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2521  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: We need a MrBitcoin like MrBeast to increase Bitcoin adoption. on: October 20, 2019, 06:43:58 AM
Your idea is great, however, it would take a lot of time to get traction. People already know fiat from the beginning, that's why MrBeast got hold of his large fanbase. But it has potential, and to know what people's reaction will be after given and educated to bitcoin would be beneficial to the market, increased awareness of the public and potentially increase the demand. Another problem is who, that one is willing to risk giving bitcoin from his wallet, started uploading in Youtube and may, or may not become a success.
2522  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: From financial debt to financial stability- thanks to bitcoin on: October 20, 2019, 06:04:12 AM
I admire your perseverance in life. Living your life must have been tough and I'm thankful for what I have today. We all start from small things and what I'm really impressed about your story is how Bitcoin became a part of where you are today. Pyramiding scams are in one time most abundant in the Philippines and many had invested in something they does not really know about or haven't done any research to their legalities. I hope future investors, reading in this forum, may learn also from your story, that besides being wary on your personal funds, is that no matter what, we should not give up, even how big our loss is. Great job and I hope you all the best.
2523  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin can be useful for a troubled economy on: October 20, 2019, 04:52:47 AM
Goldman Sachs: Bitcoin can be useful for a troubled economy

According to the report of Goldman Sachs, Bitcoin and other crypto-currencies can be a good alternative to the national currency for countries with an unstable economy.

 Analysts at Goldman Sachs Zack Pandle and Charles Himmelberg said that digital currencies and, in particular, Bitcoin, can become a viable means of payment in countries where traditional money is not sufficiently provided.

Goldman Sachs experts: crypto-currencies can help the troubled economy


But how will they earn bitcoin? Same logic goes to how they can earn fiat? Fiat or cryptocurrency, there must be a means to earning them. Sure, cryptocurrency could open up new opportunities but I don't think a large percentage could utilize it, especially for third-world countries. It does, however, provide ease in transactions, removing limits and intermediary. It could be, as it said, me another means of payment, but I don't really know if all of these would do better to a slow economy. Given that bitcoin transactions require network connection, and validation is not that fast, it will still be a theory.
2524  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Propagating bitcoin among indigenous populace on: October 20, 2019, 03:46:22 AM
I believe knowledge is power and this also applies to any ventured investment. Understanding one's indigenous environment first can help to establish and harness strategies on how to dispense information about bitcoin especially on the country economic stronghold amidst exploring the vastness of trade and building currency value. Finally, creating more platforms like this and involving the indigenous media with the true value that bitcoin as a crypto portrays will be of great economic help to the community and the nation at large.
Your idea is right but doing so is not an easy task. I think, before we even introduce crypto to indigenous people, we must first solve their primary problems. Lack of access to primary needs such as water, electricity and internet should be the first things to consider. Then jobs and education are what's next, people from these parts are having difficulties in finding opportunities around them because they're location are mostly remote areas and opportunities are there in the cities, which are crowded in third world countries.

After all that's been said, only then we can start to educate them regarding investments, where cryptocurrency could be one.
2525  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: how i can protect offline wallet ? on: October 20, 2019, 03:05:02 AM
my friends lost his coins from offline wallet when he was chatting online on facebook messenger
sure he can't restore his coin
so how can protect offline wallet ?
You need to specify more details. The flaw is not likely in the offline wallet. It could be, as already said, that the user has pasted the private key elsewhere. Online storage is not always safe, it depends on the person handling sensitive data and his practices in web usage. Number of attacks could be the possible reason of your friends loss. Some of these are phishing sites, suspicious links, or malware infected application installed on user's device.
2526  Economy / Economics / Re: Paper Money - The Greatest Scam on: October 20, 2019, 02:25:08 AM
I don't agree at some points. Even fiat is established only by the government, even it suffers from inflation, it all has its purposes. Inflation is not bad at all times, it makes people spend their money. Deflationary is bad in the end since people would just hoard, economy would stop, which is worse than what we have today. Government built centralized systems for people to follow, with tax powering the system, law enforcers are possible. It's not the centralized system that's corrupt, rather the people in position are those who are responsible why the system fails.

