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261  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How can I send bitcoin without fee? on: September 22, 2017, 10:37:23 AM
Miners usually don't accept to confirm a transaction without reward. You better make  a good fee to avoid freezing your transaction.

Just wanted to point out:

"Historically it was not required to include a fee for every transaction. A large portion of miners would mine transactions with no fee given that they had enough "priority". Today, low priority is mostly used as an indicator for spam transactions and almost all miners expect every transaction to include a fee. Today miners choose which transactions to mine only based on fee-rate.

Transaction priority was calculated as a value-weighted sum of input age, divided by transaction size in bytes:

priority = sum(input_value_in_base_units * input_age)/size_in_bytes
Transactions needed to have a priority above 57,600,000 to avoid the enforced limit (as of client version 0.3.21). This threshold was written in the code as COIN * 144 / 250, suggesting that the threshold represents a one day old, 1 btc coin (144 is the expected number of blocks per day) and a transaction size of 250 bytes.

So, for example, a transaction that has 2 inputs, one of 5 btc with 10 confirmations, and one of 2 btc with 3 confirmations, and has a size of 500bytes, will have a priority of

(500000000 * 10 + 200000000 * 3) / 500 = 11,200,000
Historic rules for free transactions
A transaction was safe to send without fees if these conditions were met:

It is smaller than 1,000 bytes.
All outputs are 0.01 BTC or larger.
Its priority is large enough (see above)"
262  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Pre ICO - what is usual? on: September 22, 2017, 10:16:51 AM
Welcome fellow new comer Smiley

If I'm not mistaken, there is typically a pre-sale or whitelist option for pre-ICO participants which takes place before the public ICO starts. In other words, if you have registered for pre-ICO, you should get a slot some days prior to the public ICO.

After the ICO, it takes varying amount of time before the tokens are tradeable on exchanges - days or even months.

Veterans, please correct if above is not correct!


I am no vet on here (in crypto maybe) but sounds good to me. To answer your intial question @SimonPT, the way to realize your Pre-ICO value is by selling those same tokens

OTC prior to the ICO. That is the only method I can think of for that. In regards to Bittrex or other big exchanges, there simply is no guarntee. Every coin in crypto would want

to be listed on Bittrex or Poloniex as this would instantly increase the liquidity and volume. Dont hold your hopes on getting listed on Bittrex as they have rarely added any coins

in the past 2 months. Think they have only added Civic, Omisego, and I believe one other as of late.
Why you need to go only in bittrex there are some other exchanges and trading site to be see altcoin to be listed in some exchanges ..
ICO coins are not actually guaranteed you to make a good profit it will be depends in trading volume and the demand and supply..
If the ICO was great project expect that it will getting a good trends in the market but sometimes there are some group of traders that they can make a trap and keep a new released coins or listed coin can be crash because of the bull trap.
So i suggest to better invest in altcoin which is already in good rankings in coin market cap which is low risk than ICO's..

This one is a good suggestion. You do not want to risk all and get rich in one day, as you will fail 999999999 times first...

Look for lower risk and invest there. You will get low return, yet you will get it quite many times before failing, so you will be ok when that happens.
Try to become rich slowly, as this way you will stay rich in the long term Wink
263  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to build bitcoin website wallet on: September 22, 2017, 10:09:54 AM
I am not trying to derail this thread but I have a feeling that people like Op are behind every major exchange that failed to protect BTC from hacking attempt: Mt.Gox and Bitfinex included.
Because this is what happens when people who have no idea what they are doing are managing services. We don't need any more or half witted sites, services or projects, please.

Wink no hard feeling, but just wanted to correct you a little bit:
Mt.Gox was not hacked. It was inside job, just like Cryptsy...
And they both knew exactly what they did...

As for the OP - if this is for a school project - go ahead and do it. What you want to do is good for educational purposes... (this way I learned php back in the days - creating torrent sites on my internal network, yet I was able to learn from there php and work afterwords for companies and create their websites..) So it is a good start to learn how to make sites and services Wink
But if it is something you want to run as business => please DO NOT!!! as you will most probably fail and that will be bad for you and for the people who trusted you.

