For those of you who think it would be full of spam: how is it that hilariousandco’s ideas of removing signatures completely for lower ranks seems a good idea and to allow them on the Ivory Tower for one month where only members and above can post, seem such a bad one? I think it is pretty much the same. They're completely different. My suggestion stops those lower ranks from getting paid to post completely because they've turned the forum into a shitheap. Your suggestion is we allow them to get paid to post in a board that was created for the exact opposite of that and turn that into a shitheap as well. I had the idea that there would obviously be much less spam than on other sections, and I thought it could show that the problem is not paid signatures but mostly lower rank signatures. The higher the rank, the less spammers. The spam issue is from both lower ranks and having a signature. Put them together and you have disaster. Allowing them another board to spam in isn't the solution to anything but more paid signature spam, and in a board that was created for the express purpose to be free of that. How is it not working? Clearly it is working if it's not full of sig spam.
I don’t think theymos wanted such low traffic on that board when he opened it. Theymos and others wanted some boards that were free of signature spam in there, you know, what you're now suggesting we do to liven the place up a bit. That board having low traffic isn't an issue at all. The purpose of it is to have a place for sig-free unmonetised discussion and it mostly works in that respect. That board doesn't need traffic. It's a sig-free discussion board. The lack of posting in there only proves that the majority of people only post here for signature campaigns, but that was already a given. The bad thing is even Jr. Members below or even Members (I just guessing 'cause I really don't know) that has knowledge and might be interested on a topic can't reply to it. Hope even allowed it to example in my rank to post out there I don't mind my signature not to be seen.
The Ivory Tower is meant to keep people like you out. You can post in every other board or your local language one if there's something you want to discuss. |
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Are you really expecting new accounts to contribute something here immediately? Just imagine when you gain admission into a new school, you are expected to be on the learning part and such should be expected here. But the problem here is people are going to an English-speaking 'school' for a subject they don't have any interest or knowledge in and many can't speak English very well in the first place, but are only going because there's some payment in it for them for 'attending'. When I was in college if you parents earned under a certain amount you got a thing called Educational Maintenance Allowance. There were some people in my class who were quite open that they wouldn't be there if it wasn't for that, and they didn't really want to be there and would do the minimal amount of work possible and just slack off. They really shouldn't have been there and were sometimes quite disruptive to the rest of the class. The same thing is happening here. Most of the new users don't care about Bitcoin and are just here to earn and it's ruined the experience for everyone else in the process. That's the same problem we have here. |
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Mods have to be paid, that might be the issue here. You could find volunteers yes, but volunteers might get overzealous if they don't have the right motivations.
How about making new mods rank up instead of paying them ? And if they do a shitty job, you just fire them and move them back to their former rank.
Staff members are volunteers but do get paid also. The issue isn't money as theymos has said numerous times that the forum has more than enough money in reserves, so much so that he's even contemplated getting rid of the forum ad slot which is pretty much the forum's only source of income (which I don't think he should do). There are probably several long-standing and fairly trusted members of the community that could step up and would make great mods and those amongst the highest reporters with several thousands of accurate reports would be on a worthy shortlist. You could also promote some of the existing staff members to dedicated sub board mods but doing both would be more effective. |
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I guess I need to step it up... Only 95% accuracy.
Still it's good to show the users some stats about their work, let them know that what they are doing is actually contributing some value to the forum.
Would be nice to also see a breakdown of who had the most accurate reports, could be like a competition (perhaps to decide the next mod?)
