I really think these silly voting processes are so lame (and do nothing to give me a good feeling about these exchanges running them).

as Tao says


Dash just should be on there. Period.

No. Next Tuesday at 11:22utc (not a minute earlier, not a minute later) is exactly the right time.   

It still looks impressive though. Things are getting twitchier and twitchier....

Okay, I guess the many thousands of addresses with a small amount of BTX in each then creates a lot of staking hence lots of blockchain transactions to help move things along. Good thinking.

Silly me. Just went back to Dashbord, all my BTX is staking! But I didn't even think to check because wallet is still in "not staking as you have immature coins" mode (i.e. symbol is grey, not green).

Will send to you when I can.

Can you just explain what you're trying to achieve by building a 'chain mover' and why it's important (and what it is exactly?)

That could be it. However, that raises another interesting point. My wallet's still saying "not staking as you have immature coins" yet I've been receiving some stakes (and I've had it unlocked since about 3 hours after the new wallet was made available, so that'd be more than 24 hours now). Was going to restart it but decided to not touch it to see if it comes good by itself.

Mmm....not sure if I've just discovered an issue with the new wallet.

Just tried to send you 1 BTX but after clicking on SEND button, dialogue box appearing to confirm send and then entering encryption password, nothing happens (still just sits there at send screen like you never did anything). Tried again too. The 1 BTX send hasn't appeared in transactions. Seems like it just doesn't want to do it.

Yes, I've had this too (on this new BTX wallet and other coins' wallets). However, if you wait for a while (and I'm not sure how long, but probably at least two minutes) the process does eventually shut down of its own accord and you're able to launch the wallet again with out getting the error message.

Well that's what I've experienced.

Great work by the way team; thanks for all your efforts. Looking forward to the masternode issue being fixed.

So I've been trying to keep up with developments with the (likely) upcoming Bitcoin hard fork and I have to say it's incredibly complex and difficult to understand.

There seems to be two main camps - Mike Hearn and Gavin Andresen ('for' the 20mb block size mod hard fork ) versus Adam Back and many others deeply concerned and worried by what's being suggested.

I'm no expert on the technological issues associated with the change but I'm picking up a sense that Hearn and Andresen are frustrated by the slow pace of development to effect improvement in the protocol and are pushing for this hard fork in a bull-dozing-through manner on the assumption that it just can't be achieved any other way and that they have many senior people across many major stakeholder organisations within the Bitcoin realm very much onside. But there are many many people in considerable disagreement, not the least of which are Chinese miners that are grouping together pushing for a more modest 8mb block size change.

Adam Back has written a very long and (IMO) well articulated posting to Mike Hearn on why the approach they're pushing for is so high risk and so problematic. You can read the whole thing here http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34208939/

Of particular note is this bit:



I wonder what others think about all of this? It's possible something fairly disadvantageous is about to happen to Bitcoin and it could come as a big shock for everyone not following what's going on.

As has been pointed out before, BTC is the backbone and entry crypto for every other alt. As BTC goes up, alts go up with it (and sometimes accelerate over and above the BTC rate of increase). Likewise, if BTC was to suffer some alarming fork where there was a failure consensus that went on for more then a few hours, the results could be disastrous and we could see value demolished with an even more devastating effect on alts.

Interested to hear views.

I think this one's so much funnier.

Have just seen Janet Yellen on TV in a sound byte warning of "the grave circumstances" if Greece fails to meet its creditor obligations (or at least negotiate further). Meanwhile thousands are amassing outside the Greek Parliament to pressure them to not back down.

19 Euro finance ministers are meeting in Luxembourg and no guesses as to what the main subject of discussion will be.

And the Greeks have just handed down a report from their "Truth Committee on Public Debt" that declared all debt to the troika "Illegal, Illegitimate, And Odious". (The troika being The IMF, ECB and Euro Commission; read about it here http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-17/greek-debt-committee-just-declared-all-debt-illegal-illegitimate-and-odious). So, they're in effect saying "Take your stupid debt and shove it...."

Potentially, there is movement of capital into other channels in response, crypto being one of them. It could get very interesting over the next few days.

Yes, didn't realise. As I said "No further interaction required" and his response to my last post vindicates it's most appropriate.

