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2581  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you hate muslems? on: January 13, 2017, 06:25:46 PM
I dont hate muslims because i respect their religion, we have different ways of praising our Lord, its just that their ways is so different from us. But we should accept it, whether we like it or not. I know they respect ours also.

So you support stoning people for adultery, killing gays, apostates and atheists?  

C'mon you cannot be that stupid!

cant still removes this shit topic.

you guys dont know NOTHING about this belief yet you have an opinion.

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So you support stoning people for adultery, killing gays, apostates and atheists?  

where in QURAN its it mentioned?Huh?  WHERE show it to me or shut up , dont lie

you are ALLMOST as bad as the Islam terrorist, they dont read it the Quran properly and yet they have an opinion.....

its is and will ALWAYS be human action this whole so called act for religion .

I dont hate muslims because i respect their religion, we have different ways of praising our Lord, its just that their ways is so different from us. But we should accept it, whether we like it or not. I know they respect ours also.

Peace bro i think indeed that way.

Your beleave to  yours and mine to my  

now i dont want to see this topic anymore ( WHY  cant i uncheck this topic ), i see only indoctrinated people with wearing eye flaps who has opinion about things they dont know

PEACE


darn there were so much grammar errors ( still there are some ), its is the fault of my emotions , i ge angry at people who are ignorant and childish very anoying

( WHY  cant i uncheck this topic )..You could blow yourself up then you wont have too Wink Cheesy..
Or get yourself a TRUCK Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy..

If religion makes stupid people like you then we should wipe it all out Wink..

No you go and read the FUCKING KORAN..THICK SHIT.. Angry

Do you believe in the hadith?..Well hundreds of millions of muslims DO?..

This is the trouble.. Muslims are battling over who is the right MUSLIM ..
But the thing is in the 21st century we in the west don't care for religion..
Now when you come over to the UK and bring your backward religion with you we don't want it..
FUCK YOUR OIL MONEY Wink Wink..Take your desert religion YES THEM FUCKING ALL..Back to the desert were
they all come from..

There are 26 occurrences of the word hadith in The Quran and they are shown below. Please remember to read the context (surrounding verses) as this is crucial to understanding the actual verse:

The Word Hadith in The Quran


The following is a list of the occurrence of the word hadith/hadeeth and how its used in The Quran/Koran.

Possible meanings of the word hadith = narrations, sayings, words, speech, opinions, statement, utterance, discourse, account and tale.

There are 26 occurrences of the word hadith in The Quran and they are shown below. Please remember to read the context (surrounding verses) as this is crucial to understanding the actual verse:

 

On that day those who rejected and disobeyed the messenger will desire that the earth will swallow them; but they cannot hide any hadith from GOD. [4:42]

Wherever you may be, death will find you, even if you are in fortified towers. If any good befalls them, they say: "This is from God," and if any bad befalls them, they say: "This is from you!" Say: "All is from God;" what is wrong with these people, they barely understand a hadith! [4:78]

GOD, there is no god but He. He will gather you for the day of resurrection in which there is no doubt. Who is more truthful in hadith than GOD?. [4:87]

And it has been sent down to you in the book, that if you hear GOD's verses being rejected in and ridiculed in, then do not sit with them until they move on to a different hadith; if not, then you are like them. GOD will gather the hypocrites and the disbelievers in hell all together [4:140]

And if you see those who meddle in Our verses, then turn away from them until they meddle in a different hadith; and if the devil lets you forget, then do not sit after remembering with the wicked people [6:68]

Did they not look at the dominion of heavens and earth, and all that GOD has created?. Perhaps their time is coming near; so in which hadith after this will they have faith? [7:185]

And it is such that your Lord Has chosen you, and He teaches you the interpretation of hadith, and He completes His blessings upon you and upon the family of Jacob, as He completed it for your fathers before that, Abraham and Isaac. your Lord is Knowing, Wise. [12:6]

