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261  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / f2pool not supporting roundtable was Re: 「魚池」BTC:270 Phash/s - LTC:500 Ghash/s - New Server in U.S. stratum-us.f2pool.com on: February 25, 2016, 05:27:31 PM
Current network already can handle traffic at 16MB, if the volume doubles each year, that's no problem for another 4 years. And there is no point to forecast anything beyond 4 years (Government might ban bitcoin at that time, or bitcoin out-competed by a world coin setup by world largest banks using blockchain, too many uncertainties)

Currently fastest fiber network can do 255Tbps
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/192929-255tbps-worlds-fastest-network-could-carry-all-the-internet-traffic-single-fiber

And if you can successfully do a hard fork, it is very beneficial for bitcoin, means in future, many changes and optimization can be done on the current architecture cleanly without using deceptive soft-fork hack
262  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How good is prune mode! on: February 25, 2016, 12:06:25 AM
Does not work for me who constantly swapping wallet.dat
263  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Coinbase CEO disagree with "The Bitcoin Roundtable Consensus Proposal" on: February 22, 2016, 05:22:54 PM
In fact, if you carefully analyze this announcement, it is full of holes and incorrect terms(What is that "non-witness data"?), obviously written by someone who don't even understand segwit. So it is just chinese miners are intentionally making a deal, without even look at who is making the deal with them  Grin

Why chinese miners are scared by a hard fork? Because a hard fork might cause large amount of coin withdraw from their FRB operated exchanges and that may cause a bank run on them. So there are lots of shady things going behind the scene Wink

We know that bitcoin is created to prevent FRB from happening, so ironic, now FRB become the tool to prevent bitcoin from happening
264  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Coinbase CEO disagree with "The Bitcoin Roundtable Consensus Proposal" on: February 22, 2016, 05:08:06 PM
No one takes that round table proposal seriously, don't we lack of these kind of announcement/proposal year over year?  Grin

1. None of the core devs are in the meeting, Adam signed that letter as "individual", these days everyone can represent himself as bitcoin CEO
2. The proposal is just a pie in the sky promise, does not provide any details about the hard fork and how it is going to be implemented
3. It is just a move trying to push in an architecture change (SegWit) that is impossible to pass chinese miners or core devs' approval in near future
4. Chinese miners will understand later that they get nothing by doing everything for Blockstream, and trash it just like they trash the classic support proposal


265  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Consensus Reached on: February 20, 2016, 08:53:29 PM
This is not a consensus, just a statement from FOMC meeting. And these miners seems never stick to their words: One day they support classic, another day they support blockstream, I guess next time they will have their own devs and support nobody

Blockstream obviously does not want to raise the block size, if they do, then they can do it today right now. So their plan is to first send LN into rail. But in order to make people use LN, they must limit the transaction on chain, so they will come up with another idea later, like 99% consensus HF.  But someone already raised legal issues about LN hubs, they are financial institution and must be regulated in US, and not allowed in China

So far nothing more interesting than the old style enterprise politics power grab, I hoped bitcoin can do better but obviously almost all the things that have lots of value ends up like this
266  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Why soft fork is a very bad idea and should be avoided at all costs on: February 20, 2016, 08:15:53 PM
This is only technically, and you have financial measure: First make sure non of the major exchanges support the exchange of the minority coin,
Yeah, and then we can make it rain gold, and travel in time, and profit!

Most exchanges and merchants are with standard Bitcoin.  I think the exchange with the most users is Localbitcoins, and Localbitcoins are not going with any of the forkers.  This is more than enough to make sure Bitcoin will still be liquid.  I will never switch to a fork myself.  If I try to sell an altcoin as Bitcoin, I am going to get sued and ruined on the first attempt.

AFAIK only Coinbase has stated support for one of the hard forks ("Classic").  BitPay has it's own fork, but not publicly stated they will try to force anyone into using it instead of Bitcoin.  A couple of others have stated support for larger blocks, but not specified any specific solution to the problem.

Ultimately, it is those who have the most coins decide. It does not matter if localbitcoins would support the minority coin, the price there will be single digits due to the millions of coins' sell pressure

Of course if the exchanges can not reach a consensus (basically they follow the major hash power), then it means the consensus is not yet enough strong, it must come from enough users , exchanges and miners together, so 75% hash rate is enough strong, given enough support from exchanges and users

Imagine an extreme situation: A person with 1% of hash power but holds 90% of coins and billions of dollars, he can destroy any fork he does not like and force all the hash power move to his fork by pumping the exchange rate of his fork

