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261  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: October 20, 2014, 05:40:28 PM
Fuck it.

WTS my Mintpal account with 5000 XMR in it.

Feel free to PM me offers.


Pm sent.
262  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos on: October 20, 2014, 05:37:56 PM
People overestimate "whales". I've known a few people who have lost tens of thousands of dollars trading altcoins.

I distinctely remember a previous Darkcoin "whale" selling 100 btc worth of DRK at .0099 btc....It was bought in one shot and the price jumped to .0245 btc a few days later(Or to clarify, before Bitifinex added DRK to their exchange, but they announced it before)

Some whales are horrendously stupid. So please, don't put them all on some high pedestal.
263  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin.org now claiming to be "offical" site on: October 20, 2014, 03:53:47 PM
"Official site offering documentation, forums and the open source client software which permits to send and receive bitcoins."  - Site Description showing up on Google.

"Bitcoin.org is not an official website. Just like nobody owns the email technology, nobody owns the Bitcoin network. As such, nobody can speak with authority in the name of Bitcoin."
on page https://bitcoin.org/en/about-us

Most users will see the description that appears in Google and will never read the disclaimer on the other page.

On their site as you shown in op, https://bitcoin.org/en/about-us. They say, "Bitcoin.org is not an official website. "

I don't think, " "Official site offering documentation, forums and the open source client software which permits to send and receive bitcoins."  - Site Description showing up on Google.", is them saying they own Bitcoin, but rather that Bitcoin.org is the main site representing bitcoin and/or the one that's safe to download the bitcoin wallets and such. That's helpful since there is a ton of scams going on with Bitcoin, remember that fake blockchain.info phishing site a while back?

I thought the site was the main site for the Github project but now you say it is morphed into the main site for all of Bitcoin?  When did that change?  Are you saying this decentralized thing is too complicated and it is much easier to turn things over to an "official" web site that decides which services and wallets get listed? 

No. I'm saying that it's best to have a "main" site to get all your updates/wallets/etc about Bitcoin.

Did you not see the blockchain.info scam that was happening on google a while ago, where a phishing site was impersonating blockchain? Yea, and there are tons of other scam sites that pretend to be web wallets, etc etc.

All I'm saying is that having bitcoin.org as the "main" site for Bitcoin, is good, especially for newbies, or else they'll all fall into the traps of the scammers.
264  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin.org now claiming to be "offical" site on: October 20, 2014, 02:23:56 PM
"Official site offering documentation, forums and the open source client software which permits to send and receive bitcoins."  - Site Description showing up on Google.

"Bitcoin.org is not an official website. Just like nobody owns the email technology, nobody owns the Bitcoin network. As such, nobody can speak with authority in the name of Bitcoin."
on page https://bitcoin.org/en/about-us

Most users will see the description that appears in Google and will never read the disclaimer on the other page.

On their site as you shown in op, https://bitcoin.org/en/about-us. They say, "Bitcoin.org is not an official website. "

I don't think, " "Official site offering documentation, forums and the open source client software which permits to send and receive bitcoins."  - Site Description showing up on Google.", is them saying they own Bitcoin, but rather that Bitcoin.org is the main site representing bitcoin and/or the one that's safe to download the bitcoin wallets and such. That's helpful since there is a ton of scams going on with Bitcoin, remember that fake blockchain.info phishing site a while back?
265  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: [POLL] Worst Exchange Troll Box on: October 20, 2014, 12:53:08 PM
btc-e, hands down is the worst.
266  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 20, 2014, 12:50:40 AM
I could dig deeper into this but my impression is that the cryptonote algo isn't as efficient at punishing lower end older CPUs as it could be.  The tendency of botnets is to capture grandma's computer (Walmart computer from 3 years ago)  Not the gamers/hipsters/business professionals high end gaming pc/mac/ultrabook computer.

Well the question then is whether you want to exclude grandma and focus on gamers. I sure don't.

This is kind of an academic question right now though (since neither have any good reason to be interested), but an important distinction when it comes to statement of purpose longer term.

