VANILLA will get dumped to minimum 5000. Because price is by far too high. Imagine: everyday roughly 0.15% of the coin supply increases. Do the maths: 100 days are 15% inflation, more than 50% inflation in a year. Get real! VNL is overpriced enormous.
you smoke wat ? litecoin was still at 50 coins per block not long ago and priced high, vnl is undervalued as hell  Yes, it's extremely undervalued. People don't know about VNL, there was no marketing, everything released ninja-style. I think that after the release of darkpp and dark apps, people will trust this project. It's not a p&d, so legit investors will eventually understand it's worth investing. |
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i have a funny feeling we will get christmas present
need to catch some on this manipulated dump, fill my orders be great to see 10k If btc break 600$, you'll see even 9k Or it might go down to 400 and dumpers will be rebuying @13-14k. |
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Those IPO's and ICO's are ridiculous.  Do you hold any altcoins, you think there are any worth buying/following? I'm just curious. |
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...and go learn about the average lifetime of national currencies, Bretton Woods etc. There was no currency in the history, which would hold it's value with the passing time(that's why it's called currency). So the cryptos are no exception at the moment. We are in the ponzi scheme anyway, so there is no need to whine and complain about the alts. Alts are working like a laboratory for cryptocurrencies, so they are doing their job. This basically should end the discussion here. And i have gotten no good answer WHY a huge crowd is going to come running to Altcoins. And I agreed, that there is a lot of pumping, hyping, scamming etc. And it does a harm. There will be no huge crowd, but there are few alts with interesting techs which could find their use in the real life(not as money). As you can see scams etc. it's not only the problem of alts. People are scamming, govts are scamming. If you look at alts as a big research lab, they are doing their job well. |
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I'm not redefining or trying to avoid anything. Just take a book(not wiki, that's for lazy ass people) and learn by yourself. You want me to give you a lecture? Are you 15? Give me some legit arguments and prove that you know what you're talking about and I'm not. What constitues a currency? Why the altcoins are not currencies? You have to know what the currency is to answer those questions. I'm saying one thing and you are the other, not related to what I said. I asked you few simple questions about the economy and you were unable to answer.  Sorry, it seems like you can spot a little dog shit in your backyard but you can't spot that your whole face is covered in it too. Besides - if you don't care if someone takes you seriously, why are you posting here? Another example of your flawed logic. |
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If you asked anyone on Earth what the difference is they woudl stare at you for a while then shrug their shoulders. That's the answer for your question about context of altcoins(ok, maybe not altcoins but cryptos in general). I have mine context, you have yours. And there is no need to be nasty. I'm using it to earn some money. Someone else is using it as a source for new technology, some use it to scam people and others are falling for it. I can create an app or start my own coin and that's great. I have a freedom of choice and I don't care what people are thinking about it. To sum up, there is a lot of groups of people here and outside, but - as you admitted - most of them(including you  ) doesn't even know they already are a part of worldwide ponzi-scheme(sic!). That's the tunnel vision. Do you even know what's the inflation rate in your country, or who has the power to issue money? However, I understand your point of view, but as I said before there is no need to be nasty because no one will take it seriously. That's basically all I wanted to say, take care. |
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It's real simple.. If it's not used as a currency then it's not a currency /the end.
Yuuup, but firstly You should learn how to read understandingly. Who is claiming it has to be used as a means of payment(I believe that's what you meant)? How many victims you lure into a Ponzi scheme does not make it a successful currency LOL What do you think about central bank fiat ponzi schemes and what the term "successful currency" means? I recommend you to learn about the distinction between currency and money. Maybe then you'll send me a reply which actually makes sense. |
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You have some valid points. If someone thinks that those scamcoins will become the #1, widely used and accepted currency - they are delusional. It's all about p&d. But it doesn't mean that altcoin scene is a worthless shithole. A lot of valuable improvements and new technologies were developed here. Maybe few of those coins will find their niche.
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By the way, what is the most secure place to store the btc?
From my side,definitively,I hold all my btc on VNL So you are recommending a portfolio that is not diversified? That's funny. People here are acting like they are big investors. "O M G :O :O You are not diversifying? Its #1 rule." It's not a fricking Wall Street, you're not buying bonds to earn 4% per year, it's a casino. What do you want to diversify? Your risk is 100% on whatever coin you invest. Especially when you invest in altcoins, because you also have to follow bitcoin's price. Information assymetry is huuuge. Just decide how much you want to risk and diversify between crypto and other investments. Find a coin with best risk/reward ratio, take a gamble and don't hold it for too long. VNL is a great investment. I don't really see it going lower and has huge potential for growth. Risk/reward is outstanding. Why would I buy DASH or other shitcoins if there is literally very low potential for growth and risk is the same? This really doesn't make sense to hold more than 2-3 coins, because generally all of them are losing value with the passing time, so I don't want to follow this pattern. Doesn't matter if it's wall street or not. If you don't diversify, you are gambling. There are several coins that are good stores of wealth. Thanks for the discertation, but please, no one listen to this fool. You are gambling on every coin. The only diversification which makes sense is between crypto and real investments. There are several coins that are good stores of wealth. The only thing it takes is bitcoin to go from 420 down to 200. There goes your good store of wealth. LOL If someone doesn't understand the amount of risk which he takes by investing in a cryptocurrency then the discussion is just a waste of time. If you diversify between the highly correlated instruments with the very high rate of risk you only thinking you're not gambling and fooling yourself. Of course diversification lowers your risk(when you are investing and you know what the word "correlation" means ), but it also cuts your potential gains and when the risk is that high you don't want to do that. I wish you best of luck anyway. So you are saying that because the cryptosphere is so risky, diversification is not important? I'd still rather diversify my risks. And I never said btc was a good store of wealth. I like your use of vocabulary though. Makes you look intelligent. I'm not saying it's not important, but it might not be the best strategy. It also depends on your appetite for risk, but if it's low, why are you investing in crypto(high risk investment)? If every single coin in your wallet is heavily correlated with the bitcoin(and it is), doesn't matter how many you are holding, risk is not diversified(systematic risk is high). If bitcoin goes down, all of your coins will lose value. So you can only diversify the specific risk. Which IMO is not that high for the top, established coins. So as I said before, if the level of risk is similar I'm investing in the coins with the highest possible rate of return. That's why I said buy max. 2-3 coins and don't hold it for too long but I understand why he said he is holding everything in VNL. It makes sense and I'm doing the same thing(best risk/reward). |
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By the way, what is the most secure place to store the btc?
