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2521  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin during pandemics on: March 18, 2020, 06:01:57 PM
Been seeing a lot of post about the COVID-19 and how it affects different markets like stock, oil and cryptocurrency
but I wonder if these things are just now or it happens every time there is a pandemic disease like this.

I tried to search for some charts that might help to analyze if there are really a direct effect on the bitcoin with https://cointelegraph.com/bitcoin-price-index

I'm not going to include the 2009 H1N1 pandemic virus since the bitcoin was created on that same year. I'ma start in 2012,
Middle East Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus (MERS-COV)

DATED from Jan1 to June31 2012 (6months)
Discovery of MERS-COV was in April, Seems like there isn't much effect on the price not until in June when it starts to increase ( about 20%)


Ebola Virus
Although it was first discovered in 1976, there is an outbreak happened last 2014.

DATED FROM Jan1 to June31 2014 (6months)
The price increased relatively.
Price dump in Feb but recovers in March where the first case of Ebola was recorded.



COVID-19
Discovered in late 2019 (Pandemic outbreak; Recent)


The price seems great in mid-feb and reached $10K but then it starts declining when things are getting worse with COVID-19.

The bitcoin seems unaffected by the first two pandemic at those time, while now the COVID-19 looks so impactful but why?
The relative increasing of price might be the root why such pandemic disease happen so rattling the crypto space.But then again we cannot assure these things.

I'll update this thread if necessary.

2522  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you think, India lifting the ban on cryptocurrencies will impact BTC Price? on: March 18, 2020, 04:06:23 PM
It could impact btc prices but not in the current situation. New investors dont want to bring their money in the industry
it will definitely impact the price of bitcoin one way or another. As more countries lift their banhammers on cryptocurrencies it's highly likely that prominent coins in the market pump in the prices. And India being a country with a large population density and much more people who are open to investing instead of saving. Cryptocurrencies, particularly bitcoin and possibly ethereum can thrive in their market. With increases of atleast 2% approximately. So statistically-speaking, India lifting their bans on cryptocurrencies may open huge doors for bitcoin to thrive in a new market.
2523  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Will you borrow money as your bankroll if you trust your skills in gambling? on: March 18, 2020, 02:33:28 PM
For my opinion, borrowing money is a very dangerous solution/strategy to get back our loss money in gambling, because we are not sure if it is surely to get back our loss assets and if we loss our borrowed money it may result into big debt and if the big debt continues you may be bankrupt and you’ll be get wanted by the authority.
So that in borrowing money is not really helpful I’ll suggested to use the own money to recover the loss assets instead of other’s money so that it will prevent you from a hard headache because of a big debt.

Indeed. Just because you have trust in your skills doesn't mean that you have a higher chance at winning the games. Trust/confidence is a good factor for success in gambling. However, it merely comprises the whole equation. So it's still most advisable to use disposable money when gambling to ensure that whatever you lose today wouldn't hurt your financial stability tomorrow. You gotta make sure that you still have food to eat and anroof to live in. If you will be using your bankroll perhaps I can suggest just flat-out investing the money on assets and even bitcoin. It's price is relatively low right now and it is the best time to buy coins as halving comes near.
2524  Economy / Economics / Re: If bitcoin is made for times like these why is everyone selling at a time like.. on: March 18, 2020, 01:33:49 PM
A mixture of panic and mass hysteria. It is clearly visible that people completely do not understand what is happening during the crisis, trying to find easy and simple answers for complex things.
People do not want to figure it out themselves and look for answers, but they are easily ready to go on about those who provide them with the information that they like, even if it is a dummy.