In fact on the altcoin observer thread we had an interesting discussion about a billion cell phones mining while on chargers.

The security idea is good. There have been some ideas I've seen to use multisig as a form of decentralized 2FA (both your PC and cell phone would have to sign a transaction for example).


If the technical distinction between grandma and your voluntary miner is 3 years, forget about a relevant way to distinguish them in the POW. We cannot  assume that we will change the POW every 3 years, so this kind of question is of little relevance.

Almost all Monero will be mined in 3 years.

"Almost all" is misleading (it sounds to me like 99% or something, and down to just a maintenance reward or none at all). The actual number I've seen is something like 85% in 4 years, which means even if 4+ years there will be significant mining. The current proposal for a maintenance reward doesn't kick in for around 10 years or so.

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So if initial distribution in mining matters.  It matters more now in early adoption when the release schedule is trying to drive adoption than it does in 3 years

That depends on the future value, which is impossible to know. Bitcoin rewards were cut in half, yet the value of a block (and of all mining) now is vastly higher than it was 2+ years ago.

In fact another way to look at the schedule of mining rewards would be to attach a current value at the time they are mined. By that measurement Bitcoin is much less than 60% mined or whatever the current number is assuming constant-value BTC.

I see 85% as almost.  Basically I view distribution early on as something that was made to encourage early adoption / speculation.  So getting coins towards people who are going to use / save them initially (in my opinion) will increase adoption velocity more now than in 3 years.

But this is my opinion ... take it fwiw

I look at it slightly differently. I view distribution as bad in cases like NXT, where all the coins were given to extremely few people and that of course would make it difficult to obtain a diverse distribution due to most of the coins being in relatively few hands. When it comes to good distribution, it's sort of a dilemma. Since  cryptocurrencies aren't as well known and used like we would want them to be, even the best of distributions wouldn't matter as much compared to a coin that has had decent distribution. Unless most of the world adopts a coin as a reserve currency of sorts, then distribution will always be criticized/can't be perfect. My thoughts are that it's the things built around a coin that matters. So payment gateways that allow XMR to be accepted to buy goods imo(which in itself, if the companies convert to fiat, would distribute the currency further), is what matters more than any type of distribution(as long as the distribution itself is decent)
267  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: First church to accept bitcoins on: October 19, 2014, 11:35:36 PM
Wow Beliathon.  That is quite a response.  

My point in the "brainwashing" was more along the lines of almost all children's books today in regards to the earth, dinosaurs, evolution begin with "Millions of years ago" or "Billions of years ago."  This is taught as a fact and now everyone just blindly believes it to be a fact.  I am the one that is seen as crazy because I just don't go along with the "brainwashing" that is taking place.  Is the "millions of years" time frame a proven fact or has everyone just been brainwashed to believe it is a fact? Scientists keep changing the timeline all of the time anyways so it is a huge problem.

As for homosexuality(since that is obviously a hot button for you) our bodies were designed sexually to be male and female (with the rare exception of a mutation in which someone is born with both parts of course)  If males could reproduce having sex with other males, or females with females, I would have to agree that scientifically homosexuality is normal and that anyone that disagrees with this is being brainwashed to believe that it is wrong, but that isn't the case.  Sure, there is deviance from the norm, but it is deviant.  It is not how we were designed sexually, and we were designed.  The reproductive system in the human body is an amazing and highly designed system that just could not have evolved by chance.  The fact that we are being brainwashed into believing everything happened by random chance is the craziest thing of all and makes no logical sense whatsoever.  

All this said, I am not really worried if you do not agree with me on this.  Saddened of course because I know without a doubt what the truth is.  The ones that are really brainwashed will someday have their eyes opened when the judgement day comes.   Embarrassed  Truth is truth, regardless of if I believe it, or anyone believes it.  But we live in a world that does not even believe in absolute truth anymore.  Everything is relative and based on what feels good to us. It is now commonly accepted to determine what is right and wrong based solely on feelings and our cultural norms.  This is rooted in evolutionary theory as well as atheism with no God or higher authority to be accountable to.  But that is all part of the brainwashing too.




