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261  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Exit strategy o cash out di BTC o altra Coin senza pagare tasse on: March 16, 2024, 12:53:41 PM
L'utente stava chiedendo strategie di uscita non proprio convenzionali ed è ritornata la storia dei buoni Amazon e dei supermercati (guarda caso delle catene più economiche in circolazione).

Se uno investe in cripto e fa la spesa da Esselunga c'è qualcosa che non va, questo imho!

Gli acquisti su Amazon bene o male li fanno un pò tutti ma non è che uno investe in crypto per poi andare su Amazon e comprarsi il libro, le scarpe o chissà cos'altro.


Il thread parla (almeno che non ho inteso male io) di strategie per fare cash out di btc o altre crypto senza pagare tasse.

Ormai non è più possibile fare questo movimento senza dover rinunciare a qualcosa, quindi o rinunci a pagare le tasse e ti accontenti dei buoni pasto della caritas, o paghi le tasse e bona che finita!
In Italia non puoi farlo purtroppo, vuoi usare i P2P?? La banca poi vorrà sapere l'origine o la motivazione di ingenti somme se sospette, ci si mette la zappata sui piedi da soli.
Vuoi usare i DEX? Non puoi fare cash out diretto sui DEX, quindi poi ti devi appoggiare per forza di cose hai CEX.

Io non ci trovo niente di male a dover usare le crypto per lo scopo di cui sono state concepite, usarle per acquistare beni o servizi, e sono uno che le utilizza per tale motivo, ti può sembrare stupido? Per me non lo è! Questione di punti di vista, sarei anche libero di utilizzare i fondi come meglio mi pare...
262  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: March 16, 2024, 12:35:34 PM
The Napoli and Inter Milan match is the only match that we can say as a bigmatch this week, so far Intermilan is still able to maintain its consistency in the league while Napoli who are also unbeaten in 5 league matches will certainly make the match more interesting, currently Napoli is struggling to enter the European competition zone so it demands them not to lose the remaining matches including against Intermilan,  Intermilan, who have been safe in the league, certainly no longer have the motivation to win every remaining game they currently have for avoid the risk of possible player injuries.
My Pediction, Napoli will win 1-0 over Intermilan in the match later.
I cannot agree with you. In the Napoli vs Inter Milan match, I consider Inter Milan as favourites. Napoli are unbeaten in the last 5 matches, but Napoli have won only 2 of these 5 matches. Their overall performance is still erratic. It will not be possible to beat a strong opponent like Inter Milan with such erratic performances.

This is Inter Milan's home match. Inter Milan will definitely want to win at home. Inter Milan players will not disappoint the fans. Inter Milan have also won their last two matches against Napoli. Inter Milan's defense is very strong. Inter Milan conceded only 13 goals in 28 matches this season. Napoli players will not be able to break such a strong defense.
I fear that Inter is in a waning phase at the moment, I think so because during the match against Atletico Madrid all the players seemed very tired, despite Inter remains the strongest in Serie A I think that the next match against Napoli is not completely obvious its victory, Napoli is not in good shape and Inter is in a bit of a waning phase and I think we will see a very balanced match. As an Inter fan I hope they can win this big match and continue their unbroken run towards winning Scudetto number 20

I wouldn't say there is absolutely no chance of Inter Milan losing. Inter Milan is a strong team. Although the team has been eliminated from the Champions League, I would not say that there has been much deterioration in the performance of the players. The match against Napoli is not an important match for Inter Milan. Winning the Serie A title is not difficult for Inter Milan. And I agree with you that the Inter Milan players looked a bit tired in the match against Atlético Madrid. Inter Milan will easily win this season's Serie A title even if they don't win the match against Napoli. I will refrain from betting on this match. As the match is not important for Inter Milan. So Milan players may not give full effort to win.

