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2641  Other / Meta / Re: What is my trust rating? on: September 04, 2015, 07:13:12 AM
I use my own trust list and I see your trust score as +16. This is because xetsr, TookDk and Pistachio rated you.

Curious as to what my score shows up as for you and others then?

On default settings you show up as:

Depth 1    50   +5
         2  309   +36
         3  504   +60
         4  695   +84

Edit after Vod's post: this is for Blazed

2642  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: cloud mining on: September 03, 2015, 09:13:32 PM
HI guys ^^
what do u think is the best site for cloud mining which i can also buy mhs not only ths or ghs
Any site that will sell you a deal that small is a scam or will never roi.
Forget it.
2643  Other / Meta / Re: What is my trust rating? on: September 03, 2015, 08:11:06 PM
it's 33   +5 if you use depth 3.
2644  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Scrypt.CC | Scrypt Cloud Mining on: September 02, 2015, 03:39:45 PM
to anyone here who still thinks scrypt.cc is a scam...

i have only found "Evidence" as perpetrated by a handful of individuals, some of which have had their entire post count generated here, on this thread dedicated to scrypt.cc's announcement/support, on an off-topic they injected and have ridden.

If scrypt.cc is a scam, then this is my last post, as i will be spamming the report button linking to this page. Moderators please review all the claims and make a judgement as to whether scrypt.cc is indeed dangerous. If it is, close this thread and place a warning telling users as such. If it is not close it anyway and inform the OP of this because it is way too far gone to be directed back.

Personally, i cannot verify the claims made, even as i am using the site. And as such, please use your moderative powers to do something about this nonsense. there are few forums so under regulated as this one...

I'm not entirely sure what you are trying to say, nor what you have been trying to say previously, but I'm sure the appropriate response is "Well, fuck off then."
2645  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: CloudMining.website | Starting from 1 GHs @ 0.0008 BTC | Since November 2014 on: September 01, 2015, 07:29:52 PM
To add an amusing side glance on top of the well known facts (extremely low payouts; no proof of real mining whatsoever; listed in badbitcoin.org for quite a while; not answering questions regarding equipment, detailed statistics, maintenance fees etc. pp.): Not able to stand provable critics.

As you might know they've got there own forum — http://forum.cloudmining.website.

When you post any of the above within that forum, your post gets deleted within an hour by moderator 'Alec'. When you do so repeatedly, your account gets suspended. Medievalism, to put it mildly.

And cue...the arrival of Vitamin King, German Giant, Spanish Soldier, French Fucker whatever aka Alex, with his protests of legitimacy because they've been paying for 7 months therefore they must be legit and if you're really lucky that bullshit "Third party verification" screenshot.
2646  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [bitfinex] 7h35c4mm3r'5rh370r1c [bitfinex] on: September 01, 2015, 06:13:56 PM


This is complete bullshit.
There is no onus on the user to know anything about how the system may or may not process any action they perform.
A "close" button, is a "close" button.
If you click it, it closes the open position. If you have no position to close, clicking it should do nothing.
They are grasping at straws, because they have a shit system with a crap UI that's got "Go crazy and lose money" designed into it in these circumstances.
And they're expecting their clients to pay for it.
Unfuckingbelievable.
2647  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNMODERATED] [ANN] [GCR] Global Currency Reserve on: August 31, 2015, 05:00:34 PM
Yup also deleted, such a scam it's sad. wth? How does bittrex allow/justify this?Huh?

Looks almost like similar scam coins to glove/gird/dibs/etc grap.
I dont think bittrex cares anymore.Their reputation is shot to pieces.They have gone from the most trades in alt coins to the nearly the least.Im just glad that people are starting to see what bittrex really is

Yeah, this.^

This scamcoin is part of the ongoing interest being shown in Bitcoin by the dregs of the MLM industry.
Kill it with fire.

