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2581  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: April 19, 2018, 05:38:49 PM
Who ever come up with flat earth is retarded tbh

Yet all over the world there are people who are not scientists and mathematicians. They go outside and look around them. They see that the earth is relatively flat with a sky-dome over their heads. That is what anyone can see. So, they are not retarded. They are simply ignorant of things, just as you and I are ignorant of other things.

Cool

Well... You don't have to be any kind of scientist to look at pictures/videos/livestreams of earth. Besides people figured out the earth wasn't flat before we even had photographic evidence, looking at boats over the horizon or many other easy experiments or observations would prove the earth is not flat.
2582  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: April 19, 2018, 02:08:47 PM
I remember when I was in grade 8, my former teacher said that "God is like the wind, you can't see but you can feel his presence"

I feel the presence of Zeus, therefore Zeus is real, thanks for proving that Zeus is real. Everyone says they ''feel'' their god and yet not all of them can be real at the same time, can they?

Which Zeus? When you watch the latest Wonder Woman movies, Zeus is shown to be something made up by people who make the movies. Besides, Zeus doesn't fit the God Who operates through cause and effect.

There are many things about the God of the Bible that can't be proven by human abilities. That's where faith comes it, because the existence and power of God have been proven by sci3ence, and witnessed by the witnesses who wrote the Bible.

Zeus isn't God, but the God of the Bible is. Your feelings pushed you in the wrong direction this time. Oops! I mean all the time.

Cool

The bible is true because god says the bible is true therefore god exists. Eye witnesses that claim to have seen god are real because a book says so, therefore it has to be true.
2583  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: April 19, 2018, 02:07:31 PM



The false science of geology (globe earth) would have you believe that's a lava rock on the right. Do you believe, do you have faith?

In reality on our flat and motionless plane the earth (terra firma) was alive at some point and then became fossilized.

I miss nomad, where is he? You are clearly having some serious issues lately, have you been watching those conspiracy youtube videos? You need to stop dude, it's not doing you any good.

https://youtu.be/NM2wtte1JRE No fisheye


Hey fucking idiot, why do you quote my posts if you're not responding to it? Are you getting paid to respond to my posts with unrelated garbage or something?


Don't you want proof? You asked for proof without fish eye lens, I provide it like I did before with photos with specific cameras or easy experiments anyone can perform yet you ignore them because your ego wont let you admit that you were wrong.

The post is about the fraud that is geology and a giant petrified magic mushroom, if you want to argue fisheye lens then quote the appropriate post you degenerate fag.

This is a thread about flat earth, stop ignoring proof and wake up.
2584  Other / Off-topic / Re: Transgenders. on: April 19, 2018, 01:13:40 PM
But we can not change the fact that this will be hard to accept in the Philippines knowing that Sexuality is classified only into two categories. the Male and Female.

As per the rules of nature and human biology, there are only two genders - male and female. Transgender is not a real gender, it is just some males pretending that they are female or vice-versa. I would call this as a mental disease rather than sexual orientation.

I would call belief in god a mental disease too but no one agrees with me. At the end of the day if they are not hurting anyone, does it really matter?

But they  are hurting for sure.

Transgenders are 100 times more likely to molest children, when compared to the general population. They are 200 times more likely to have HIV and other sexually transmitted infections. Their criminality rates and probability of violence are also much higher. So you can't really say that they are not hurting anyone.

So are religious people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases

Not to mention all the horrible cases of violence throughout history done by the church. So you can't really say they are not hurting anyone.
2585  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: April 19, 2018, 12:09:37 PM
Badecker thinks slavery is ok because if you are the ''owner'' of something you can do whatever you want with it, he also thinks homosexuality is bad. Obviously the bible is an amazing moral guide, isn't it? I can kill my dog if I want to, right badecker?

''These aren't proof for evolution. Why not? Because they could be proof for non-evolutionary adaptation much more easily'' And C&E, entropy and complexity could be proof for literally anything you can imagine, like different gods or advanced alien civilizations or a computer simulation.