And the one from Egypt who bought him said to his wife: 'make his stay generous, perhaps he will benefit us or we make take him as a son'. And it was thus that We established Joseph in the land and to teach him the interpretation of hadith. And GOD Has full power over His affairs, but most of mankind do not know. [12:21]

'My Lord, you have given me sovereignty and taught me the interpretations of hadith. Initiator of the heavens and earth, you are my protector in this world and the hereafter. Make me die a Submitter, and join me with the good doers'. [12:101]

In their stories is a lesson for the people of intelligence. It was not a hadith that was invented, but an authentication of what is already present and a detailing of all things, and a guidance and mercy to a people who have faith. [12:111]

Perhaps you will torment yourself in grief over them, because they will not believe in this hadith at all. [18:6]

And did the hadith of Moses come to you? [20:9]

Then We sent Our messengers in succession. Every time there came to a nation their messenger, they denied him. So We made them follow one another, and We made them a hadith. So away with a people who do not believe. [23:44]

And from the people, there are those who accept baseless hadith to mislead from the path of GOD without knowledge, and takes it as entertainment. Those will have a humiliating retribution. [31:6]

O you who believe, do not enter the prophet's homes except if you are invited to a meal, without you forcing such an invitation. But if you are invited, you may enter. And when you finish eating, you shall leave, without staying to wait for hadith. This used to bother the prophet, and he was shy to tell you. But God does not shy away from the truth. And if you ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a barrier. This is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not for you to harm God's messenger, nor that you should marry his wives after him. This is indeed a gross offence with God. [33:53]

But they said: ‘our Lord, make the measure between our journeys longer’, and they wronged themselves. So We made them hadith, and We scattered them into small groups. In this are signs for every person who is patient, thankful. [34:19]

God has sent down the best hadith; a book that is similar in two ways. The skins of those who reverence their Lord shiver from it, then their skins and their hearts soften up to the remembrance of God. Such is God's guidance; He guides with it whoever He wills. And for whomever God misguides, then none can guide him. [39:23]

These are God's revelations that We recite to you with truth. So, in which hadith after God and His revelations do they believe? [45:6]

Has the hadith of Abraham’s noble guests come to you? [51:24]

Let them produce a hadith like this, if they are truthful. [52:34]

Are you questioning this hadith? [53:59]

Are you disregarding this hadith? [56:81]

your SHITTY ISLAM manual is for 15th century DICK BRAINS..
Are you a DICK BRAIN from the 15th century ?..

We in the west HATE yes HATE your religion..

And YOU DAFT FUCKERS..Who say hate speech fuck you and your hate speech
I FUCKING HATE YOU AND ALL Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy..THICK CUNTS..

Oh he said the word hate Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy..Get real daft fuckers  Grin..

A white kid gets kidnapped by few black kids and on the news they say it was a hate crime Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy..
NO SHIT SHERLOCK..I am more upset it was KIDNAP  Wink..

Hate crime Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy..
Example..

What you in jail for?..Well i burgled some home and got 2 years..
What you in jail for ?..Well i told some guy i hate him and got 20 years Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy...

When i say i hate something i dislike it Wink Wink..
I hate shit on my shoe..Hate crime 5 years  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy...

I HATE ISLAM Wink Wink..And leave all the Atheist alone in your muslim countries or we will bomb the shit out you all Wink Wink..
No fairy tales will run this planet no more Wink Wink..
2582  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: January 12, 2017, 07:40:03 PM
continuing from my last reply. If there is a god he must be Woden the Allfather. Along with all the other gods they form the pillars on how to live life and treat others.

God is His own Self. The reason why we can say, "I am" or "I exist," is because God has made us in His image.

Cool
If god made us in his image who made god in his image?..
Remember god freaks say something must of made all this like a man like figure?..

So for your mind to think something must a made all this like a god because it just cannot pop up..
Well who made your gods?..

