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2461  Economy / Economics / Re: The number of jobless people has crossed one million in US - worrying sign? on: August 23, 2020, 08:06:57 AM
After a few days of Coronavirus the unemployment rates in US rised to around 20% but after a few days the charts neutralized and went to 10% again but I thought that number was manipulated by the US government to show a great picture for the upcoming elections. Now once again number has risen to around 12% which obviously means US is in great trouble again. But truth is that this was bound to happen. No corporation would pay you if they are not getting any profits. No government can do anything about it.
2462  Economy / Economics / Re: Your economic outlook and your life for 2021 poll on: August 23, 2020, 08:01:49 AM
Actually the economic effect of Covid won't rectify itself in a span of merely a year. People who voted positive are just trusting their guts for a positive future but the truth is contrary. There has been a lot of money infusion in the global markets which is why almost every stock market around the world is behaving pretty stagnantly and looks pretty healthy but these markets aren't depicting the true health of their retail economies. Even the Central Bank Governor of India said that Indian stock markets are at a wide disconnect with actual economic conditions and will rectify. Moreover, another truth is that the GDP estimates of almost all the countries are going to see a sharp decline. Now in such a situation with infused liquidity and falling GDP conditions are going to become. Much more difficult for everyone.
2463  Economy / Services / Re: [OPEN] ZenSports.com | Signature Campaign - Sr. Member+ | Up to $50/Week on: August 20, 2020, 10:22:45 PM
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2464  Local / India / Re: People pay your Taxes - 2.0 on: August 20, 2020, 04:05:32 PM
First of all thanks for the great insight.  Smiley
I do have some doubts regarding crypro trading which I think you might have answers.
I want to start trading bitcoin on p2p website like paxful and lbc.
My projection is that my daily turnover would be 5-6 Lakh INR.
So is it better to start proprietorship firm and do transaction in the name of firm? If yes would I need to register for GST number?
So would I need current account for this much transaction?

Thanks.
 

This is a major issue generally faced by all the traders even those who trade on stock exchanges. Now my Opinion would be based on my Understanding of the Tax Laws and it's application with the current legal scenario of Bitcoin. It will be well backed by provisions so you definitely can make a case using it. So:

INCOME TAX
1. For stock traders there is a case law by Supreme Court where they determined that turnover of Intraday/derivative traders is to be calculated in a different manner.  Irrespective of how much you brought or sold. This is the manner of calculation:

 (i)You calculate profit/loss you had each day after squaring off the position.
 (ii)Total up all your profits and losses, by taking losses as positive. For Eg. these were your profits/:
          Profit/Loss             Turnover
Day 1:  ₹50000- Profit         50000
Day 2:  ₹40000-Profit          40000
Day 3:  ₹(30000)-Loss         30000
Day 4:  ₹(30000)-Loss         30000
Day 5:   NIL                        NIL
Day 6:  ₹20000-profit          20000
Total:   ₹50000-Profit          170000

Therefore your turnover was 1,70,000 while profit was 50k.

Pay Income Tax on 50k Accordingly and check applicability of Tax Audit according to Turnover calculated in this manner. You won't find this anywhere in the Income Tax Act/ Rules but Supreme court upheld this in case of F&O and is a very widely accepted practice for people who do F&O. But remember this was upheld by SC in that because they were of the opinion that no actual delivery took place. Same might not be accepted in case your AO is adamant in considering bitcoin a commodity rather than a Security. In such a case you might need to sum up the amount of Bitcoin you sell everyday. No matter if it reaches 21 Crores(considering 5-6 lakhs everyday). in such a case you might even need to get Books of accounts audited by a Chartered Accountant. But I would prefer you to go with the first option in my Opinion Supreme court did classify cryptocurrencies as Virtual "Currency"

