The 0.05 aren't fees. I think they were test sends to make sure the address and all else was ok. After a couple of confirms the remainder was sent to the confirmed address to bring it (usually) to a round 5k.
Doesn't explain why 5k when that wasn't the lot size.
exactly, does not make sense.... it would seem to infer that there was coordination in the bidding, it would seem...otherwise it seems too symmetrical (everyone that won, happened to bid on a 2k lot and a 3k lot) Odd. Unless the coins are going to move again of course (2K to x and 3k to y) Unless multiple addresses belong to the same person/syndicate and the amounts have just been split, still does not explain why all to 5K amounts , (not even sure this is allowed to have winning lots sent to multiple addresses ,surely the gov would be like, yeah that is your job bucko?) It is odd about Draper and his 2K, either he/mirror are the non payers, or Draper/Mirror won more than one bid for 2K, or the coins are still yet to move again (?) But it makes no sense to send a test and then the full amount to an address that is still your own, only for it then to split it again. If the 0.05 was a test, surely these are likely to be a new owner's addresses. Depends on how anal/mental/paranoid the person in charge of the transfers is , we are talking about the gubermint here  |
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hah... do you read this thread very closely ? I am certainly not a perma bear, nor a fud spreader lol... but then I am not here to fanfare either, if there is a chance a 2K block did not sell (or did not get paid for) then that would be interesting , is all.. and yes I know it sooooundsss FUD like/perma-bear talk, but it ain't , just speculation bro. Like I said, I tend to lean towards the blocks all selling.
Did the US marshalls say they had 144K of Bitcoins from Ross himself?
so the 99,999 just split into 11 lots (there were 11 bidders!?) could have been split 52K back to storage , and 48k sent to winners (the 11 addresses + the 52 K , add up to is the 100k and then the 44 K in the address 12pfPVkSNPb49Ez6GDuc4DuDdw4WCDCVef is the remaining of the 144k from Ross??)
I dunno,pure speculation tbh
so here is the breakdown so far 144k coin https://blockchain.info/address/1i7cZdoE9NcHSdAL5eGjmTJbBVqeQDwgw?offset=0&filter=0split : 99.9k coin 1N8kzYynsCsXvNEZ25ZhwUgvDNpfUG8Md5 ------------> 1E9QDjSzUMuYdy4vePXxZhmkGeopkm1VfZ - (Spent) 99,999.898 BTC 193cMMMsnfPp1NAdnud9tJCk9WTBVXL6Nw - (Unspent) 4,999.948 BTC 1Cg9JmZzve5kX5mQoSy1kznA2DrHtTS1aF - (Unspent) 4,999.949 BTC 1AonDxGgP6mk79YYgP3kZvjo5p7LWX77Q2 - (Unspent) 4,999.949 BTC 1JhbFzMs2eAQHeuQZAkMCNvk2ZyZQiCeRw - (Unspent) 4,999.949 BTC 1L5RoTFTEupVJ8uVuFrDEJE3aN2D7T9nLQ - (Unspent) 4,999.949 BTC 1Ltb2vCU8bEg62vZzhvQeUxLLYzUXRXTfi - (Unspent) 4,999.95 BTC 12yyGP7aHeJL18rzSXXaQ94uX5vN34t4iq - (Unspent) 4,999.95 BTC 1CkrQEuoo7vX4YKjNPkgWExnRwEp9fVPaP - (Unspent) 52,000.403 BTC 19tjMYDuuwyBbUA3mo3FpKw7pQp7A1aR4T - (Unspent) 4,999.95 BTC 1PxEeikjqCU2L5nS5vxAuMzhLqYx5erVuB - (Unspent) 4,999.95 BTC 1MFz2bnUzPRXUZmi4JaCi9J1Gvgp883mH4 - (Unspent) 2,999.95 BTC 44.3k coin 12pfPVkSNPb49Ez6GDuc4DuDdw4WCDCVef ----> 14s1hWojRPUgeT2Q8D2JAGATmajaZqgBuJ -----> 1CaGxqCQv2ofqLf37HCUQoLujzRMaz74LK - (Unspent) 44,341.12194935 BTC yes... so just the mystery of why the 48 vs 52k split today, my guess, 2k back to storage along with leftover 50K, and I would hazard a guess, that will be due to a fuck up on someones part (computer said no) and that the 2K will end up being moved in next few days, when either the transaction completes or the next person in the que has been informed and sent over the spondoolies .... remaining mystery = Draper and his 2K, it would be too funny if Mirror messed up the payment, but either they did, or Draper and Mirror won more than 2K |
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The 0.05 aren't fees. I think they were test sends to make sure the address and all else was ok. After a couple of confirms the remainder was sent to the confirmed address to bring it (usually) to a round 5k.
