DarkSend is a good name and explains what the overall concept is very well.
It's fine as a name. But it doesn't explain the concept. Try explaining it to someone without using the words CoinJoin - a concept which doesn't work ...yet the denomination process is users sending coins of common denominations to one another, round after round.  |
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It means that they are waiting for someone to take their bait and promote them (e.g. put a direct link to their thread)  |
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What's your strategy here ? Your coin (Cloak) is going down and you want to bring DRK down with you ? That's sad but go troll somewhere else. |
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Just a question.
When DRK goes open source, what's to stop someone setting up a masternode service for the Bitcoin network so that anyone that wants to can "anonymise" their holdings in the background without the need to actually convert their holdings to another cryptocurrency ?
I sort of suggested something similar for all the clones that will be set-up, in return for paying the DRK MNs some of their shitcoins or in BTC. Everyone said to just let them suffer and die. The interesting question - can DRK MNs offer this service to Bitcoin, for a fee? As a masternode owner, I also find this question intriguing.  I raise with a $ \ € -> DRK -> $ \ € service. |
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9/14 8:51 pm <evan82> I just solved one of the largest problems facing Bitcoin. Instant transactions. I know how to do it... 9/14 8:52 pm <evan82> It'll be compatible with Darksend too. So we'll have anonymous instant transactions. 9/14 8:52 pm <evan82> Oh and there will be no bloat, that is the problem with POS. I bet we can get a confirmation within 10-20 seconds in most cases. 9/14 8:52 pm <evan82> It also fixes the finney attack, which is another huge problem for bitcoin 9/14 8:56 pm <eth2> =) thats some good news 9/14 8:56 pm <eth2> lemme know when you need testers 9/14 8:57 pm <evan82> Yeah, I'm obviously pretty excited about it. I just had a eureka moment 9/14 8:58 pm <evan82> It's simple, elegant, instant and will cost a ton of money to subvert. Perfect  9/14 8:59 pm <eth2> does that have any technical implication on how transactions are processed and blocks? 9/14 8:59 pm <eth2> from a pool standpoint 9/14 8:59 pm <evan82> nope. 9/14 8:59 pm <evan82> It's not even a hard fork [...] 9/14 9:25 pm <moli> interesting.. https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/4942/what-is-a-finney-attack9/14 9:27 pm <evan82> It could possibly stop a finney attack. It's funny you post that, it's what I'm thinking about righ now 9/14 9:27 pm <evan82> right* 9/14 9:28 pm <evan82> It can definitely stop all other double spends, but finney attacks require the client to reject blocks. Nice ! PS : It's not "nice", it's huge ! |
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apple=mobiles and computers!!  wii u = games console! oculus rift = vr headset! xbox one = 3rd gen microsoft games console! darksend+ = anon by mixing coins no need to change anything.  Exactly ! How about these Apple products and services: iPhone iTunes iCloud Apple Watch Apple Pay Are they fairly self explanatory, or not? The previous examples and yours prove that the name is not that important, it can be related or non related to the function/service. So why the hang-up ? "When everything is fine let's find a trivial matter to argue about" lol I agree in a way that the name can be related or not but I think we can probably agree that iPizza would have been a bad name for the phone, or iPhone would have been a bad name for an iPod with no network capabilities. In my opinion it would be a mistake to continue with Darksend to describe the anonymisation mixing/blending/fogging process, (or whatever else you want to call it). Send is a verb which already has a fairly well established meaning, and I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it does not mean mixing. It's erroneous to think that Darkcoin is too far along for DarkSend to be renamed at this point. The number of people who actually know what DarkSend is right now must be fairly low, certainly lower than most of us here think it should be and much lower than it will be if cryptocurrencies really take off. In fact, I would say during the release candidate stage is a great time to fix things. The consumers want to send funds anonymously they use for that something named Darksend : it's not far fetched. The coins can be "blended", "mixed", "shuffled" or "teleported" as part of the process, they don't care, their goal is to send cash via internet. Or you call it DarkDenominationMixRounds jk |
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apple=mobiles and computers!! wii u = games console! oculus rift = vr headset! xbox one = 3rd gen microsoft games console! darksend+ = anon by mixing coins no need to change anything. Exactly ! How about these Apple products and services: iPhone iTunes iCloud Apple Watch Apple Pay Are they fairly self explanatory, or not? The previous examples and yours prove that the name is not that important, it can be related or non related to the function/service. So why the hang-up ? "When everything is fine let's find a trivial matter to argue about" lol |
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apple=mobiles and computers!! wii u = games console! oculus rift = vr headset! xbox one = 3rd gen microsoft games console! darksend+ = anon by mixing coins no need to change anything. Exactly ! |
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Sounds like your copying the "StealthSend" name.
