For some reason this user necrobumped an ICO thread from three years ago: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=78261     milly6     January 17, 2013

Noticed he sent 50 merits to MilkandPie4U for this post (which also seems to be a bit of a necrobump): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1699708.msg40884406#msg40884406

He also received 5 merit from CryptoWiz420. And both MilkandPie4U and CryptoWiz420 sent merits to each other:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=543314     MilkandPie4U August 08, 2015
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=520497 CryptoWiz420 June 07, 2015


Merit summary for MilkandPie4U

Merit: 151
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    June 25, 2018, 07:39:09 PM: 8 to CryptoWiz420 for Re: ( [ANN] ) (PUNZ) - Making Crypto Great Again - Zerocoin Being Implemented
    June 25, 2018, 07:37:29 PM: 8 to CryptoWiz420 for Re: ( [ANN] ) (PUNZ) - Making Crypto Great Again - Zerocoin Being Implemented

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    June 25, 2018, 04:48:51 PM: 1 from CryptoWiz420 for Re: ( [ANN] ) (PUNZ) - Making Crypto Great Again - Zerocoin Being Implemented
    June 25, 2018, 03:08:39 PM: 50 from milly6 for Re: ( [ANN] ) (PUNZ) - Making Crypto Great Again - Zerocoin Being Implemented

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Merit: 516
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    June 27, 2018, 06:17:54 AM: 5 to milly6 for Re: [ANN] Cosmic - Space Simulation 3D - EEG Technology - MUSE - Brainwave Tech
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    June 25, 2018, 07:39:09 PM: 8 from MilkandPie4U for Re: ( [ANN] ) (PUNZ) - Making Crypto Great Again - Zerocoin Being Implemented
    June 25, 2018, 07:37:29 PM: 8 from MilkandPie4U for Re: ( [ANN] ) (PUNZ) - Making Crypto Great Again - Zerocoin Being Implemented

Everything is seemingly a low priority right now or gets put on the backburner. Nobody knows what theymos thinks most of the time because he rarely addresses things and as such we never know where he stands and don't know whether he agrees with something or is fundamentally against it. I'm sure he's aware that sources will need to be added to meet demand, but if he doesn't have time for most of the other things that need doing then he likely won't for this either (and in the grand scheme of things it probably is low priority but that doesn't mean it shouldn't get done). That's why I think powers and processes need to be delegated to those who can be trusted to use them wisely or efficiently. If theymos and cyrus are the only two people who can restore accounts, add merit sources, add mods, check IPs for farming and ban evasion (+ other things) and none of them are getting done at all then that's something that needs to be addressed otherwise the ship is just going to crumble and continue to sink.

No posts from me? Fail.

When was the last time a merit source got added? Given the list of things that aren't getting done right now I'm not sure how much of a priority this would be for theymos (though adding merit sources frequently needs to happen for the system to work). It might be better giving a few mods or Globals the ability to designate new sources, or maybe even putting users to a vote once they've requested to be made a source. There could be even a team of 'trusted' community members that have their say and if the majority agree they're either made a source by whoever is able to or the recommendation is passed on to theymos. I previosuly suggested a board for high-merited users (or reporters) before and maybe these things could be discussed in there.

This is irrelevant. Two wrongs don't make a right, but who's more in the wrong here? The people who expect to steal from the rich to give to the poor and get paid more money for doing nothing or the people who have earned their millions and don't want to give it all away to those who are too lazy or incapable of starting their own business.  Not everyone who has a business or a bit of money is part of the super rich or 1% either. There's not much difference between the lower and middle classes these days.


They're not slaves and no one is being robbed by being employed. People should start their own businesses or stop working for people if they're so against this. The same people who complain at the rich only do so because of envy and they want to be just like them and if they were they'd be doing the same thing and they certainly wouldn't want to be giving away their hard earned money. People need to stop blaming others for their own problems or lack of success.

Another two:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2280121    Emily_Davis     July 14, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2280248 Martha_Ferris July 14, 2018

Noticed this one posting in the same thread as above as well:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2276976     John_Muck     July 12, 2018

Has "Moderator to www.reddit.com/r/Lisk/ and aid to projects built within the Lisk Ecosystem." in his signature. Could be a coincidence and unrelated but quite uncanny.