''I explained how it works, in my post you quoted, directly above your post that I am now responding to.'' Nope. You read a book, which claims that god exists. How do you know what is said in the book is real? You don't.
2586  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: April 19, 2018, 12:04:55 PM

God doesn't place more emphasis on blind faith than on reason. If God did this, He would have not created the universe. Rather, he would have created a bunch of non-embodied spirits, and then let them attempt to figure out some form of body on their own by faith alone... which they couldn't have done because of their lack of imagination.

All of the universe exists to train people to use their faith to make things happen like God does. But people are such infants that it will take them most or all of eternity to figure out how to use faith, even though they have the abundant examples of the universe. The examples of the universe are the things that make for visible faith rather than blind faith.

Cool

Yes he does otherwise you wouldn't need to believe in god to go to heaven. In fact atheists should go to heaven instead of theists because they are the ones using reason to find out the truth. Unlike theists that believe what they are told without ever trying to find proof or evidence.

How do you train yourself to use ''faith'' exactly? Faith: ''strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof'' Every baptist has faith in his religion just like every Catholic or orthodox or muslim or christian. They all have faith in different things and yet not all of them can be right, clearly faith is not working, is it? How would we ever know which one is correct if we are only using faith? Don't you see how stupid that is?

Believing in God doesn't mean believing that He exists. We know that He exists simply by observing nature, or when we attempt to set ourselves up as gods by trying to believe that God doesn't exist. Believing in God is believing in the things that He tells us in the Bible. Such faith is using reason, basing faith on Bible and God knowledge. Such is reasonable way more than atheism, which tries to force belief in atheism on the so-called atheist while the so-called atheist knows for a fact that God might exist.

"Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God." The most important faith in this life is saving faith... Jesus salvation faith. It is found through the Bible. Then in Heaven, faith will be increased because we will see some of the results of our faith, and we will understand more of the Word of God, making our faith in the rest of it grow.

The atheists, like everyone else, don't know for a fact what is going to happen in the next second. We all live by faith. To a great extent it is your choice regarding which faith you attempt to have. Examine, extensively, whatever it is that maintains your faith, and the truth of the direction you want your faith to move in. Make sure it is correct. That is the best you can do.

Cool

Let me ask you something badecker, imagine you were born in a heavy islamic country, imagine that you never leave the country either. How certain are you that you would have found out that the ''real god'' is the god from the bible? 1%? Less?
2587  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: April 19, 2018, 12:02:29 PM



The false science of geology (globe earth) would have you believe that's a lava rock on the right. Do you believe, do you have faith?

In reality on our flat and motionless plane the earth (terra firma) was alive at some point and then became fossilized.

I miss nomad, where is he? You are clearly having some serious issues lately, have you been watching those conspiracy youtube videos? You need to stop dude, it's not doing you any good.

https://youtu.be/NM2wtte1JRE No fisheye


Hey fucking idiot, why do you quote my posts if you're not responding to it? Are you getting paid to respond to my posts with unrelated garbage or something?


Don't you want proof? You asked for proof without fish eye lens, I provide it like I did before with photos with specific cameras or easy experiments anyone can perform yet you ignore them because your ego wont let you admit that you were wrong.
2588  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: April 18, 2018, 06:55:07 PM

See that's the problem, if God is real and the only proof left for his existence is a book, I would expect that book to have something different from other books like explaining in detail how we have free will or the rules of heaven, instead you have catholics, baptists, orthodox and a ton more, interpreting the book their own way.

1. If that's really the case that also means all kind of rapists, murderers are given that chance too and you find yourself in heaven with all of them, you did good all your life and they didn't and yet you are in the same place, what was the point of life on earth anyways then? Why is this not clearly explained in the bible?

2. No it doesn't. The point is, how is god going to prevent humans from committing sin in heaven, it is not explained in the bible as usual.

3. A god omnipotent and all powerful certainly would not care or need to be worshiped at all.

4. Although you can fully repent, how can god prevent the person from committing a sin afterwards.

After several pages of back and forth we are getting into some very deep questions. With that said I will share my incomplete and partial thoughts.