Don't mind him, only a juvenile would go overboard posting pics in such a fashion.  Apparently he has failed to take his ADHD meds again.

The proper definition of homophobia linguistically is 'the fear of man'.  Most animals are homophobic, in that they are afraid of humans; notice most animals will run from man when they see us -- that is homophobia.    

I was at a grocery store one day, the cashier had a huge fat lip that obviously receive multiple stitches, clearly he should not have gone into work but he did.  I asked him how it  happened he told me that his boyfriend did it.  The highest incidence of abuse on homos are what they do to one another, followed by what they do to themselves.   What others do to them is a long distance third.

Ask any emergency room doctor to tell you stories of how many of them grossly injury themselves in an attempt to have "pleasure".  
Ask the police officers and social workers about the number of times they have encountered activities that minimally could be defined as
self-mutilation but could easily go as high as self-torture. Beliathon would have us believe that that is normal simply because it isn't illegal.

Without a moral compass you will get lost.   Notice how Beliathon will switch to any other topic he could in an effort to remove himself from
addressing the root issues at hand -- the existence of God.

You've been wrong on every single point you've made.

Homophobic means - irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals. Also some(there are many species of animals that do not, especially when they haven't encountered humans often i.e animals in exclusive parts of the world) animals fearing man is a learnt behavior, animals do not automatically fear humans, Discovery Channel and studies done on animals(Bears for ex.) should clarify this for you.

You meeting one homosexual or bisexual person who's been involved with abuse by their partner doesn't justify you claiming that all of them are violent. In fact, it's quite the opposite. Around 1 in 5 women in the Unites States report that they have been sexually assaulted. 1 in 5. So based upon that evidence, does that give me the right to say that all men are violent ? No, so then you definitely cannot claim that all homosexual men are violent given your 1 encounter.

Morality is innate. Meaning it's not learnt usually, it's basically an aversion to causing pain, physical or mental to another being. Of course this is just a general view, many different cultures have their own view on what's right and wrong, etc.
268  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: First church to accept bitcoins on: October 19, 2014, 10:40:03 PM
Wow Belathon.  That is quite a response.  

My point in the "brainwashing" was more along the lines of almost all children's books today in regards to the earth, dinosaurs, evolution begin with "Millions of years ago" or "Billions of years ago."  This is taught as a fact and now everyone just blindly believes it to be a fact.  I am the one that is seen as crazy because I just don't go along with the "brainwashing" that is taking place.  Is the "millions of years" time frame a proven fact or has everyone just been brainwashed to believe it is a fact? Scientists keep changing the timeline all of the time anyways so it is a huge problem.

As for homosexuality(since that is obviously a hot button for you) our bodies were designed sexually to be male and female (with the rare exception of a mutation in which someone is born with both parts of course)  If males could reproduce having sex with other males, or females with females, I would have to agree that scientifically homosexuality is normal and that anyone that disagrees with this is being brainwashed to believe that it is wrong, but that isn't the case.  Sure, there is deviance from the norm, but it is deviant.  It is not how we were designed sexually, and we were designed.  The reproductive system in the human body is an amazing and highly designed system that just could not have evolved by chance.  The fact that we are being brainwashed into believing everything happened by random chance is the craziest thing of all and makes no logical sense whatsoever.  

All this said, I am not really worried if no one agrees with me on this.  Saddened of course because I know without a doubt what the truth is.  The ones that are really brainwashed will someday have their eyes opened when the judgement day comes.  Hopefully it isn't too late for them though.  Embarrassed



 "If males could reproduce having sex with other males, or females with females, I would have to agree that scientifically homosexuality is normal and that anyone that disagrees with this is being brainwashed to believe that it is wrong, but that isn't the case.  Sure, there is deviance from the norm, but it is deviant."