You will need to read a lot and most probably be ready to hire professionals to do this work for you...


btw good luck Wink
264  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Pre ICO - what is usual? on: September 21, 2017, 02:31:40 PM
I'm coming to this forum new today, so I hope I've followed protocol and this is the way for me to pose a question to the community.

I'm early into the crypto currency scene, trying to adapt my thinking and expectations.

I have entered into a pre ICO, with the ICO to come in mid October with a date yet to be announced.  Is it usual that there is no way to release your investment into the pre ICO before the actual ICO launches?

Additionally, on the day of ICO, should one expect to see the ICO tradeable on a platform such as Bittrex?  I'm keen to watch the ICO unfold and to watch the order book and assess things in the earliest possible stages.  I'm happy to take small holdings in ICOs I feel good about, but I have a layer of nervousness around control during the ICO from the moment it is live.

Your insight and advice would be gratefully received.

ST.

you should allays do your homework!
0. Never invest more then you are ready to loose!
1. Read all the materials carefully;
2. Read the whitepaper few times Wink and try to understand the concept.
if you think you like the idea:
3. Check the supporting team that backs the project.
4. Look into the timeline of expected dedvelopment
5. be careful as if it is too good to be true, most definitely it is!
6. Never invest more then you are ready to loose!
7. Look into the contract source-code - if it is legit it must be public!
8. See what companies are supporting the project as well
9. Look if the team that runs the ICO has any other projects and try to research them to get the feel what they are capable of doing.
10. Never invest more then you are ready to loose!

This are the 10 simple steps you need to take in order to be successful in investing into ICO.


You will need to do much more actually in order to master this skill, but this is good for start Wink

Ahh and until I have not forgotten: Never invest more then you are ready to loose!!!!

Good Luck Wink

P.S.: Usually they do not get listed in big exchanges fast, as that costs money and they need the money for development.. (if they get listed, then this is even better)
265  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE LAST BITCOIN IS MINED? on: September 21, 2017, 02:14:39 PM
Okay, since miners get a reward (bitcoin) for mining and help support the block chain, what will happen when the last bitcoin is mined? What incentive is there to mine bitcoin and thus support the block chain? Won\’t bitcoin crash at that point?
No, miners will be rewarded entirely from transaction fees which would be much higher per block due to bigger blocks (this was Satoshi's vision).
The price will also be EXPONENTIALLY higher than it is today, which means the effect of losing the block reward will be countered. This is already the case with every block reward halving, where the price is at least double when the block reward halves than it was at the previous halving.

This has been answered numerous times before, please search next time before making a new thread.

This is one of the "fee market" theories that has not been proven at all. It is just accepted without question. The fear of this is what has led to Bitcoin core developers to restrict the blocksize to 1MB in order to force the "fee market" to raise fees to eventually compensate for the missing block reward. The idea that one can increase fees by increasing the blocksize defies the most basic rules of economics. One does not increase price by increasing supply.

The most simple solution is to have a permanent block reward that does not fall to zero. This is what Monero has done with a minimum 0.6 XMR per 2 min block. For the Austrian hard money purists this is less than 1% per year and below the historical inflation rate of gold. Gold of course being the "gold standard" for hard money. With a minimum block reward then one can create an adaptive blocksize limit (Cryptonote / Monero) since a "fee market" is no longer necessary to secure the proof of work. One of the lessons from Monero is that this leads to a situation where the total fees collected per block is proportional to the block reward. If the block reward were to fall to zero then so will the total fees collected per block. Monero takes advantage of this to set fees! Now for the critical part. Any blocksize scaling solution that has a penalty that is equal to or lesser than in severity than the quadratic penalty for increasing the blocksize in Monero, in a coin with a finite number of coins.will lead over time to an insecure coin with the hashrate falling to zero. This would apply to Bitcoin, Litecoin,  Dash, Zcash etc but not to Monero or Dogecoin.