GST

This is a much tedious issue than Income tax. if you consider Bitcoin as a "security" then it's exempt from GST hence no GST is chargeable. But definition of securities are to be read from securities from  Securities Contracts (Regulation) Act, 1956 which states securities include:
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"(h) “securities” include— (i) shares, scrips, stocks, bonds, debentures, debenture stock or other marketable securities of a like
nature in or of any incorporated company or other body corporate; 9
[(ia) derivative;(ib) units or any other instrument issued by any collective investment scheme to the investors in such schemes;] [(ic)security receipt as defined in clause (zg) of section 2 of the Securitisation and Reconstruction of Financial Assets and Enforcement of Security Interest Act, 2002;] [(id) units or any other such instrument issued to the investors under any mutual fund scheme;] (ii) Government securities; (iia) such other instruments as may be declared by the Central Government to be securities; and (iii) rights or interest in securities"
Now as you can see bitcoin isn't a security so GST is definitely applicable. Once again issues comes upon Turnover which as per me should be calculated in a similar fashion. So take GST number only when your sales exceed 20 Lakhs.

Registration as firm
Practically there is no registration for a sole proprietor except if required under GST. But so far I don't think you need any separate firm or something. Just open a separate bank account, current account is advisable not at all mandatory(You might need letter head/CA Certificate for current account). Make transactions from this account only.

This answer is based on examination of bare facts that you have presented to me. I would prefer if you PM me in case you need specific assistance with specific facts as interpretation might change in those circumstances.
2465  Economy / Economics / Re: What brings economy of a country down. on: August 18, 2020, 11:14:51 PM
Economy of some country fall due to they channel their economy in one area,what brings economy down is base on focusing in one particular sector not to be diversified in different sectors, so when that particular product fails to thread in market the way it's before, such country will be shortage of economy and the life of the people will be in danger base on things is moving wrongly to the country management,
And the way a country can be free from falling of economy is to spread their economy or diversified economy so that when one of the sector shutdown another will pick up.
There are basically two type of factors that could affect an economy. First could be the avoidable or man made factors I would say and others would be unavoidable factors. First one are the more prominent ones and they include lack of proper fiscal management by government and useless spending. Also other types of political instabilities can also be cause of such a economic slow down. Second one are the natural reasons which means the cyclic patterns of the Economy of boom, depression, revival and growth. However there are certain unavoidable factors like the COVID which was pretty much unexpected hit for every economy and several other natural calamities you can say.
2466  Local / India / Re: GoSats - An Attempt to Promote Bitcoin in India (What's your views guys?) on: August 18, 2020, 03:47:43 PM
1. This obviously is the same old strategy wrapped up in a new box of bitcoin based cashback.
2. I think these websites including google pay actually don't even give 0.1% of cashback of the total transactions you do. They are just like a casino with no provably fair guarantee. Lol
3. I think entrusting such a website with your bank account details as they are not registered in India.
The website doesnt't speak of any promoter or developer. Seems like they are looking for anonymity. The domain registrant is some "Internet computer bureau limited" which is of course a made-up name. The registration address belongs to something called Sure Limited of Diego Gracia. Diego Gracia is famous to most Indians for the US base in the Indian ocean. It was recently in news during the China standoff.

There isn;t much information on Sure Ltd except the name of a board member who is supposedly in Bahrain Telecom and goes by the name Ihab Anwar.

Do you guys think that a website or service of this kind should have so many layers of obfuscation?? For reference, compare this with the open mention of the Purse.io team.

I think they are hiding because of the current uncertainty in indian crypto space. Recently. I opened up an online bank account with a private bank and I was asked not to use it for crypto-related transactions. I was in the impression that those things have been solved after the supreme court verdict

Hey which bank did this? Why didn't you slam their face with supreme court verdict? I can send you the original 180 page verdict if you want to share that with them. Uncertainty doesn't means one can violate supreme court rules. Banks are obliged to obey such rules.
2467  Local / India / Re: Signature Campaign earnings and GST | People please pay attention! on: August 18, 2020, 03:39:28 PM
plz elaborate me the signature earning..
I am bit confused? Do you want to know what is the meaning of signature earnings or you want elaboration on the tax treatment of signature earnings? If you want to know what is a signature and signature campaign you can read the same here :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1684035.0

Alternatively if you want to know elaborative tax treatment of some issue kindly highlight that issue.
2468  Economy / Gambling / Re: Gamdom.com - 3 Million+ users - Jackpots, Rains - unique games modes on: August 18, 2020, 07:46:57 AM
I don't know the Hilo games it is my first time to play that game and I think that is unique game because most of the time the gambling sites have very common games. Having unique games is your advantages to the others but I suggested to have a common games too so a player will choose more games once thry play to your gambling website so they have different choices of gambling games.

