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As others have already said, copy and pasting isn't a mistake and staff shouldn't have to waste time giving people warnings for this. It's probably one of the worst sins you can do here and people should just read the rules because there's no excuses for plagiarism and you should know or expect that this isn't acceptable under any circumstances. This is a discussion forum, not a place to copy and paste other's content. If you do that then you're doing it for only one reason: to get paid. It's pure greed and laziness and if you're the sort of person that does this then we don't want or need you here as you aren't interested in contributing anything worthwhile. The only amendment I would ever consider to this rule would be either the permanent or long-term removal of the signature and you can still post, and maybe after 6/12 months of contributing you can get it back if you've earned enough merit or something, but even then maybe you shouldn't be allowed to claim bounties either. Regardless, I would suggest people just read the rules and stop fucking copy and pasting then you won't be permabanned and the problem is solved. Staff don't like having to ban people for this but there needs to be harsh message sent that this isn't acceptable at all and those caught will pay the ultimate price for doing so.
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I am sorry for everthing. i realizemy mistake, i just got fear as my all work lost, so i make excuses. IF Possible forgive me and i got the lesson.
But if possible, Unbanned me. Thats all i am requesting.
It's not going to work. It wouldn't be fair to everyone else. If we unbanned you then everyone else who has been banned for the same would also expect the same. The only thing I would personally be ok with regarding these situations is if theymos implemented signature bans where your signature is removed either forever or for x amount of time but you're still allowed to post in the meantime, but that's not possible right now. Create a new account because that's the best advice you've been given. You don't need that specific account to claim bounties or do translations. But I still stand by my opinion about the the work here, is not really ok to rely for income on this forum alone, especially in his situation (25 yo and no RL work experience?). I've had a few health problems a few years ago, without health coverage it would take...about 6 years of signatures to pay it off. Mortgage, kid...no way I could depend on something that might get seized out of the blue.
Some people don't have a choice. I live in the UK and it's not that easy to get jobs here, even with decent qualifications. I know people with college educations that couldn't even get jobs in factories packing shit into boxes. Sometimes people take the best they can get, and making money here should be a blessing, but sadly people abuse that in the worst possible ways. People should treat their accounts like gold dust and not do anything to jeopardise it here, especially if the forum is so important to them. When people do stupid shit like this it's baffling to me because they've just bitten the hand that feeds them and I doubt they'll find a better opportunity than this. It's pure greed and laziness and you'd think they'd know better. Yeah, the forum can offer great income if you play by the rules but once people start getting easy money they indeed start to get either lazy or greedy as you said, what the OP did is more like the common situation than an exception and not only around here, as unfortunately I had to deal with a case like this in my own family in RL  You had a family member banned from here or am I misreading that? |
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If this forum is your only source of income then you'd think you'd do a better job of making sure you didn't lose your 'job'. You got greedy and lazy and decided to copy and paste and this 'younger' brother excuse if bullshit. Blows my mind how easy it is for people to make money here but yet they're still too lazy and greedy to actually put any effort in so they just abuse this privilege in the worst possible way. Your account won't be unbanned so you're just wasting your time.
Hi.. I know you face this type of excuse everyday, and i make you believe. Please have a look at my past work and make more than 4000 post but never got banned not even in the signature campaign. But this time i am really handed my quickx signature campain to my brother. Please admin trust this time, i an not greedy just make the mistake to give my brother to make post only this time. Please gave me one change Nobody believes your excuse, but you should be more careful about who you give access to your account. You only have yourself or your "brother" to blame here (if he actually exists (which I doubt)).
Oh, and although hilariousetc already mentioned, I must repeat :
You must be INSANE to rely solely on WORK on this forum!!!!