Read this for MLM industry background
http://behindmlm.com/mlm-reviews/global-currency-reserve-review-2999-95-a-month-mining/

BUT
You're all wrong (according to the CEO on FB)
 Cheesy

"We previously predicted that the initial prices would be very volatile based on the negative pressures from the nay-sayers and non-believers in the GCR vision. We are now experiencing just that, but it is only a temporary short-term situation. These individuals are dumping their coins on the market, even at a loss, due to their short-sightedness. But their loss is a great gain for those that recognize a future opportunity to benefit from cryptocurrency done right. Many of you have been buying up all the dumped coins at really cheap prices. That is a great thing, it weeds out the non-believers and rewards the believers."

https://www.facebook.com/globalcurrencyreservenexxus/posts/970479423003219
2648  Other / Off-topic / Re: WORLDS FIRST hybrid crypto-currency! You have to take a look at this! on: August 29, 2015, 08:51:17 PM
The best place to repost this would be the "Absurd MLM/Ponzi Scam" Section, but unfortunately we don't have one of those.
OneCoin is now entering meltdown phase as the pumpers have now prepared their exit strategies and the bag holders are in place.

For a very brief rundown of how clumsy and ridiculous this "coin" is, have a read of this

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114399/one-coin-much-scam-onecoin-exposed-as-global-mlm-ponzi-scheme
2649  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: have you ever worked with Bitclub Network? on: August 28, 2015, 09:02:21 AM
Lol, great thread.
Roll Eyes

Opened by a faucet licker, first post in six months, then replied to "Oh Gee, it's great" by another account whose only other post in three months is about BCN.
Prior to this, the other account has a striking similarity in posting history to that of SecondsOld, a.k.a. Brian Spatola, serial MLM pimp, who was bribing people to sign up under his BitClub Network refferal.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=391995;sa=showPosts

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=251793;sa=showPosts

This is my favorite bit of shilling tho, shows real thought and credibility

Here make an account and check for yourselves, I got in because where I live the senator was doing the presentations with a bunch of financial advisers,bankers, etc rich old people.

My mom go invited because they thought she was assumed to be a financial adviser I think, but im just a regular teenage guy, but when my mother told me it was bitclub related i was like wtf.

So when I checked it out I technically snuck in early im assuming.

Also most of those people know something is going on in September and have insider information about bitcoin, those people in that meeting are not ones to be fucked with.

TL:DR
Regular teenage guy's mom looks like financial adviser to Senator, so he finds $599 to buy into Illuminati plot, gets insider info about BTC, lives happily ever after.
 Cheesy
2650  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: [MUST READ] Need 10 BTC Loan... Need help, please read... on: August 27, 2015, 01:03:34 PM
The money would be for teh funeral??

Somewhat, I mean some funds will be used for ritual procedures and remaining for some months to be secured by my side for me to be able to show my mother that my dad's still there with us, and I am capable of handling every situation that we are facing currently...

What does that even mean?

I lost my father a while ago, a hugely traumatic experience. I am trying to understand how I would have been prompted, in my grief, to go on an internet forum and ask for a $2,500 loan.
And I can't.

Hilarious has nailed the situation imo.
If you have any self respect or respect for the memory of your father, you should seriously think about deleting this thread.

2651  Other / Meta / Re: New posting bot on: August 27, 2015, 12:01:16 PM
What is the status of those users caught copying and pasting posts?
Is there any action taken against them?

What's the status of those users caught asking a question which has been answered two posts above?
Is there any action taken against them, or do we just have to put up with it because they're in a signature campaign?
2652  Economy / Services / Re: Up to 0.035 BTC weekly for YOUR SIGNATURE *New rules on: August 27, 2015, 11:51:48 AM

Rules
- You must have no negative feedback points
- Only constructive posts! If majority of the posts is in off-topic sections, bump, spam, few words, picture - you will be banned forever.
- No other signatures are allowed at the same time.
- Must post in multiple sections of the forum during a whole week. We will ban forever 50 posts-one-day posters.

- We don't pay for posts less than 75 symbols length.
- We don't pay for posts in Off-topic / Games and rounds / Alternate cryptocurrencies / Indonesian and this thread.


Thank you!



How about bots and copypasta?
You happy to pay for that?

Check this out

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1163169.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=372009;sa=showPosts

Oh, I forgot, you're a bot too.
So now we have bots authorizing bots to post copypasted spam, all in the name of signature campaigns.......