Your mind is asking the question what made all this?..Something must of?..
Must of been a human type thing that made us..
Now as time as gone on science as proven you wrong?..
Now people are calling god A SOMETHING THAT MADE ALL THIS..But that's not a god?..
That's SCIENCE because something must of made all this.

A black hole could suck all the matter in and the matter gets to heavy and then the black hole explodes
ripping a new part of the universe open to start the BIG BANG..

And not just 1 big bang multiple big bangs all over the vast space of the universe...

Then we go into the question what makes a black hole..
We don't say a man like thing made it Wink..Without having proof Grin..

If an alien made the earth because they knew how to make new worlds that's not GOD..
It's SCIENCE..

So for you religious freaks out there..If something cannot come from nothing..Because that's why you say there is a god?..HOW DID GOD GET HERE..And don't say because he is GOD Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy..

The questions you seek is in SCIENCE not religion..

WHY do i need to lick someone feet..So why a god?..

Why do i need to think that a god can punish me for my wrongs?. Is it because i am already wrong?..

So maybe that's why humans need a god because they are already wrong..Hmmm..
Because most humans know how bad they are or how bad other humans are..

So they need something to punish them even after there dead Wink..

So like i always said it's the blame game..


2583  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you hate muslems? on: January 11, 2017, 07:53:20 PM
I never "ate mussels."      Grin
I love them in garlic sauce Grin..Muslims with pepper are horrible Grin..
You should not laugh! I do not see any positive moments in the fight against terrorists Muslims. To eat them with pepper or without need them to win. You at least one of them won? I doubt it.
You should not laugh!..
That's another reason to ban ISLAM..Muslims don't like to laugh Roll Eyes..I never knew this was in the Koran but you learn something new every day Grin..

I do not see any positive moments in the fight against terrorists Muslims..

I see some positive moments Wink..
Just think of all the work building your countries back up Grin..Plenty of jobs will be created..
So if i was you learn the construction industry Wink..

Should easy get a job wont be that many people left  Wink..

 



 
2584  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you hate muslems? on: January 10, 2017, 07:52:13 PM
I never "ate mussels."      Grin
I love them in garlic sauce Grin..Muslims with pepper are horrible Grin..
2585  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The JEWS... and the Bitcoin... :-O? on: January 10, 2017, 01:40:34 AM
Hello

The jews secretly run and control the world, everybody who looked into the issue and is impartial and inteligent believes.
NOW - i do not currently care about it, i dont critize it, i dont despute it i dont like it/dislike it, currently i dont care about it.

But the thing i wanted to ask- What do "Jews" (in general- jews, Israel, powerfull jews, diaspory, jewish/judaistic/talmudic law etc.) REALLY think about BTC?

(Yes, this is a serious question, im not trolling, also please, do not write anything offensive or supportive of the jews or that they run/do not run the world, i do not care about this, just how are the jews in general (and yeah i mean the powerfull ones mainly) really BEHAVE towards BTC? Not what they say particulary but what are their real actions and behaviour towards BTC?

Thank you




Can you convert it to cash?..Then if yes do you want a loan with interest  Grin..
No i am not Jewish but i pretended to be one for 1 min Grin..

your thoughts on btc ?..The more you have the better you will feel?..Yes i feel the same too Grin..
Then i can gamble them all away Cheesy Cheesy..
Hmm maybe if i become a Jew i could give you a loan with interest and make even more Grin..
ARR but then i would have to give up bacon and Christmas..I thinks i will just gamble and hope i hit the jackpot..

But clever what the Jews do it takes will power?..I suppose i got none Sad..
2586  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: January 10, 2017, 12:07:26 AM
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I believe in us humans to do the right thing..
LETS GET THE OLD THINKERS OUT  Wink..They kill our children to line there own pockets Angry..

When people have money they have less children and the children turn out to be good citizens instead of bad ones ..

2587  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: January 09, 2017, 11:04:49 PM
Yes and that's why  no god  Grin..