That wasn't my point. My point is that it's insane to ruin the chances of him being able to earn here, especially if it's your only source of income which I would have no problem with if they actually played by the rules or contributed something worthwhile here. It's like being lucky enough to get a job at a company then you spend then entire time there slacking off and cheating by plagiarising someone else's work, then crying about it once you get caught and are fired. I honestly don't think there's probably a better site on the internet than here for earning money and especially as so easily, and all you have to do is post. But for some people that's even too much for them and once they realise they can get away with something they do it. That is until they get caught and then punch themselves in the face with their laziness and greed. Baffles me. |
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I think this is why we should up the requirement to ten before they can have a signature
Just restrict signatures to members and above. Well that's exactly what I wanted in the first place. One merit is fine to move up from Newbie to Junior rank, but not to be able to get a signature and start earning here, especially when it is so easy to abuse. Anyone can beg, buy or trade a solitary merit but ten is obviously ten times more harder to get (or ten times more expensive). I think we should remove signatures from Junior members and see how that goes. If people are still abusing it en mass we can then remove signatures from Members eventually and then let's see how easy it is for them to beg or buy 100 merits before they can start earning here. Now that really would make a difference. |
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If this forum is your only source of income then you'd think you'd do a better job of making sure you didn't lose your 'job'. You got greedy and lazy and decided to copy and paste and this 'younger' brother excuse if bullshit. Blows my mind how easy it is for people to make money here but yet they're still too lazy and greedy to actually put any effort in so they just abuse this privilege in the worst possible way. Your account won't be unbanned so you're just wasting your time.
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Browsing through the forum, I come across quite a number of quality posts in mega threads which goes unnoticed, and unmerited.
Could we have more presence on merit sources in those boards and threads which are just recovering from the spam attack of Tue past few months. This would encourage posters on those boards and lead to a general cleansing, and also quality posters would be rewarded, regardless where they post.
Well that's just the reality of the situation. There might be some good posts in those sorts of threads, but not every good or great post is going to get merited (especially when it's subjective). I make plenty of good posts that don't receive any merit at all but that's just how the cookie crumbles. I get plenty of merit for other posts as will any other poster, and good or great posters should probably have no trouble in ranking up quite fast, but the merit system is more to stop the worst of the worst of posters from getting anywhere and it's fairly successful in that. If you come here and post pure nonsense or just collect bounties constantly then you will get nowhere and be a permanent Newbie and that's a good thing. If you want to move up rank then you're going to have to start making worthwhile contributions but if some of your posts don't get merited then is it really such a big deal? Just keep making quality contributions and if you're a good poster then you'll get them for other posts eventually so just keep posting and the merit will come. |
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It's a little crazy how a lot of users on here care about magic internet points though. Maybe there is some psychological thing about a fascination with points, because it seems to be a thing on every social platform. I remember how even decades old forum software had those reputation points, Reddit has karma, Facebook has likes, etc. It's like nobody builds anything social without some sort of point system attached so users can compare the length of their virtual dicks. Maybe this explains how Bitcoin caught on so well when it was unknown, because it was pretty nice and somehow satisfying to own a lot of useless internet currency, but the more people thought that way the less useless and more valuable it eventually became.
By magical internet points you mean merit? People only care about merit because that's the thing stopping them from earning here (or earning more). People always like to be rewarded with things though, especially for effort, and even more so when there's financial benefit to them. This sort of thing goes back to my very early schooldays. How many people used to get some sort of points as a reward? We had a thing called 'gems' in high school which teachers awarded for good work or behaviour. Once you got x amount you actually got things like Bronze/Silver/Gold/Platinum certificates once you achieved like 100/500/1000 gems over the year or whatever. Some of them came with actual rewards like McDonalds vouchers and book tokens and shit like that. Merits (and ranks) are now like the adult version of that and have significant consequences on how much you can earn here from bounties and signature campaigns so that's why people are so desperate for them or even irate about the whole system when it prevents them from earning. |
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Copper Membership is like, what, $10-$20? Hardly a money spinner so there's probably not much that can even be done with it. It theymos wanted to monetise the forum better he could do so in a multitude of ways. You could have more ad slots (which he seems to be against) and also implement more donator ranks like Silver and Gold membership which would come with the benefits of things that come along with being a Full and Hero member (avatar and bigger sig more specifically). You could charge a premium for those (hundreds of dollars) and I'm sure they would be both very popular and a huge source of income for the forum. As theymos has said before, the forum doesn't seem to need money, but that probably won't last forever and the money could be used to fund worthwhile projects instead or even just 100% given to charity. I think more donator ranks are something we should consider because it would pretty much eradicate account farming and account sales and also severely curb merit buying because most will just buy the rank rather than go though the shady and scammy process of buying merit (or accounts) where most people just get scammed anyway.