Doesn't explain why 5k when that wasn't the lot size.
exactly, does not make sense.... it would seem to infer that there was coordination in the bidding, it would seem...otherwise it seems too symmetrical (everyone that won, happened to bid on a 2k lot and a 3k lot) Odd. Unless the coins are going to move again of course (2K to x and 3k to y) Unless multiple addresses belong to the same person/syndicate and the amounts have just been split, still does not explain why all to 5K amounts , (not even sure this is allowed to have winning lots sent to multiple addresses ,surely the gov would be like, yeah that is your job bucko?) It is odd about Draper and his 2K, either he/mirror are the non payers, or Draper/Mirror won more than one bid for 2K, or the coins are still yet to move again (?) |
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Something not right about that. Wierd ... all the lots of about 5k and 3k have small amounts deducted for miner fees. That 52 k is odd tho ... Maybe someone made them an offer they could not refuse for an extra 50k over the weekend (Draper ... 2k + 50k = 52k) Still does not explain why the total is over 52k and not under as you would expect after fees Could they even do that, without auctioning them? Do they not have some sort of fiduciary duty ? Answers on a postcard ... From the USMS announcement: Transfer Fees. Any transfer fees associated with the transfer of the bitcoins will be paid by the buyer. The buyer will be given an opportunity to select the amount of fees charged in the transfer. They seem to use a 0.001 0.0501 BTC or 0.05 BTC fee. So, someone who bought 3000 BTC will get 1999.999 1999.959 and 0.001 0.0501 will go to the miners. Note that only 48'000 of the 50'000 BTC were split (into nine 5000 BTC chunks and one 3000 BTC chunk). That is why the leftover of the 100'000 BTC is 52'000 BTC. Does that mean that the USMS thought that the bids were too low? Or that one of the bidders defaulted on the payment? EDIT: fixed fee amount ? otherwise they have been shafted royally |
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I hear ya Jorge, loud and clear
Yeh, that 52k + change does not fit the pattern.
unless 1 lot did not sell, or unless some wise guy has not met payment deadline, then it makes sense... |
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Something not right about that. Wierd ... all the lots of about 5k and 3k have small amounts deducted for miner fees. That 52 k is odd tho ... Maybe someone made them an offer they could not refuse for an extra 50k over the weekend (Draper ... 2k + 50k = 52k) Still does not explain why the total is over 52k and not under as you would expect after fees Could they even do that, without auctioning them? Do they not have some sort of fiduciary duty ? Answers on a postcard ... From the USMS announcement: Transfer Fees. Any transfer fees associated with the transfer of the bitcoins will be paid by the buyer. The buyer will be given an opportunity to select the amount of fees charged in the transfer. They seem to use a 0.001 BTC fee. So, someone who bought 3000 BTC will get 1999.999 and 0.001 will go to the miners. Note that only 48'000 of the 50'000 BTC were split (into nine 5000 BTC chunks and one 3000 BTC chunk). That is why the leftover of the 100'000 BTC is 52'000 BTC. Does that mean that the USMS thought that the bids were too low? Or that one of the bidders defaulted on the payment? oh christ I see what you mean phoenix1 ..... the shame ..... the shame <cries self to sleep>  |
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Maybe they had the 100k BTC in an address, and the idea was going to be to send 50K split to the new winners, and 50K to a new storage address..... maybe one of the 2000 blocks did not sell? and so is being returned with the 50 k to a storage address?
(who knows though, i have not looked at this, nor thought about it very hard tbh ^ just first thing that comes to mind + I kinda lean towards thinking the lots would all sell, so probably some other explanation, actually thinking out loud here, but what is with the 4999.95 BTC amounts, if they were all going to be distributed to winners, would that mean that winners all won 5K ie 2k+3k bids? if that is the case then seems all very symmetrical to me)
I thought of that, but did not want to come across as a permabear troll FUD spreader! Like you, I also think it is unlikely. Why hold back 2k? Yeh, the distribution is also wierdly symmetrical  hah... do you read this thread very closely ? I am certainly not a perma bear, nor a fud spreader lol... but then I am not here to fanfare either, if there is a chance a 2K block did not sell (or did not get paid for) then that would be interesting , is all.. and yes I know it sooooundsss FUD like/perma-bear talk, but it ain't , just speculation bro. Like I said, I tend to lean towards the blocks all selling. Did the US marshalls say they had 144K of Bitcoins from Ross himself? so the 99,999 just split into 11 lots (there were 11 bidders!?) could have been split 52K back to storage , and 48k sent to winners (the 11 addresses + the 52 K , add up to is the 100k and then the 44 K in the address 12pfPVkSNPb49Ez6GDuc4DuDdw4WCDCVef is the remaining of the 144k from Ross??) I dunno,pure speculation tbh |