This is the most recent update(8 months ago): All time: +--------------------+-------+-----+-----------+----------+
| realName | good | bad | unhandled | accuracy |
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| Lutpin | 11008 | 167 | 334 | 0.9851 |
| shorena | 10423 | 359 | 524 | 0.9667 |
| Cyrus | 4641 | 170 | 90 | 0.9647 |
| botany | 4568 | 159 | 220 | 0.9664 |
| xandry | 4271 | 89 | 91 | 0.9796 |
| xhomerx10 | 4098 | 65 | 184 | 0.9844 |
| mexxer-2 | 3936 | 80 | 71 | 0.9801 |
| Foxpup | 3719 | 21 | 99 | 0.9944 |
| EFS | 3597 | 74 | 171 | 0.9798 |
| rickbig41 | 3321 | 46 | 367 | 0.9863 |
| Quickseller | 2982 | 130 | 173 | 0.9582 |
| mprep | 2794 | 120 | 159 | 0.9588 |
| hilariousandco | 2723 | 82 | 30 | 0.9708 |
| TheButterZone | 2430 | 230 | 97 | 0.9135 |
| DannyHamilton | 2425 | 31 | 111 | 0.9874 |
| Welsh | 2213 | 42 | 20 | 0.9814 |
| achow101 | 1847 | 29 | 47 | 0.9845 |
| redsn0w | 1786 | 276 | 118 | 0.8661 |
| -ck | 1756 | 26 | 14 | 0.9854 |
| subSTRATA | 1633 | 58 | 121 | 0.9657 |
| mitzie | 1526 | 65 | 32 | 0.9591 |
| dbshck | 1523 | 14 | 9 | 0.9909 |
| deadley | 1495 | 79 | 16 | 0.9498 |
| SFR10 | 1417 | 5 | 14 | 0.9965 |
| EcuaMobi | 1370 | 13 | 17 | 0.9906 |
| malevolent | 1317 | 37 | 18 | 0.9727 |
| --Encrypted-- | 1268 | 23 | 28 | 0.9822 |
| tmfp | 1230 | 39 | 22 | 0.9693 |
| Lauda | 1197 | 22 | 66 | 0.9820 |
| suchmoon | 1111 | 119 | 172 | 0.9033 |
| Vod | 1110 | 17 | 23 | 0.9849 |
| okae | 1063 | 0 | 0 | 1.0000 |
| OmegaStarScream | 1060 | 17 | 14 | 0.9842 |
| railzand | 965 | 61 | 3 | 0.9405 |
| mocacinno | 955 | 0 | 0 | 1.0000 |
| austin | 896 | 46 | 0 | 0.9512 |
| Mitchell | 895 | 36 | 118 | 0.9613 |
| Muhammed Zakir | 877 | 71 | 89 | 0.9251 |
| unamis76 | 852 | 2 | 7 | 0.9977 |
| NLNico | 779 | 20 | 8 | 0.9750 |
| MissCrypto | 773 | 18 | 14 | 0.9772 |
| xetsr | 750 | 47 | 44 | 0.9410 |
| dogie | 725 | 215 | 109 | 0.7713 |
| KWH | 705 | 72 | 51 | 0.9073 |
| Chris! | 696 | 37 | 31 | 0.9495 |
| grv | 677 | 16 | 946 | 0.9769 |
| dihydrogenmonoxide | 647 | 159 | 87 | 0.8027 |
| pedrog | 643 | 5 | 5 | 0.9923 |
| ocminer | 617 | 33 | 6 | 0.9492 |
| cr1776 | 606 | 12 | 10 | 0.9806 |
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Last 120 days: +---------------------+------+-----+-----------+----------+
| realName | good | bad | unhandled | accuracy |
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| rickbig41 | 1535 | 24 | 248 | 0.9846 |
| xandry | 1208 | 25 | 2 | 0.9797 |
| xhomerx10 | 542 | 9 | 31 | 0.9837 |
| Foxpup | 401 | 2 | 30 | 0.9950 |
| DannyHamilton | 363 | 7 | 32 | 0.9811 |
| Lutpin | 341 | 7 | 32 | 0.9799 |
| grv | 306 | 6 | 540 | 0.9808 |
| subSTRATA | 269 | 3 | 18 | 0.9890 |
| mprep | 248 | 1 | 27 | 0.9960 |
| frodocooper | 191 | 4 | 5 | 0.9795 |
| The Pharmacist | 176 | 2 | 20 | 0.9888 |
| -ck | 155 | 0 | 4 | 1.0000 |
| EFS | 154 | 0 | 14 | 1.0000 |
| vizito | 145 | 4 | 4 | 0.9732 |
| MissCrypto | 137 | 0 | 13 | 1.0000 |
| HI-TEC99 | 136 | 1 | 3 | 0.9927 |
| dbshck | 134 | 0 | 1 | 1.0000 |
| OmegaStarScream | 131 | 1 | 5 | 0.9924 |
| fxpc | 130 | 42 | 36 | 0.7558 |
| bL4nkcode | 123 | 9 | 12 | 0.9318 |
| PauloLauro | 122 | 106 | 3 | 0.5351 |
| Flying Hellfish | 109 | 10 | 1 | 0.9160 |
| shorena | 106 | 5 | 12 | 0.9550 |
| Vadi2323 | 105 | 19 | 3 | 0.8468 |
| Meuh6879 | 99 | 4 | 5 | 0.9612 |
| achow101 | 97 | 0 | 4 | 1.0000 |
| Pearls Before Swine | 97 | 11 | 7 | 0.8981 |
| mocacinno | 86 | 0 | 0 | 1.0000 |
| Kubra Dam | 85 | 13 | 0 | 0.8673 |
| NotFuzzyWarm | 85 | 2 | 7 | 0.9770 |
| Quickseller | 83 | 1 | 12 | 0.9881 |
| Mitchell | 81 | 3 | 17 | 0.9643 |
| Here4Trades | 78 | 1 | 7 | 0.9873 |
| Joel_Jantsen | 77 | 3 | 10 | 0.9625 |
| Vod | 72 | 0 | 6 | 1.0000 |
| P E K K A | 71 | 24 | 2 | 0.7474 |
| Blackshadow007 | 68 | 5 | 0 | 0.9315 |
| Byte16 | 66 | 7 | 0 | 0.9041 |
| instacalm | 66 | 5 | 2 | 0.9296 |
| AT101ET | 64 | 1 | 0 | 0.9846 |
| odolvlobo | 62 | 0 | 1 | 1.0000 |
| sweetdesirez | 61 | 3 | 4 | 0.9531 |
| sbogovac | 61 | 1 | 21 | 0.9839 |
| pooya87 | 59 | 0 | 9 | 1.0000 |
| Lauda | 59 | 0 | 1 | 1.0000 |
| nydiacaskey01 | 58 | 2 | 1 | 0.9667 |
| 110110101 | 57 | 0 | 0 | 1.0000 |
| richardivan | 55 | 7 | 2 | 0.8871 |
| suchmoon | 54 | 3 | 4 | 0.9474 |
| LeGaulois | 53 | 2 | 1 | 0.9636 |