I agree with you, most probably for Inter this will not be an important match, but winning it would mean getting closer and closer to Inter's primary objective, which is to win the Scudetto, there are 10 rounds left to the end of the championship and Inter with 16 points ahead of Milan who are second can close the accounts with 5 rounds to go. The calendar is favourable and making a comparison with Milan I think we could see the awarding of the Scudetto in the derby of Milan.
263  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Exit strategy o cash out di BTC o altra Coin senza pagare tasse on: March 16, 2024, 08:24:52 AM
Secondo me con le normative europee attuali, se proprio devi fare cashout, la soluzione meno dolorosa rimane quella di dichiarare il possesso e pagare le tasse sulle plusvalenze. Capisco che dover dare allo stato una percentuale così sproporzionata è alquanto irritante ma sempre meglio di dover lottare contro banche ADE e via discorrendo.
Oppure se non hai vincoli familiari, non detieni nulla di proprietà, valuta di andare all'estero per una decina di anni in uno stato con poche tasse, chesso magari tipo la Thailandia?? (Si mangia bene e la vita non è cara) Fai cashout e poi torni.
Oppure come ti hanno già detto, mantieni un profilo basso, usa carte crypto o meglio ancora usa le crypto per acquistare carte regalo tipo per Amazon, Conad, Despar, Esselunga ecc ecc buoni benzina! Dove non è strettamente richiesta la tua identità e nessuno ti verrà a rompere i maroni
264  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: March 16, 2024, 08:10:02 AM
The Napoli and Inter Milan match is the only match that we can say as a bigmatch this week, so far Intermilan is still able to maintain its consistency in the league while Napoli who are also unbeaten in 5 league matches will certainly make the match more interesting, currently Napoli is struggling to enter the European competition zone so it demands them not to lose the remaining matches including against Intermilan,  Intermilan, who have been safe in the league, certainly no longer have the motivation to win every remaining game they currently have for avoid the risk of possible player injuries.
My Pediction, Napoli will win 1-0 over Intermilan in the match later.

I cannot agree with you. In the Napoli vs Inter Milan match, I consider Inter Milan as favourites. Napoli are unbeaten in the last 5 matches, but Napoli have won only 2 of these 5 matches. Their overall performance is still erratic. It will not be possible to beat a strong opponent like Inter Milan with such erratic performances.

This is Inter Milan's home match. Inter Milan will definitely want to win at home. Inter Milan players will not disappoint the fans. Inter Milan have also won their last two matches against Napoli. Inter Milan's defense is very strong. Inter Milan conceded only 13 goals in 28 matches this season. Napoli players will not be able to break such a strong defense.

I fear that Inter is in a waning phase at the moment, I think so because during the match against Atletico Madrid all the players seemed very tired, despite Inter remains the strongest in Serie A I think that the next match against Napoli is not completely obvious its victory, Napoli is not in good shape and Inter is in a bit of a waning phase and I think we will see a very balanced match. As an Inter fan I hope they can win this big match and continue their unbroken run towards winning Scudetto number 20
265  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: [DIY] come usare BITCOIN in modo proficuo ed efficiente nella vita REALE on: March 15, 2024, 10:46:13 PM

Ma ovvio che lo sapeva, solo gli stolti follower che gli sbavano dietro potevano credere che fosse un essere benevolo e di grande cuore!!
Per certi versi invidio chi è stato in grado di diventare influencer, alcuni meritano, altri meno tipo la Ferragni perché hanno costruito il loro benessere sul inganno ma adesso sia lei che il suo maritino vogliono fare capire che anche i pidocchi hanno la tosse


Compare Lillominato89 guarda che se ci sono i follower e se la seguono il motivo principale è che mostra le sue bellezze a tutti quanti, vuoi che ti indichi qualche coso instagram? credo che ce ne siano un bel popo da vedere. Per quello la seguono.

Ovvio che la seguono per le sue bellezze, che però francamente per me è tutto stucco questa ragazza, inoltre è tabula rasa sia di testa che di petto, da buon siculo a me piace altro, devi toccare! Credo che ci siamo capiti. Io credo che sono l'unico mentecatto in Italia che usa Istagram solo per le ricette  Grin Chiudo offtopic perché stiamo andando sul hot ahaha
266  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Lega Serie A 🇮🇹 (Italian League) Prediction Thread 2023/2024⚽ on: March 15, 2024, 10:39:26 PM
I personally think Juventus really doesn't have a strong squad who could fight for title for such a long period. Sure , they will be able to catch top 4 ( with a bit of luck ) and catch another chance to play UCL next year , but then again , I don't see them having any importance performance in UCL with current squad they have.

Inter on the other hand , are having a great squad who showed us they can reach UCL finals like last year but also this year where they just got eliminated by ATL.Madrid but overall , no one can stop Inter from winning Scudetto this year but also next year as well.  Grin
Squad depth is definitely important, but they weren't playing in many cups, so it felt like they could maybe do it. A bit of unlucky injuries and such caused some troubles for them, which resulted with them losing a lot of games. Obviously this also had a benefit of finding out some new good young players that they were forced to use, but that means those young players wouldn't get the time otherwise, so it benefited them too. I think next season they will care more about depth, plus they will be in UCL as well.