I agree with you in part on point #3. An omnipotent being would certainly not need worship of any kind. The need to the degree it exists would go entirely in the other direction.

I do not claim know the answer to #2 and #4. I think they logically follow from the concept of heaven but any details are certainly far beyond my understanding. The answer may have something to do with willingly surrendering ones free will to God what Rabbi Moishe described above as freedom from choice. The answer may also have something to to with genuinely seeking redemption, salvation, and forgiveness followed by some form of divine purification. There are also less optimistic possibilities. I do not know.

No one does only good all of their life or at least no one I have ever met. What we have instead is varying degrees of corruption. The worst of us can be thought of as pig like wallowing gleefully and deliberately into deep cesspools their bodies and faces covered with layer upon layer of filth caked into solid sheets covering even their eyes.

The very best of us can be thought of as men walking through such a mud pit trying desperately to wipe the splashing mud out of their eyes shaking it off whenever possible and always looking for the firmer ground. Striving for cleanliness but objectively still filthy.

What has to change before either of these two could be given free access to a pristine home?

It may appears that it would be better if the answer was simply provided for us in clear irrefutable and irresistible terms but that may not be true. Maybe the most important part of the process is the journey towards the answer.

If I set up a shower outside of my home which of the two men could I allow free access inside? One, both, or none?

''Maybe the most important part of the process is the journey towards the answer.'' Atheists and non believers seem to care more about the journey than religious people who accept everything said in the bible without any question. ''It may appears that it would be better if the answer was simply provided for us in clear irrefutable and irresistible terms but that may not be true.'' I don't really see why not. If I want to convince my daughter that I'm alive and I exist, isn't the best way to just do it? Why would god put more weight on blind faith instead of reason, the answer is simple, he doesn't, religions and god are a fraud, that's why I can come up with 20 different questions that you can't answer, the bible can't answer and yet I'm supposed to somehow just trust god, right? Nah.

God doesn't place more emphasis on blind faith than on reason. If God did this, He would have not created the universe. Rather, he would have created a bunch of non-embodied spirits, and then let them attempt to figure out some form of body on their own by faith alone... which they couldn't have done because of their lack of imagination.

All of the universe exists to train people to use their faith to make things happen like God does. But people are such infants that it will take them most or all of eternity to figure out how to use faith, even though they have the abundant examples of the universe. The examples of the universe are the things that make for visible faith rather than blind faith.

Cool

Yes he does otherwise you wouldn't need to believe in god to go to heaven. In fact atheists should go to heaven instead of theists because they are the ones using reason to find out the truth. Unlike theists that believe what they are told without ever trying to find proof or evidence.

How do you train yourself to use ''faith'' exactly? Faith: ''strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof'' Every baptist has faith in his religion just like every Catholic or orthodox or muslim or christian. They all have faith in different things and yet not all of them can be right, clearly faith is not working, is it? How would we ever know which one is correct if we are only using faith? Don't you see how stupid that is?
2589  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: April 18, 2018, 06:51:57 PM
With due respect and recognition to the scientist Charles Darwin for his works and theory, I would say he really did a good job. But as of now I really believe that the theory about evolution had something missing. I am confused why we still have seen monkeys? Why is it that people are not looking like monkeys or monkeys looking to evolve more like to become human. How many years have we been with these animals and why are they still the same? Or why are we still the same. I think the proofs mentioned could be more interesting since we are talking more about genes.

I think you are confused about what thread you are in. If you really have those questions, why don't you just google it? It takes you 20 seconds to google ''why are there still monkeys if we evolved'' which is by the way one of the stupidest arguments ''against evolution''.

That's the point. None of the explanations are anywhere near conclusive. They are all ideas. Some of them seem logical on the surface. But none of them are logical enough to answer the question. Most of them use explanations full of assumptions that bring up more questions than they could ever hope to answer. The reason for this is that evolution is a hoax.