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Thanks a lot to all active reporters! These stats have likely changed dramatically since then though. Are these still the most recent updates on the reporters? Theymos, could you give us the updated ones for both all time and the past 90/120 days or whatever when you get chance? For those interested these are the one for Bitcoin Discussion: Good reports, last 90 days: +-----------------------+--------+
| realName | rcount |
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| krishnapramod | 1255 |
| bitart | 609 |
| stompix | 349 |
| pooya87 | 299 |
| OmegaStarScream | 238 |
| Welsh | 205 |
| xhomerx10 | 189 |
| bitcoin revo | 186 |
| TheQuin | 148 |
| bitperson | 135 |
| Lutpin | 127 |
| LeGaulois | 117 |
| ralle14 | 116 |
| qwk | 103 |
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Was it ever really alive in the first place? Most of the 'serious' discussion just goes on in Serious Discussion anyway.
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The economics board is terrible too. The entire board is terrible and the longer we leave things the worse it gets and exponentially so. Signature spam has always been an issue here even back when I signed up, but it was never like it is now. The spam was tolerable and few and far between with only a handful of users that over-stepped the mark and when they did they were usually temp banned by BadBear. Now the signature spam is completely embarrassing with it being endemic and spam being the norm consisting mostly of barely comprehensible generic one or two liners made by people who don't even care about bitcoin and can't speak English very well and are only doing so for payment and likely over many multiple accounts. It's become unmanageable, but the people who need to be punished are the ICOs that are paying them to do this. If you go in Bitcoin Discussion probably eight out of every ten posts are mostly generic nonsense churned out by someone who's on an ICO campaign and doesn't really know what they're talking about. As theymos himself says, this forum shouldn't be a welfare system for people, but that's what it mostly is now. There are ways we can stop this, or at least drastically curb it, but doing nothing is only going to make it worse. I get that theymos is busy and appreciate coding things takes time and he is probably under incredible stress with all the issues he has to deal with being the defacto executive here and there's a lot of things that go on behind the scenes that most people probably don't even consider (accounting, dealing with lawyers, the taxman, and all the other issues this forum has which he is probably doing most of by himself), but that's why he should delegate as many things as he can here to others. I get that it's not always easy handing off things that require a lot of trust but there are plenty of things theymos can do in the meantime that will help clean the board up and all it probably takes is a few clicks and minutes of his time and then others can do the work without bothering him and the forum benefits in the process. Theymos must get annoyed at all the PMs he gets about various issues so why not do things that will solve some of the many issues here and cut down the need for users pestering him which will then free up his time to do the more important things behind the scenes that only he can do? I don't even like messaging him about things these days because he rarely replies and I don't want him to get annoyed at me, but should I just give up? If that happens then the worse things get. I messaged him about adding a mod for Bitcoin Discussion on August 7th and got a response the same day with a list of the top reporters there but he never replied to me after that despite sending about 4 or 5 messages about it every week or so. krishnapramod was the top reporter there and he also busts a lot of copy and pasters so he would probably be good choice for a patroller at least (unless theymos knows something about him I don't). He's also apparently Indian so if that Local board needs another mod then that's another good reason. If theymos or cyrus don't have the time and/or energy to restore accounts, add more mods, add merit sources or even run the forum ad auctions then that should be stuff that gets delegated to others. Adding more mods or assigning sub board mods should have been done years ago and it doesn't take much of theymos' time do so so and that's one less thing he has to worry about and the forum improves at least a little