derivations, is that it assumes a "static" setup, and then derives conclusions that are correct for the simplified setup, but not necessarily for reality. In the case under discussion here, I could construct a "meta meta" game where, given enough time, effort and actual ingenuity you could create a flock of followers with an account that allows you to exploit their group behavior, while also keeping track of diminishing returns. Once you become convinced other are onto you, you continue the game with a new account, with a new set of "followers". The previous is not so much a practical suggestion (if you are good enough to gather followers that easy you probably don't need to manipulate to make consistent profits), but to point out that the conclusions drawn in many GT derivations based on a finite set of premises can rather easily be picked apart.
2437  Economy / Speculation / Re: Goomboo's Journal on: March 13, 2014, 05:07:33 PM
oh come lebing

trading the one day cross would have been a stellar strategy looking back, and Goomboo has harangued readers to DYODD all along

Especially because the majority of the last third or so of this thread has been about finding, on our own, optimal parameters for a CO strategy. Lebing's assertion only makes sense if goomboo would have aggressively pushed for a particular set of parameters (say, the "traditional" 20+10 hourly)... but he never did that, saying quite early already that you should backtest parameters that give results you are personally happy with.

As for the psychological motivation people might have to share any information... it's not that difficult to see that a combination of altruistic willingness to share your knowledge, and maybe a bit of satisfaction if people like your work, i.e. express their respect/admiration, could be motivation to post here, besides financial incentives. Not everything a capitalist does needs to be motivated financially :)
2438  Economy / Speculation / Re: We broke the February downtrend. How about this one? on: March 13, 2014, 04:58:01 PM
I like that chart a lot, because it looks like a graph of human psychology, and in bitcoin that's still really relevant (imho).

So I have nothing to add! Every day goes by it feels like this bottom was already in. I'm happy with the coins I bought in the 500s, and that is something I could never have imagined myself saying last year. In fact I recall specifically deciding against buying on the crash from $266 to under a hundred, because I just couldn't get my head around pay $90 for ONE bitcoin.

Wish I had your optimism. I guess I can see some positive signs (other than that we're not trading near 500 again, of course), like a CMF recovery similar to the one in July 2013 (see chart 1), but on the other hand I really wish the 630-640 (24% retracement) area would start providing support finally (chart 2). So far, it seems that we touch back into and below it without much effort... and that's how the long slide down started from Jan 7 to 14 as well (same fibo level, not same price level of course).

I lost my appetite for trading a bit right now, so I'm sitting on my hands anyway, but in my view we have about one more week to decide whether we're staying above the next retracement level for good (i.e. we don't dip back below 630/640), and if and when that happens, I'm going to be a bit more optimistic.

We also have that looming December-to-now trendline (chart 3), and we'll have to figure out eventually if that one turns out to be still active... if the resistance at around 650 keeps throwing us back down, I might start betting on a continuation of the downtrend/consolidation after all.



(1)




(2)



(3)




EDIT: I guess there's another positive view on our current situation, if you look at the retracement steps from the January peak to the recent 400 bottom. The 24% level was taken back almost immediately, and the most recent jump to 700 solidly put us up one level higher (38%, above 627, where we stayed for most of the time since the jump up). The next level, 50%, at around 700, will have to fall eventually, and I have no way of telling if the upwards pressure is strong enough for that, but I'm just mentioning all of this because previously I only looked at the retracement levels of the latest uptrend, but never looked at it from the perspective of the 995 to 400 downtrend.


2439  Economy / Speculation / Re: This isn't a price poll, but rather a How sure are you that BTC will succeed? on: March 12, 2014, 04:49:19 PM
How sure are you that BTC will succeed?

Let me elaborate.

Succeed as in it will reach $5,000 or greater and it will reach main stream adoption.
As for figures, let us just say at least over 20 Million users from the current estimates 2-3 million users as of March 2014.
As for time frame, lets say within the next 2-3 years from this post's date.

Phrased like that, in its generality, I wouldn't know how to answer your question...

"Mainstream adoption" as a daily used currency when you do your groceries?

"Mainstream adoption" for Internet-related business transactions?

"Mainstream adoption" for Internet-related business transactions, but not for the end user but by being the backbone of the transfer system (similarly to how Linux effectively is the OS that runs the Web, even though the majority of users has another OS)

"Mainstream adoption" as a store of value (assuming volatility reduces, or becomes more predictable), but not as a daily used currency?

My point is, mainstream adoption can mean a huge number of things, and the fact that I believe one or the other scenario is possible or even likely has no bearing on how likely I consider another mainstream success scenario.

EDIT: if you mean however how likely it is that there will be 10 times as many users as there are now, where "user" allows for our current usage (speculative asset, some trading/payment activity), then I'd say 90% or more likelihood.
2440  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 12, 2014, 02:54:45 PM
Just noticed the new volume option on bitcoinwisdom. Smiley

May I suggest heading over to user/bitcoinwisdom's profile or the official btcwisdom thread and leave a donation. The guy and his website are awesome, imo: he's quick to react to (reasonable) suggestions (the volume(quote) was suggested by me some days ago, he implemented it in *no* time), his website is up and running with high reliability, and it's a breeze to use (like the very intuitive line tool). well worth a small donation /shameless plug

I agree completely. I have been using tradingview and was blown away after i found bitcoinwisdom.

I use both, tradingview for the long term view and analysis, but I go to btcwisdom daily. Also: trading calculator is fantastic.
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