The same dummy as the idea that Bitcoin is a safe asset during a crisis.
The value of bitcoin is that during the crisis and after the crisis, its maximum number does not increase, while fiat currencies have already received a large increase in the form of printed bills.
Precisely. Bitcoin is just the same as any asset there is on the market. It has it's highs and lows. It just so happened that COVID-19 panic is something of large-scale that it had caused mass panic to all people. And this is the time where people will stock up on their supplies. So probably most investors here who sold their shares are the ones who used it for the quarantine. Most probably they'll be back when the situation becomes more stable. I repeat, bitcoin is no safe asset. It is but a profitable asset that can dump or pump like every thing else. It just depends on the market's situation and other factors which I wouldn't dig in more.
2525  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading is better than Holding on: March 17, 2020, 07:09:22 PM
Yes, trading is better than holding. But this is not true for all crypto user. Generally experienced trader should keep trading on and they can make profit from it. But when a newbie will try to trade continually without knowledge instead of holding, he will must loss. So holding is better for them who have not much knowledge about trading.
So in general, trading is winnable for half of the traders and does differently otherwise. In trading not every one is going to win, half will lose and the others will gain, this is the very basic aspect of trading that is why holding is the another option for some for those who does not want to gamble and take the risk of fluctuating market. Both are beneficial when you know how to manage it, it is just that holding takes more of the advantage.
2526  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: This is it , it's the end of cryptos on: March 17, 2020, 05:35:39 PM
Nothing happened to crypto aside general market including offline line market. I guess once issue with coronal virus subsides market will bounce back and everything would work normal. Whenever there's downtrend before tend to lament crypto is dead but when there's uptrend everybody feels crypto is everything. Let's learn to accept what goes up must surely come down and keep recycling. Nothing to worry about regarding market
This is for sure, personally I don't see anything wrong with the present market situation coz it happens everytime but also the global health problems is also a running factor up til now for the downtrend that is why we got so much of decline these past few weeks. Now people are acting weird as if bitcoin didn't reached the rock bottom, in fact there is where it began. The game is simple, buy high sell low, if you don't get it doors are widely open to quit.
2527  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I though Bitcoin was created for this moment? on: March 17, 2020, 04:34:31 PM
Nah, I don't think that was a reason for its creation. We know its existence something unknown but one thing I understand why it was created is just because to uplift the way we go into the next generation. We are already engaged in online scheme, that is how it functions but somehow it never catches attention to all and yet, it was just ignored by some.
The sole purpose of bitcoin was to be a currency and not an investment but with some factors and liquidation and volatility it became one of economic class. It was created to be used in online trading in a more modern society like what we have now, the vision of the creator of it is clear up to this point, what is unclear is the people who are using it.

May we could say that Bitcoin is meant to be helpful this time and show its function. But look at, people are selling it now or converted it into fiat currency. Still, Bitcoin isn't functioning and that thing can't imagine which supposedly its market demand tends to increase because people might be using it to buy stuff and other necessities.
With the global situation right now, bitcoin should be in use however people are crushing it by selling and dumping, but I guess their reason is acceptable the fact that we are in crisis now. I agree, bitcoin isn't functioning as what it should be doing during these times perhaps we are not seeing it yet.
2528  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do you use a trading Bot? on: March 17, 2020, 03:25:28 PM
Personally I don't use trading bots, I only trust myself. Trading bots are pretty various, some of them are not effective at all... Being a great trader means not using bots in my opinion. So, I don't like and don't use trading bots. But, I like trading tools like for example Galaxy Score available on CoinDeal, some of them are pretty useful.

I accept as true with you i do not usually use bots for trading because i feel handling bots seems more likely to harm Because the bot will usually do the maximum amount as you teach it'll not do anything beyond that and if we trade ourselves  we will analyze the profit by analyzing different places.

Not a bot fan but it will just do as what you set and will not go beyond because it is a robot not an AI. If we could just integrate the AI for trading now then everyone would be neutral, no one will win nor lose. But the thing is AI in todays world is on its early stage, I'm even afraid if we achieve to unlock the full phase of it, maybe it'll doomed us. For me it is still better to trade on your own, aside from you're learning from it you also have the decision and in trading there is no perfect plan everyone should have a turning point when everything does hurt, this is what the bots are incapable of.
2529  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Friday the 13th unlucky for Bitcoin too! on: March 17, 2020, 01:42:23 PM
It is just a mere coincidence that Friday the 13th and bitcoin price dip was on the same day. Reality still lies with the fact, coronavirus outbreak all over the world.
Sure it was you can't just draw conclusion behind these dates especially when there is nothing event on that particular time. You could've compare the prices of bitcoin in the near coming of halving every four years, like price on March 2012, March 2016 and now just like creating and concluding patterns. There isn't that much affect of the Friday the 13th, so what if its Friday the 13th?
2530  Economy / Economics / Re: Good news for bitcoin from India, should other countries also follow the suit? on: March 17, 2020, 01:01:09 PM
Banks are known to be enemy of crypto since from onset. They hate competition and things that might be revealing their cons and this is the reason while they see crypto as their competitor. It is a great move by the india court making them realize that it is unconstitutional. I strongly believe they might go far as banning and suspending customers account that trade or deal and recieve money from crypto exchange service to their bank and this might further cause sanction if they do that
Centralized vs Decentralized. This has been the very topic that is talked when crypto started to be known. Crypto is a threat to the banks, yeah maybe but we can have tokenization process and digital investments which aligns with cryptocurrencies. Now about a certain country's constitution is too broad to discuss as everyone has different ones, but one thing is for sure, these government did not foresee the coming of cryptocurrencies in the past. Perhaps we need to change the laws under constitution for these things.
2531  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Russia Banned Crypto Trading on: March 17, 2020, 12:31:45 PM