bit in the process. Also, even if theymos does implement the automatic account recovery process eventually there's still going to be people who won't be able to use it or need further investigation so another admin is probably going to be needed anyway, and at least they can help restore accounts in the meantime until that system goes live. There's also all the account and bot farming issues that need to be looked into like this. Theymos himself said more mods and admins (or demi-admins) are probably a good idea, so why not do these things now instead of putting them off? Maybe it is a trust matters because handing a new man an authority to be near admin level means there is risk for some things, maybe like account security, etc, but i dont know for sure about that. Maybe, just maybe, hiring accountants and professionals means that
There may or may not be trust issues with adding more admins, but there's ways you can limit the power you give people to minimise the risk of potential abuse, but putting off doing things just because of potential abuse doesn't help and in fact makes things worse. If there's no one trustable here to do certain things then look at alternative ways. Hire someone externally like he has mentioned or try get BadBear back since we know at least he can be trusted to be an admin. If theymos can't or don't want to recruit new moderator, then theymos should do something else such as disabling signature on boards with lots of spammer to punish spammer.
Such drastic measure like this shouldn't be a first option, but doing this would just push those spammers to other boards where signatures are shown. It doesn't solve the problem but just sweeps the rubbish into a different part of the house. I'd like to help moderating the Economics section but I think theymos wants for moderators people who massively report, and I don’t. I’ve only reported 85 times in one year.
Well I would say keep reporting, but there are users with thousands upon thousands of reports that are not yet mods. I don't think anyone who does just report a shitload of posts should be automatically made a mod, but I definitely think there are some good candidates amongst those that do (unless theymos knows something about them that I don't). |
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For some reason this user necrobumped an ICO thread from three years ago: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=78261 milly6 January 17, 2013 Noticed he sent 50 merits to MilkandPie4U for this post (which also seems to be a bit of a necrobump): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1699708.msg40884406#msg40884406He also received 5 merit from CryptoWiz420. And both MilkandPie4U and CryptoWiz420 sent merits to each other: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=543314 MilkandPie4U August 08, 2015 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=520497 CryptoWiz420 June 07, 2015 Merit summary for MilkandPie4U Merit: 151 Sent in the last 120 days June 25, 2018, 07:39:09 PM: 8 to CryptoWiz420 for Re: ( [ANN] ) (PUNZ) - Making Crypto Great Again - Zerocoin Being Implemented June 25, 2018, 07:37:29 PM: 8 to CryptoWiz420 for Re: ( [ANN] ) (PUNZ) - Making Crypto Great Again - Zerocoin Being Implemented Received in the last 120 days June 25, 2018, 04:48:51 PM: 1 from CryptoWiz420 for Re: ( [ANN] ) (PUNZ) - Making Crypto Great Again - Zerocoin Being Implemented June 25, 2018, 03:08:39 PM: 50 from milly6 for Re: ( [ANN] ) (PUNZ) - Making Crypto Great Again - Zerocoin Being Implemented Merit summary for CryptoWiz420 Merit: 516 Sent in the last 120 days June 27, 2018, 06:17:54 AM: 5 to milly6 for Re: [ANN] Cosmic - Space Simulation 3D - EEG Technology - MUSE - Brainwave Tech June 25, 2018, 04:48:51 PM: 1 to MilkandPie4U for Re: ( [ANN] ) (PUNZ) - Making Crypto Great Again - Zerocoin Being Implemented Received in the last 120 days June 25, 2018, 07:39:09 PM: 8 from MilkandPie4U for Re: ( [ANN] ) (PUNZ) - Making Crypto Great Again - Zerocoin Being Implemented June 25, 2018, 07:37:29 PM: 8 from MilkandPie4U for Re: ( [ANN] ) (PUNZ) - Making Crypto Great Again - Zerocoin Being Implemented |
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It might be better giving a few mods or Globals the ability to designate new sources, or maybe even putting users to a vote once they've requested to be made a source.