From my side,definitively,I hold all my btc on VNL So you are recommending a portfolio that is not diversified? That's funny. People here are acting like they are big investors. "O M G :O :O You are not diversifying? Its #1 rule." It's not a fricking Wall Street, you're not buying bonds to earn 4% per year, it's a casino. What do you want to diversify? Your risk is 100% on whatever coin you invest. Especially when you invest in altcoins, because you also have to follow bitcoin's price. Information assymetry is huuuge. Just decide how much you want to risk and diversify between crypto and other investments. Find a coin with best risk/reward ratio, take a gamble and don't hold it for too long. VNL is a great investment. I don't really see it going lower and has huge potential for growth. Risk/reward is outstanding. Why would I buy DASH or other shitcoins if there is literally very low potential for growth and risk is the same? This really doesn't make sense to hold more than 2-3 coins, because generally all of them are losing value with the passing time, so I don't want to follow this pattern. Doesn't matter if it's wall street or not. If you don't diversify, you are gambling. There are several coins that are good stores of wealth. Thanks for the discertation, but please, no one listen to this fool. You are gambling on every coin. The only diversification which makes sense is between crypto and real investments. There are several coins that are good stores of wealth. The only thing it takes is bitcoin to go from 420 down to 200. There goes your good store of wealth. LOL If someone doesn't understand the amount of risk which he takes by investing in a cryptocurrency then the discussion is just a waste of time. If you diversify between the highly correlated instruments with the very high rate of risk you only thinking you're not gambling and fooling yourself. Of course diversification lowers your risk(when you are investing and you know what the word "correlation" means ), but it also cuts your potential gains and when the risk is that high you don't want to do that. I wish you best of luck anyway. |
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By the way, what is the most secure place to store the btc?
From my side,definitively,I hold all my btc on VNL So you are recommending a portfolio that is not diversified? That's funny. People here are acting like they are big investors. "O M G :O :O You are not diversifying? Its #1 rule." It's not a fricking Wall Street, you're not buying bonds to earn 4% per year, it's a casino. What do you want to diversify? Your risk is 100% on whatever coin you invest. Especially when you invest in altcoins, because you also have to follow bitcoin's price. Information assymetry is huuuge. Just decide how much you want to risk and diversify between crypto and other investments. Find a coin with best risk/reward ratio, take a gamble and don't hold it for too long. VNL is a great investment. I don't really see it going lower and has huge potential for growth. Risk/reward is outstanding. Why would I buy DASH or other shitcoins if there is literally very low potential for growth and risk is the same? This really doesn't make sense to hold more than 2-3 coins, because generally most of them is losing value with the passing time, so I don't want to follow this pattern. |
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Keyser Söze is Satoshi
He is trying to convince the world that he doesn't exist to dump all of his coins at the least expected moment. |
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This is the best coin. Instant anonymous transactions with great scalability - it can't get better than this.
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There will be more and better apps than CLAM has. Looks like you are unable to read understandingly. It's been explained, just read the forum.
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aaaand back down again, this trend of going down never stops.
You are a pathetic loser and scammer. I urge everyone to look at this fucktards post history. He made a pseudo dev account for chips in order to dump on noobs. made me $, who's the fucktard now  you must be bored bro, or do you always troll through peoples history? i dont uderstand what your issue is, its simple math, if the price was 16,000sat, and now its 11,000sat, then its decreasing. 11,000 is less than 16,000 by 5000sat or 37.037% difference. dont get mad at me because you made a bad trade and brought at the top. you mind telling me any coin that has risen in a straight line mr chips vanillacoin, from may - aug and from aug - current, solid decrease. 10k floor seems apparent. ill buy when we dip to 10k again, i mean after all the only reason for the rise was because some twitter dude mentioned zeroconf - its all hype. a market that rises due to hype, will fall just as fast to its original value before the hype. Maybe it will dip to 10, maybe not and It doesn't really matter, because it won't stay that way for too long. This dude is a BIG, legit investor, if he decides to invest we will never see 10k again. Don't be upset that people don't give a f about your opinion. I would rather listen to an opinion of a guy who invests hundreds or thousands of bitcoins and knows the market than some scumbag who tries to scam people for 0.5 btc by taking over old shitcoins. Sorry, that's the truth. |
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This is perfect marketing opportunity for vnl.
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Hopefully, I'm waiting for some action at polo.
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It doesn't matter what they are using. ISIS is the problem, not Bitcoin. We can ban the Internet, weapons, cancel sport events, but the problem still will be there. If someone will fall for the propaganda against Bitcoin, I pity the fool.
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