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2481  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LTC price justification on: November 15, 2012, 04:43:28 AM
Am I the only one that sees a hideous crash in the not so distant future?

yes

I don't care if the price crashes, it's crashed before, it will crash again... overall hoarding it is just making me lots of cash though because it tends to go up.
2482  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LTC market cap? on: November 14, 2012, 09:49:27 PM
$858,291

or ~1% of that of bitcoin
2483  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Dead 7970 DD Fan Alternative on: November 14, 2012, 02:49:19 AM
I think I'm just going to order 2x 80mm 6w fluid bearing fans and tear these ones out... I have low hopes for their replacements and I can just put them back in when I want to RMA.  I'm not sure what the problem is, I think it may be that they're brushless and should be in any configuration except horizontal (gigabyte cards suffer from the same problem).  Fluid bearing fans have no such problems though.
2484  Economy / Goods / Re: [CHEAP] 12 Months NETFLIX Gift Codes on: November 13, 2012, 07:23:50 PM
Let me know if it works in canada, in that case I would want one too
2485  Economy / Goods / Re: [CHEAP] 12 Months NETFLIX Gift Codes on: November 13, 2012, 05:58:17 AM
Do they work in Canada?
2486  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LTC][Pool][PPLNS] - ltc.kattare.com - burnside's Litecoin Mining Pool on: November 13, 2012, 04:01:33 AM
still getting crazy stales

switched my miners to litecoinpool for now
2487  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: I miss GPU Mining on: November 13, 2012, 12:03:22 AM
Try turning your core clock down and the aggression up, I get higher hashes on a 7770 with 915 core / 1360 mem and aggression 19

For some reason high core clocks result in not being able to use high aggressions

You should be able to do 915 core with 965 mV too
2488  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Consolidated Litecoin Mining Guide for 5xxx, 6xxx, and 7xxx GPUs on: November 12, 2012, 07:26:25 PM
So, has anyone with a 7970 tried 915 MHz for core and 1360 MHz for RAM, thread_concurrency = 21000?  I think with these setting you might be able to crank the aggression up to 18 or 19 and get some decent speeds, but someone will need to confirm.
2489  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: I miss GPU Mining on: November 12, 2012, 07:23:21 PM
LTC could be alternative. Too bad HD 7970 is not stable doing them, atleast ad far as i know.

They work okay, but they get about the same kh/s as 7950s.
2490  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Anyone starting to sell GPUs? on: November 12, 2012, 07:22:09 PM
I've never had any ROI on all the other computer stuff I've put together in the last 18+ years either.  Grin Granted this machine is a bit more 'special purpose'. If the litecoin/bitcoin ratio holds (big IF), then the GPUs will help pay for it, other than that it is certainly an extravagance. I have ASICs on preorder (from BFL and bASIC) too so we'll see how that plays out.

I wouldn't be surprised if it does, or if it becomes temporarily more profitable to mine than BTC on a per watt basis.  I've been mining LTC for 12 months and it's always been profitable.
2491  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Memcoin Protocol (A CPU/GPU-oriented, very memory hard chain) on: November 12, 2012, 06:03:17 PM
I see 2 big problems here.
  • If it's Murphy's law you are working against you are doomed to failure. Murphy always wins and in this case I believe it would mean that ASICs will come out that run your coin BEFORE the software implementation is done.
  • Your memory requirements growing over absolute time will eventually outpace Moore's law leading to an increasingly impractical cost of participation that eventually require more RAM than possible.

The first one is a funny typo, but the second is a big issue.

At SOME point we are going to see Moore's law slow down and maybe even plateau as we reach atomic densities.  This protocol will just get more and more memory intensive until just scanning the blockchain takes millions of dollars worth of hardware, let alone mining. BitCoin solves this issue by NOT using time as an absolute factor, but instead Hashrate/difficulty. This means if Moores law stops working tomorrow or in 2050 the network will self-stabilize difficulty and available computing power.

I fixed that, thank you. Cheesy  I have been wondering this myself, as it's only 10 angstroms to a nanometer and we're moving to sub-10 nanometer design in the next decase.

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2 conclusions I'm drawing from this:
  • We need to prevent excessive computation from being required to validate the blockchain or operate as a client. The more asymmetric we can make the ratio of verification:generation the better the efficiency for clients compared to the mining effort
  • Don't tie ANYTHING to an absolute growth direction except the number objects. Assume that any adjustments that are made might need to be reversed in order to keep the network operating.

I suppose that's kind of the fail-safe of the bitcoin network with difficulty, that difficulty is always reversible instead of always increasing.

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Suggestions:

Maybe your difficulty adjustment should be a composite metric that includes harder targets AND more RAM instead of having them tied to 2 different events?