Popcorn1 you appear to be both an atheist and a moral nihilist. Congratulations your worldview is appears to be rational. However, don't get too cocky.

Remember: Evil is often Rational

I have argued elsewhere that the philosophy of nihilism is not comparable with the sustained growth of knowledge and is thus inherently destructive. However, those arguments are too long and abstract to reproduce in this post. If you wish to read them they start here.

Unfortunately time constraints will prevent me from participating further in this debate. I agree with  
af_newbie that this is indeed a fundamental choice. You can embrace a belief of existential nothingness that is inherently self-destructive or you can choose something better.

Your pick.
Some people have no choice Wink..
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7 days ago - Finland Is Giving Nearly $600 a Month to 2,000 Jobless Citizens, No ... well as how people will spend the free money, reports Business Insider.

If it happens then we got free choice Wink..That is my fight free money for all rich or poor..
Everybody gets a starting point to spend..EVERYBODY Grin..

It's looking good..People say it makes people lazy..Yes if you give them to much it would..
But just enough to get you by makes you want to earn that little bit more..

Plus it saves on people mental health ..Well we all know what poverty can do..
Poverty cost?..

Police.. jails.. hospitals.. insurance claims.. courts..All will save money if people have a basic income..

I think a poor person who steals which is most poor people or be no need to steal?..
The crime they commit can cost the tax payer about 3 million over a criminals life time EASY..
Think about it..

The police call out..The cars they need..The cells and station..The jails they go to..
The court cost for lawyers and judges..The criminal damages..
The victim goes to hospital claims insurance for damages..

That's just 1 offence say he does 300 over his life time?..
Some people in the uk have 300 convictions for house theft.. Angry..
But that's what having no money does to some people they end up doing stupid stuff to get it..

But with basic income peoples lives become much better and less crime and people grow healthier Wink..

And no they don't become LAZY..It's looking really good the outcome..
Remember even when you work you still get it..NO QUESTIONS ASKED..
2588  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: January 09, 2017, 10:27:56 PM
Atheism is irrational unless it is absolute nihilism this is simple fact.
I am a non believer but one day we will make our own new world or find another Grin..

Atheism is irrational unless it is absolute nihilism this is simple fact.?
So what you just said is a lie?.. I have just proved you wrong

Atheism is irrational?..
Make our own new world find another new world.. Is what i say absolute nihilism?..

So as an atheist how am i irrational..

Make our own new world find another new world..A PURPOSE Wink..

Why do you think i keep saying science is the key to life?..It gives us a purpose..
You wont find it rattling bones praying or voodoo..
we have found out through science one day this planet will blow up or the sun will die?..
What's our purpose?..

So as an atheist what i said is it absolute nihilism..And is it useless to want to find new worlds or make
another?..

Ok lets go a bit deeper looking at this through the worldview of moral nihilism. Moral nihilism is not the deepest form of nihilism but it is the most common.

You say that your purpose in life is to work towards finding another world for humanity to live on.
Lets take a look at your purpose from the perspective of nihilism:

1 ) We want to find a new world so that the human species continues to exist after the sun goes out.
2 ) We want the human species to continue to exist because they represent our genetic descendants and offspring.
3 ) We want our genetic descendants and offspring to survive because we care about them.
4 ) We care about them because evolution selected for this trait.
5 ) Evolution is the fitness and selection of life to its environment.
6 ) Life is a self replicating chemical reaction.
7 ) Chemical reactions are the spontaneous thing that happens when higher energy compounds are converted to lower energy compounds.
8 ) Spontaneous reactions occur throughout the universe and are ultimately processes of basic physics and chemistry.
9 ) Basic physics and chemistry have no value or meaning they just happen to occur.

Therefore your "purpose" also has no objective value or meaning it is ultimately just the spontaneous result of simple physics and chemistry.

Personally I entirely disagree with this argument. However, if you are not a moral nihilist you have to prove this argument is false not just say "no its not" or say you don't like it but prove it to be false.