Imagine decentralized system in a country, no one would follow anyone, no government is just pure chaos. Don't expect all people would live in harmony and will think rationally because all of us have greed and corrupt ideologies on our own.
2527  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will it help bitcoin if we shift funds to it ? on: October 20, 2019, 01:34:30 AM
We are all aware that the bitcoin is the last hope when the other altcoins including Ethereum are struggling to survive and even bitcoin has not had any massive pump as it's fighting hard to stay on $8,000 despite numerous fluctuations but will it help bitcoin if we just move our funds to bitcoin which we have invested into altcoin as it will increase the demand of bitcoin if everyone can do that as this will literally do what the whales have been doing to increase the price when they want by creating the demand.
It could create a pump in the market, but I don't think it would last. Doing so what you have suggested would indeed increase market value of Bitcoin, but crash and probably remove altcoins in the market, which is bad in the long term. Altcoins somehow still help bitcoin's market to grow through trades, exchanges, etc. from bitcoin to altcoins. If no altcoins exist, bitcoin would only be exchanges to USD, or be used for transfers, which would slow down the market. Sooner or later, it would be no use, people would lose interest, its value won't grow and people may abandon it one point in time.
2528  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin for the World and Community on: October 19, 2019, 09:07:43 AM
Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in general could be used as a medium of donations to non-government organizations with visions to help the people or the environment. Since cryptocurrencies does not require too much fees, and transactions are almost limitless, acquiring help for those in need is easier than with central banks. It also helps the community send money without the need of intermediaries such as local money remittances, you can directly send funds to anyone you'd like as long as you know their public address.
2529  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Cryptocurrency is better than fiat currency? on: October 19, 2019, 08:24:18 AM
I can't really say its better than the other. They both have their own capabilities as currencies.

Yes, cryptocurrencies are gradually being accepted in the industry, but I don't think it's enough to be used globally and by everyone since not all still has access to the minimum requirements to transact in crypto.

Your #2 and #3 statements are almost the same. It just says that blockchain is secure. While this is true, you cannot deny that some exchanges, ICOs, and malware could still impose risk on crypto. Not to mention that transactions are irreversible, once you get scammed/stolen, there's no way you'll get insurance.

Fiat, as of now is better on handling smaller transactions where the need of crypto is not really necessary. Also, bitcoin's market is volatile, either you label the goods by USD and be able to pay using BTC, or change price by mBTC regularly, which isn't viable for small businesses to use.

One good thing though is it removes intermediary, which is good for transactions to anyone with minimal fees and no limitations.

Privacy and anonimity in cryptocurrency can be good or bad. It really depends on who uses it. For example, most markets in deep web (onion sites) use cryptocurrencies for payments to illegal activities.
2530  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: wait, who owns the market? on: October 19, 2019, 07:28:17 AM
No one owns it. No one controls it. The proponent of bitcoin, who has set all the ground rules, and the market cap, has now left. It's up to us to decide whether bitcoin would continue or just dip to death. It's about the investors, the users of the cryptocurrency which would decide its fate. If no one would want to use it, then that's the only time it would be dead. It's decentralized, it's in every single node connected to its network, we all share a part of it, whales can manipulate it but no one can control it totally.
2531  Economy / Economics / Re: K-POP Company owners are joining the train hype of Cryptocurrency on: October 19, 2019, 06:41:23 AM
It's great to see that cryptocurrency is getting more and more relevant and known to the public. These projects introduce them the system and how it can be an alternative investment. Given that it's an entertainment firm and their fanbase is huge, not only in Korea but also around the world since they do tours, this 'may' have an impact. But I don't think it would be significant as of now, it's still too early to say if this would become successful or not. Either way, it's still good to see that crypto isn't falling but rather, growing slowly, and sooner or later be accepted worldwide.
2532  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins accumulated by institutional investors on: October 19, 2019, 06:00:18 AM
It's possible that some institutions already hold bitcoin in them, maybe they're just hiding it and not broadcasting it to the public. I don't think these institutions would just let bitcoin exist and does not care to hold at least some. This also signifies that bitcoin is still early and that there is demand that would keep bitcoin alive in the next years or more. It's not just another get-rich-quick scheme, I believe that it would become mainstream soon, the blockchain and cryptocurrencies have promising advantages and characteristics that'll attract more investors.
2533  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hackers targeting Tor on: October 19, 2019, 05:19:48 AM



Please be vigilant, always verify what you’re downloading & from where.


@coindesk
Hackers have been distributing a compromised version of the official Tor Browser that's packed with malware designed to steal bitcoin and spy on users. Security firm @ESET says it's been going on for "many years."