Indeed I am still looking for the regular dice game (not the live one) where I can make an auto bet to my heart's content  Grin. But for now, I find crash game as a good alternative and enjoyed watching the line going up till it crashes. 
Like many Gamdom users who play the crash game here, I want to try it looking challenging, hopefully I enjoy it and feel comfortable playing, I really don't like heavy game graphics,
This is my bad experience on several gambling sites while playing so I'm not excited
The crash game is pretty entertaining and addictive I must say. While you make the calculations in your head regarding how far could the rocket go in next move the rocket always beats up your thoughts. It's highly unpredictable and this gives a good thrill therefore. Yesterday while I encashed myself at 10x saw the rocket going upto 160x. And when I wait for such a thing I usually crash pretty early lol.
2469  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to Buy Bitcoin Cheaper on: August 18, 2020, 07:34:04 AM
All traders want to always buy Bitcoin at a price cheaper than the market price. Apart from buying and selling on the ordinary, centralized crypto asset exchange, there is another option, namely a peer-to-peer exchange. In this exchange, asset prices are not “regulated” by the exchange manager, but directly by the users. In principle, a peer-to-peer (P2P) exchange is a crypto asset exchange that is similar to an online shop, aka a marketplace. The role of the stock exchange manager is only to bring together the seller and buyer of assets directly on one platform. In other words, for example, if you want to sell Bitcoin, you have a trading booth on that platform. It is also possible to place ads on that platform by specifying the selling price of the asset. The advantage of an exchange like this is that the seller is free to determine the selling price as he wishes and the buyer can freely look for price variations on the exchange. Buyers can even get a much cheaper price than buying on a regular exchange.
Wait a second? Isn't every transaction on every exchange a P2P transaction? We actually sell to someone who wants to buy it then what's the difference that you are talking about? If you are saying that the buyer seller can set their own prices then truth is that why would they set price above below the current market price? Both would want best for them? And even if one of them agrees to compromise that price could become the new Current Market price. Isn't that how a market is formed? If you think centralized exchange prices are manipulated try Decentralized exchanges. I think a direct dialogue with the other party would just make the process slower.

Edit: oh you are talking about local bitcoin type exchanges. They are highly risky and too slow. They should be and are used only when a person wants to sell crypto for fiat. And that fiat pair isn't listed anywhere. Wazirx in India allows fiat withdrawal in this way but the prices are really on the CMP you can expect a variance of around +/- 0.5-1% at max in rarest of cases
2470  Economy / Economics / Re: Warren Buffet bought “Gold” for the first time. When Bitcoin? on: August 17, 2020, 11:30:21 PM
Even though this might not give a clear hint about when he is going to buy bitcoin but one thing is pretty evident from this that the equity markets are in some danger maybe that's why he is trying to add on some low beta gold on his portfolio. Maybe the Quantity is low but still a historic move must be due to some reason. Because he never does any investment just without any reason. While about bitcoin I think until there is no regulation big Investors won't hurt themselves with litigations by entering in Bitcoin.
2471  Economy / Economics / Re: Fixed amount vs. infinite coins on: August 17, 2020, 11:25:50 PM
You are talking shit about gold - it is used as wealth storage against inflation because there is limited amount of gold available.
Same is with bitcoin or any other limited supply coins - they will be used only for speculation or storage.
Bitcoin will never be used for payments so it could not be used for real economy.
Economy needs working fiat / assets / currency used for payment and you need to control it by emitting new coins or burning useless one.
As soon as there not enough bitcoins and last one would be mined, there will no possibility to make transactions using bitcoins.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Gold is not used by everyone because it is inconvenient. It is impossible to pay 2.99$ for beer using gold bar. 90% people that you will ask on the street what "inflation" is and how high inflation is now and why will not know the answer. Don't tell me that people love fiats because government and banksters can steal money from them. Its stupid. They are using it because it is an official way of payments, and they are too focused on earning and spending it that they don't have time to educate how money work and why they are doomed to work till death because of banksters greed.