Notcied some diffferent farmers whilst looking for more the above ones:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2289500     EfficientGrasshopper365     July 17, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2289447     EtherealBlaze612 July 17, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2289440     WealthAscent345         July 17, 2018,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2289439 CupidParkway003     July 17, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2289435     HyperFinish523     July 17, 2018,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2289503     IndependentExtend32     July 17, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2289495     HyperService08     July 17, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2289505     PirateMuscle20 July 17, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2289508 SamuraiBlender322     July 17, 2018

All shitposters posting one after the other. Don't seem to have logged on since.

I'm getting sick of hearing this bullshit excuse that merit makes the rich get richer. Do you know the only type of people who make this claim? The ones who are 100% only here to earn from posting. Ranks or merit do not effect your ability to post here, but they certainly effect your ability to maximise earnings via signature campaigns and this is what you're upset about. This forum was not created as a place to earn for posting; it was a place to discuss bitcoin but you're not interested in that if you couldn't get paid for it and that is the whole reason why the merit system was introduced in the first place.

15 out of your first 20 posts here are in threads that are in the trashcan. The rest are mostly all just generic one/two liners made only for payment. Merit isn't a system to keep the poor poor or the rich rich, it's to stop people like you signing up with 20 accounts per family member just to post a hollow one or two liner over each of their accounts and ranking up over time in the process. Now doing this will get you nowhere without contributing substantially and getting merits. In fact, I don't think the merit system goes far enough. I think to become a Junior Member you should have to earn something between 1-10 merits and that would really sort the wheat from the chaff (or the rich from the poor going by your logic) because people like you wouldn't be able to earn anything without getting merit and that is a good thing and would do wonders for this forum. This board is not a place to earn money for posting rubbish and it owes you nothing. We've been too lax for far too long and it has now been swamped by shitposters just looking to earn and they have ruined the forum in the process. You have just chosen to come here to earn and now you find that isn't as easy as whoever told you it was. Now you feel like you've had money swiped from your hand. You haven't. Make great contributions here and one day you will become of those people who you think are the 'wealthy elite'.


English might be an official language of the Philippines but I doubt it's your first language.

Context is king here. Your political views are unlikely to be censored and it was probably removed for some other infraction.


How do they pester people in poverty? Somehow I don't think you would be saying this if the tables were turned and you were one of the rich people being extorted out of their hard earned cash. People should stop expecting free handouts and go make themselves wealthy if that's what they truly desire. Wealthy people shouldn't be robbed just because they've been more financially successful than you. I believe taxes are a good thing if they benefit society as whole, but I think a flat tax where everybody pays the same would be a far better solution, but the rich shouldn't be robbed just because you want free money.

A better solution would be to crack down on the ICOs campaigns that are paying them to post rubbish in there. I've also been saying for years that that board needs at least one dedicated mod. I've messaged theymos about this probably 3-5 times over the past month or two alone. I managed to get a list of the top reporters in there from him about two months or so ago, but no action has been taken so far to implement one. In fact, I even messaged him about it yesterday. The longer theymos doesn't act on these things the worse it gets. Assigning a mod probably takes a few clicks from him and the benefits would be self-evident with no further action required from him. You can even just promote an existing mod to there if there's an issue with adding new people (though we should probably do both).

Three things can be done to help this situation which don't require much effort from theymos:

Assign some dedicated mods to trash spam threads on sight and help clean up the place.

Punishments for campaigns that are consistently paying spammers to churn out junk in there.

Remove signatures from lower ranks completely and/or make a merit requirement to become a Junior. Ideally you wouldn't be able to have a signature until you've become a Member which requires ten merit. The forum is being over-populated with clueless kids who have little to no knowledge about bitcoin but are churning out nonsense just to get paid. This can't be acceptable. If you can't acquire ten merit then you shouldn't be able to earn here and these people should stick to claiming bounties until they can earn the merit.