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Something not right about that. Wierd ... all the lots of about 5k and 3k have small amounts deducted for miner fees. That 52 k is odd tho ... Maybe someone made them an offer they could not refuse for an extra 50k over the weekend (Draper ... 2k + 50k = 52k) Still does not explain why the total is over 52k and not under as you would expect after fees Could they even do that, without auctioning them? Do they not have some sort of fiduciary duty ? Answers on a postcard ... Maybe they had the 100k BTC in an address, and the idea was going to be to send 50K split to the new winners, and 50K to a new storage address..... maybe one of the 2000 blocks did not sell? and so is being returned with the 50 k to a storage address? (who knows though, i have not looked at this, nor thought about it very hard tbh ^ just first thing that comes to mind + I kinda lean towards thinking the lots would all sell, so probably some other explanation, actually thinking out loud here, but what is with the 4999.95 BTC amounts, if they were all going to be distributed to winners, would that mean that winners all won 5K ie 2k+3k bids? if that is the case then seems all very symmetrical to me) |
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<really boring shit with jonoiv desperately trying to be right in some way>
<boring shit where empowering tries again to show jonoiv the light again> Oh no, not this again  Just accept being wrong jonoiv, it can be liberating, try it  jeez tough audience tonight |
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did you read it "The Second Bitcoin Auction" and "27 Bids" it was published yesterday. It can't be 30k and 27 bids and be a repost. How can someone repost from July with facts about the number of bids (27) for a second auction 5 months in the future. Like I said, they wrote the article yesterday and got their facts wrong / mixed up. A bit like you really. sigh.... You posted this article, and tried to make out like it was in someway correct, people pointed out that it was not, myself included and I quote "I think you will find he copied the headline and pasted from here" note the same headline , to the piece you posted originally... the headline from July, stating that draper had won, that is what this was about right?? He was not even bidding for the entire lots, the headline was old... and the articles, written yesterday or not, were full of shit.. I think I have my facts in order, and really I am not sure what you are trying to say? I am saying headline old, draper did not win the entire second auction, and it was obvious from the get go that the article with old headline was full of shit. That is all. |
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Yeah thanks for that... I have the numpty on ignore for a reason = because, v boring.
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I met some Chinese the other day. Fairly young, technically minded. At the end of the meeting, i asked:
- Have you heard about bitcoin?
- Yes it's forbidden.
- Well China is the biggest bitcoin country, with the largest exchanges...
- There are some black markets, but it's forbidden.
- ... and the largest mining operations.
- It's forbidden.
- That's just CBOC trying to talk it down...
- No it's forbidden.
Did you give him a slap? No. He gave him his laundry. Hory sheet......racist |
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I met some Chinese the other day. Fairly young, technically minded. At the end of the meeting, i asked:
- Have you heard about bitcoin?
- Yes it's forbidden.
- Well China is the biggest bitcoin country, with the largest exchanges...
- There are some black markets, but it's forbidden.
- ... and the largest mining operations.
- It's forbidden.
- That's just CBOC trying to talk it down...
- No it's forbidden.
Did you give him a slap? That's forbidden I could have told them there were no microphones in the room, and asked again. while secretly recording of course (evil) ...or - these days you can't be sure. Spies everywhere.  <locks self in black zip up bag> |
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I met some Chinese the other day. Fairly young, technically minded. At the end of the meeting, i asked:
- Have you heard about bitcoin?
- Yes it's forbidden.
- Well China is the biggest bitcoin country, with the largest exchanges...
- There are some black markets, but it's forbidden.
- ... and the largest mining operations.
- It's forbidden.
- That's just CBOC trying to talk it down...
- No it's forbidden.
Did you give him a slap? That's forbidden I could have told them there were no microphones in the room, and asked again. while secretly recording of course (evil) |
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Talking of giving someone a slap
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I met some Chinese the other day. Fairly young, technically minded. At the end of the meeting, i asked:
- Have you heard about bitcoin?
- Yes it's forbidden.
- Well China is the biggest bitcoin country, with the largest exchanges...
- There are some black markets, but it's forbidden.
- ... and the largest mining operations.
- It's forbidden.
- That's just CBOC trying to talk it down...
- No it's forbidden.
Did you give him a slap? |
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Looks at the date and the number of coins ... that was the last auction ... sorry It's 29 mins old according to google.  I don't care how old the URL is ... read the article ... FAIL EDIT : Or just believe it anyway and buy lots of coins cos a URL on google said so ... your call The article was posed today. that's actually a fact. It had 6 views before me, and now it's 40 views. One word = repost (I could post the magna carta if I wanted to, still would not make it new(s)) |
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Looks at the date and the number of coins ... that was the last auction ... sorry It's 29 mins old according to google. Google has directions to Mordor too, plus about a billion other bits of nonfactual BS. |
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and who said that Draper win 2000, there is not 2000 instead 2999 btc