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A gold standard is a monetary system in which the standard economic unit of account is based on a fixed quantity of gold. The gold standard was widely used in the 19th and early part of the 20th century. Most nations abandoned the gold standard as the basis of their monetary systems at some point in the 20th century

Currency without inflation can work and was working for hundreds years.

We had gold standard before 1971 so you basically can't imagine how people leave 50 years ago? What happened after 1971?








source of all

Don't think that this is done to help the poor and needy

Sure, wages have gone up, but prices have gone up more.

The biggest inflation fault is that you are doomed to work till the end of your life. You can't be a smart 20 yo guy who earned 1 mln and retired. You have to work all the time because all your saving are secretly stolen by devaluating them. Your money are not yours. You have to spend them on useless shit (stimulating the economy in the wrong direction) and continue to work. You have to buy a flat that you dont need (China Has 65 Million Empty Apartments) just to put your money somewhere. You need to buy gold that you dont need. You need to buy someone debt and so on. To simply not be robbed by inflation.

Fixed amount vs. infinite coins

Fixed mount is dumb, because there will sooner or latter run out of coins.  Infinite supply is solution.  What matres is schedule that is set in stone before first block is mined and stay that way forever. So at any point we exactly know how many coins will be in existence at any time.

There is now way to run out of coins. I guess it is 10 times less possible than hitting hyperinflation. Maybe that's the reason why there is no hyperdeflation word ??
Even thought i can't completely disagree with your point it makes certain sense but yeah inflation is not a monster eating anything even if there would be zero inflation there still would be the similar return you would be getting in real terms.

coming to second part there might not be hyperdeflation but have you heard of  the deflationary spiral theory? A person spends money because it's remaining the same tomorrow or even getting cheaper. But in case of bitcoin or any other deflationary currency. Why would someone spend a deflationary currency? A currency which would become more dearer to me tomorrow. Moreover, at time when credit availability is the basic requirement of certainly every business how will economies work in case of a deflationary currency? We already know how easily credit is generated today.
2472  Local / India / Re: [INDEPENDENCE DAY RAFFLE] #7 - Pick a lucky number and win 0.001 bitcoin on: August 17, 2020, 07:51:43 AM
7 as usual
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2473  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🚀 Sportsbet.io - Get a Price ₿oost on every sport, every day! 🤑🤑🤑 on: August 17, 2020, 07:40:32 AM
This year the Champions League is very strange but team as Lipsia as shown a great football, this team deserve to be here, maybe Lyon should have been eliminated by Juventus but now they are there.
I honestly thought that Man City could win easily yesterday

I think there are few upsets in this year Champions League and it is not easy to predict and bet on matches. Since, the results are mostly unexpected, one can easily lose on the bets. I was not expecting Lyon to beat the favorite Man city by 3 -1 .
Do you think any of these unexpected events are due to lack of crowd support available to players? I mean generally Man city would have so many supporters with them which sort of increases the morale of one team and decreases that of other maybe due to lack of support we are seeing many underdogs overperform this year. But yes this makes betting risky yet more profitable.
I think so, for example Atletico Madrid is a very tough team when it plays at home, but I am not too much sure about Man City because there are a lot of people that are complaining about the tactics used by Guardiola yesterday, Man City seemed very unbalanced and some players were out of their position.
Yeah even Barcelona suffered a similar kind of defeat we shouldn't forget against Bayern. Even though they didn't play well but losing by 2-8 isn't something you will see in a crowded quarter final from Barcelona. Madrird too suffered a similar defeat so all on all I do think there is some crowd effect so I think this would be real football based on skills. Betting will become more interesting Lol.
2474  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do scams harm Bitcoin's reputation in the mainstream world? on: August 16, 2020, 09:03:35 PM
There has been a lot of scams within the crypto space over the course of its lifetime. Most recently, a Twitter hack that took the accounts of prominent figures within the mainstream world, has been all over the news. Mainstream media has been making people believe that Bitcoin is "bad" by tying it to the Twitter hack. While malicious actors demanded to be paid in Bitcoin, it doesn't mean that the cryptocurrency itself is a scam. Unfortunately, many people in the mainstream world have commented about Bitcoin negatively because of the recent hack. Despite these unfortunate series of events, Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are experiencing huge gains on the market.