I don't think they're biased; they're logical. Newbies and Juniors who can barely speak English and know little to nothing about bitcoin shouldn't be able to get paid to post here. This is the campaign's fault for not doing their job properly so we need to force them to do this and removing signatures from lower ranks is the only way to do this. They barely have a signature anyway and it's pretty much useless to pay them for it, but ICOs don't care. They pay people in tokens they've created for free so they might as well pay as many people as they can because they still get their name out there even if it is minimal. The ICOs and the spammers they pay have ruined this forum and that needs to change. Remove signatures from lower ranks so bots and the worst of the worst can't get paid for writing crap or copy and pasting. Either prove your worth here by getting ten merit or purchase a Copper Membership if you want to be able to earn.

Theymos has said that this forum isn't a welfare system for people but that's what it has sadly become. We need to find a compromise here and removing signatures from lower ranks and punishing ICOs that pay for rubbish are one of the only two ways I can think of that will tackle this effectively. This doesn't effect anybodies ability to post here - just earn, and that shouldn't be a right for everyone, especially those who aren't qualified to do so and also do it at the detriment of the forum.

Theymos mentioned somethings that are relevant recently here:


He did hire someone to develop the forum (Slickage I believe), but looks like they weren't up to the job in whatever capacity (maybe theymos can elaborate on what actually happened to them) and that's probably why theymos is now coding the forum. I don't think it would be a bad idea to actually try hire someone trusted and reputable with previous history to code the new forum so theymos can spend more time on the issues we currently have on this board, but maybe he just feels he's the best man to do the job and can at least trust himself to do what needs doing properly. That's a lot for one man to take on though and this board is suffering in the meantime with things like account recoveries not happening and other suggestions being put on the back-burner. 

Maybe they're just trying to leech traffic for whatever reason. Their plan might be to sell it at some point or monetise it (is there any ads on that site?). I clicked on a mirror a while back and it had a pop up advert so that's one way they might choose to monetise mirroring this board.


This would be akin to paying ransoms. If you pay one then once people realise you cough up for such things others would then start doing it (or the same party does it again in the hope you'll keep paying them). If you purchased this domain, then people will just start using others like bitcointalk.ch, bitcointalk.jp and so on and then you have to keep buying them or buy all the possible similar domains you can as a preemptive measure and it just never ends.  It would be much easier to just try police them as they pop up by filtering them out etc. Not perfect by any means but better than playing cat and mouse with unscrupulous individuals who are looking to extort you.

Most suggestions are ignored (or at least not commented on), so don't take it personally. Maybe theymos has taken them into consideration also, but he rarely comments on such things individually. What you're suggesting has been mentioned before, as well as similar suggestions. I've suggested ICOs have to pay a fee to list here and lower-ranked members don't bump ICO threads to the top. Theymos did address some of these suggestions if you look back to page 5.


It would depend on what sort of responsibilities and access they are given. There is obviously some trust required to be a moderator here. You can delete people's posts and threads, so you need to be trusted to not abuse that. A Global mod can issue bans and needs to be trusted not to just ban people he doesn't like. An admin has access to a lot of private info that mods don't such as people's IPs, and they are also able to reset users accounts and they need to be trusted with that. An unscrupulous admin could just reset accounts to an email they controlled then use that account as they wished. Unlikely to happen but it could. They might abuse their position to check users IPs or for alts as well. Depending on what sort of access they were given they could do something like what happened when the forum was hacked and scrape everyone's details and password hashes etc, but I think theymos is the only one who has root access here and even cyrus has limited admin powers or not full ones like theymos does. I'm sure there's other reasons as well, so there does need to be quite a lot of trust placed in an admin, even a 'demi' admin with limited powers.

But what encouragement is it if you get it for largely doing nothing? It's like getting a trophy for merely participating. You just need to make 30 posts over three periods and bots can and are doing this. Many are even getting paid to bot and this is mostly why this is needed. What would truly be encouragement though would be them getting the one merit (or whatever the requirement is) to move up the rank. That really would feel like an achievement and like you have earned something here. We have merit requirements for every other rank so why not Junior as well? Doesn't make any sense to me to not have it. It makes even more sense because it's one thing that stops the worst of the worst and bots from getting paid and Campaigns can't be trusted to police this themselves.