What's been shown, especially in the case of epi-marks, is that the chance of a male becoming homosexual increases as the mother has more kids. So if a mother has had 8 male children, the chance of the 9th one being gay is far higher than of the 1st one being gay. This could be a way to slow down/control population growth. It technically is a deviant from the norm, but it is still natural, kind of like if most people in one town had brown hair, and someone was born with yellow hair, that doesn't make them crazy, they just have a different hair color than most people in the town. Female sexuality however, is much more complicated presumably according to Dr Meredith Chivers work. Women have the capacity to be attracted to things that are sensual. So unlike males, who tend to be a bit rigid in their arousal patterns(could be due to cultural influences), women can be aroused by things that are overall "appealing" such as sexual intercourse if even between animals. They were even aroused by bonobo apes mating: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/magazine/25desire-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3&sq=bonobos%20sex%20study%20blood%20flow&st=cse&scp=1. I know some people reading this will think, "Well if they're attracted to sensual things, then why are most of them hetero-romantic/heterosexual?(predominantly attracted to males sexually and romantically)". Well, evolution gave males features that would tip the scale in favor of them as being the foremost sexual/romantic partners of women, such as women being aroused by the mere pheromones a male produces, along with the overall structure of the male body, such as strong broad shoulders, tall, etc(especially during menstruation), and many more.

So in actuality, homosexuality is not something unnatural, and not something to be scared of if you're heterosexual and think," Oh the world is going to end because everyone will "turn" gay". That's not the case, as the majority of women and men are predominantly heterosexual with both sexes having specific attributes that appeal to the other, like two pieces to the puzzle. I go by the quote that, " Men drive the world, Women direct it", in the sense that men are usually more headstrong, while women are usually more "careful" so to speak(search up brain imaging of men vs women). Without men, the world will become stagnant and there would be no progression, without women the world will be less peaceful overall.

If you're talking about timeframes, 1billion years>1million years>100,000years>present day, etc. Yes, I can safely say that it's proven that the earth is a lot older than the 6,000 or so years as originally thought according to the Genesis chapter of the Old Testament(Which is also regarded by some scholars are symbolic and not to be taken literally).

You seem to take every portion of your religious text(Quran, Torah, Bible), literally. Try thinking that some passages in those holy books are not to be taken literally. I must say, that I wholeheartedly agree with only 1 section of the bible, which is the New Testament. While I don't really believe in the religious part, I believe in Christ's teachings, they are things that can apply to any religions and all peoples; an overall message of love.

269  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 19, 2014, 09:20:52 PM
I agree with you binaryFate. The last missives said there should be a new revision of the in-progress client within 1-2 weeks (from last Monday).

2. The GUI, too, is progressing at a slightly reduced pace. We hope to update the preview binaries in the next week or two.

I'm not sure the GUI is really enough though. It will give a one-time bump in interest once it reaches a minimally usable stage, but beyond that more needs to happen to increase the size of the user base. Some of those things are external. For example, right now my feeling is that the entire cryptocurrency phenomenon is also in a similar place (in terms of user base being stagnant and not really reaching new markets at all).




Exactly.   Look ... assume a gui will take ALL the users from bbr.  That's 500k worth of growth.  Since bbr already has a userbase and it's own market it's nieve to think the gui is worth more in growth than all of bbr.

I'm not sure there is much that can be done to the coin that will increase growth.  People who are interested in Monero as an anon crypto are bought in already.

Making the mining algo less friendly to bonnets and more friendly to everyday pc users might help if it could be integrated with real life uses for small amounts.

. I leave my computer mining at the office for a week and I can bet on poker, fantasy football, play rpettlias game, bet on winning Civ 4 tournaments, etc might grow the userbase.

The key being get more of the pie to miners who are mining to use it rather than professional miners or bonnet farmers

Otherwise it will be external factors Imo

. Pulling in the darkmarkets.

. Increased government regulation and focus on crypto that drives a boom in anon.

. Greater bit coin adoption.

I believe in the future crypto currency will be adopted due to external factors.  Monero just needs to make sure it's the defacto choice of anonymous currency and if/when this happens.  The leader in anon will be adopted.  But it is impossible to change external factors from inside the Monero ecosystem.