2653  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: --Hashnet Main Thread - Decentralized Pure Bitcoin Cloud Mining-- on: August 27, 2015, 11:27:08 AM
So, 20th August has come and gone, what's happening Robert?
2654  Other / Meta / Re: New posting bot on: August 27, 2015, 11:01:20 AM
A quick look confirms that it is this account's MO.
What's to be done? Tell Bitmixer and get his sig payments stopped? Nuke? Neg trust?

The curse of signature campaigns strikes again.
 Roll Eyes
2655  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BitClub Network: MLM promises, false testimonials and PoS coin - AVOID on: August 26, 2015, 12:55:58 PM
Just while waiting for another shoe to drop, especially in the bizarre fraud accusation against EndtheFed https://bitclubnetwork.com/fraud/1/lerdbaron.html , I thought I'd crunch a few numbers in my spare time.

These worldwide MLM/Ponzi schemes can be huge, tens and hundreds of millions of dollars is quite common.
For example, the original promoters of BitClubNetwork came to the notice of the anti scammers over at http://behindmlm.com/companies/bitclub-network-review-zeek-ponzi-veterans-at-it-again/  because they were associated with the promotion of Zeek Rewards, a huge Ponzi with a MLM referral scheme attached.

The Zeek receiver has so far clawed back and redistributed $246,000,000 !!
http://www.zeekrewardsreceivership.com/

This money has been reclaimed from "Net Winners" through the US legal system, so the absolute attraction of anonymous Bitcoin for these sort of scammers is obvious, despite the fact that, according to one of their die hard shills, BitClub Network in actually based in Romania.

 

http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Bitclub-Network-Bitclub-t478335.html

This is according to SecondsOld, a serial MLM pumper who actually dabbles in altcoins on here and has the only BitClub Network signature I have seen.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=251793

He is currently pumping BitClub and BitBillions GBBG, famous on here as the AussieStriker echo chamber, and for its incredibly anally complicated methods of creating money out of nothing.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=147613.0

He was actually paying new mugs investors $100 cashback to mire themselves in the BitClub web grasp the opportunity of a lifetime and sign up on his downline.

BitClub is the greatest passive opportunity that I have
ever seen in my 15 years of networking, and it pays every single day
like clockwork.
For that reason, I'd love to help you get started earning daily income.

If you join me by becoming an active member of BitClub and
purchase at least one pool share, I will send you $100 via your
choice of Paypal, SolidTrustPay, or Bitcoin to make your membership
FREE!


http://archive.aweber.com/secondsold/9W_5H/h/SecondsOld_com_OFFER_100_.htm

We know that MLM companies make hundreds of millions of dollars (mainly) throughout the world. One of the ways that has been developed to define whether a scheme is legally legit in the States is quite logical: does their income derive from business activity and is the referral scheme an adjunct to that legitimate activity, or is it the reason for the existence of the business in the first place?

Anyway, a bit of number crunching.
For BitClub (or any other investment) to be sustainable and not a Ponzi, it must earn more than it pays out, or it will have to use new incoming investments to pay earlier ones.

So, how much does BCN pay out, and how much does it have coming in?

Because everything is secret and these people tend to make stuff up to suit the situation, these will be called "fag packet" calculations, as in not claiming to be 100% accurate, but, like something jotted on the back of a cigarette packet, hopefully giving an oversight into the situation.

How many investors need paying, and how much?

According to Thomas Morrison on FaceBook, (he probably doesn't exist, but there are a number of other references to similar amounts), BitClub Network has  6000 Bitcoin Educators (sic) earning Bitcoin daily



6000.
Ok, in order to qualify as an "educator", you have to be bought in. Let's assume they count everyone who has paid in, even non referral marks like our EndtheFed in that 6,000.

That's $99 each, plus between $500 minimum and $3500 for all three mining schemes.
Let's ignore the $99 (a handy $600,000 bit of change) and concentrate on the repayments to those 6,000 investors.