I am sincere but not young.

I don't know where I've spelt flawed incorrectly; it's in my posting spelt the same way as it is in yours.

Your (yet again) two or three throw-away sentences in a response indicates you're not willing to elaborate (and you're now hiding behind the oh-so-lame "I don't predict the future...I don't give investment advice" retort) so you've just moved far more along that imaginary line to the right.

No further interaction required.

s1gs3gv it's very easy for confirmation bias to set in to a community like this one and for everyone en masse to be fooled into believing they're on a pathway to success, when they're in fact all heading for a calamity that the confirmation bias's "don't listen to dissenting voices" aspect facilitates. I for one, want to have my views challenged and want to be surrounded by people that expect and welcome constructive criticism to help refine and hone the objectives we're working on.

However, there's a big difference between putting up sound competing arguments versus an overly negative stance that's contentious purely to put shit on someone else's good work. If I was to draw a line where at the left hand end there is "Offering constructive criticism to help engender robustness and improvement" and at the right hand end there is "I just think it's shit and I'm going to throw stones at it" I'd have to say I believe you're somewhere right of the middle point on that scale.

Toknormal is a prolific poster in this thread and brings much needed commentary to the nature of what crypto is, what potential improvements to the world's financial system it offers, the minutiae of how the various monetary properties of an asset that can be both a store of value & a mechanism for trade have been incorporated into Dash and how all this is related to the current situation the world is in. I for one have learnt much from his musings and I really appreciate the time and effort he puts into educating us.

Is he an oracle? Is he a guru? No, of course not (and he'd be the first to acknowledge that) but he does think things through pretty carefully before he posts and he sticks to logic and unemotional clarification of his views when he's criticised. In one of his last posts responding to you he said:


And basically that's where this conversation is now at. He's put in the hard yards to explain himself and elaborate on his views. If you believe we're all kidding ourselves here with this project and crypto is as lame as the tenor of your posts suggest, give us a detailed understanding of where our thinking is flawed and what external knowledge/factors back up your viewpoints. And by 'detailed' I mean more than just two or three throw-away sentences like you've been doing. Elaborate on what you're talking about and add value to your arguments in the same way as Toknormal does.

Mmm....and your 2 cents worth may indeed turn out to only be worth 2 cents too.

No one knows. All cryptos are subject to PnD but Dash has been trading with relative consistency for some time now. If it takes off again, it will no doubt pump up substantially but is likely to fall back to a new base that's higher than where it currently is.

The further this project goes on with the consistency, stability and progress being demonstrated, the more that people who previously wouldn't have considered buying Dash will seriously look at entering. That then is far more than just PnD activity.

LTC may overtake us in pricing shortly. Seems to be just powering upwards in a sustained pump that hasn't been seen for a long long time.

This is good as it will bring things alive somewhat. I just hope it doesn't crash back down again and burn even more people than have already lost so much on LTC (but we all know what happens when a crypto goes up very suddenly and unexpectedly like this)

It might be Dash's turn shortly too with today's milestone v12 testing announcement.

A bit of crypto excitement again!

It's not "opinion". You've said


The original BitcoinT project run by the scam devs was launched on 23/May/2015 (so under 7 weeks ago). "two months" ago was 16/May/2015. None of this was in existence AT ALL "two months" ago so having a go at the team for taking "two months" to release a wallet is based on nonsense and obvious ignorance on your part.

What the...! The old BitcoinT (the original project by the scam devs) wasn't even operational 2 months ago!

This take-over community team only relaunched (what would have been most definitely a dead coin) on 5/May/2015, so just on 6 weeks ago. In that time much has been achieved and the new wallet we're awaiting for after the coins swap that's just completed on C-Cex will (amongst other new features) allow masternodes to be run.

An awful lot has been achieved by some very diligent people who've stepped up and taken the project forward.

Your comment is ignorant in the extreme!

White tea with a of honey thanks Sub-Ether.

And C-Cex BTX wallet's still in 'maintenance' too.

Well, take your time. Better to get whatever's wrong fixed before everyone starts installing the wallet and attempting to transfer their BTX (and then complaining when it's broken).