Well this is the more important issue and I would be fine with no merit requirement for Juniors if their signatures were removed as that's mostly the crux of the issue here, but ideally it would be both. I think nobody should be able to have a signature until Member and you still need at least one merit to become a Junior (bots can still be nuked then), but if I had to settle for their signatures being removed then I would.

I've suggested addresses in profiles be logged before so they can be used, but they're not currently so the people who have already lost their accounts won't be able to restore them this way. Regardless of whatever system theymos does implement I'm almost certain there's still going to be cases that need manually reviewing for numerous reasons.


Well that would be the logical conclusion, but only theymos can initiate that. If it was going to happen then it likely would have already been done by now. Maybe he just doesn't trust anyone to do such things. With that being said, he did put my suggestion to create more admins or demi admins in the "OK in principle, would require thought/adjustment/implementation" category so hopefully that will happen at some point. Workload also needs to be spread out between other staff members as well to lighten the load on everyone. More patrollers should be added and mods assigned to sub boards like Bitcoin Discussion.

And do you know what's worse? Look at the users posts surrounding that. They all appear to be alts. In fact, look at the entire user accounts all on that page. Very likely some bumping bot service or a farmer. All registered around the same time and all have around 30 posts:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2270687 nmgfsdnfgwjio     July 10, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2300957     Totodecaan120     July 23, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2300305 JessicaMcDonnell     July 23, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2301076 Raphagalthena2     July 23, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2270652     dfwafgdge July 10, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2305050     Monica88Fowler July 25, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2274921 2287aidaduo     July 12, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2300227     Elizabeth4Mitchell July 23, 2018,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2224096 Weaver_Scir June 20, 2018,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2294919 Dopedealer    July 20, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2300683     Edgarroni     July 23, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2300321     Amber73McCoy July 23, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2274719     hdueuieo123 July 12, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2301013 Thuocbacnauvit009 July 23, 2018,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2294762     Niggasdonttalktome     July 20, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2300245 HeatherAdams00     July 23, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2300250 Danielreynolds0 July 23, 2018,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2274921     2287aidaduo July 12, 2018

Next page more of the same:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2292483     deadcomeback July 19, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2300378     MadisonWood1212 July 23, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2274774     ndhdiwo234 July 12, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2301107     Cidolfusorlandeau July 23, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2268505     gergfghfh     July 09, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2270670     njklhwioa     July 10, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2300271     Courtneyhardy89     July 23, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2274787     hdueueiw432     July 12, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2300556 michellebson2     July 23, 2018,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2300530 GemmaYoung757     July 23, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2288220     iwuwi12ueiei212     July 17, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2300870     kosaymoive333     July 23, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2285987     hungtrajamd12j33     July 16, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2270700     nsmdgw July 10, 2018,
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2300897 thithoikochoi123     July 23, 2018
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2275066     haruharu732     July 12, 2018

All except one all use one of three email address domains as well: supercoinmail.com mailschain.com & foundationbay.com

I would say that they all belong to the same user (except probably the guy with the sole different email).

I'm sure there's many more on the other pages but I can't be bothered wasting my time with them as almost certainly nothing will be done about them sadly.



Just another user who knows very little about bitcoin but has come here to earn so just posts childish rubbish.

Lolwut? You got a source there? Newbies do buy accounts. Do you think it's just old timers that do? If newbies come here to earn and they realise they can buy an account then many of them do. Some people will just be told to buy an account straight away rather than wasting time trying to get merit and activity.


This isn't relevant to anything. This forum essentially sanctions the sale of accounts, so newbies will think it's fine and ok to buy one. Their sale might even go through ok (assuming they don't get scammed), then hours or days later their account is taken back.


How is this going to help when admins aren't looking into hacked accounts? Many people have signed messages from addresses that are still visible, but they're just not being restored and theymos' auto-system likely isn't going to help that either as I doubt it will take into consideration deleted posts, but even if it does what if somebody has another or an older address posted. Can they still claim the account back?