1/ "Darksend" is used since the first quarter of 2014... Help me to remember, when was created Stealthcoin ? 2/ That poll has some bias just saying ... |
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Darksend helps you send money anonymously how the internal process happens is not that relevant to the general public.
+1 It IS important because it misleads people about how it works, and they wonder why they have to do all this crap and watch a status bar, etc. Calling it DarkSend leads people to think they just fire up the client and magic anon start sending. But it does not at all work like that. The name no longer describes it. Worse, it misleads the nob into expecting very different operation than must be performed. No, I will not just "drop it" because it fucking matters. Especially among all you promoters of "mass adoption, make it easy for stupid people, the noobs can't use it so my price no go moon!" If cars were called flying machines, people would wonder what the fuck is wrong with the person who named it that after they figured out that it doesn't do anything at all what the name says... Calling it "DarkSend:" 1) Misrepresents it in a confusing way 2) Leaves those who figure it out wondering what kind of lying dunce came up with that name... Making it hard to figure out by misrepresenting it, and then looking like an idiot and a liar if/when they do figure it out... Yeah, way to inspire confidence and incite mass adoption... Brilliant. Being arrogant and stubborn in the face of your very own technological advancements looks pretty bad, too... A Brand has to evolve with the tech it represents. Intel doesn't call their processors 386 anymore; because they're not 386s anymore. DarkSend isn't DarkSend anymore, it's not even DarkSend+ anymore, it's way, way beyond that to such an extreme that the function and operation are not even remotely close to what it used to be. The difference is so massive that the old name has become deceptive and counter-intuitive. So, the name needs to grow up to represent that fact. Need to step back and see this from the noob perspective. Branding of any kind if for noob idiots, know your audience. If you're going to stoop to the level of branding and marketing, at least get it right... Your name has to be, in some way, descriptive of the function. At the moment, It is not only failing to do that, but is, in fact, contrary to function. It is confusing. Even worse, once the confusion passes (if it passes), it makes the whole project look sketchy by forcing the user to wonder WTF is going on with the lies and stupidity... This does not inspire confidence or promote adoption, quite the opposite. A brand name doesn't have to explain anything about the process that's not its goal, it could have been "Moonlight" instead of "Darksend". |
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Darkmix sounds like something some shitcoin made up.
Darksend sound professional and i think we should stick to the name it had from start.
+1 Coin101, I understand that you like the name you come up with, but imagine if everyone was doing this... One promotes the coin by using the name "Darkmix", the other with "Darkpay" and an other with "Darksend" etc. |
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Looks like in this thread people can't doubt the price or the process...
funny
You can test Darksend+ right now, it's not just a whitepaper ... Funny that you don't doubt coins which only provide the latter. |
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^ It seems that "cloners" are on the starting line too |
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#GMAIL was hacked - CHANGE YOUR PASSWORD #GmailHacked
Gmail was not hacked. It seems that they got the passwords via other websites, because some people tend to use the same password everywhere. On that note, this forum needs 2FA IMHO. |
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Keep in mind this is not pump material. Page 23 is pretty clear on what remains to be fixed. Of course, this is not a zero-proof system, so attack vectors will always exist, but if we can reduce the number, it'd be cool.
It is absolutely not. However, trolls will be trolls and they don't care about reading any of the details - just spreading FUD around the internet. Well, in my view this is pretty good and worth saying so. News are News are News are News ! No pump here, just putting it out there where it belongs as it is posted by Kristov already ! +1 It simply shows that the Darkcoin's dev team is working, here it's not just talk and announcements. |
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"A number of variables must be carefully selected in order to practically limit the size of Darksend+ transactions and “blockchain bloat,” such as the number of Darksend+ peers per round, the number and quantities of denominations, etc. Note that the majority of Darkcoin transactions do not necessarily use Darksend+, such as exchange transactions, mining, mining pool payouts, web services, etc. Considerations for whether Darksend+ is scalable in the future are beyond the intended scope of this document."
Is scalability an issue for us due to potential blockchain bloat?
Scaling is an issue even for Bitcoin - if transaction numbers spike. DarkSend, especially with multiple round mixing, creates bloat but it can be pruned from the blockchain at a future time. If DarkSend creates, say, 10x bloat compared to Bitcoin and Darkcoin has 1/10th of the transactions of Bitcoin, it would be around the same in terms of usability. Numbers are out of my a$$ btw.  https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf |
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If CoinJoin was a car wash that you traveled to and drove through in order to clean your car, Darksend+ would be a service that washes it in your driveway every night so that you always find the car clean when you’re ready to drive. |
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can sb explain to me why open source should be beneficial to the price?
why should clones be good for the price?
lol
I don't know about the direct effect on the price, but it can be good in term of trust and therefore adoption. |
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