Rpetilia have you thought about bundling a miner into your game that mines gold straight to a user's account?


. Increased government regulation and focus on crypto that drives a boom in anon.

There's also the opposite. Increasing amount of tools to deduce Bitcoin's pseudo anonymity(Blockchain tracking/analysis programs). In the not too distant future, tools like that will be made public or for a price, and they will have great effects(negatively) on Bitcoin's privacy.
270  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 19, 2014, 09:03:27 PM
I agree with you binaryFate. The last missives said there should be a new revision of the in-progress client within 1-2 weeks (from last Monday).

2. The GUI, too, is progressing at a slightly reduced pace. We hope to update the preview binaries in the next week or two.

I'm not sure the GUI is really enough though. It will give a one-time bump in interest once it reaches a minimally usable stage, but beyond that more needs to happen to increase the size of the user base. Some of those things are external. For example, right now my feeling is that the entire cryptocurrency phenomenon is also in a similar place (in terms of user base being stagnant and not really reaching new markets at all).




1) Become accepted in illegal(frowned upon, but pretty much necessary at the beginning) darknet markets, along with other (legal) websites i.e casinos, lotteries, which is what also happened to Bitcoin in it's beginnings.

2) Gain exposure & followers, based upon marketing the currency towards groups most likely to use it(Private institutions/companies, individuals seeking privacy, websites, etc)

3) Acceptance as a reliable, decentralized, private, way of transfering wealth.

4) Continue from there

I believe Monero could improve upon not just anonymity, but security, ways to make holding the coins on your computer relatively safe, even when faced with threats such as hacking and the like. I believe that lack of security is what stops many, many people from using cryptocurrencies(Bitcoin). If Monero could penetrate that area in terms of security, then it may even be more favorable to use than Bitcoin.
271  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Altcoin traders, what kind of smartphone do you use? on: October 19, 2014, 06:58:16 PM
I advise NO ONE to import this private key to their bitcoin wallet. OP's private key is likely insecure and will STEAL your bitcoins.
I was going to dl a new wallet and try, no way he could steal my BTC...

We appear to have some conflicting opinions. Let's hope they both determine which one is correct and gain this knowledge for future purposes.

If you know the answer, then you know that the best application on that platform has "cold storage spending", where it signs transactions with a memory-only key which is wiped after the signing and is never saved or added to your wallet.

Here is public key, where the coins are relaxing for over 11 hours: https://blockchain.info/address/1NbGBsTDfbUbFPxjqNgTixjuDk5kHdrbbs

Ok thank you. Why didn't you just put the public key in the OP in the first place, putting the private key there when this was supposed to be a competition raised some alarms.
272  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Altcoin traders, what kind of smartphone do you use? on: October 19, 2014, 06:56:28 PM
I advise NO ONE to import this private key to their bitcoin wallet. OP's private key is likely insecure and will STEAL your bitcoins.
I was going to dl a new wallet and try, no way he could steal my BTC...

We appear to have some conflicting opinions. Let's hope they both determine which one is correct and gain this knowledge for future purposes.

I edited my post, They could import, just don't do it to a wallet with bitcoins in them, as it's extremely odd they you present a challenge to find out your favorite mobile platform, yet present us with a private key instead of a public key....

And according to here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Private_key, "In contrast, bitcoind provides a facility to import a private key without creating a sweep transaction. This is considered very dangerous, and not intended to be used even by power users or experts except in very specific cases. Bitcoins can be easily stolen at any time, from a wallet which has imported an untrusted or otherwise insecure private key - this can include private keys generated offline and never seen by someone else."
273  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Altcoin traders, what kind of smartphone do you use? on: October 19, 2014, 06:50:54 PM
Bribe Response: Your favorite platform is Android.
Coins still there, what have times become, I can't even bribe people anymore... #sad-day #too-old #yobo

Yes, but for $10, not $159.99.
Everyone has a price. Technically, prices for the same tech will halve every 18 months. That $160 phone will be 10$ in 6 years.