They're good  Cheesy Seem like its not just the Chinese that are making crypto users confuse about their laws.  What is surprising is that Russians are the ones very busy in blockchain developments just like the Chinese.
I just published last month about the Russian government taking over digital asset implementing laws and tokenization just like China and US, what happened? I thought they were doing good enough to compete with these major countries in cryptocurrencies adoption which will boost their country's economy. Seems like Putin is very confuse on what to do now with the trend.

But I don't think this is going to affect price. Its already down to its bottom, if it would then its gonna crush to hearts of the kids who invested at $10k.
A very dumb of me when I invested at $10K every one I know told me that, now that the price is kissing the floor I have nothing to do but wait until it pumps. Russian would not hesitate to still trade crypto that's for sure but somehow it would affect the price, perhaps their government would be strict about this one.
2532  Economy / Economics / Re: South Korea quarantines and burn their cash due to Coronavirus on: March 17, 2020, 11:59:21 AM

The virus is spreading even in my tropical country, it can survive under the heat.
Yes but not with so much heat, As I read through some articles the corona virus we have now cannot live more than 60 centigrade. But our body temperature, they can support the virus.

If the government says thier banknotes won't have value anymore, it won't have a value and can be burned. Its how easy it is for the government to declare they're nada. But its not right to just do that, there is no real news about what the government gave to the owners in exchange for these banknotes.  Stablecoin?
Won't have any value? As far as I know South Korea are burning cash just because it is from local banks which is prone to inhabited by the virus and so burning is the only way to eliminate it. It is easy for the government to do this but this is an extra effort which I want to commend, this is an added measure to prevent the virus from spreading from hand-in-hand contact.
2533  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How is Bitcoin useful as a currency if so few services accept it? on: March 17, 2020, 11:26:41 AM
I guess this is the time for bitcoin to shine!

Just earlier my neighbor told me that he cannot get the remittance money from his parents because of the calamity we have now, all the remittances center are closed due to the corona virus and banks are limiting the number of clients. So I told him then use bitcoin or any other digital payment processor on which case he does not know how to use any of those. This is where the problem starts, the ignorance of most to technology becomes a problem in such situation like this. Now that fiat is vulnerable to the virus to inhabit and has a high chance of getting passed I think this is the perfect time for bitcoin.
2534  Economy / Economics / Re: Can we agree BTC is not a store of value? on: March 16, 2020, 06:54:59 PM
One day it has the potential to be that one day. All the necessary elements are present.

As for the present fuck nooooo.
I can't get it no, are you guys only sees bitcoin if the price is above $10K? a store of value when high and not when it is low?
It's a toy, a bet and a plaything to obtain more dollars in the minds of most. I'm not sure who'll be left if most of those people clear off but they'll be back just as quickly if it's looking sunny.
Okay I see, you guys are just making bitcoin a playable investment as most of the people in here but wouldn't it not be too obvious if you call it not a store of value as of the moment because of the its current state? That is why it is called cryptocurrency , a currency in it, wasn't made for investment but it became when the volatility over take. Hope the crisis ends.
2535  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Binance Again 🔥 on: March 16, 2020, 06:23:48 PM
There should be more offers like this in other parts of the globe. Blockchain technology is not very familiar in Southeast Asia. So we expect some more education projects in this part of the globe. I know blockchain is still illegal in most of the South Asian region and I think this is because of the ignorance about blockchain in the people of this part.
Indeed because we need more help from exchange and other areas of cryptocurrency,we must be supported like what Binance is doing right now.
There so many Good deeds that Binance giving the community and no wonder why they are becoming the best exchange of our time.
Yeah. never seen a good exchange than this, you know things are better when it is in binance compared to other exchange coz the CEO is really responsible and accountable plus the admiration for cryptocurrency is at its finest. This is will offer a huge help to the targeted areas like south Africa. There is really no doubt why binance is the greatest at the moment.