Also, I would like to point out that while Juventus had some troubles, Inter was insanely good during this period as well, yes Juventus didn't win many, but Inter didn't lose at all, that's just way too good from them.


precisely, not playing any cup, how did they manage to lose their athletic form so quickly? I don't want to defend anyone, I make rational and logical deductions, we have a physical and athletic preparation problem
It's no coincidence that last season there were so many injured people... could it be a coincidence? I do not think so

I think the main problem lies in the athletic preparation and trainers, for me Juventus have a very strong team and I honestly don't understand why this big gap with Inter. I've never liked Allegri as a coach, and his tactical vision leaves a lot to be desired. I hope Juventus change coach next year
267  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: [DIY] come usare BITCOIN in modo proficuo ed efficiente nella vita REALE on: March 14, 2024, 03:54:24 PM
lol non sapevo questo detto
in ogni caso tornando in topic, io sto vedendo sempre piu perosne usare LN e sto facendo proseliti

quando ho mandato un pagamento e ho pagato SOLO 147 satoshi ho avuto un attimo una specie di orgasmo (ieri questi)
tanta tanta roba

Detto siciliano, strano che non lo hai mai sentito. Ovviamente chiudiamo OT  Wink
LN sta attraendo sempre più persone e non soltanto bitcoiner, ma anche shitcoiner. Il che è un bene! Paghi per i tuoi acquisti e spendi quasi zero di fee, e poi con la velocità della luce. Tanta roba veramente
268  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: March 14, 2024, 03:44:56 PM

And Inter its out.
Good for Altleco in a very bad season.



Honestly I didn't think Inter could lose this game, they had even gone ahead and everything was pointing to a passage to the round, but that's ok, it means that this year their goal is just to win the Scudetto. As an Inter fan I am obviously sorry for this defeat, but honour to the winners who deserved more this passage of the round. Unfortunately for Italy there will be no more team to bring further points to the UEFA ranking

This is a very difficult match, and to be honest, I didn't think Inter Milan would lose and Atlético Madrid would qualify. This is because Inter Milan's play this season has led many to believe that they will advance far in the Champions League, but let's be honest, both teams take their games very seriously. However, I don't think Inter Milan performed as well as they could have because they aren't scoring goals the way they used to. Inter Milan will have opportunities to score, but they won't be able to convert shots. That's the nature of the game; no matter how strong a team is, they will eventually lose.

Congratulations to Atlético Madrid! I'm very pleased with their performance. Atlético Madrid made sure that there were plenty of La Liga teams in the quarterfinals. Since La Liga teams had not advanced to the quarterfinals of the Champions League in a long, they will now be happy. It will also be beneficial if La Liga teams win the Champions League this season because the Premier League team won it the previous season, so they should allow La Liga teams to win the league as well.

I think Inter did not give their best performance last night, I saw them very tired. Inzaghi has changed the starting line-up a few times this year and now the fitness is suffering. But it's a discourse that changes little, you can't change a winning team (Italian saying), simply Athletic Madrid believed in it more than Inter and deserved the passage to the round.
269  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: March 14, 2024, 03:38:01 PM

Napoli is in trouble this year. They were great last year and had a dream season. This year, there is not even a trace of last year. I don't recognize Naples. After seeing this poor performance this year, I think they should prepare harder for next year. I think they will fight for the Scudetto again next year.
Napoli, who this season are still ranked seventh in the Serie A standings, will also not be able to take the top five positions to be in the Europa League next season. Because Atalanta and Roma are still much better than the current Napoli, the Napoli team has really experienced setbacks this season and they can't expect more good things unless they can improve their way of playing quite well in the remainder of this season.

It is difficult to say whether or not Napoli will manage to reach at least sixth place in the league table, there are still 10 matches to be played and nothing is decided yet, only the field will be able to tell us whether or not Napoli deserve to go to the Europa League, very difficult instead will be to reach fourth place, so by now Napoli's goal will be either Europa League or Conference League
To catch the UCL zone, Napoli are already quite far behind and I don't think Napoli can catch up with the remaining matches this season, which has a few games left and is almost at the end of the season. The only thing that Napoli can achieve is to be in the UEL or ECL zone because the points distance is not too far, yes, even though it is not as big as the UCL, to maintain Napoli's good name and performance, at least Napoli must be in one of these competitions because otherwise it will be seen as bad by the fans as the team that won the title last season.