The problem however is that since the USD is inflationary, even if they make a $10 valued phone in 6 years, that value will be represented by $20 instead.

So you need to wait 8 years. And then everyone will already have iBrain implants and nobody will care about pocket phones...

That's an odd response from you, "Coins still there, what have times become, I can't even bribe people anymore... #sad-day #too-old #yobo"

I(lately) just realize that OP has presented us with his private key instead of public key, which is extremely odd :
What's your current device and how do you use it while trading?

Bribe inside: The first person to discover what is my favorite platform, gets to collect the coins from this private key: 6PfTopTWeEGm8MqNAmzVsBjqo4eFCisGyAVco3fhMJSj73WFNTiT6Veiz4

Thank you for your answers!


I advise NO ONE to import this private key to their bitcoin wallet if you have bitcoins in it(a empty one is fine). OP's private key is likely insecure and will STEAL your bitcoins.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Private_key.



274  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Altcoin traders, what kind of smartphone do you use? on: October 19, 2014, 05:49:36 PM
Bribe Response: Your favorite platform is Android.

275  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Tor+Blockchain wallet hacked? 633 btc loss on: October 19, 2014, 04:45:30 PM
Tor is totally unsafe for any kind of money transactions. You need to be security conscious  when you are holding this much money online.

This^
276  Other / Meta / Re: Is this still a Bitcoin forum? on: October 19, 2014, 04:15:14 PM
Yea it is still a bitcoin forum, and bitcoin led to the creation of altcoins. If the altcoin section were taken off, I believe this forum would lose a lot of users/eventually die.
277  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: First church to accept bitcoins on: October 19, 2014, 06:35:35 AM
hahahahaahahahaaaa, you're worse than the other guy, are you his dad?   Your username explains your sexuality 'position'.

Got to put you on ignore

Ah, some people(Armis) will forever dwell in their ignorance. Stupidity surely is a hard thing to change.
278  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: First church to accept bitcoins on: October 19, 2014, 06:02:03 AM
hahahahaa, I didn't bother to read past the first sentence because by thing it was clear to me you didn't write it
Of course you didn't. Whenever a theist faces an impassable logical challenge, they reveal their intellectual cowardice almost instantly.

Here, learn how to create a universe.

As for the "zero-sum game" since the subject subject of your material had absolutely nothing to do with gaming, the phrase "zero-sum game" was dead wrong.
LOL it's called game theory, look it up on the internet. You won't find it in bronze age books of fictional allegory.

Religion is on the decline, and that's not going to change. In fact it will almost certainly accelerate now that we are firmly in the information age. Sooner or later you're going to have to face reality.



hahahaha, you are going from dumb to "dumber".

I ask you to find an article that tells you who created all of the ingredients of nature, you go for a video that purports to describe how to create a universe.  
Again, that goes back to the baking of a cake, just because you know how to bake a cake doesn't mean you know how to make the ingredients (flour, milk, eggs, etc) used to make the cake.  You know the ingredients to create the universe, now find a video to show how those ingredients are made without any other earthly ingredients?


A scientist says to God, "Lord, we don't need you anymore. Science has finally
figured out a way to create life out of nothing. In other
words, we can now do what you did in the beginning."
"Oh, is that so ..." replies God.
"Well," says the scientist, "we can take dirt and
form it into the likeness of You and breathe life into it, thus
creating man."
"Well, that's interesting.  Show me."
So the scientist bends down to the earth and
starts to gather soil ...  
"Oh nooo..." interrupts God, "Get your own dirt."


The earth as we know it breaks down to six essential elemental ingredients: carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus and sulfur.  So using ingredients exclusively created by man that have nothing to do with any of the mentioned items, make any of these items mentioned -- show me you can 'make your own dirt' from nothing.

As for your claim 'religion is on the decline', there's no poll on earth sizable enough to accurately reflect the worldwide view of religion.  But given that it was a Gallop reference, my guess is the survey focused on the USA, given the state of the USA (homo/marijuana/education/war/prison/removal of religious expression from much of American life)  I'd say that number is still much too high.  It's because of idiots like you why our country is going down as you believe.  

