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261  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official CedarTec Topic - New ASIC [Scam?] on: May 09, 2013, 02:26:08 AM
because it hasnt been proven without a reasonable doubt
No one has really broken their story or pointed out something they have not been able to explain.

Wait a week - then you'll see =P
262  Economy / Economics / Re: The deflationary problem on: May 09, 2013, 02:24:46 AM
Also meaning some potential attacker could choose a time with less mining going on to stage his attack (chain only as strong as weakest link as in network only as strong as it is at times with lowest hashrate). So I think I'm against a transaction-amount dependant fee.

So the incentive for someone sending money to include a high transaction fee is not "to secure the network" but to "ensure a speedy transaction". Transacters are competing for scarce space in blocks. However "block space" is not the same resource (in view of miners) as "hashing power".

So is it true that we basically have to "artificially" limit the available block size to ensure miners will receive high enough fees?


I don't believe so - I think the idea of limiting it by size is past it's time and will soon be modified and/or removed entirely. At the very least we need to be able to process transactions on a level that competes with some large private payment network (like visa). Honestly I'd like to see the rate of block creation increase by an order of magnitude and the block reward decrease accordingly (as a start) that would at least put us much closer to where we need to be.

263  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official CedarTec Topic - New ASIC [Scam?] on: May 08, 2013, 06:27:29 PM
Yeah, hope you did find nobody to scam. Everything is so retarded in Cedartec's obvious scam that I really believe that nobody was so mentally challenged to actually send any money to them.

This raises an interesting question - if people keep running this scam, and we keep calling it a scam... yet they keep making money doing it... why would it ever stop?

264  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official CedarTec Topic - New ASIC [Scam?] on: May 08, 2013, 01:51:19 AM
If I could afford to loose my bitcoins, I would have backed my instincts.  There is something about CedarTec, that's intriguing.

Your lack of faith disturbs me... that being said:

It's a scam until they prove it isn't by mining somewhere with public stats or delivering on orders they supposedly have.

If they actually have any sort of product for anywhere near the stats on the website... there will be no lack of orders once they ship something.

 

265  Economy / Speculation / Re: CRASH! on: May 07, 2013, 09:18:31 PM
The language is pretty clear, this is only a filing and coinlab is wants to solve this. The filing is only to light a fire under mtgox and let coinlab reestablish control in the relationship. Clearly mtgox is being run by finance amateurs, Peter's press release read to me like "get your priorities in check, or deal with our wrath"... wonder what the politics behind the scenes looks like.. I think think will never go to court, and mtgox will end meet their contractual obligations ASAP.

Lawsuit is predatory and bad for bitcoin. It's extremely likely to be thrown out as soon as it gets a hearing. In a sane world there will then be a winning counter suit for damaged caused to mtgox by this lawsuit and coinlabs owners will become a non-issue forever after.

IMO coinlabs has already alienated most of its potential userbase with this sideshow (which was perfectly timed to stint the expected recovery of btc/usd rates after the banking holiday). Lucky for them btc isn't regulated or they'd be facing jail time and fines instead of simply losing their prospective business.


266  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [1.5 TH/s] Bitparking Pool, DGM 1.5%,pays orphans,vardiff,stratum,Merge Mining on: May 07, 2013, 09:12:28 PM
Well the additional value from mining freicoin is pretty much gone at current prices of 0.0004 BTC/FRC.  My power is back with bitparking.

However, having those other merge mined pools setup would be cool.  Then people can pick & choose whichever primary they want. 

As for demurrage, I'm sure you can build in one year's demurrage into the PPS or DMG payout fee.  You've considered having automatic cashouts monthly/weekly.  I think for that pool, it's reasonable to say once a year/month you would auto cash people out with balances over 10 FRC or something like that.

Once my BFL gear is here, the temptation of setting up my own pool will increase; however you're still an awesome operator.  If you prefer me to focus my efforts on helping build your pool, I'm down with that. 

Not sure how much I'd be able to help just yet, but figured I'd throw it out there Smiley

That's the same boat I'll be in - on the flip side of that - pointing a half dozen sc singles at mmpool could make the difference between 1 block a day on average and half a dozen... It's going to be a hard choice.
267  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: So many ASIC's Miner join, GPU mining will die on: May 07, 2013, 06:27:24 PM

GPU miners are going in altcoins where not even FPGAs really exist yet (unless BlockBurner has something to say about that Cool), let alone ASIC devices. Bitcoin is going pro, only those with more daring and deeper pockets can mine effectively, leaving coins like Litecoin fertile ground for all manor of lower end investors that missed the Bitcoin wave. ASIC will push GPUs out of Bitcoin, but not the rest by far. GPU mining will be fine until FPGA or ASIC is simply the starting standard for new coins.

I completely disagree - alt coins (most especially scrypt based) are a long-term dead end. The entire idea is flawed... it amounts to trusting obscurity to secure your network while at the same time using growth of the network as a metric to determine value.