I would agree with that. I didn't realize merit source applications were such a low priority. Does Theymos think we don't need more, or is he just being silent about it? Everything is seemingly a low priority right now or gets put on the backburner. Nobody knows what theymos thinks most of the time because he rarely addresses things and as such we never know where he stands and don't know whether he agrees with something or is fundamentally against it. I'm sure he's aware that sources will need to be added to meet demand, but if he doesn't have time for most of the other things that need doing then he likely won't for this either (and in the grand scheme of things it probably is low priority but that doesn't mean it shouldn't get done). That's why I think powers and processes need to be delegated to those who can be trusted to use them wisely or efficiently. If theymos and cyrus are the only two people who can restore accounts, add merit sources, add mods, check IPs for farming and ban evasion (+ other things) and none of them are getting done at all then that's something that needs to be addressed otherwise the ship is just going to crumble and continue to sink. |
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No posts from me? Fail.
When was the last time a merit source got added? Given the list of things that aren't getting done right now I'm not sure how much of a priority this would be for theymos (though adding merit sources frequently needs to happen for the system to work). It might be better giving a few mods or Globals the ability to designate new sources, or maybe even putting users to a vote once they've requested to be made a source. There could be even a team of 'trusted' community members that have their say and if the majority agree they're either made a source by whoever is able to or the recommendation is passed on to theymos. I previosuly suggested a board for high-merited users (or reporters) before and maybe these things could be discussed in there.
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Free handouts? Rich people get more handouts then anyone. The USA government privatizes the profits but makes the losses public, they bail out the bankers and auto industry and give ridiculous tax breaks to corporations. The wealthy people make the laws. This is irrelevant. Two wrongs don't make a right, but who's more in the wrong here? The people who expect to steal from the rich to give to the poor and get paid more money for doing nothing or the people who have earned their millions and don't want to give it all away to those who are too lazy or incapable of starting their own business. Not everyone who has a business or a bit of money is part of the super rich or 1% either. There's not much difference between the lower and middle classes these days. Wealthy people robbed? You do realize they make their wealth off the backs of their workers. The workers are the ones being robbed. WE live in a society, no one is "self made", we all rely on each other. They're not slaves and no one is being robbed by being employed. People should start their own businesses or stop working for people if they're so against this. The same people who complain at the rich only do so because of envy and they want to be just like them and if they were they'd be doing the same thing and they certainly wouldn't want to be giving away their hard earned money. People need to stop blaming others for their own problems or lack of success. |
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Another two: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2280121 Emily_Davis July 14, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2280248 Martha_Ferris July 14, 2018 Noticed this one posting in the same thread as above as well: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2276976 John_Muck July 12, 2018 Has "Moderator to www.reddit.com/r/Lisk/ and aid to projects built within the Lisk Ecosystem." in his signature. Could be a coincidence and unrelated but quite uncanny. Notcied some diffferent farmers whilst looking for more the above ones: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2289500 EfficientGrasshopper365 July 17, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2289447 EtherealBlaze612 July 17, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2289440 WealthAscent345 July 17, 2018, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2289439 CupidParkway003 July 17, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2289435 HyperFinish523 July 17, 2018, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2289503 IndependentExtend32 July 17, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2289495 HyperService08 July 17, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2289505 PirateMuscle20 July 17, 2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2289508 SamuraiBlender322 July 17, 2018 All shitposters posting one after the other. Don't seem to have logged on since. |
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He's not actually saying or pinpointing the ones who are doing it or doing the selling. These are all just his point of view and I am definitely with him. There seems to be something going on that only members that has multiple accounts are doing. Let us be honest with this, there are members who has multiple accounts and they are the ones also giving credits or merits to them selves to upgrade their ranks eventually, rich are getting richer and the poor stays that way. Posting relevant posts isn't the basis anymore as you could analyze it but veteran members still insists it is the main basis and it supposed to remain that way. I just hope I will not be banned for saying what is really going on, anyone is entitled to give their side and opinion about matters that matters most.