Do you think that scams harm Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies' reputation in the mainstream world? What will it take for people to distance scams from Bitcoin itself? Thoughts? Huh
Definitely yes, I have had many communications with different people who are not involved in cryptocurrency. Most of them generally give this excuse only that these things are used for scams and fraud. I think even the media portrays it in such a way. The recent twitter hack scam was portrayed more as a bitcoin scam by many media channels and folks have the habit of judging a news merely by reading the headlines. But this problem unfortunately has no solution at all.
2475  Economy / Economics / Re: COVID19 VACCINE AND ECONOMIC GROWTH? on: August 16, 2020, 12:29:00 PM
It is known worldwide that russia had been into the last phase of the trials of Covid19 Vaccine. It already coordinated with other countries to participate in the last phase of trial and that is the mass vaccination of the said Vaccine for covid19. Some countries like Philippines is wiling to cooperate and even buy the Vaccine.

As I have read some articles about creating a Vaccine would take the usual time frame needed before it will be created and declare as safe could take up to several years like 5-25 years. In this case the Vaccine was being made rush and it could harm people especially in the plan for mass vaccnation. I can't imagine the devastating effect of the vaccine if found out later the bad side effects on human body. Like the Dengvaxia issue wherein most people get injected without dengue history will complicate dengue illness. The dengue will become severe when one injected with dengcaxia for those who had not been into dengue sickness before. The sad thing is that the vaccine effect will take up to 5 years. So, five years of being stress not to get dengue and a life threating vaccine being injected to the body is something awful.

Now, Covid19 vaccine could also be the same as with dengvaxia. I am not questioning the scientist or the russia tech and people doing their research on creating the vaccine. yes they are good but this is not about how they do the reasearch but the effect itself that is not still known and again vaccine making will take years before it can be declared as safe vaccine for the people.

Now, if the trial of this vaccine will come to your place and ask you to get injected by the vaccine for free would you do it? or not?

If it could be proven effective what do you think about the economy of all country which will going to lead now in the economic growth?

Edited -
Atleast talking about the economic growth. I think world economically has pretty much recovered from Covid. If you see the stock markets of every country they are at levels at which they were during beginning of Covid even the retail markets atleast in my area were flooded post lockdown opened. But yes if vaccine is proven to be effective we can see a big bull run in the economy as due to infused liquidity by almost every government there has been a lot of boost in the economies around the world. Rest it's too speculative to predict anything correctly as of now.

Talking about the vaccine part, I think it's somewhat choosing between the worse and the worse. Reminds me of a saying that harder choice is the choice between worse and the worst.
2476  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🚀 Sportsbet.io - Get a Price ₿oost on every sport, every day! 🤑🤑🤑 on: August 16, 2020, 10:35:53 AM
This year the Champions League is very strange but team as Lipsia as shown a great football, this team deserve to be here, maybe Lyon should have been eliminated by Juventus but now they are there.
I honestly thought that Man City could win easily yesterday

I think there are few upsets in this year Champions League and it is not easy to predict and bet on matches. Since, the results are mostly unexpected, one can easily lose on the bets. I was not expecting Lyon to beat the favorite Man city by 3 -1 .
Do you think any of these unexpected events are due to lack of crowd support available to players? I mean generally Man city would have so many supporters with them which sort of increases the morale of one team and decreases that of other maybe due to lack of support we are seeing many underdogs overperform this year. But yes this makes betting risky yet more profitable.
2477  Economy / Gambling / Re: Gamdom.com - 3 Million+ users - Jackpots, Rains - unique games modes on: August 16, 2020, 10:30:54 AM
I have added gamdom to my steam name before but I didn't know until now that gamdom have casinos games. I have known gamdom because I played dota 2 and wanted to earn dota 2 skins. In my country accessing gamdom is not a problem but some country might have problem accessing it and needs VPN before a person can access gamdom.