The only reason that ltc hasn't been destroyed is because nobody with the skills or the time has the inclination to design a device for it. That will happen if the alt-coin ever gets to be worth enough. It would take someone with fpga experience all of 2 weeks to design an fpga based ltc miner (especially if they've done btc fpga development in the past). I'm sure there are some other older geeks who're capable of making their own boards who've been considering ripping apart some of our fpga units and making something for ltc.

The only reason I haven't is because I haven't got much free time, and don't really need another project on my bench.




268  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: So many ASIC's Miner join, GPU mining will die on: May 07, 2013, 06:17:11 PM
That assumes you're not intending to diversify. I just placed a modest order for some ASIC mining hardware. My plan is as follows:

Pay for equipment at 100%. If it takes the first month to pay back my investment, or 6 months. 100% of profits go to breaking even on the equipment. After that, 50% goes into a reinvestment account, which will be used to continually upgrade and acquire more equipment (which will then be paid back at 100% of mining, etc, etc).

The other 50% gets split two ways. 25% will be held in cryptocoin. I'll devise an investment strategy that probably includes litecoin, bitcoin, and maybe a couple of other 'altcoins'.

The remaining 25% will go in my pocket to be used to "invest" as I see fit (probably paying down my mortgage, or other debt. Maybe a small amount invested in other stocks or commodities or IRA.

IMHO, throwing ALL of your profits into a volatile market (bitcoin) is too risky. But pulling it all out in cash is risky in itself, because of the risk of lost opportunity. If bitcoin doubles in value, or even increases 100 fold, my 25% investment will be a comfortable return. If it loses all value, at least I got back the cash that I did.

Diversification is your best option, in the long run, IMHO.

I fully agree with your plan, and have been following a nearly identical one myself for ~2 years. You've got it dialed in.

I think everyone forgets that compared to classical investments bitcoin mining has amazing returns. The community seems annoyed that they're "only getting 120% per year" but if you any normal investor could buy a fund/stock/bond that would return 15% a year they'd be in heaven.

As for me, I'm focused on growing the income stream via mining and staying in the game as far as asics go... and I'll take a "measly 10 month roi" and just laugh at people freaking out because it's not fast enough.


269  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Post if your GPUs still profitable to operate? on: May 07, 2013, 06:08:33 PM
Running sealed racks with shelved open chassis miners 2 or 3 or 4 cards each... AC'd in my garage.

Total power bill for the house ~$300/month

I have matched the hashing rate of my fpgas with gpu rigs - now clearing half a coin a day... (incidently when I started with only my existing gpus and a small order of bfl fpga, I was making 3 coins a day).

My income is dropping off a bit - but it's right where my educated guesses said it would be according to the difficultly increasing I expected.

Still making ~15btc a month. This puts my profit point ~20 usd/btc.

So yah, I'm not too worried about it... I know when to shut them off... and it isn't yet.







270  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [1.5 TH/s] Bitparking Pool, DGM 1.5%,pays orphans,vardiff,stratum,Merge Mining on: May 07, 2013, 05:21:14 AM
Is it possible to run a Freicoin (or any other sha256 coin) pool that also merged mines NMC, DVC & IXC? So that Freicoin would be the parent blockchain and NMC, DVC & IXC the auxiliary blockchains.
Yep. To be a primary coin you don't need any blockchain changes - just software to correctly manage the alt coins and store data in the coinbase of the primary chain. Tweaking namecoins merge-mine-proxy can do this.

Better get on that then...  Tongue

Anything you can do to create more interest in the pool would be a good thing at this point.
271  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official CedarTec Topic - New ASIC [Scam?] on: May 07, 2013, 05:09:51 AM
The troll is strong in this one...

I'm glad you called it off Bruno - I was starting to worry.

272  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [1.5 TH/s] Bitparking Pool, DGM 1.5%,pays orphans,vardiff,stratum,Merge Mining on: May 05, 2013, 04:45:29 PM
Heh. Know what would crack me up? For this block to go up to around the 72 hrs mark. And when it's finally solved, for it to be an orphan teehee.

That's cruel man.

True, but hilarious if it happened.

According to the pool hashrate we should be averaging a block in under 14 hours. so between 1 and 2 a day...

Bad Luck is Just Bad.

Are we sure there isn't something going on with the backend re:internet access or the nodes pier connections?
273  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [1.5 TH/s] Bitparking Pool, DGM 1.5%,pays orphans,vardiff,stratum,Merge Mining on: May 05, 2013, 12:23:25 PM
Surely the length of time it takes to solve the block has no bearing on the reward?
It does with DGM. In longer rounds slightly more is paid in an attempt to offset the pain of the long round. In shorter rounds less is paid to help the pool build up a buffer. You can see this reflected in the existing payouts on that page. This is in turn affected by the variance the pool has been experiencing in that future rounds will pay more to make up for the lesser amounts paid in the unlucky rounds.