https://twitter.com/coindesk/status/1185165299450028033?s=21

@torproject

https://www.coindesk.com/fake-tor-browser-has-been-spying-stealing-bitcoin-for-years
This is not quite surprising. Bitcoin is widely used as a medium of payment and transactions in the deep web, and the tor browser is one of the vulnerable part of connecting to onion sites. That's why when dealing with large funds, we must always be alert and wary of the softwares we use. One way to avoid these is just avoid browsing in the deep web or avoid engaging in transactions which are illegal.
2534  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Inheriting Bitcoin on: October 19, 2019, 04:07:17 AM
This is great news since it solves one of the problems of cryptocurrency and proves that bitcoin can also offer what banks nowadays could offer. However, we should make sure that the company is trustworthy, give them time to prove themselves, and prevent being scammed since they'll be responsible to our wallets and private keys. If deemed to be successful, this could pump the market, and maybe attract more investors since worries about losing bitcoin would lessen.
2535  Economy / Economics / Re: Can not believe 5 years ago you could of bought one whole bitcoin for this much! on: October 19, 2019, 02:47:23 AM
For $651~ you could of got yourself a shiny whole bitcoin on coinbase plus their $6.66 fee.
I wouldnt of mind paying this fee on top regardless.
Even if they were asking 10% of the purchase amount at the time which is probably more by now. Wink
Those were the days when bitcoin only starts and not many has seen its potential to be this successful. The fact that bitcoin is 10 years now and still growing, proves that this technology has the capability to be utilized in the next generations to come. Not many had understood the impact back then, but few people does have and believed on it, making them successful this time. I also wished I had known this earlier and bought early, but maybe on the next decades, we might see newer technologies that have solid visions and we may invest on it earlier too.
2536  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Google's Quantum Computer Destroy Bitcoin? on: October 19, 2019, 02:15:19 AM
This has been discussed in the forum for awhile. While on theory it could calculate and break current encryption methods, the quantum computer invented by Google does not have enough qubits to perform such calculations. And another point, if it would be made available to the public or some institutions, I'm quite sure that cryptography researchers would also strengthen current encryption, making algorithms quantum-proof. They could also use it to their advantage to discover new algorithms that is for now on paper only.
2537  Economy / Economics / Re: Why Bitcoin is not that good as currency? on: October 19, 2019, 01:42:42 AM
I totally agree with this. We cannot completely replace fiat, even if it is controlled by the government. People would only hoard since it's value is high and deflation causes value of products to lessen. Bitcoin is not suitable as currency, it's more of a medium of exchange, speculative investment and platform for day traders. It's not meant to replace fiat. I think the main purpose of bitcoin is to transact securely across the world without too much limitations and fees needed to pay.
2538  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin and kiddie porn on: October 18, 2019, 02:16:13 PM
One drawback of the anonimity bitcoin can provide its users. Although exchanges that implements KYC could help, it is still a lot harder to backtrack the transactions made to the specific persons involved. Sure, they can get the bitcoin address but they can't really figure out whom it was.

Until there are no standard regulation and identification of bitcoin addresses is made, all these illegal transactions would still exist. It has been known to the community that it's being used to these acts, mostly in the deep web. Privacy and freedom to transact almost anywhere without intermediary os beneficial, but could also be harmful, depending on who uses its capabilities.
2539  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin May Extinct on: October 18, 2019, 01:05:40 PM
If this happened, anything can.
What will happen after satoshi dies?
What will happen when bitcoin stands alone.
What will happen if it is banned globally?
What if goverments start working on killing bitcoin?
Dont you think goverments can work on it to kill it?

Btc is not like gold. You cant make the gold disappear suddenly as it is possible for btc. I am a fan of btc but I am also scared. It should be protected but who will do it? Exchanges? The top btc holder?
The situation today is not different to when Satoshi dies. As far as I know, Satoshi already left the Bitcoin's blockchain.

When Bitcoin stands alone, either it will thrive and be used to compete to digital fiat, recieve acceptance from the public, or would be regulated heavily by the government.

A global ban is highly unlikely. True censorship is near impossible, unless all countries decided to run under dictatorship with global ban to internet access.

They can't entirely shut down Bitcoin's network. It's a decentralized system of nodes (miners) and shutting a mining farm won't shut down the whole system. It's located all around the world, and to shut it down completely, you need to shut down all nodes that has the copy of the blockchain.
2540  Economy / Economics / Re: A cryptocurrency with volatility can't be used as money on: October 18, 2019, 11:53:41 AM
I'm just reading an article in the newspaper. Klaus W. Wellershoff (a last chief in UBS Bank) says that's impossible to use a currency with volatility as money. If the value of the money decrease, that means the value of the merchandise decrease. For example : if you buy a flat with bitcoin and few years later the bitcoin value decrease... Your flat lose his value as well.

What do you think about this argument?

Although the argument that a cryptocurrency with too much volatility cannot be used as money has its merits but the volatility seems to matter only because we are comparing the value of bitcoin against fiat. In a scenario where bitcoin is actually working as currency, there will be need  for a set of indices standardized by calculating amount of common goods that, say, 1 BTC should buy. Such an exercise would either need regulatory intervention or bitcoin adoption would have to go widespread with merchants deciding this value governed by free-market competition.
This is when volatility would not really matter.


The problem with this mindset is that, if let's say a governing body has set a standard calculation for how much goods a BTC can buy, and according to you, we'll eliminate the need of fiat so volatility won't matter. Keep in mind that bitcoin is deflationary in nature, only limited of its supply can ever be mined. That means, the fewer the supply left, the higher the value of 1BTC will be, the more it can buy. Sounds good right? Well, not really. Having a currency with too high value would just cause people tend to not spend a lot of the currency, or just hoard. Then, economy slows down, no one wants to use their money since it's too valuable.
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