Recovering a seven point deficit will not be easy for Napoli, but they could manage it, but they must hope that Bologna, Roma and Atalanta start to get bad results in their next matches. They could manage it because Napoli still have to play against Atalanta and Roma, and winning the direct clashes can lead to the goal. I repeat it is difficult but it can succeed, but above all it must try to get a place at least in the Europa League
270  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Lega Serie A 🇮🇹 (Italian League) Prediction Thread 2023/2024⚽ on: March 14, 2024, 03:27:48 PM
true, you are right about mathematical certainty, like you I wouldnt celebrate if mathematical certainty isnt there, obv
Lets call it superstition or whatever you want, I understand your reasons very well!
As an outsider, I cant help but understand that you won by a landslide, well done Inter

honestly I didn`t do the math with a calculator in hand, I miss that
but surely mathematical security will arrive soon with all these advantageous points

surely @Lillominato89 knows when this will happen, he will have done the calculations, so we ask him directly


The calculations are easy to make, you don't even need a calculator. There are exactly 10 matches to go before the end of the championship, so there are still 30 possible points at stake, Inter have 16 more than Milan who are second, so there are 14 more to decree the winner (obviously if both Inter and Milan maintain this gap), so today there are only 5 matches left. In 5 matches the derby against Milan falls. Who knows, friends, who knows!
271  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: March 13, 2024, 11:34:58 PM

Napoli is in trouble this year. They were great last year and had a dream season. This year, there is not even a trace of last year. I don't recognize Naples. After seeing this poor performance this year, I think they should prepare harder for next year. I think they will fight for the Scudetto again next year.
Napoli, who this season are still ranked seventh in the Serie A standings, will also not be able to take the top five positions to be in the Europa League next season. Because Atalanta and Roma are still much better than the current Napoli, the Napoli team has really experienced setbacks this season and they can't expect more good things unless they can improve their way of playing quite well in the remainder of this season.

It is difficult to say whether or not Napoli will manage to reach at least sixth place in the league table, there are still 10 matches to be played and nothing is decided yet, only the field will be able to tell us whether or not Napoli deserve to go to the Europa League, very difficult instead will be to reach fourth place, so by now Napoli's goal will be either Europa League or Conference League
272  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: [DIY] come usare BITCOIN in modo proficuo ed efficiente nella vita REALE on: March 13, 2024, 11:23:49 PM
Però alla cara e benevola mogliettina la stanno trapanando a puntino.
Comunque sia l'ade scandaglia tutto e mette priorità a certe cose, magari chi deve avere una multa di 500€ e meno importante di chi ne deve pagare 2000€ tanto per fare un esempio
Però come dice babo i pesci grossi li lasciano stare

la cara e benevola mogliettina e' una persona con intelligenza pari a zero
perche puoi scamparla 1, 2 volte che fai la furbacchiona con i soldi che devi dare in beneficienza
ma prima poi il gioco non funziona piu

mo non venirmi a dire che non lo sapeva, non lo sapeva un cazzo poi dopo lo scandalo magicamente i soldi sono andati a chi di dovere
diciamo che sono furbi stupidi e quindi prima o poi i nodi vengono al pettine

Ma ovvio che lo sapeva, solo gli stolti follower che gli sbavano dietro potevano credere che fosse un essere benevolo e di grande cuore!!
Per certi versi invidio chi è stato in grado di diventare influencer, alcuni meritano, altri meno tipo la Ferragni perché hanno costruito il loro benessere sul inganno ma adesso sia lei che il suo maritino vogliono fare capire che anche i pidocchi hanno la tosse
273  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: March 13, 2024, 11:15:42 PM

And Inter its out.
Good for Altleco in a very bad season.



Honestly I didn't think Inter could lose this game, they had even gone ahead and everything was pointing to a passage to the round, but that's ok, it means that this year their goal is just to win the Scudetto. As an Inter fan I am obviously sorry for this defeat, but honour to the winners who deserved more this passage of the round. Unfortunately for Italy there will be no more team to bring further points to the UEFA ranking
274  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: March 13, 2024, 05:00:39 PM
obviously I had bet on Barcelona, obviously I'm sorry to bet against Italian teams, but Napoli's decline is not a decline, it's a really strong crisis they are also starting to go outside the cup zone in my opinion and they risk a lot I don't know if they will be able to recover, certainly in my opinion they will lose their top striker

Napoli are obviously, as you say, in steep decline, but already since the end of last year. Spalletti smelled that something was wrong and he did well to leave before making a bad impression. I didn't want to make any bets on this match, but many people bet on the victory of Barcelona, who deservedly are now in the quarter-finals of this Champions League. Too bad for Napoli, because by exiting this Champions League they have in fact given access to the next World Cup to Juventus (who qualify without playing a match Cheesy ).
275  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Lega Serie A 🇮🇹 (Italian League) Prediction Thread 2023/2024⚽ on: March 13, 2024, 04:53:26 PM
Dear friend, it's true that Inter has a 16 point lead over second place but it's also true that until mathematics condemns Milan or Juventus to second place we can't celebrate any Scudetto won, don't bring bad luck please haha. I'm waiting for 21 April to celebrate the Scudetto hoping to win it in front of Milan Grin
 In Champions League it will be tough, but who knows! Maybe luck will assist us. But it's more important to take the coefficient to get the extra slot next year
true, you are right about mathematical certainty, like you I wouldnt celebrate if mathematical certainty isnt there, obv
Lets call it superstition or whatever you want, I understand your reasons very well!
As an outsider, I cant help but understand that you won by a landslide, well done Inter