The actual effect of the adjustments is controlled by the parameters the pool operator chooses for o, f and c as described in the double geometric method post. The parameters I picked result in up to approximately 5.8 BTC extra per block payout to correct for variance/long rounds. That's why you're seeing the existing estimate increasing much more slowly around the 30BTC value.

I'd also suspect that with missing for this long the pool has lost a some of it's hash rate so those still mining are gaining % against those who have stopped this round.
274  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: Multiple HIS IceQ 7950 for sale on: May 03, 2013, 06:05:44 AM
I'll take 1 or 2 at 200 each if you want.
275  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Rent space on a mining server. Mining United, Make extra bitcoins. on: May 03, 2013, 05:32:45 AM
Sorry - site screams scam to me.

Having a gpu farm myself, I'm not buying the system specs and the ability 'rent daily' - if you're able to rent that equipment daily then you'd simply be better off using it to mine yourself.

Nice try - but buyer beware.
276  Economy / Speculation / Re: CRASH! on: May 03, 2013, 05:12:40 AM
aX still gets money in - that's what I'm doing right now... ready to buy when it goes just a bit lower =P
277  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Your views on pre-mining? on: May 03, 2013, 05:09:09 AM
I'm trying to understand the general consensus towards pre-mining among the alt-coin community. In particular what single, or multiple reasons are behind what you think makes pre-mining a bad concept? (if at all, in some cases I guess).

Is it due to the fact that it's usually performed in secrecy before or at the launch of a new coin?
Is it the sheer volume or amount of coins pre-mined?
Is it just so that if/when a new coin is profitable, they can be sold for a quick buck?

On the flip side, is there any instance where-by pre-mining is an acceptable practice?

It could be a combination of many things to you, of course.

Appreciate any and all answers in advance.
My curiosity thanks you.

 Smiley

Depends on the coin I'd say.

If it's deflationary (aka fixed supply) then it's immoral to pre-mine. If it's inflationary... who would care?
278  Economy / Economics / Re: The deflationary problem on: May 03, 2013, 05:06:10 AM
The only thing i'm trying to create is an economic algorithm that has the fewest number of flaws.

You'll never win on the inflation vs deflation thing... (sorry).

As I've already pointed out, your law is flawed in that it depends on Moore's law... which is already breaking down.
279  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: No FCC or UL label on BFL's Jalapeņo on: May 03, 2013, 04:39:40 AM
I'm still laughing over the whole topic...

neither FCC nor UL certification is required... these things aren't broadcast devices. FCC compliance is required, but not the certification. That being said, since it's not ethernet connected it's just fine to ship these items. The only part that needs the cert is the power brick.


If that were the case, then why was Josh so adamant in assuring that certification was in progress back in November?

When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?

Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report.

With the bump in power requirements on the MR and the new screen, we had to make changes, although the new screen is already certified.  We are doing all the devices at once, since they all share the same board.


Note that Josh claims that some screen was already certified, yet nowhere on the FCC site is such a device mentioned unless, of course, the FCC made a mistake and forgot to include it on their website, or it's a non-truth. The other option is that the FCC is behind in posting, not yet to the October of last year's submissions, which would be odd, for I can clearly see this past Wednesday's results.

To this day, Josh has not once addressed the FCC again after releasing his above statement.

My guess would be that the 'issue' was brought to someones attention... a guy assigned to handle it and then later found out that it wasn't needed. As for the screen - the only one I'm aware of would be on the mini-rig, and that's already an aftermarket product with it's own certs (nexus tablet).

I think we tend to think of Josh as a developer when in fact his role with BFL is community management... I'm sure he has as much inside information on the actual processes / assignments going on as any other customer relations guy would at any company - which is zero from personal observation plus whatever management tells him. I know if went to my bizdev dept as an employee with a customer service job and asked them "Hey do we need FCC certs for this thing, someone brought it up on the forums" they'd probably just tell me "Yes, it's in process "so and so is handling it" . That would be the extent of the communication also if the company is big enough (or obscure enough) they wouldn't even tell me who was handling it only that someone was on it and what to tell customers.

280  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! on: May 03, 2013, 04:28:12 AM
anyone who would do any preorder with them now has got to be crazy.

Agreed. This shipping news seems like a deliberate cash grab.

LoL - some people are never happy.

OMG BFL IS SCAM

followed by:

X MONTHS - NO SHIP

followed by:

OMG SHIPPING COST MORE

You guys really make me tired, you were smart enough to get in with pre-orders but somehow not smart enough to know what you were buying? You stuck around through all the FUD without canceling and now are pissed because after product revisions you need to pay more for express shipping?

Just accept the basic shipping, they're covering it out of a sense of obligation. You've been waiting months, a few more days isn't going to kill you.
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