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I don't know whether it's just down to trust or what I just don't buy that. If we are that worried about assigning new moderators, then just start a few people with very limited power (say, deleting only newbie posts in a specific board only) for a probationary period, say a couple of weeks. Then move up to any posts. Then move up to moving posts to other sections. Then move up to locking threads. Etc. Etc. Even if someone suddenly went on a rampage (highly unlikely) and locked every thread in a board, then you can just demote them and undo all their actions. Or start some new mods in Off Topic. That board is a complete mess, and even if someone went rogue and nuked every thread in there, it would probably be an improvement. If they do a good job there for a few weeks, move them up to a real board. Or put a threat of temp-banning any new mod that goes rogue/does anything malicious. But seriously, given the numbers of people who clearly care about the forum and spend hours of their time for nothing reading mind-numbing shit to report, I struggle to believe he can't find a handful of people to moderate. It's not a money issue, as he's previously stated about potentially dropping the forum advertising slot altogether. So I just don't understand why we are letting some boards be permanent spam fests with no discussion that most senior members won't even visit, let alone post in. Well I agree, but trust issues is something theymos has mentioned briefly before, but I don't know whether theymos was on about it's hard to find trustworthy people to do things like the coding of new software or stuff like the accounts/legal dealings here that goes on behind the scenes. I was talking more about making new Admins than just mods though, who would obviously need to have a higher level of trust when you have access to IPs and can restore access to accounts etc. Regular mods obviously also do need to be pretty trusted but there's probably not that much damage they can do other than delete posts etc and would be found out pretty fast and dealt with if they were abusing their position. Posts can easily be restored as well. I get the feeling theymos doesn't really trust anyone to deal with admin issues though because why wouldn't new admins have been made already? (then again, I guess we could ask the same about why more mods haven't been added to meet demand either). We wouldn't have had the issue with accounts not getting restored if one or two other people could be dedicated to restoring accounts. Not addressing these issues though just makes the forum worse and worse in the process. The forum obviously needs both more of mods and admins so that's something theymos should prioritise because there are obviously people here who care about the forum and can make it better in the process and all that is required from theymos is the initial decision that will then free him up for stuff only he can be trusted with (like the coding etc). He must get annoyed at all the constant PMs that he gets from both users and staff for things that he doesn't have the time to do and if he doesn't then distribute that workload which is the most logical answer to the various issues we have here. |
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There's probably some merit abuse going on here as well: Merit summary for Early_Waffle Merit: 100 Sent in the last 120 days September 02, 2018, 05:34:06 PM: 1 to SoCuteBoy7 for Re: Oтчeгo "aмepикaнцы" имeют бoльшoй вec. August 12, 2018, 01:51:57 PM: 5 to Khiceog for Re: Пoкyпaть ли лoтepeйныe билeтики? July 25, 2018, 11:35:08 AM: 3 to SkillOfToper for Re: Цeнa биткoинa в бyдyщeм? Пpoгнoзы! July 25, 2018, 11:34:31 AM: 3 to ay.postnov for Re: Peжим cнa. July 25, 2018, 11:33:52 AM: 3 to drakewear322 for Re: Чтo дeлaть, ecли нa paбoтe cкyчнo? July 25, 2018, 11:33:07 AM: 2 to Downgrade12345 for Re: B нaшe вpeмя бeз мaшины никyдa? July 24, 2018, 04:46:09 PM: 3 to Litefoxx1698 for Re: Oдинoчecтвo - нaгpaдa или нaкaзaниe? July 24, 2018, 04:45:48 PM: 3 to a.begun0v for Re: Кaк пoбopoть ycтaлocть!😀😁 July 21, 2018, 03:58:26 AM: 2 to buksbunny77 for Re: Ecть ли тoлк oт витaминoв? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1785491 SoCuteBoy7 February 01, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1785467 SkillOfToper February 01, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2045553 ay.postnov April 19, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2045134 drakewear322 April 19, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2045019 Downgrade12345 April 19, 2018, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2045100 Litefoxx1698 April 19, 2018, SoCuteBoy7 received 5 merits from Downloaded for three different posts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1367434 Downloaded December 01, 2017 Who also sent five merits to: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1379266 Hiylchis December 04, 2017 Who also sent five merit to: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1374549 Khiceog December 03, 2017 Who sent five to Arcanefist: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1372318 Arcanefist December 02, 2017 This probably goes much deeper. |
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User: Early_Waffle Copy: Well-known in the crypto community, trader and analyst Ton Weiss gave a "moderate" forecast for 2018, saying that the price of bitcoin will reach $25,000. He stressed that it was too early to talk about six-digit figures in the current circumstances.