Bnb token is the best investment since launch, it's never too late to join but I congrats those who jumped in right from the start, ICO price was way cheaper and look how far it has come, thanks to the team anyways, we need strong teams in crypto space but fake promises projects
Also the BNB coin outperformed many coin that is sitting for almost a year having a huge step taking the spotlight and caught the attention of investors.
2536  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Beware of fraud crypto analysts! on: March 16, 2020, 05:51:25 PM
Most influencers are under Dunning-Kruger effect because have no idea what they're talking about, it's foolish to believe those influencers if they don't give reason behind their analysis or their perspective is narrow (e.g. only think chart is enough to predict)

Let's prevent that from happening to us by learning how to read charts on our own and not solely rely on free and paid signals from random people on the internet.

Or look at event that related to the cryptocurreny or world/national event that could affect cryptocurrency instead.
Seeing tons of useless pieces in youtube and other medias lately and some people are believing on them like what the hell. There are reliable charts to based on and there is nothing wrong to be influenced, what is wrong is found at these influencer coz some are just doing it for their personal advantage towards their audience creating a big scam speculation and creating a back door. I'd better be spending time reading and analyzing than hearing any of these 'influencers'.
2537  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Corona Virus Created by BTC Whales on: March 16, 2020, 05:14:19 PM
Be carefull of your statements mate, your imagination may lead you astray.
I dont read articles about the virus and its motive in cryptocurrencies but this topic is not logical to comprehend.
I've been seeing a tons of conspiracy theory about the bitcoin and corona virus but this is just too much for me to contain. We know how the current health problem impacted and shook the markets not only the crypto market but also the oil and stock market, but assuming that this is all about the whales creating such disease just for their personal interest towards bitcoin and getting advantage is just TOO MUCH. Completely illogical.
2538  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: TOP 6 RULES IN CRYPTO TRADING on: March 15, 2020, 05:44:53 PM
There is only one rule:

Ignore anyone who blabs on about how to trade.
I have to agree with this but I also have something to reserve. Researching on your own may give you the best idea on how the trading really works but sometimes the idea of others can help to especially those who are longed. I personally have some techniques that I learned from traders I found in youtube that is making tutorials and ways, but most of the time I really search on my own like histories,charts etc. which I find more productive.
2539  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin Doomed ? on: March 15, 2020, 12:57:56 PM
1 year ago it was 3500$ I wouldn't call that doomed, but a good investement.
Absolutely true, bitcoin will be just doomed if another coin has taken its place at the top on which case like this it is unlikely possible. However, the price dump actually hurt me and my expectation for the bitcoin to enormously increase in times where there is a virus that could transfer hand in hand using fiat. It could've been the very best alternative for fiat to avoid hand in hand transaction that might danger anyone from doing so. This is not what I expected for bitcoin's price during this crisis.
2540  Economy / Economics / Re: Coin prices down 25% to 30% this morning. on: March 14, 2020, 05:00:49 PM
Good luck my friend, just remember to buy low and sell high.

The markets were crazy yesterday with the fall that is registered due to the global market turmoil happening due to corona virus. But market got better off when btc after falling to 3800$ range and then started to lift up and now trading at 5500$ price. Also a good price to accumulate on dips which will help you to make money with the rise and it is going to be the same pace rise as it has fallen.
These things are very positive with a good mindset and rational thinking. Imagine the prices are always high, who would be the one to speculate and inject in the market? Obviously none coz all of us will just wait. Actually it is good to see the price of dominant coin in the market gets low after the world crisis started to happen in the late 2019, it is actually a frontispiecing sign that we can grab.
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