There are only two answers about where life and everything came from. The first is God, taken from eye witness accounts that go back to the beginning. This isn't proof. But it is eye witnesses.

The other is evolution. But evolution is just a story that has many holes in it. All but a very few of the holes are anything more than simple stories that many people have joined over time, but no proof.

We have eye witness reports, and stories that don't make sense because they don't fit reality.

Cool

None of your explanations about why god is real are conclusive either and they are all ideas so what's your point? It's actually quite simple, the answer to ''why are there still monkeys'' is: monkeys and humans evolved from a common ancestor which is proved to be true thanks to genetics. It's true that scientists still have to all agree on what the timeline is exactly (which it's quite hard unless we can time travel)
All you are saying is that science will never be conclusive in any area, because nobody knows that sometime in the future, the best and most trusted science won't change because of some currently unknown factor. Yet we trust science that is clear and abundant, especially when it is simple, and existent in many forms.

The science of cause and effect, entropy and complexity, which prove God exists, is science that is readily seen in simple form, and is available all over the place in billions or trillions of forms and observations. At the same time, nothing that we observe has been proven to entirely escape C&E, entropy or complexity.

The science of evolution has never been observed without a large amount of explanation that is not known to be a correct interpretation of what is being observed. And actually, all of the so-called evolution observations can be much more easily interpreted to have their existence because of things other than evolution.



''taken from eye witness accounts that go back to the beginning. This isn't proof. But it is eye witnesses.'' No it's not, you have to prove those eye witness existed otherwise every religious book has eye witnesses talking about different gods.

All you are saying is that we don't have any proof, but we have eye witness accounts.

The firm mindset of the nation of Israel in recording and reporting their family history is proof of Bible truth. The point that Israel, one of the smallest nations of the world, yet one of the strongest, which has been around for 3,500 years (longer if you count their roots in Abraham), is proof that God is doing something powerful to show us His Word has strength.

You seem to want to exemplify a bunch of inconclusive evolution talk, talk which shows its assumptive quality right within itself, rather than accept the exceedingly strong scientific points of C&E, entropy, complexity, machine quality of the universe, and the science history of Israel and the Bible.

God is reality. The Bible is proven to be His Word. Evolution is dis-proven by its own writings, by science, by nature, and by the Bible.

Your talk is simply opposition to the truth.

Cool

''All you are saying is that we don't have any proof, but we have eye witness accounts. '' No we don't, you claim we do but how do you know it? Have you talked to someone that saw God? And even if you did, why believe him?

Genetics, biology, fossils and DNA prove evolution is real.

''The science of cause and effect, entropy and complexity, which prove God exists'' You think those 3 things prove god exists but they don't as shown before many times. You already believed in God before knowing anything about entropy or cause and effect, then you found those 3 things and convinced yourself that they are the proof for God without realizing that you already believed in God before that.

None of those 3 things prove god exists, they could prove at most that the universe has a beginning but they provide 0 information about what or who created it. Keep telling yourself is god.

And remember to kill everyone who works on the sabbath and you can have slaves.
2590  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: April 18, 2018, 06:47:11 PM



The false science of geology (globe earth) would have you believe that's a lava rock on the right. Do you believe, do you have faith?

In reality on our flat and motionless plane the earth (terra firma) was alive at some point and then became fossilized.

I miss nomad, where is he? You are clearly having some serious issues lately, have you been watching those conspiracy youtube videos? You need to stop dude, it's not doing you any good.

https://youtu.be/NM2wtte1JRE No fisheye
2591  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why isn't atheism classified as another religion? on: April 18, 2018, 06:44:49 PM
Atheism is classified as another religion all over the place. Google it. The reason it is not classified so universally, is that there are atheists who don't seem to know the definition of religion, who want to classify atheism differently.

Cool

You are the only one saying that, why though? Are you trying to insult atheism by calling a religion and if you are, are you not implying that a religion is a bad thing then?

You forgot the part about doing an Internet search to see that I am not the only one saying that.

You forgot the part about checking the complete definitions of the words atheism and religion, so you can see that atheism is a religion by definition.