I think it is wrong to think that you are still running standard bitcoin, it is not bitcoin anymore, it is already forked so many times and now it is very different than original bitcoin, and after the implementation of segwit, the architecture had major change, I think that version should change name to Pietercoin
267  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Why soft fork is a very bad idea and should be avoided at all costs on: February 20, 2016, 05:39:23 PM
Although the individual miner's reward does not change, but the total amount of miners on the minority chain will dramatically decrease, so all the miners on minority chain will only be able to find a block every 40 minutes,  to get a transaction well confirmed on that chain would take 240 minutes, this basically drives out all the transactions on that chain. And when no one is using that chain, the exchange rate will crash, and miners become underwater and moved to majority chain
It will be about 30 minutes between blocks, due to the intentional trick which makes the hard fork trigger long before it has 75% hashrate.  (And it will likely be even lower, since basic game theory says you should cheat this one by announcing support for it, and then not mine on the fork.  So there is no way to know if the fork has a mining majority at all before the fork is supposed to happen.)  30 minutes is common today.  Even an hour is quite common.  I don't think 30 minutes between blocks will stop anyone from using bitcoin.  It didn't in 2010 when someone pushed up the difficulty, and then suddenly stopped mining to show Bitcoin's weakness, and why should it this time?

This is only technically, and you have financial measure: First make sure non of the major exchanges support the exchange of the minority coin, and then using millions of pre-fork coin to crash the value of minority coin if there is any exchange for that coin, so when the value of that coin goes to single digits, it will be less valuable than even litecoin, no hash power will stay, and that chain will die in a few days maximum
268  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Do you need to manually reset the nodes every week? on: February 20, 2016, 04:25:17 AM
each of them is 0.5KB maximum
What are you talking about? Even average transactions are larger than that, and mempool transactions generally aren't average anyway: most of these transactions are unconfirmed for a reason, and usually that reason is their size.

If a block contains 1MB data, and typically 2000 transactions, then each transaction is estimated at 0.5KB. In fact I have seen some blocks containing almost 3000 transactions, and cointape estimate average transaction to be 258 bytes right now

I have checked the rawmempool and indeed found some very large transactions, but to match your number (40k transactions for 1GB), each of them should be 25K, which is almost 100 times larger than average transaction, all 100+ sigop transactions?
269  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Do you need to manually reset the nodes every week? on: February 20, 2016, 01:58:19 AM
What exactly is the problem? Linear mempool growth is normal and expected for a constant number of transactions per second, at least until old transactions stop being broadcast and an equilibrium is reached. Many have complained that said equilibrium ends up being too large, so starting from version 0.12 Bitcoin Core has a configurable limit on how large the mempool can grow, after which it will start dropping the transactions with the lowest fees.

For reference, my node's mempool usually hovers around 40k transactions in 1GB, which I think is typical.

Thanks, good to know this is normal, because I have observed this phenomenon for years. I never cared too much since it is still small comparing to the total free memory. However I'm seeing tradeblock using a different way to calculate the mempool size, it is always related to the unconfirmed transactions in mempool, not growing linearly

In your case, 40K transactions would result in 20M maximum mempool, not 1GB. Since you have 40K transactions, and each of them is 0.5KB maximum, what are all those other memories used for?
270  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Do you need to manually reset the nodes every week? on: February 19, 2016, 08:01:02 AM
There may be something going on here if you say that your stats are different from what you're seeing on other people's nodes.  In any case, it's definitely not regular procedure to be restarting your nodes every week.  Bitcoin is reasonably stable software and you should be able to get significant uptime if everything is configured correctly.  On the other hand, 80MB doesn't really seem all that large (but you're right that that linear growth is troubling), I'm guessing something's configured incorrectly here.  I think it's hard to diagnose further without more details.

This is not my machine, but my machine is having similar problem and now it is over 225MB after 10 days of running. Maybe I'm just too lazy to build the bitcoind from source
271  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Proposal for solving blockchain size issue. Managing a 500GB blockchain on: February 19, 2016, 03:25:28 AM
Well you guys have no idea what you're talking about.

Remember the days when the fastest computer was 1Hz and the entire operating system was 10kb ?

You know that was only 30 years ago. (~1980s)

Believe me in 30 years from now 100GB will be the equivalent of 10kb in the 1980s. There will be a radical new way of storing data like maybe DNA, QBits or something else that can hold 10000x the amount of normal storage, like maybe 1000 PB or more on something the size of a SD card.

So when you say that the blockchain will just grow too large... you have no idea what you are talking about.

The technology for storage will grow much faster than the blockchain can. Already in just the last few years storage has got way cheaper, these days you can pick up a 4TB drive for $100 that was not the case back in 2009.

Even if every computer in the world was spamming the blockchain non stop it for the next decade the blockchain would still not get too big.

I fully agree with you. In 30 years, so many advances will have been made in the storage field that storage capacity will no longer be a problem. However, be sure that if the storage capacities increase, the blockchain will do the same, and thus will have the same weight has today has 60GB.