I'm getting sick of hearing this bullshit excuse that merit makes the rich get richer. Do you know the only type of people who make this claim? The ones who are 100% only here to earn from posting. Ranks or merit do not effect your ability to post here, but they certainly effect your ability to maximise earnings via signature campaigns and this is what you're upset about. This forum was not created as a place to earn for posting; it was a place to discuss bitcoin but you're not interested in that if you couldn't get paid for it and that is the whole reason why the merit system was introduced in the first place. 15 out of your first 20 posts here are in threads that are in the trashcan. The rest are mostly all just generic one/two liners made only for payment. Merit isn't a system to keep the poor poor or the rich rich, it's to stop people like you signing up with 20 accounts per family member just to post a hollow one or two liner over each of their accounts and ranking up over time in the process. Now doing this will get you nowhere without contributing substantially and getting merits. In fact, I don't think the merit system goes far enough. I think to become a Junior Member you should have to earn something between 1-10 merits and that would really sort the wheat from the chaff (or the rich from the poor going by your logic) because people like you wouldn't be able to earn anything without getting merit and that is a good thing and would do wonders for this forum. This board is not a place to earn money for posting rubbish and it owes you nothing. We've been too lax for far too long and it has now been swamped by shitposters just looking to earn and they have ruined the forum in the process. You have just chosen to come here to earn and now you find that isn't as easy as whoever told you it was. Now you feel like you've had money swiped from your hand. You haven't. Make great contributions here and one day you will become of those people who you think are the 'wealthy elite'. Improve my language? English is my official language here in our country and we considered it also as our mother language. I am not blaming those who managed to get their merits and I don't even feel any envy. I was just saying my thoughts and opinion regarding the subject. Easy for you to say all these things you have said because you are a seniority member. But, you made a big point regarding that and better for us to take it as a complement for us to strive more and harder.
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So apparently I'm not allowed to post anything that goes against capitalism and supports socialism,
the politics and society boards are censored to hell and I'm getting posts deleted for no fucking reason.
Context is king here. Your political views are unlikely to be censored and it was probably removed for some other infraction. I noticed the same thing Had my post deleted A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted. Governments should tax wealthy people and companies more and stop trying to pester the people that are in poverty. The world we be a much better place if wealth was distributed more equally. How do they pester people in poverty? Somehow I don't think you would be saying this if the tables were turned and you were one of the rich people being extorted out of their hard earned cash. People should stop expecting free handouts and go make themselves wealthy if that's what they truly desire. Wealthy people shouldn't be robbed just because they've been more financially successful than you. I believe taxes are a good thing if they benefit society as whole, but I think a flat tax where everybody pays the same would be a far better solution, but the rich shouldn't be robbed just because you want free money. |
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The quality of posting in the main section of the forum has dropped dramatically since I joined. Nothing’s going to change unless paid signatures are stopped though (and yes I’m aware that I’m wearing one but I don’t post like the spammers present there).
A better solution would be to crack down on the ICOs campaigns that are paying them to post rubbish in there. I've also been saying for years that that board needs at least one dedicated mod. I've messaged theymos about this probably 3-5 times over the past month or two alone. I managed to get a list of the top reporters in there from him about two months or so ago, but no action has been taken so far to implement one. In fact, I even messaged him about it yesterday. The longer theymos doesn't act on these things the worse it gets. Assigning a mod probably takes a few clicks from him and the benefits would be self-evident with no further action required from him. You can even just promote an existing mod to there if there's an issue with adding new people (though we should probably do both). Three things can be done to help this situation which don't require much effort from theymos: Assign some dedicated mods to trash spam threads on sight and help clean up the place. Punishments for campaigns that are consistently paying spammers to churn out junk in there. Remove signatures from lower ranks completely and/or make a merit requirement to become a Junior. Ideally you wouldn't be able to have a signature until you've become a Member which requires ten merit. The forum is being over-populated with clueless kids who have little to no knowledge about bitcoin but are churning out nonsense just to get paid. This can't be acceptable. If you can't acquire ten merit then you shouldn't be able to earn here and these people should stick to claiming bounties until they can earn the merit. Signatures up to junior member of even to member have to be removed completely, and there have been other many good proposals that they will never be implemented or will take ages until they do.
Most of those suggestions are honestly very biased and would only work in the favor of the high ranked accounts. I don't think they're biased; they're logical. Newbies and Juniors who can barely speak English and know little to nothing about bitcoin shouldn't be able to get paid to post here. This is the campaign's fault for not doing their job properly so we need to force them to do this and removing signatures from lower ranks is the only way to do this. They barely have a signature anyway and it's pretty much useless to pay them for it, but ICOs don't care. They pay people in tokens they've created for free so they might as well pay as many people as they can because they still get their name out there even if it is minimal. The ICOs and the spammers they pay have ruined this forum and that needs to change. Remove signatures from lower ranks so bots and the worst of the worst can't get paid for writing crap or copy and pasting. Either prove your worth here by getting ten merit or purchase a Copper Membership if you want to be able to earn. Theymos has said that this forum isn't a welfare system for people but that's what it has sadly become. We need to find a compromise here and removing signatures from lower ranks and punishing ICOs that pay for rubbish are one of the only two ways I can think of that will tackle this effectively. This doesn't effect anybodies ability to post here - just earn, and that shouldn't be a right for everyone, especially those who aren't qualified to do so and also do it at the detriment of the forum. |
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Or Theymos should consider hiring new people to work on the development of bitcointalk with him. Also, Theymos has yet to explain us why he hasn't been hiring staff for the development of bitcointalk. Funding doesn't seems to be an issue here, Is 'trust' really the major factor behind not hiring people? Or is there something else which is preventing him for not working with people outside of his 'inner circle'.