As far as increasing the ratio between computation and verification would it be possible to sign each block twice? Sign it once with a simple algo, and then sign block, simple signature, and nonce with the complex algo and retain both hashes. Mining could require full verification of the previous complex hashes, but that just needs to be for recent blocks.

Those are my thoughts so far, hope they help.

Well, I think a possible composite algorithm for difficulty adjustment could be a long term retarget for memory (35, 70, or 140 days) and a short term retarget (3.5 days) for difficulty.  The problem with this approach is that if the network becomes inundated with miners that the memory retarget could become too large and destroy the infrastructure of the chain.  I think if we're using 35 days retargets for memory that the maximum increase should be 5%-10% while the maximum decrease should be 20%-50%.

The last point I'm not knowledgeable about.  I think you'd need to have two symmetric merkle trees with both the simple and the complex hash.  The complex hash would need to be solved first, and then whoever solves it would have to solve the simple hash at approximately the same time (it'd have to be really easy to make it near instantaneous) and so would sign for both.  The simple "dummy" tree nodes would just contain data about who solved the block, what the transactions were, and what the network settings were at the time.  This would then have to be constantly evaluated by the master tree using "master nodes" with full hashing capabilities to ensure that both trees are congruent; this would expose the network to master node sybil attacks, though.  Master nodes would then be the source of the dummy tree to clients.

Probably any such network simplification algorithm is going to expose clients using "dummy trees" or other simplified merkle tree structures to this sort of attack.  As the bitcoin algorithm is facing a data storage problem eventually stemming from the same problem, probably a solution will be found for this sometime soon, I'm just not sure what it is.
2492  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LTC][Pool][PPLNS] - ltc.kattare.com - burnside's Litecoin Mining Pool on: November 12, 2012, 02:35:55 PM
Ddos has been really bad for the past 24 hours, averaging 15% stale
2493  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Will we be able to mine Litecoin with ASIC's? on: November 12, 2012, 07:05:05 AM
There's already been a lot of talk about this in the alt chain forum. Basically any ASIC made now, unless it has a massive memory bus and high speed ram e.g. gddr 5, will be really slow. I would guess it'll be a little more efficient, maybe 2x-10x. But anyone making an ltc asic really has an uphill battle against gpus because they're so damned cheap and fast.
2494  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Dead 7970 DD Fan Alternative on: November 12, 2012, 01:12:45 AM
The fans on my 7950 (same as this card) just died after one month of use.  That's both fans!  It's a little crappy if you ask me, I think they're using really cheap brushless fans.
2495  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Anyone with a lot of MH/s want to fork the TerraCoin chain? on: November 09, 2012, 06:56:42 PM
Well,

In the meantime,

Will someone please set up a merged mining pool?

http://poolserverj.org/ supports merged mining.

If I don't see one go up in a week or so I'll pay a pool operator to put one up probably.
2496  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [Pool] Coinotron - Terracoin subpool is up and running on: November 09, 2012, 04:41:16 PM
Can you merge the TRC pool with the BTC pool?  There's no reason you can't merge mine the two currencies.
2497  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LTC][Pool][PPLNS] - ltc.kattare.com - burnside's Litecoin Mining Pool on: November 08, 2012, 10:16:29 PM
Does number of submitted shares relies only on hash rate?
Because on burnside's I get ~3shares/min, but on coinotron I get nearly 10 times that.
both using cgminer.

It depends on the share difficulty and your hash rate.  Burnside has a higher share difficulty than coinotron, so shares take longer to mine and you get less per minute.  At the same time, you get paid more per share.
2498  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LTC][Pool][PPLNS] - ltc.kattare.com - burnside's Litecoin Mining Pool on: November 08, 2012, 07:05:38 PM
Hi
I am having a problem with the pool.
my current hashing power is nearly 1MH/s using GPUs. but the pool only shows ~300kh/s. is something wrong?


hash rate is based on number of share submits in a round as far as I can tell.  wait until after you've started a round to check the speed on the pool.
2499  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What should I mine? on: November 07, 2012, 03:52:02 AM
I have mainly 5xxx series cards at this point.  Terracoin seems to have "blown up" on the forums recently and it certainly sounds appealing.  I plan on checking litecoin out but heat generation is still currently a problem (I still mine in "regular" pcs with cases and will for a few more weeks) and so it is on the back burner.  What currency (also miner) do you guys think I should try?  I mine on windoze for now but plan on switching to ubuntu for some machines for the alternative currencies as I am about out of windows licenses.   

mine litecoin and crank down your GPU voltage, you'll be fine.
2500  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Anyone with a lot of MH/s want to fork the TerraCoin chain? on: November 07, 2012, 03:51:09 AM
I only have 3Gh but im down. Hit me up in IRC

I've got 2.5.  Only need another 45 to kill the network.
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