All these schemes have important sounding names for levels within them and BCN is no exception, with its "Founders".
A Founder, according to a tweet last november, buys all three of the mining programs for $3500 and 500 Founders had already been found, with another 500 being lined up.
http://patrickpretty.com/2014/11/18/bitclub-network-now-wants-500-new-suckers-participants-exhorted-to-be-patient-because-purported-mining-community-venture-is-like-building-a-home-made-space-ship-to-explore-outer-space/

Let's say for the sake of our fag packet, that they found them.
Let's say, conservatively, that the 6,000 'educators' consist of 1,000 @ $3500 each and the other 5,000 at an average of $1000 each. That would be a good number of $1000's, plus quite a few more all-ins balancing out a few $500's.
With these sort of people, you would be hounded non stop to increase your basic investment (and your sponsor's affiliate earnings). Once you're in and you believe/have convinced yourself/been convinced, the only way is to max out.

That's about $9,000,000. A lot of money to you and me, but small beer in the world of MLM cons. And plenty enough to buy a farm and have big change.

But, in order for it to be legitimate, BCN have to service that debt from exterior i.e. mining profit, not from new investors or they will be a Ponzi..
How much do they need to find?

They have mandatory reinvestment % on the different account values. These % are NOT mining costs, despite BCN halfheartedly once trying to imply that, they are re-investments in extra shares created for the benefit of the investor. They can't be both, if they are sold as a share they cannot be used to pay the bills. Double counting is a MLM speciality.

Let's have a look at LERDBARON aka EndtheFed's account:

 

Ignore the cummulative totals, let's just look at "last 24 hours"... 0.00585 BTC earned on 1.2954 shares.
That's a basic unit of 0.0045 BTC per $500 share per day, but of course 50% minimum of that is mandatorily reinvested, so the actual cash out available to the lowest tier 'miner' is pretty much around their 1000 day implied ROI, or ~0.0022 BTC per day.
The re-investments are totally meaningless until they provide a tangible income, or have a resaleable value. IOU's backed by nothing.

For the sake of this, let's say that each group of 'miners' has stayed at default re-investment %'s, despite being urged to crank it up to the max and re-invest EVERYTHING.
Cash paid per day:
On 2000 x $500 accounts that's 9  BTC @ 50/50%, 4.5  BTC paid out.
On 4000 x $1000  -         -      36 BTC @ 60/40% 21.6 BTC paid out.
On 2000 x $2000  -         -      36 BTC @ 70/30% 25.2 BTC paid out.

A total of 51.2 BTC paid out daily, plus future liability of 28.8 BTC compounded re-investment, added daily. Hold that thought....

*  *  *


So, how much are they earning, then? As in mining income, they have no other source of revenue.

They were trumpeting about having over 2 PH/s and roaring up the mining leader board a while back. Since they have been advertizing their pool, they have recently been showing 4.2 PH/s on their mining stats here
https://bitclubpool.com/index.php?p=stats

But, of the 60 blocks mined since 07/29, 18 of them have been attributed to non BitClub mining interests happyorange and holyscott



which gives BCN about 1.5 blocks per day to themselves, or 37.5 BTC maximum.
That's a gross figure, without any deductions for capital investment, electricity, staff etc. etc. and certainly none for the estimated 30%+ cost of the huge referral system.

They claim to be mining in Iceland. There was an interesting video about Genesis Mining recently, where the CEO shed a bit of light on the cost of producing a Bitcoin in a modern farm in Iceland.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/photos-iceland-bitcoin-mine-genesis-mining-cloud-2015-8

Streng says one Bitcoin costs them $60 in electricity, $130 in fixed costs and leaves about $50 profit for dividend payments to investors @ a price of $240/BTC. Any decrease in price comes straight out of that $50 profit, the other costs are fixed.
In other words, about 20% profit before dividend and tax.

Assuming Streng isn't lying, then the same maths apply to our BCN friends.

A gross revenue of 37.5 BTC per day becomes a nett distributable profit of 7.5 BTC per day after costs. Hold that one too....