Theymos mentioned somethings that are relevant recently here: Money is not a problem. If I could throw $100k at the problem and make it go away, I would do so. But in the real world, there is no magic wishing well where you can throw money and make things happen. You give people money and they don't do what you want, or the people you hire turn out not to be trustworthy
I acknowledge that the current situation is very bad, and we have some plans for fixing it. I hope to have manual account reviews going smoothly again before the end of the year at the latest. He did hire someone to develop the forum (Slickage I believe), but looks like they weren't up to the job in whatever capacity (maybe theymos can elaborate on what actually happened to them) and that's probably why theymos is now coding the forum. I don't think it would be a bad idea to actually try hire someone trusted and reputable with previous history to code the new forum so theymos can spend more time on the issues we currently have on this board, but maybe he just feels he's the best man to do the job and can at least trust himself to do what needs doing properly. That's a lot for one man to take on though and this board is suffering in the meantime with things like account recoveries not happening and other suggestions being put on the back-burner. |
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I don't think that domain is making an active effort to trick people into giving any kind of personal information. If you have evidence this site is trying to obtain some personal information via deception, you should post said evidence.
Bitcointalk.to appears to be a mirror of some sort, similar to the many other mirrors that are out there. Mirrors are useful in that they give people behind things like the GFW additional ways to access the forum, and its free flow of information.
+1 Just the fact that the captcha doesn't work in the login page kinda "proves" that phishing isn't the main focus of the website. In fact, maybe they don't even record logins (just don't try to login, maybe they do). Also, wasn't the forum changing every mention to https://bitcointalk.to to https://bitcointalk.org ? What changed? Maybe they're just trying to leech traffic for whatever reason. Their plan might be to sell it at some point or monetise it (is there any ads on that site?). I clicked on a mirror a while back and it had a pop up advert so that's one way they might choose to monetise mirroring this board. I don't think that domain is making an active effort to trick people into giving any kind of personal information. If you have evidence this site is trying to obtain some personal information via deception, you should post said evidence.
Bitcointalk.to appears to be a mirror of some sort, similar to the many other mirrors that are out there. Mirrors are useful in that they give people behind things like the GFW additional ways to access the forum, and its free flow of information.
Is it possible for bitcointalk.org to purchase the domain to avoid getting phished? Or it will costs a fortune if you will buy another domain just for this reason? This would be akin to paying ransoms. If you pay one then once people realise you cough up for such things others would then start doing it (or the same party does it again in the hope you'll keep paying them). If you purchased this domain, then people will just start using others like bitcointalk.ch, bitcointalk.jp and so on and then you have to keep buying them or buy all the possible similar domains you can as a preemptive measure and it just never ends. It would be much easier to just try police them as they pop up by filtering them out etc. Not perfect by any means but better than playing cat and mouse with unscrupulous individuals who are looking to extort you. |
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I have suggested this opinion of mine a long time ago but got ignored (maybe I'm not that popular since I'm not that fluent at English.)  . I have suggested that the admins must put a rank requirement in Announcement section. As we can see, most ICO ANN are being bumped by newbies and Jr. Members although there are some Members and up who are joining the SPAM SQUAD. I think putting a rank requirement in posting on that section will significantly reduce the spamming problems there. I should say a minimum rank of Member are the ones who can post there. Maybe some will say how will new members post their ICO projects there. The solution that I see is to purchase a Copper Membership in order for them to post there. How will Newbies and Jr. Members post on Announcement section? They must buy Copper Membership in order to post. In that way, there is a high chance that more members will purchase it and will add to the revenues of the forum. Just a suggestion. Most suggestions are ignored (or at least not commented on), so don't take it personally. Maybe theymos has taken them into consideration also, but he rarely comments on such things individually. What you're suggesting has been mentioned before, as well as similar suggestions. I've suggested ICOs have to pay a fee to list here and lower-ranked members don't bump ICO threads to the top. Theymos did address some of these suggestions if you look back to page 5. Well that would be the logical conclusion, but only theymos can initiate that. If it was going to happen then it likely would have already been done by now. Maybe he just doesn't trust anyone to do such things. With that being said, he did put my suggestion to create more admins or demi admins in the "OK in principle, would require thought/adjustment/implementation" category so hopefully that will happen at some point. Workload also needs to be spread out between other staff members as well to lighten the load on everyone. More patrollers should be added and mods assigned to sub boards like Bitcoin Discussion.