On a biological level the purpose in life is to pass your genetic material to future generations.  This is hardwired into all living things, plants and animals.

On a personal level, the purpose of one's live is to enjoy it.  You only got one, so enjoy it in whatever you do.  Believe in some bat shit crazy bronze age stuff or teach people about the evils of religions.

Your pick.
Why would the earth create a human?..symbiotic relationship or a cancer?..

On a personal level, the purpose of one's live is to enjoy it..If you had no money would you?..
Just a couple of things to think about Grin..

But everything you say is spot on..NEVER STOP teach people about the evils of religions..
Stops people from being STUPID Grin..I.E blowing themselves up Grin..
2589  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: January 09, 2017, 09:37:42 PM
Atheism is irrational unless it is absolute nihilism this is simple fact.
I am a non believer but one day we will make our own new world or find another Grin..

Atheism is irrational unless it is absolute nihilism this is simple fact.?
So what you just said is a lie?.. I have just proved you wrong

Atheism is irrational?..
Make our own new world find another new world.. Is what i say absolute nihilism?..

So as an atheist how am i irrational..

Make our own new world find another new world..A PURPOSE Wink..

Why do you think i keep saying science is the key to life?..It gives us a purpose..
You wont find it rattling bones praying or voodoo..
we have found out through science one day this planet will blow up or the sun will die?..
What's our purpose?..

So as an atheist what i said is it absolute nihilism..And is it useless to want to find new worlds or make
another?..

Ok lets go a bit deeper looking at this through the worldview of moral nihilism. Moral nihilism is not the deepest form of nihilism but it is the most common.

You say that your purpose in life is to work towards finding another world for humanity to live on.
Lets take a look at your purpose from the perspective of nihilism:

1 ) We want to find a new world so that the human species continues to exist after the sun goes out.
YES WE DO Grin..
2 ) We want the human species to continue to exist because they represent our genetic descendants and offspring.
YES WE DO Grin..
3 ) We want our genetic descendants and offspring to survive because we care about them.
YES WE DO Grin..
4 ) We care about them because evolution selected for this trait.
Evolution because i am a plant or because i am a human? Grin..
5 ) Evolution is the fitness and selection of life to its environment.
Yes the strongest survive Grin..
6 ) Life is a self replicating chemical reaction.
100% of neurotransmitters, such as norepinephrine, serotonin, GABA, acetylcholine, aspartate, glutamate, are made of amino acids. 100% of hormones are made up of amino acids. Sex hormones are made up of amino acids plus fat or lipids.
7 ) Chemical reactions are the spontaneous thing that happens when higher energy compounds are converted to lower energy compounds.
If the products are associated with less energy, then the conversion of the reactants to products is a spontaneous process Grin..
8 ) Spontaneous reactions occur throughout the universe and are ultimately processes of basic physics and chemistry.
YES Grin..
9 ) Basic physics and chemistry have no value or meaning they just happens to occur.
Basic physics and chemistry have a meaning?.If you add the 2 together you get value?..
Meaning they just happens to occur..What happens to occur?.. Gives you meaning?..

Therefore your "purpose" also has no objective value or meaning it is ultimately just the spontaneous result of simple physics and chemistry.Yes and that's why  no god Grin..

Personally I entirely disagree with this argument. However, if you are not a moral nihilist you have to prove this argument is false not just say "no its not" or say you don't like it but prove it to be false.
2590  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: January 09, 2017, 07:35:14 PM
Atheism is irrational unless it is absolute nihilism this is simple fact.
I am a non believer but one day we will make our own new world or find another Grin..

Atheism is irrational unless it is absolute nihilism this is simple fact.?
So what you just said is a lie?.. I have just proved you wrong

Atheism is irrational?..
Make our own new world find another new world.. Is what i say absolute nihilism?..

So as an atheist how am i irrational..

Make our own new world find another new world..A PURPOSE Wink..