Sorry but you have misunderstood the idea of fees and how the rewarding of the mining is done.
Once the block reward is 0 (near 2140) the fee will be forced (now it is forced just for the fact that if no fee your transaction may not get into the blockchain, as there are plenty of transaction that pay fees).
So when the block size is bigger there will be more transactions per block thus more fees in total will be collected.
So let's say today the normal fee for a fairly fast transaction is: 119435 satoshi, but one block can have only 1mb in this moment (average 2500 transactions, depends on size not number of transactions, so I took the day with most transactions 350k and devided it to see the average transactions per block for that day).
so 2500*0.00119435=2.985875BTC in fees.
If the size gets bigger, then much more transactions will get into one block => more money for miners.
example: BCH has 8x limit, so if by then BTC has made the size that bit (there must be consistent amount of transactions to force it to grow that much, but let's say it has happened)
then we will have 23.887 BTC reward...
And here is how increasing "supply" will increase profits.

Just like if you are fare service and you got only one bus with 10 seats, you will make less money then having 10 buses with 40 seats...
Wink
266  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: create a new currency on: September 21, 2017, 01:00:45 PM
first you need to get experience.

take part in several projects or analyze existing ones: source codes, marketing campaigns, etc.

This is the only valuable answer so far.

btw was wondering what you mean that you are noob?
1. New to programming?
2. New to mining?
3. New to cryptography?
4. New to crypto currency at all?

Do you have a team of developers and IT engineers who will back you up?
As creating a successful coin will take lots of efforts:
1. Devs
2. QAs
3. Marketing
4. Designers
and most importantly:
5. new unique idea


As if you are lacking any of these you will not be able to do it by yourself Wink

Hope this will help you understand what you needed...
267  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How can I send bitcoin without fee? on: September 21, 2017, 12:38:04 PM
Hello, Everyone!
I will send small amounts of BTC to dozens of people and I don't like to pay sending fees.
Is there any way to avoid it?
I tried Xapo but it sucks and become full scam so I really need your help for a good way to send BTC without fees.
Thanks in advance.

You can send without fees if you're transacting off-chain, you don't have to pay fees within Coinbase, Xapo and probably also other wallets I'm not familiar with.

You will not be able to transact without fees on chain.

Xapo also charges fees now. They did not charge fees or maybe they did but they never asked at the time of transaction, but now a days they are doing that, and i don't think there is any way to send transactions without fees because if there were and it was working, then everyone would have been doing that.
Well, the transaction fee is not taken by the service provider, so it does not matter how big it is for the quality of the service.
Most wallet providers take big fees, because want to send the transaction fast, and that is the reason the fee is big.
Other wallets have the option to use lower fee in this case the transaction may take some more time to get into the blockchain.
If the protocol is not changed it is possible to send transactions with no fee, but due to the big traffic of transactions, it will not be included into the new blocks, as transactions are ordered by transaction fee => bigger fee first in line. There is a limit of how many transactions can be stored in one block.
So as the pending transactions are much more then the space available no fee transactions will not fill for days, or even never...
btw there is a way to monitor this and choose to send transactions when fees are lowest, but that will take lots of work to monitor it as there is no service that I know of.



Beware of scam and pay your fees! There's no such thing as a free lunch
As stated above the fee is not for the service provider, but for the miners, so the scam or not the fee is ther Wink



You can't. If you send transaction without adding fee nobody is going to confirm it.
You can send transaction with no fee, but as there is BIG trafic now, the transaction may take several days to go, or it may expire before there is less transactions with fees then the block size.
Miners confirm transactions anyways, as they get block reward (different then transaction fee). But because the total reward for miners is: block reward (12.5BTC) + sum of all transaction fees (even if they low or 0), the miners sort transactions for their fees.


In final words: If you do not need fast transaction (you will not want to exchange it now for alt coin to catch good ratio), or you want to buy access to some services that they give access once transaction has passed => you are probably ok to try and do send the transactions with no fee.
But if you need to transfer it fast or relevantly fast you have to pay fee Wink

Hope this will help you all Wink
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