*   *   *

Daily profit and Loss for BITCLUB NETWORK

LIABILTIES

Cash payments to investors 51.2
Future liabilities                 28.8
Mining Overhead                30.0

INCOME

Gross mining revenue        37.5        


DAILY OPERATING CASH DEFICIT  43.7 BTC,
plus future unfunded liabilities increasing at 28.8 BTC per day.

Even if you said all of the re-investment went to paying the existing overheads and infrastructure costs and thus that future shares would be worthless, the conclusion is still inescapable

BY THEIR OWN FIGURES, BITCLUB NETWORK IS AN UNSUSTAINABLE PONZI OPERATION, USING BITCOIN MINING AS A FRONT FOR A MULTI LEVEL MARKETING SCAM.



Minor edit for grammar.








 
2656  Other / Meta / Re: Is this behaviour by people on DefaultTrust (level 1 & level 2) allowed ? on: August 24, 2015, 11:20:37 AM
The whole premise of OP's argument is faulty.
It's just an extension of the standard Ponzi promoter's argument that any critics are shills for the "competition".
2657  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BitBillions GBBG on: August 23, 2015, 04:08:52 PM
snip<stuff>

You opened this thread nearly 2 1/2 years ago.
How much money have you made?

Good question. All up in bitcoin I made about 16 bitcoin......From the current sources, Publisher, Bitbillions earners, BBC, $9 Ad Network and Agency, I think it is about 1300 atm....
Yes it is 2.5 years since this thread started but the majority of the programs that you can earn from started since March this year.
my edits for clarity

Just to be clear, are you saying you have increased your initial investment by 16 BTC plus making $1300 from other programmes, mainly since this March?
What size investment did you start with and what aspects of GBBG were mainly responsible for the bulk of the capital appreciation?
2658  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BitBillions GBBG on: August 22, 2015, 08:28:13 PM
snip<stuff>

You opened this thread nearly 2 1/2 years ago.
How much money have you made?
2659  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] BitClub Network - Passive Bitcoin Mining Opportunity NOW LIVE! on: August 21, 2015, 09:40:44 AM
Most businesses use fake ones, with random images.

I'd need a source on that, it's actually illegal, even in the Home of the Free. The Federal Trade Commission says 'it is illegal to use testimonials that "...mislead consumers and affect consumers' behavior or decisions about the product or service." '

https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/attachments/press-releases/ftc-publishes-final-guides-governing-endorsements-testimonials/091005revisedendorsementguides.pdf

You also miss the point I made: what is the likelihood of randomly choosing a picture of a convicted rapist, the only picture of that person ever on the Net, and using it to promote your business? I said on the other thread that I'd had experience with the type of people that infest the MLM industry, they are contemptuous, in the extreme, of the marks that buy into their bullshit and give them money.
It's entirely within character for one of these fuckheads to have used this image deliberately as a little 'joke'.

Meanwhile, the shills have been stirred into action by my interest (the Jeffrey Babener they refer to is the MLM mafia's lawyer).

 http://behindmlm.com/companies/bitclub-network-review-zeek-ponzi-veterans-at-it-again/#comment-345031

One thing I do find interesting is that BCN seem be going after our man EndtheFed321 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=79176 , accusing him of stealing from them, something he naturally denies.

https://bitclubnetwork.com/fraud/1/lerdbaron.html

What makes this move interesting is that, unless the blackmail works, then it would mean that BCN would start having to bring some real life people with names in to the public arena should they carry through with their legal threat.
That would surely be counterproductive for an organisation which seems to be in breach of just about every SEC regulation and only exists because of its annonymity.
2660  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BitClub Network: MLM promises, false testimonials and PoS coin - AVOID on: August 20, 2015, 05:20:32 PM


Meanwhile, BCN continue their attempt at global domination with another lie, this time with their mining pool




As I have circled, they use the word "Free" three times in respect of cost to miners of using their pool.
This is an outright falsehood, they keep the Tx fees that miners would normally receive for transactions Roll Eyes

Despite being asked a number of times to correct their advertising in this thread, they still continue to claim that it's "free" to mine with them.
But it's not.
Neither are there any details of how they'll pay miners for their work....Paycoin maybe?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1148668.0
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