It's nice to hear that there are old gamdom users here not just because they opened their campaign recently.

But wondering if gamdom will explore their business in sportsbetting in the future? This I believe will be good addition to their lineup.
I think sportsbetting is generally different from gambling niche. Even though it's a good add up but their current idea should be to develop and sell their Unique selling point and Key Resource Area which definitely is Gambling. Their crash game is pretty decent. After the idea of crash games has come into existence only a few websites have very good crash games and Gamedom is one of them. So their current focus is to increase the quality and experience of users with games already on the platform. So I don't really think they would be trying to enter into this sports betting segment as it's a altogether separate business.
2478  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: August 15, 2020, 06:58:26 PM
^^ Oh boy many of us were expecting at least good-bye series but damn this pandemic, it ruined all the fun for fans. Its good decision tho and i hope we can see Thala in yellow jersey soon in the IPL.
I think it's the saddest news from cricket among this pandemic. I thought we could see him last in the T20 world cup that was scheduled to happen this year. The core of his career started after the T20 World cup 2007 and could have ended with a T20 world cup too. But nevertheless, I think he got pretty much well deserved applause throughout his career and no doubt that atleast on the performance metrics he is the Best Captain not only in India but throughout the World. Sad to see even Suresh Raina retiring alongside him. But yes I hope to see both of them playing for CSK in IPL in coming September which I am pretty sure BCCI are going to Organize.

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On the IPL issue I think one reason BCCI is so keen to have IPL is because they know that everybody being in lock down situation would give them ever high TRP. We already saw a few retro shows being played and getting huge TRP. I think BCCI is expecting the same from IPL.
2479  Economy / Economics / Re: China is winning the Economy Wars on: August 15, 2020, 06:44:20 PM
The Belt and Road Initiative is a scary neo-domination tactic that China is employing right now. This is a money trap for the poor countries (including mine) that promises prosperity but when in fact it is a ruse to take a piece of a nation's land.

Here is how I understood this money trap works. China is creating a new Silk Road that is not based of lands but most of it are in the water and air, they will offer help to third world countries by giving them funds to create infrastructures like ports, skyscrapers or airfields. There will be a timeframe for this help to be paid and as a poor country they offer exorbitant amount of money which is impossible if not difficult to be paid and then here is where the trap works, when the country can't pay the debt then the other option happens where China will have full control over the infrastructure including the land, basically they are buying lands from this nation without really buying it. Look at what happened to Sri Lanka when they haven't paid their debt.

What is the difference between China and Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany have a Swastika on their flag

Source for what happened to Sri Lanka: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40044113
Why only China and Nazi Germany? Isn't every country in the world doing this? How were the colonial Britishers different? How is US different? It's just that when a country other than the Allied Powers start to do this they always have Problem with that country and they try to show that country as a bad villain in front of whole the world. Atleast as of now I see nothing wrong in China's Belt and road Initiatives. These aren't naive countries and China isn't forcing anything on any country. Each country have properly set up government systems who are willingly taking decision to be part of OBOR. China hasn't forced any country so far diplomatically or in any other way. These countries agreed themselves. Yes Sri Lanka did lost the rights of Hanbantota Port but once again it was their own choice to take Chinese funding in first place. China atleast hasn't used Military like USA. Also India too is developing such a strategy called necklace of diamonds to counter China's strategy which too is pretty good. I don't understand why western countries always have problems with development in the east.
2480  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Crypto Trading Competitions? on: August 15, 2020, 01:44:01 PM
Wondering if there are any trading competitions going on for Cryptos. I'd be interested in taking part. Also, where to post if there is a competition going on(for crypto specifically).
There are actually two types of competition. One is that you need to mint maximum money in a given time using an initial which I think would be quite interesting concept but can't see any of them in cryptocurrency.
But yes generally all exchanges have a different type of competition that is to increase volumes of certain coins they keep a competition for maximum trading in that coin which according to me isn't that fascinating considering that a normal trader would never win that. I suppose you are not looking for such competitions?
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