Why do you think i keep saying science is the key to life?..It gives us a purpose..
You wont find it rattling bones praying or voodoo..
we have found out through science one day this planet will blow up or the sun will die?..
What's our purpose?..

So as an atheist what i said is it absolute nihilism..And is it useless to want to find new worlds or make
another?..


2591  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you hate muslems? on: January 09, 2017, 06:19:58 PM
War is to make people money stop people from making money and stealing..
It's called Killing so many birds with one stone  Smiley..

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2592  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: January 09, 2017, 03:36:16 PM

"If you're rational you don't get to believe whatever you want to believe.”
― Michael Huemer YOU DO IF IT'S PROVED SO Wink..

If your rational you would ask for proof..
        Popcorn1 Grin..
2593  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: January 09, 2017, 03:16:35 PM
Good job Harry potter was wrote in this day and age could you imagine if it was wrote 500 years ago Roll Eyes..

You would have nutters looking for wizards goblins and dragons Cheesy Cheesy.

2594  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: January 09, 2017, 03:03:15 PM

I wish you both the best of luck.

But you don't really?..You called me an ass hole Wink..Not very good for a god believer Grin..

I was not planning on posting again in this thread but I wanted to post one final time and kindly inform readers that the claim of popcorn1 is false. I did not call him or anyone one else an asshole.

He was, however, obviously offended by my description of atheism as irrational and called me a number of rather unkind things which can be seen by anyone wishing to go back and read the last few pages of this thread.

Atheism is irrational unless it is absolute nihilism this is simple fact. If you don't want to hear it from me you can here it from the smartest atheist I have yet to come across on this forum.

At its most pure and fundamental level knowledge is faith and faith is knowledge.
This is the essential difference between theism/spiritualism and nihilism, it is the question of epistemology, of what is knowledge. I know that this equation of knowledge with faith is false or at least self-defeating. I agree, atheism is false, but that it is false exactly to the extent that its still not absolute nihilism.

nihilnegativum is a rational atheist. I think he is wrong but he is indisputably rational and I enjoyed conversing with him in our prior Discussion of Nihilism. Sadly I am unable to say the same regarding some of the posters in this thread.

"If you're rational you don't get to believe whatever you want to believe.”

― Michael Huemer
I show you how smart you are Wink..

you can here it from the smartest atheist I have yet to come across on this forum.Your quote..

The smartest Atheist Cheesy..Yes i know more than anybody else that god is not real  HuhCheesy Cheesy..
Do you not see how stupid you are Wink..

2595  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: January 08, 2017, 10:53:38 PM
...YOUR AN ASS HOLE...

Please send the men in white coats for this dude Cheesy Cheesy..
...
GROW UP NUTTER  Wink

You are like a murderer who after killing some old lady would say: "Well, she was old so I did the right thing by killing her.  I did her a favour."


I wish you both the best of luck.
But you don't really?..You called me an ass hole Wink..Not very good for a god believer Grin..
So that's 1 going to hell.. CoinCube the devil as got your name Smiley..

What if all what you see is just a computer programme ?..
What if a goblin made a bacteria and made life on earth?.

What if popcorn 1 is god and as a plan for you all Grin..
What if my thinking is not what i am thinking?..

What if i am in a coma and i am still dreaming?..
What if i died and i am already in hell or heaven?..

What if a big space monster farted and pooped out the earth ?..

All possible but non believable  Wink..So why worry Grin..

2596  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The real winner of the 2016 election on: January 07, 2017, 11:24:48 PM
Trump is the real winner Grin..C.I.A show the evidence to trey gowdy..
Until you do we all know your lying  Wink..
Hillary lost because of her past dealings and she cheated Bernie Sanders  Cheesy JUSTICE Grin..

The C.I.A Gangsters want control of the american public's taxes..
The same goes for the F.B.I gangsters so they lie to each other and make shit up Wink..

IT'S CALLED TOTAL CAPITALISM  Smiley..