Exactly man, until I'm sure I can cheer I won't, I understand that recovering 16 points is very difficult, but never say never in football. Anyway I really hope Inter can win the Scudetto exactly on the day of the derby against Milan, it would be the apotheosis ahahah but I think it will be difficult.
276  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: March 12, 2024, 10:05:22 PM
Barcelona - Napoli 3-1

A great victory for Barcelona, they played totally attacking throughout the match. From the statistics I see a very good figure, 24 shots taken and 10 shots on goal. Really a good match to watch, a pity for Napoli, in the first leg they had shown that they could get the qualification, but at Camp Nou it is difficult to come out victorious
277  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Lega Serie A 🇮🇹 (Italian League) Prediction Thread 2023/2024⚽ on: March 12, 2024, 10:00:30 PM
Bologna - Inter 0-1

A hard-fought victory for Inter this evening in the delicate match against Bologna. Inter won 0-1 thanks to a header goal from their defender Bisseck, which momentarily brings Inter to +18 on Juventus who will play tomorrow against Atalanta


and nothing.. dear Inter fan and Sicilian friend, in the end you won the scudetto
I can say with sincere honesty that it was an honor to battle with such a strong Inter and I will tell you more! In the Champions League I support Inter, lets hope they win so I can say, yes Juventus lost, but they lost to the European champions. So now dont disappoint me!!


Dear friend, it's true that Inter has a 16 point lead over second place but it's also true that until mathematics condemns Milan or Juventus to second place we can't celebrate any Scudetto won, don't bring bad luck please haha. I'm waiting for 21 April to celebrate the Scudetto hoping to win it in front of Milan Grin
 In Champions League it will be tough, but who knows! Maybe luck will assist us. But it's more important to take the coefficient to get the extra slot next year
278  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Lega Serie A 🇮🇹 (Italian League) Prediction Thread 2023/2024⚽ on: March 12, 2024, 03:33:57 PM
Zinedine Zidane has a really interesting manager career.  Cheesy  He managed only Real Madrid but he achieved really important achievements also. Winning the CL title 3 times in a row deserves the respect definitely! However he had a squad full of very skilled players too. Even Ronaldo was there those times. I would really like to see what he can do with a lower-tier squad.  Smiley

Juventus are one of those teams I guess. It could be a really tough challenge for Juventus - especially while the Serie A isn't under Juventus domination anymore.  Wink

But truthfully I don't think he would think of going there. As far as I know he only wants to manage French national team now.

sometimes being a great coach while being a great player is not something to be taken for granted
playing is one thing, coaching is another, however Zinedine Zidane seems to me to be a very intelligent and capable boy, so he can do practically what he wants, he also has talent in coaching, of course is my honest opinion




It's a pity he's unemployed, and for someone like him who has won three Champions Leagues in a row it shouldn't be difficult to find another team straight away, so I assume it's his choice not to coach for the time being. I would see him very well in Italy with Juventus, maybe he will decrease the technical gap against Inter and we can see a more intense and hard-fought Serie A
279  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Notizie spazzatura su bitcoin/blockchain on: March 12, 2024, 02:07:58 PM
Occhio che dopo Alvin arriveranno sicuramente Simon e poi Theodore e inizieremo a cantare le canzoncine di Natale
Come siamo messi male! Il giornalismo italiano si deve concentrare su cronaca nera e abusivismo, il resto dovrebbero lasciarlo a chi di dovere.  Grin
280  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: [Crpito] Strategie di investimento on: March 12, 2024, 12:05:42 PM

LOL!
Ma che schermata è?
“Bitcoin rompe i 73,000 Dollari”.
Forse vede nel futuro.
Oppure mi sono perso io qualcosa. E comunque se lo usa Trump, siamo a posto 170k soon.

Si chiama hodl, un app minimalista. La uso solo per vedere i prezzi delle Coin che mi interessano anche se i prezzi non rispecchiano la realtà dei fatti
Non guardare la sezione notizie perché potremmo riempire il thread notizie spazzatura solo facendo uso di questa app  Grin
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