( Archive) Original: The well-known trader and analyst Ton Weiss gave a “moderate” forecast for 2018, saying that the Bitcoin price would reach $25,000. He emphasized that it’s still too early to talk about six-digit numbers.
( Archive) There's probably some merit abuse going on here as well: Merit summary for Early_Waffle Merit: 100 Sent in the last 120 days September 02, 2018, 05:34:06 PM: 1 to SoCuteBoy7 for Re: Отчего "американцы" имеют большой вес. August 12, 2018, 01:51:57 PM: 5 to Khiceog for Re: Покупать ли лотерейные билетики? July 25, 2018, 11:35:08 AM: 3 to SkillOfToper for Re: Цена биткоина в будущем? Прогнозы! July 25, 2018, 11:34:31 AM: 3 to ay.postnov for Re: Режим сна. July 25, 2018, 11:33:52 AM: 3 to drakewear322 for Re: Что делать, если на работе скучно? July 25, 2018, 11:33:07 AM: 2 to Downgrade12345 for Re: В наше время без машины никуда? July 24, 2018, 04:46:09 PM: 3 to Litefoxx1698 for Re: Одиночество - награда или наказание? July 24, 2018, 04:45:48 PM: 3 to a.begun0v for Re: Как побороть усталость!😀😁 July 21, 2018, 03:58:26 AM: 2 to buksbunny77 for Re: Есть ли толк от витаминов? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1785491 SoCuteBoy7 February 01, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1785467 SkillOfToper February 01, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2045553 ay.postnov April 19, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2045134 drakewear322 April 19, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2045019 Downgrade12345 April 19, 2018, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2045100 Litefoxx1698 April 19, 2018, SoCuteBoy7 received 5 merits from Downloaded for three different posts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1367434 Downloaded December 01, 2017 Who also sent five merits to: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1379266 Hiylchis December 04, 2017 Who also sent five merit to: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1374549 Khiceog December 03, 2017 Who sent five to Arcanefist: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1372318 Arcanefist December 02, 2017 This probably goes much deeper. |
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Spurs vs Barcelona is the only game I'm interested in today. I think Barcelona might actually win as Spurs are missing a few players and Barca favour big pitches and Spurs are still playing at Wembley. Not sure whether to go for the draw or not though.
Well to say I wasn't that confident I'm off to a pretty good start so far with two correct scores from the two early games. The only trouble is six others also got the same results haha. Another seven players got one score right and the outcome. Real Madrid game is going to be an interesting one. I could even see a Moscow win with all the Real players out but not got the balls to back them. Russian crowds can be very lively and often give the home team a boost so sometimes you've got to take that into consideration. The weather is also another factor as it's freezing there and ten o clock at night when it kicks off I think.
Yeah they started off with an early goal but judging by the way Real is playing, they feel confident to win the game although the minutes are passing. I had this as a draw 1-1 but then changed my mind to 1-2 at last minute. I also had 2-1. It seems only one person backed the Moscow win and even got the score right. I'm sure Real will demolish them at home in the next game if they have their full strength team out. |
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but if an individual post is deleted, either by a moderator or by the user himself, then the merits should get burned as @hilariousandco has said,
I will not agree with this because moderators are human of course that could commit human error in the process of deleting individual posts. If this will happen then there will be some members rank that will be demoted after deleting some of their merited posts? So, I do not think that it should be consider. I could be demoted too to newbie if it will going to happen. If a mod removes a post that is unjust and didn't actually break any rules then you can complain about it in Meta (as I'm sure you would) and the post can be restored by an admin. If a mod removes a post then it is usually for a good reason or that it broke the rules and that merit probably doesn't deserve to be given in the first place. because in that way, the one who sent the merits with the intention to abuse the system would get nothing back, neither the receiver would get any benefits out of that.