I hope mr trump is doing an AUDIT on the American money coming in and the money going out and to who and what for and why for???..I hope your doing this mr trump..
Remember they done enough AUDITS on you Wink..

You need to see who is taking what and why Grin..

And to Mr trump i want my favour please legalise weed in all states please..
Save on prison cost..save on police cost..and weed as never killed anybody in an overdose..
Alcohol should be banned more than weed because alcohol kills many ever year weed does not..
Only when it becomes illegal it then kills Wink..
Plus look what happened when alcohol become illegal the gang wars and so on..

So what ever you do let people smoke weed..
I would rather walk past a gang stoned of weed than walk past a gang stoned of alcohol Grin..

Trump filled stadiums hillary filled nothing only if she brought free music concerts and she still lost Cheesy Cheesy

i just lost money on a NHL bet and i am pissed..Must of been RUSSIA  Roll Eyes..
And i think putin knew all about it..He had too..

2597  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: January 07, 2017, 04:51:35 PM
Please send the men in white coats for this dude Cheesy Cheesy..
You have lost the plot Grin.
What the smartest man 100 years ago knew is nothing to what a 12 year old child knows now Grin..
SO GROW UP NUTTER  Wink

You know this thread reminds me of the Flat Earth thread over in the off topic section. Lots of pictures, lots of insults, and an utter disinterest in rationality if it challenges preconceived notions.

The depth of your argument popcorn1 tells me that you are either unwilling or unable to cognativally digest complex challenges to your world view.

Quote from: Richard Cocks
We know that pre-rational people exist. Pre-rational people, as I’m defining it, are concrete operational or worse. (Worse would be preoperational/magical and sensorimotor/archaic).
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The rational person can try to explain how things look to the pre-rational. They will not succeed. Either you can see the validity of a logical argument, or you cannot. If I say if p, then q, p, therefore q and you say ‘no it’s not,’ all I can do is stare at you.

Morality..Take the shops away and bring back hunting then how moral are we?..
But the main thing is your arguing over 1 word morality Cheesy..
The bible has millions of words so you only got so much time left in your life to argue the rest of the other words and their meaning?..

But your arguing over nothing  Wink..So why waste your life clock on total bullshit because what you are saying will not solve or do anything to make peoples lives better..
Your just talking about 1 word out of the bible..

Morality comes from experience then we pass it down and on to others..
Take the food away I.E shops and money and go back to hunting how moral will we be?..

STOP WASTING YOUR LIFE ON BULLSHIT Wink..I am trying to help you  Grin..
Use your time on something more constructive..

1 word and you go crazy..MORALITY..

Do you have any professors who know about these words that are in the bible Roll Eyes..
COMPASSION EMPATHY VENGEANCE JEALOUSY..Yes just words don't faint  Cheesy Cheesy..

Stop believing in the magic sky man who zapped this planet and made it so Cheesy Cheesy..

Or why don't you call https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbWTmtNn3zY..
2598  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: January 06, 2017, 05:32:51 PM
God Or Moral Nihilism
https://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/4871

Quote from: Richard Cocks

Who needs God? Morality is a social construction

If morality is a social construction, then morality does not exist. Just because we call some things ‘good’ and others ‘evil’ doesn’t mean that good and evil refer to anything.
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If morality doesn’t exist for real, then neither can morality be a useful fiction. Something can only be useful (have extrinsic value) if the thing that it is useful for is actually valuable i.e., intrinsically valuable. If we say that the false belief in morality makes us happy and is therefore good, we are introducing a moral category again; the notion that anything that makes human beings happy is good and anything that makes us unhappy is bad. We arrive at the morally good and bad once again.

All people who think that morality is a social construction and is good/useful, have reintroduced moral realism; the notion that good and evil actually exist. This is a contradiction and therefore cannot be true. You cannot believe that morality is merely a social construction and in moral realism.

If you claim to believe that morality is a social construction, then you are a moral nihilist. All us adults know that Father Christmas doesn’t really exist and you’re effectively claiming that morality doesn’t either.