What kind of trust can we talk about when working on the forum, in reality you can trust only in yourself in the network, but as dozens of other moderators work there, it means that there is an opportunity to trust other people by placing some of their responsibility on them. I also do not think that assigning another person the task of restoring user profiles will somehow violate the overall security of the forum and affect its operation. Especially it is possible to give a probationary period, and to make sure that a person copes wonderfully or not. But until a person is appointed to this position, the problems of hacked accounts will not be solved for a long time. It would depend on what sort of responsibilities and access they are given. There is obviously some trust required to be a moderator here. You can delete people's posts and threads, so you need to be trusted to not abuse that. A Global mod can issue bans and needs to be trusted not to just ban people he doesn't like. An admin has access to a lot of private info that mods don't such as people's IPs, and they are also able to reset users accounts and they need to be trusted with that. An unscrupulous admin could just reset accounts to an email they controlled then use that account as they wished. Unlikely to happen but it could. They might abuse their position to check users IPs or for alts as well. Depending on what sort of access they were given they could do something like what happened when the forum was hacked and scrape everyone's details and password hashes etc, but I think theymos is the only one who has root access here and even cyrus has limited admin powers or not full ones like theymos does. I'm sure there's other reasons as well, so there does need to be quite a lot of trust placed in an admin, even a 'demi' admin with limited powers. |
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The merit requirements seem to be well thought out, and I don't think that there should be a requirement to rank up to junior. When i joined the forum, I asked a lot of questions that I now realise were stupid. Fortunately the members here were very patient with me, and I learnt a lot. I don't think that I deserved to reecive any merit during that period, but moving up to junior member was an encouragement. But what encouragement is it if you get it for largely doing nothing? It's like getting a trophy for merely participating. You just need to make 30 posts over three periods and bots can and are doing this. Many are even getting paid to bot and this is mostly why this is needed. What would truly be encouragement though would be them getting the one merit (or whatever the requirement is) to move up the rank. That really would feel like an achievement and like you have earned something here. We have merit requirements for every other rank so why not Junior as well? Doesn't make any sense to me to not have it. It makes even more sense because it's one thing that stops the worst of the worst and bots from getting paid and Campaigns can't be trusted to police this themselves. I believe that restricting signatures to members and above would be far more productive. The activity and merit requirements would discourage those that have joined to exploit the forum, and it would also provide the mods with with an impression of the character of the new member.
Well this is the more important issue and I would be fine with no merit requirement for Juniors if their signatures were removed as that's mostly the crux of the issue here, but ideally it would be both. I think nobody should be able to have a signature until Member and you still need at least one merit to become a Junior (bots can still be nuked then), but if I had to settle for their signatures being removed then I would. |
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How is this going to help when admins aren't looking into hacked accounts? Many people have signed messages from addresses that are still visible, but they're just not being restored and theymos' auto-system likely isn't going to help that either as I doubt it will take into consideration deleted posts, but even if it does what if somebody has another or an older address posted. Can they still claim the account back?
I hope it won't be based on a post but rather set in account profile without the option to update or remove it (except perhaps using a signed message from the old address although that opens some loopholes). At least that's how I'd do it. I'm not theymos in case you're wondering. I've suggested addresses in profiles be logged before so they can be used, but they're not currently so the people who have already lost their accounts won't be able to restore them this way. Regardless of whatever system theymos does implement I'm almost certain there's still going to be cases that need manually reviewing for numerous reasons.
How is this going to help when admins aren't looking into hacked accounts? Many people have signed messages from addresses that are still visible, but they're just not being restored and theymos' auto-system likely isn't going to help that either as I doubt it will take into consideration deleted posts, but even if it does what if somebody has another or an older address posted. Can they still claim the account back?
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If he has no time or desire, he may perhaps delegate this "power" to global moderators. I say maybe, because I do not know how this power works on the forum and I do not know if you can pass this skill or he needs to create a new rank with more powers than a global moderator. Well that would be the logical conclusion, but only theymos can initiate that. If it was going to happen then it likely would have already been done by now. Maybe he just doesn't trust anyone to do such things. With that being said, he did put my suggestion to create more admins or demi admins in the "OK in principle, would require thought/adjustment/implementation" category so hopefully that will happen at some point. Workload also needs to be spread out between other staff members as well to lighten the load on everyone. More patrollers should be added and mods assigned to sub boards like Bitcoin Discussion. |
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