Merit abuse is something that should be stop but not in a way through deletion of the merited posts which considered as merit abuse. If the problem is all about stopping the merit abuse then I suggest to consider a system that will approve and dissaproved merit give aways. It could be a lot of work but this will ensure that merit will not be abused. Or else, there should be a control on how to give merits. 1-3 merits, for constructive and helpful posts. 4-6 merits, for sharing technical expertise. As we all know that technical aspects are being paid with high salary so we should consider also giving more merits on this posts . 7-10 merits, if it is helpful, constructive, encouraging, empowering posts, and sharing technical expertise. 11-50 merits - if the post was really brilliant and one of a kind post. We should not worry about this because we could report the post/thread if found that there is a merit abuse being done. Like there are lot of posts that receive 50 merits that are relatively not that good and that is clearly merit abuse. This is all completely subjective, and I'm not sure how you'd enforce it anyway. |
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NSFN stands for "not safe for newbies". If you're a newbie looking to earn your first merit this topic may elevate your blood pressure.According to merit stats we have sent ~22 thousand merits in the last 30 days. According to ban and nuke stats ~24.5 thousand merits have been "destroyed" due to permanent bans in the last ~2 weeks *: Ironically half of the bans probably came from being exposed due to them meriting their own alts. We should rename merits as 'alt' or "friend" tokens. I love how this guy excitedly boasted in Meta about getting merits, then as soon as I brought up the likelihood of him meriting his alts he quickly moved it to Off Topic and locked it  . I think that tells you all you need to know. Waste, but that's why it's created, to point out the quality poster and those abusing the system.
If you check for plagiarism before you give merit, probably big part of those wasted by mistake will be saved.
Yeah, I would advise anyone to do this if you have the time. I tend to dedicate a certain amount of time now to giving merits when I know I have time to check for plagiarism or not strictly plagiarism, but something that has been repeated to death or has been discussed recently. A common trend among newbies is to back a few pages, and just regurgitate a good reply hoping for some merit. I think this is why we should up the requirement to ten before they can have a signature because then giving out one bad merit here and there won't be such an issue. It's such a hassle having to google people's posts just to see if they're plagiarised, and if they're text-spun then you likely won't get a hit either. When one merit is all you need it's like Christmas come early for a spammer and you can get one all too easily and in numerous nefarious ways. Let's see them try to get ten on their dozens of alt accounts. It would make abuse much less likely to happen and also make it much easier to spot. One solitary merit will fly under the radar a lot of the time. |
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If Real Madrid cannot beat a team like CSKA Moscow which is far away from the Real Madrid team quality even with injured players , this is a big problem for Real Madrid and I think their progress will be cut very early from the Champions League.
CSKA in the national league is already six points behind the leaders with only 9 games played so they would want to focus more on the national league at this stage.
This game is going to be an interesting one. I could see a Moscow win with all the Real players out and they're already 1-0 up after only two minutes played. I have the score to be 1-2 so hopefully Real can turn it around. Russian crowds can be very lively and often give the home team a boost so sometimes you've got to take that into consideration. Also as Pab said, the weather is also another factor as it's freezing there and ten o clock at night when it kicks off I think. Roma, Bayern and Benfica are all also currently 1-0 up. |
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Don't forget to put your scores in for today's and tomorrow's games. I think predicting the Champion's League is ten times harder than the Premier League. Some teams I'm just not familiar with at all. Then there's some injuries and suspensions you've got to take into consideration. Juventus are missing Ronaldo and apparently Real Madrid have a load of players out to injury. Man United are playing shit, but then Valencia aren't doing great either and are fourteenth in their league. Really not sure what to go with for a lot of these games and there's too much to research really so I guess I'll just have to go with gut instinct.
Yup... It's not really worth looking into each fixture just to make an educated guess. It's the group stages. Things will get pretty pretty interesting startng at the KO stages tho. Can't wait.  Well to say I wasn't that confident I'm off to a pretty good start so far with two correct scores from the two early games. The only trouble is six others also got the same results haha. Another seven players got one score right and the outcome. Real Madrid game is going to be an interesting one. I could even see a Moscow win with all the Real players out but not got the balls to back them. Russian crowds can be very lively and often give the home team a boost so sometimes you've got to take that into consideration. The weather is also another factor as it's freezing there and ten o clock at night when it kicks off I think. |
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Lol. C for effort. Why do I get the feeling that these are alts - sorry, "friends" - of his: Merit summary for manfredmann Merit: 9 Sent in the last 120 days September 27, 2018, 09:36:09 AM: 1 to PlusOne88 for Re: We can totally eradicate poverty if we TRULY want to. September 18, 2018, 05:22:42 AM: 1 to Piggymonster for Re: Why some people treat BTC as ponzi scheme? September 17, 2018, 11:45:11 PM: 1 to Ondongeric18 for Re: Do you still support Ethereum? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1713011 Ondongeric18 January 19, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1838159 PlusOne88 February 15, 2018, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1786049 Piggymonster February 01, 2018 |
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