Cool

So you are saying atheism is a religion and that religions are bad, right?
2592  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: April 18, 2018, 01:55:49 PM

See that's the problem, if God is real and the only proof left for his existence is a book, I would expect that book to have something different from other books like explaining in detail how we have free will or the rules of heaven, instead you have catholics, baptists, orthodox and a ton more, interpreting the book their own way.

1. If that's really the case that also means all kind of rapists, murderers are given that chance too and you find yourself in heaven with all of them, you did good all your life and they didn't and yet you are in the same place, what was the point of life on earth anyways then? Why is this not clearly explained in the bible?

2. No it doesn't. The point is, how is god going to prevent humans from committing sin in heaven, it is not explained in the bible as usual.

3. A god omnipotent and all powerful certainly would not care or need to be worshiped at all.

4. Although you can fully repent, how can god prevent the person from committing a sin afterwards.

After several pages of back and forth we are getting into some very deep questions. With that said I will share my incomplete and partial thoughts.

I agree with you in part on point #3. An omnipotent being would certainly not need worship of any kind. The need to the degree it exists would go entirely in the other direction.

I do not claim know the answer to #2 and #4. I think they logically follow from the concept of heaven but any details are certainly far beyond my understanding. The answer may have something to do with willingly surrendering ones free will to God what Rabbi Moishe described above as freedom from choice. The answer may also have something to to with genuinely seeking redemption, salvation, and forgiveness followed by some form of divine purification. There are also less optimistic possibilities. I do not know.

No one does only good all of their life or at least no one I have ever met. What we have instead is varying degrees of corruption. The worst of us can be thought of as pig like wallowing gleefully and deliberately into deep cesspools their bodies and faces covered with layer upon layer of filth caked into solid sheets covering even their eyes.

The very best of us can be thought of as men walking through such a mud pit trying desperately to wipe the splashing mud out of their eyes shaking it off whenever possible and always looking for the firmer ground. Striving for cleanliness but objectively still filthy.

What has to change before either of these two could be given free access to a pristine home?

It may appears that it would be better if the answer was simply provided for us in clear irrefutable and irresistible terms but that may not be true. Maybe the most important part of the process is the journey towards the answer.

If I set up a shower outside of my home which of the two men could I allow free access inside? One, both, or none?

''Maybe the most important part of the process is the journey towards the answer.'' Atheists and non believers seem to care more about the journey than religious people who accept everything said in the bible without any question. ''It may appears that it would be better if the answer was simply provided for us in clear irrefutable and irresistible terms but that may not be true.'' I don't really see why not. If I want to convince my daughter that I'm alive and I exist, isn't the best way to just do it? Why would god put more weight on blind faith instead of reason, the answer is simple, he doesn't, religions and god are a fraud, that's why I can come up with 20 different questions that you can't answer, the bible can't answer and yet I'm supposed to somehow just trust god, right? Nah.
2593  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: April 18, 2018, 01:52:48 PM
I remember when I was in grade 8, my former teacher said that "God is like the wind, you can't see but you can feel his presence"

I feel the presence of Zeus, therefore Zeus is real, thanks for proving that Zeus is real. Everyone says they ''feel'' their god and yet not all of them can be real at the same time, can they?
2594  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: April 18, 2018, 11:15:56 AM
Theres countless videos of GoPros attached to high altitude balloons, as well as rocket launch videos and the live feed from the ISS (which you can observe with a telescope).

 No scientific evidence to refute any of that, just a bunch of raving lunatics with no credibility in any field on Youtube on the other side of that argument. The field of Aerospace is not a scam.

The GoPro uses a fisheye lens.



"A fisheye lens is an ultra wide-angle lens that produces strong visual distortion intended to create a wide panoramic or hemispherical image." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisheye_lens


There are plenty of videos without any fisheye lens, though. https://youtu.be/NM2wtte1JRE No fisheye UH OHHH
2595  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Flat earth on: April 18, 2018, 11:09:12 AM
The belief in flat earth, and the belief in globe earth, and the belief in some other shape for the earth, are all religions. Why? Because they are known by belief (faith).