The Argument from Religion - A Transcendental Argument

Morality can’t be found from a scientific examination of nature. So if morality is not in nature it must be beyond nature – the supernatural.

Where does value come from? It’s not found in the world reduced to scientific facts. Nonetheless, it’s found in the world as we actually experience it. We find value in all sorts of things. We value our friendships, and hopefully at least some of our family members. We value certain books, films, projects, beautiful days, ‘nature,’ and music. So value exists. We experience it. A transcendental argument asks – what must the world be like for this experience to be possible? There must be more to the world than scientific facts. The value of the world that we discover must have its basis in something else.
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Morality is invisible to science because science cannot see value. Anything invisible to science must either not exist at all, or it must be nonphysical. Our name for the nonphysical aspects of reality is the spiritual, i.e., the divine, transcendent, God.
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There is remarkable agreement among those at the higher reaches of many world religions. High level Buddhists, Catholic monks, Kabbalists, Sufis, all describe ultimate reality in similar terms and much of what they say can be summed up in the cliché, ‘all is one.’

If all is one, then my treating you badly is really treating myself badly.
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God or Moral Nihilism

Your choices are God or moral nihilism. Social constructionism and Darwinian evolutionary theory can only allow you to say that we think and act like morality exists, not that morality does exist. Social construction and Darwinism certainly have nothing to say about the truth of morality. In fact, they suppose the opposite. In the first case, we just made it up, like Father Christmas. That’s called moral nihilism. The second case, Darwinians might try to say that morality is useful in promoting survival, but since they cannot establish that surviving has any intrinsic value, they cannot logically point to the extrinsic value of morality. Nothing has extrinsic value if nothing has intrinsic value and since the existence of intrinsic value is precisely what needs explaining in morality, Darwin and his followers have nothing interesting to say on the topic.

If you choose moral nihilism, just remember what you are choosing...If moral nihilism is true, then your life has no value and neither does anybody else’s.

The torturer will be right to start removing your fingers. Why? Because it’s fun and you can have nothing to say on the subject...The fact that you don’t want to die is only relevant if morality exists and morality requires another person to respect your wishes and desires. If you claim that your wishes and desires are nonetheless important, then you will be unable to say why my wishes and desires are not important too...we can go back to gassing the Jews, human sacrifice, and seeing how loud we can get torture victims to scream and any other psychotic things you can think of. If you must respect my wishes and desires, then you are behaving morally. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Please send the men in white coats for this dude Cheesy Cheesy..
You have lost the plot Grin.
What the smartest man 100 years ago knew is nothing to what a 12 year old child knows now Grin..
SO GROW UP NUTTER  Wink
2599  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: January 06, 2017, 12:02:35 AM

So god give us the 10 commandments so why did he hurt Jesus his own son?..

Very short 2.33 minute video clip.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6NPq_kPSUM

21st century thinking..Learn something..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jph2qWXJ-Tk

If you wish answers to questions of Christian theology you will need to seek them from someone more knowledgeable on that topic then I.

However, in regards to the Star Trek episode reason alone is an inadequate tool when it comes to morality because evil is often rational.FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE Grin..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryA8PafooQ4


Your watching videos of a nutcase Wink..
2600  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: January 05, 2017, 09:57:39 PM
Ethical monotheism means two things:

1. There is one God from whom emanates one morality for all humanity.
2. God's primary demand of people is that they act decently toward one another.

So how does god make you act decently toward one another..Does he tell you himself or a human?..
Remember it's your belief Ethical monotheism..

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popcorn1 to understand how a belief in God leads us to act decently towards one another I recommend the following very short (5 minute) video clip.

Freedom and Moral Self-Control


So god give us the 10 commandments so why did he hurt Jesus his own son?..

Very short 2.33 minute video clip.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6NPq_kPSUM

21st century thinking..Learn something..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jph2qWXJ-Tk
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