Exactly, another benefit is that added demand for bandwidth and components from bitcoin is very similar to added demand from high end gaming industry, it will create new jobs and new technology, thus is good for economy in general
272  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Do you need to manually reset the nodes every week? on: February 18, 2016, 04:40:16 PM
http://bitcointicker.co/networkstats/
You can see from this site, for more than 10 days, the mempool size steadily grew beyond 80MB, and the operator did a restart of the process, then it start to build from 0 again, but it always goes up no matter what is the queue size of transactions


And this is not the same as I see on tradeblock, they seems to have it under 10MB most of the time
273  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Why soft fork is a very bad idea and should be avoided at all costs on: February 18, 2016, 04:06:01 PM
Although the individual miner's reward does not change, but the total amount of miners on the minority chain will dramatically decrease, so all the miners on minority chain will only be able to find a block every 40 minutes,  to get a transaction well confirmed on that chain would take 240 minutes, this basically drives out all the transactions on that chain. And when no one is using that chain, the exchange rate will crash, and miners become underwater and moved to majority chain
274  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Would a fork to SHA-3 be usefull because of the destroyed mining market? on: February 18, 2016, 03:49:55 PM
Change POW is suicide because of the existing of arbitraging

As soon as the Pow changed, mining cost will crash to much lower level than exchange rate, then people will mine coins and immediately sell for a huge profit, or borrow coins to sell on exchanges and mine them back for a huge profit, eventually the exchange rate will crash to the mining cost

Of course if no coins can be mined in future, that change might be possible, but the miners will get mining income from fees, so it should basically follow the same pattern
275  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Core Roadmap visualized on: February 18, 2016, 03:37:22 PM
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It clearly showed that you don't need to mess with bitcoin protocol to make those extra features. When LN is not needed, SW is not needed, because then the txid problem will be trivial, back to scaling with lifting block size  Cool
Nonsense. Their system is not comparable to LN. Their micro payments are limited to their systems. I should not be suprised that you'd throw away IBLT and weak blocks. Your knowledge is really limited and faulty.

Users don't care what system they are using, if there is really a market demand, then this solution will be widely spread by the time your solution is ready and pass major consensus threshold (might take years). However if no one is interested in micro payment channels thus no one is buying into 21inc's solution(as my research indicated), then it is a good indicator that your R&D direction is wrong

Yes bitcoin is not democracy, it is consensus, but to form a consensus is extremely time consuming. It could drag you years to make a decision, much less efficient then a simple company like 21 inc directly implement what they want without the need for reaching agreement among core devs

In fact I'm still wondering about the governance model in Git, IMO any of the core devs can wipe out all the changes done by other core devs. I don't see how a controversial change like segwit or blocksize increase can make their way into GIT without all the 5 guys agree to it. Even a 2MB increase could drag for one year, a large change like segwit is estimated about 2 years at best
276  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 21 inc shows how to do Lightning Network the right way on: February 18, 2016, 03:24:01 PM
This is a test of how big the micro payment market is

Based on my research, it is very small, mostly on a few special occasions (refill the telephone card/monthly subway ticket etc...) If there is really a big market, then 21inc will immediately occupy it long before any other solutions coming out. If there is very little market demand, then we will know it is the wrong direction to work on, it will just result in lots of wasted R&D for a function that no one really cares about
277  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / 21 inc shows how to do Lightning Network the right way on: February 18, 2016, 07:42:01 AM
https://21.co/learn/intro-to-micropayment-channels/#introduction-to-micropayment-channels

This is a fully functional and very neat micropayment channel, but using a second layer approach without modifying the bitcoin protocol. It seems those 100 million dollars really can make some difference  Cool
278  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Core Roadmap visualized on: February 18, 2016, 06:40:40 AM
Is this slide written to win an election?

libsecp256k1 is good, rest is not needed. Now we have LN realized on 21inc's computer,
https://21.co/learn/intro-to-micropayment-channels/#introduction-to-micropayment-channels

It clearly showed that you don't need to mess with bitcoin protocol to make those extra features. When LN is not needed, SW is not needed, because then the txid problem will be trivial, back to scaling with lifting block size  Cool
279  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Blockstream Core #R3KT at delivering Lightning Network on: February 16, 2016, 01:17:59 AM
As anticipated, all other off-chain solutions without touching the bitcoin protocol will be much faster to develop. They don't need to wait for 18 months for a major consensus to be formed within core devs, and that might even trigger a hard fork and derail the whole business plan Grin

Why do you need Lightning Network to open a payment channel when two merchant can simply opening an account in each other's platform and establish a payment channel?

280  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 1mb or Bitcoin 2mb on: February 16, 2016, 12:14:10 AM
Why should Segregated Wittness not be Bitcoin ? If you can't change anything to Bitcoin's code except if you want an altcoin, your money will be worthless soon. By the way, today's Bitcoin is already not like the original Bitcoin's concept.

Let's borrow Peter Todd's famous word: If it is already so then why make it worse?   Wink

The fundamental difference here is that many people don't think core devs are enough smart to overthrow the design of Satoshi (If they are, they would have invented bitcoin long before Satoshi), and Satoshi's vision is possibly beyond the comprehension of most of the people here

Of course this view is for those who prefer following authorities. And if you don't like the idea of following authorities, then you should make your own judgement based on your own research and understanding. In fact almost none of the people understand what is segwit, and if you do, it must be a mistake like Lauda said  Grin
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