The faith that is right is the one that is proven by science and observation.

Cool

''There is no scholarly consensus over what precisely constitutes a religion.'' You could call anything a religion if you wanted but it kind of losses its meaning, doesn't it? Most people view religion as the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
2596  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: April 18, 2018, 11:05:36 AM
With due respect and recognition to the scientist Charles Darwin for his works and theory, I would say he really did a good job. But as of now I really believe that the theory about evolution had something missing. I am confused why we still have seen monkeys? Why is it that people are not looking like monkeys or monkeys looking to evolve more like to become human. How many years have we been with these animals and why are they still the same? Or why are we still the same. I think the proofs mentioned could be more interesting since we are talking more about genes.

I think you are confused about what thread you are in. If you really have those questions, why don't you just google it? It takes you 20 seconds to google ''why are there still monkeys if we evolved'' which is by the way one of the stupidest arguments ''against evolution''.

That's the point. None of the explanations are anywhere near conclusive. They are all ideas. Some of them seem logical on the surface. But none of them are logical enough to answer the question. Most of them use explanations full of assumptions that bring up more questions than they could ever hope to answer. The reason for this is that evolution is a hoax.

There are only two answers about where life and everything came from. The first is God, taken from eye witness accounts that go back to the beginning. This isn't proof. But it is eye witnesses.

The other is evolution. But evolution is just a story that has many holes in it. All but a very few of the holes are anything more than simple stories that many people have joined over time, but no proof.

We have eye witness reports, and stories that don't make sense because they don't fit reality.

Cool

None of your explanations about why god is real are conclusive either and they are all ideas so what's your point? It's actually quite simple, the answer to ''why are there still monkeys'' is: monkeys and humans evolved from a common ancestor which is proved to be true thanks to genetics. It's true that scientists still have to all agree on what the timeline is exactly (which it's quite hard unless we can time travel)

''taken from eye witness accounts that go back to the beginning. This isn't proof. But it is eye witnesses.'' No it's not, you have to prove those eye witness existed otherwise every religious book has eye witnesses talking about different gods.

2597  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why isn't atheism classified as another religion? on: April 18, 2018, 11:01:58 AM
Atheism is classified as another religion all over the place. Google it. The reason it is not classified so universally, is that there are atheists who don't seem to know the definition of religion, who want to classify atheism differently.

Cool

You are the only one saying that, why though? Are you trying to insult atheism by calling a religion and if you are, are you not implying that a religion is a bad thing then?
2598  Other / Off-topic / Re: Transgenders. on: April 17, 2018, 08:32:23 PM
But we can not change the fact that this will be hard to accept in the Philippines knowing that Sexuality is classified only into two categories. the Male and Female.

As per the rules of nature and human biology, there are only two genders - male and female. Transgender is not a real gender, it is just some males pretending that they are female or vice-versa. I would call this as a mental disease rather than sexual orientation.

I would call belief in god a mental disease too but no one agrees with me. At the end of the day if they are not hurting anyone, does it really matter?
2599  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Flat earth on: April 17, 2018, 08:28:46 PM
Being a curious person isn't an easy thing. Being skeptical can't be done with a blink of an eye. Everything needs a process. So for those of you who already have a broad curiosity, you should feel lucky. In this case, although the earth is clearly round (that's what's in the school books), we can't just believe it out of nowhere. Sometimes questioning such things just keeps our sanity alive.

Problem is in this particular case that we have photographic evidence, tons of it and also video and even livestream evidence so it's quite clear that the earth is round, if you are at that degree of skepticism then you will think everything is fake.
2600  Other / Meta / Re: Who is able and willing to moderate the Politics & Society section? on: April 17, 2018, 03:23:58 PM
So can we have some sort of official voting, not a poll, about this instead of dragging this thread any longer? I vote for hellfish just like most people did and I think at this point, theymos should pick him as he is willing to do it.
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