Look at all of the countries where religion is highly valued then compare them to countries where religion has little value you will see a meaningful difference in the quality of life.  

Nevertheless, the subject is theists vs atheists, remember the 90+%[?] that was about theists not about religion, nor about Christians, your ADD/ADHD is ridiculously obvious -- get help.

BTW, how's it going on the article that explains 'the start of time' not simply 'the beginning of time', or the article that explains how the invisible mind can control the physical body.   Explain in a rational, logical, reasonable, and responsible way how something with such great sophistication as a universe or human be created without a plan?




Sir, if you take that route, comparing religious states to mostly non-religious states, the non-religious will win.

America, btw, is still mostly Christian, so you're statement, " given the state of the USA (homo/marijuana/education/war/prison/removal of religious expression from much of American life)" is horrendously wrong.

Homosexuality, or those(men) that are predominantly homosexual(I agree with Kinsey on the statement that mostly everyone has some degree of bisexuality), it is caused by factors beyond their control, such as hormonal changes within the womb, as well as genetics(epi-marks), based upon recent findings. With women, it's more diverse in the sense that even self identified lesbians are aroused by scenes depicting men according to a recent study done by the sexologist, Meredith Chivers. For the most part, that plays into the theory that women are more sexualiy fluid than men(have greater degrees of bisexuality). Again, those things are out of their control, and what gives you the right to deny them love?

Sorry, just wanted to explain a bit to on sexuality........

To the part about non-religious countries standard of living vs religious countries. The less strict religious democratic countries will always win(since the biggest exclusively non-religious countries are communist and would make no sense to compare them).

Compare India's extreme sexist view towards women, along with their caste system, leads to an overall depressive state of affairs. Have you not seen the countless rape and murder committed in India by men taking advantage of women because they are physically stronger and believe themselves to be more entitled? Have you not seen the deprived state of being some people live in according to India's caste system i.e Untouchables? India's entire backwards and twisted manner of being is due to it's strict religious outlook. Take that away and you'll get a much freer and overall less repressive state.

The United States may have it's problems, but thankfully over the years, it's people have begun to become more acceptable of what was previously viewed as wrong or backwards i.e (true)homosexuality. That's a luxury to have considering that many(strict,religious) countries around the world are repressing it's citizens in the sake of their religion.

Religion has been used to unify people and provide for them a moral code to live by. But as the times are changing, so is our "need" for religion. Don't let your religion/religious beliefs cloud your judgement(as it does to so many people). Remember that as the centuries have passed, mis-translations of text may have occurred along with outright lies, so it's my belief that one should know when to go by their religion's beliefs, but have their own individual judgement in matters as well.

I personally don't believe in any one religion as being the right one since they all have long histories of horrible atrocities committed in their name as well as overall, sometimes, very inhumane rules(concerning the laws of moses in the old testament, a lot of which were absolutely horrible) . I believe in "something", like a nagging thought on the back of my mind, or a cushion of air that I don't know exists, but I partly believe it does...if that makes any sense at all..
279  Other / Off-topic / Re: What Obama would do, if forum members send him E mail with Christmas greetings on: October 19, 2014, 01:47:41 AM
What would think and do Obama in White House if all bitcointalk forum members will send him Christmas greetings in 23.12 from Whitehouse web page ?


Lmao, why is the text yellow.
280  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: you think we're all fucking stupid or what ? on: October 19, 2014, 01:23:21 AM
It's not to late for coins with a real user community.

how much are you paid to say that ? come on tell us !

Other way around. OP paid Winklevoss and Pierce to favorite/retweet those sentences on Twitter as a way of marketing AppleByte.

ya a good question i was wonder is which direction the money was going LOL

we know he ain't going to answer..

I know for sure he paid them. They both retweeted the post that was originally made by OP(First.Bitcoins) himself. Just marketing. Same as people paying for articles on websites etc
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