People should, but nobody is invincible or watertight with their security. The forum was hacked. Who's fault was that? Shit happens sometimes and anyone can slip up somewhere, doesn't mean they should just be left to languish in limbo for eternity.

Some gems in the thread How safe is Bitcoin?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4555802.msg41037342#msg41037342


Does mytherwallet accept bitcoin? 


Too bad the entire thing seems to be a copy and paste: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/8vb82s/how_safe_is_bitcoin/

Unless that reddit guy copied him.

Cases should be taken on a case by case basis, but there should be few exceptions. I suspect this user just used that as a desperate excuse to try get out of the ban, but is this just a one off? Usually copy and pasters don't just do the one and have copied multiple posts and make a habit of it. When I used to search for them and I found one I'd try find another because if you find two or three cases then they don't really have a leg to stand on and if you can find another or more examples then this excuse would become less believable. People should really make sure they're quoting people properly in the first place though, but I fail to see how this was a misquote. If it was surely there would be some original material in there?


Maybe that's something we should do but only theymos can implement that. He has himself suggested signature bans/blacklists so hopefully they will happen whether on this forum or the new one. If people can redeem themselves by posting then I'm all for giving them a second change, but most will probably just abandon the account if they had to wait a year I reckon. Maybe make a handful of post in the meantime then try their luck after the sig ban duration expires.


But you can see his error there. I don't see the error in the other.

Well there's not much you can do to enforce this. I wouldn't really be against people having to hire someone trusted or experienced to run campaigns, but then that becomes an issue of who gets to be trusted especially if you never allow new people. Existing campaign managers would then have a monopoly over running them. How do you decide who gets to run them or not as well? Rank? People could then just buy an account. Zapo is a new campaign manager and he's a rarity in that he actually does what he's supposed to and doesn't accept shitposters and those without merit. Should he not be able to run campaigns because he hasn't had any previous experience even though he's doing a better job than some of the current 'experienced' managers here? What happens if you're a new company but have a trusted member of staff who is prepared to run them efficiently but they would still be a newbie here? Should we be forcing them to hire someone just because they don't have a high rank or activity? I would rather just let people run campaigns, but if they clearly don't know what they're doing then they should be warned and then face punishments if appropriate. That to me seems the most sensible way to tackle it, but the problem is the issue isn't being tackled at all right now and anyone can run a campaign as bad as they want with absolutely no repercussions at all and that's something that needs to change.

It's rare that theymos actually commits a deadline or time-frame to such things and this is probably why. I've asked him a couple of times over the years for a rough estimate of when the forum will be ready and never received a response. I would still like to know if it's something that will or won't be out this year, or even a 'maybe' or 'no' to next year, but again, he'd probably rather just not commit to saying something if he can help it because people will just hold him to it if that time passes. Would be nice to get a rough percentage of how finished it is from him though.

Still, I would much rather him spend his time on either coding the forum or implementing some of the other things that will benefit this forum and make it a better place rather than just adding some superficial badges.


How did he ask you by mistake? The forum could do with some extra mods or patrollers at least and if someone has reported thousands upon of thousands of posts then they will likely be beneficial to the forum (unless theymos knows something about them that I don't). All you can do is keep reporting and maybe one day you will become a chosen one.

Or just severely increase account scams when sellers just take their accounts back after they've sold them. Most newbies won't be aware that they can be reclaimed in such a way and falling victim to this will become rife (unless theymos has though of a way to stop this). I still think we should allow users to purchase the bigger signatures via donating for Silver and Gold Membership etc. This would essentially kill the account sales market and account scams with it so it's win win for everyone and the forum gets the money instead of some account farmer or scammer. Users don't get scammed, the forum gets the money and users can have the bigger signature which is what they wanted in the fist place.

I also wonder what will happen to those users who can't sign a message posted here because the hacker deleted it but the address can still be found archived online or on one of the bitcointalk mirrors etc. There's also the issue of those who don't have a bitcoin address but can sign one from an alt coin wallet. I'm going to assume theymos' auto-recovery system will be bitcoin only?