Ok, boys, let's not eat each other. I think it fair to say that Gioriomassa's update was disheartening, at best, but then again the scuttlebut from the few that have gotten tracking or at least communication appears that they are at least making an effort. Stupid is better than criminal. I think.

At any rate, were it me, I'd lay back a little for the rest of the week to see what they do, meanwhile contacting lawyers etc. to explore my options in case they don't make it whole.

I agree that the "extra production line in parallel " is a pretty egregious breach of contract, but I do see a positive in it after they get the units out. They ain't gonna disassemble that line, so it'll speed things up in a few days. Or should. Of course what they should have done is just stuck with the queue AND expanded their production lines.

The first few pictures certainly look like they made a nice machine, and I sincerely hope y'all get them in short order, even though all this hashpower is gonna screw me!

Ah well, the days of the small timer are probably over anyway.

I think this qualifies as the quote of the week.

I switched back to Eligius for the time being. You had set it to diff 64, and as near as I could tell it made little difference. I'll try again once I get my Antminers. Then I can afford to lose a bit playing around.

I here you. Was never my intent to screw anybody over. Might try Ebay' there seems to be a premium on miners there. Mine until ya sell it, then buy an Ant.

I've wondered the same thing since the deal went down. I was pretty neutral right from the beginning. I did jump a guy for yelling "scam" without any evidence, but he was yelling that in every thread regardless of merit. That's the only thing I can figure.

In my personal dealings with AMT, they were quite nice on the phone (well, Jim was, I never spoke with anyone else), but they got rather personal on the forum. That's unacceptable in my book, and I said so.

Then one day they say they picked me to get a miner and review it. I was blindsided, and no one in their right mind is gonna turn down free hashpower, so I took the deal. I've been up front about the whole thing. Why me, I don't know.

The box it arrived in was sealed with duct tape and random pieces of styrofoam, but well secured. It was a few days later than they said, but I figured I wasn't a high priority, given the nature of the deal. Later I find out that most other people who had PAID didn't get their miners or got them very late. I like the machine, but I feel used.

Oh well, live and learn I suppose.

Onward. Has ANYONE reading this got a tracking number on the Coincraft based miners? Even the low end ones?

True enough. IRL, most people who know me think it's weird that I build computers without "proper" casing, but it seems most bitcoiners are on the same page. I'm not used to being the "sane" actor

Of course. That was why I mentioned the cost. I was paid, in essence, whereas Stan-o pretty much got shafted by the delays. I'm not proud of that, nor saying it to rub things in. Just for full disclosure. I try to be very honest in everything I do. Had they followed through on their various promises, I would try to pimp this company. As it is, I have to recommend against them. Dammit.

I never took it apart. Other than having to figure out the mining interface (which is straightforward for the most part), the thing just worked. It did ship without a power cable (which he told me in an email), but that was the only thing missing. I assume that it has the proper cables, as it has never given me a problem.

And yeah, I know about the antminers. They are likely my next purchase. But for the true beginner, at the above conditions, this would've been a good way to get your feet wet. The ants have everything sitting out in the open, which I can see a newbie killing either the machine or hisself that way

Funny, at the time these were announced, I didn't think Bitmain would be able to deliver, let alone become the "go to" company in bitcoin mining. My powers of prediction are not great.

Given that you can get an Ant within a week, I can't see any reason to invest in AMT at this time. I had really hoped they would get it together, be able to ship "in hand" units after the first round of pre-orders, and give Bitmain some serious competition. AMT has the better tech, if they got their shit wired. But 55nm today is better than 28nm "someday soon".

Also, when you contact Bitmain about anything, you get a quick response. Sometimes the use of english is a bit difficult, but they don't leave you waiting.

I stand by the machine. I like it, it works good, and it's quiet. I can't stand by the company, whatever my desire.

Stan-o, I have the same unit as you, and other than the bad board, about the same experience (except costs, as they gave it to me to review). All I would add to that was that I left mine as configured, and haven't had any issues with heat. Well, I do run it without the cover. I think at half the price and half the delivery time, it'd still be worth buying, but I don't see those conditions coming to pass.

If you actually get the machine, I think you will. Can't prove it, of course, but I suspect when the Gox thing gets resolved, the price will go way up. I've watched bitcoin for a couple years now, and it always seems to rally to about 150 percent of it's last high after a dive like this, then settle back down to a new, higher floor. It stayed stable at about 800 for quite a while, then tanked on the Gox fiasco. My prediction, for what it's worth, is the next "peak" will be around 1500. If I sell any in the next few weeks it'll just be to make ends meet. Mine and hold!

p.s. got your forwards.

Sorry, Jim and AMT, but this is unacceptable. You've asked me to be objective, and here's the objective tl:dr. I love the machine. But there should be hundreds of them out there, not a few. Your customer services is beyond abysmal. I cannot in good conscience endorse this company, even though they've been good to me personally.

The pool appears to be fine. It's just the stats page again. I'm connected and hashing away.

No. In order to make a Return On Investment, it actually has to exist and be hashing.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325710.0

The abuse of the term ROI is one of my pet peeves in this forum. Only in the Bitcoin world is it ever used to mean breakeven.

Noted, but the coin flows even when the stats page is playing with itself. And it improves a bit every time, it seems. It does get annoying, but I keep coming back. Can't be that bad, apparently.

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There were more rejects than I ever get at Eligius, but not anywhere near 50 percent.

Also, even after switching over to the "set" 64 diff, the website continually showed 10-40 GH/s lower than what I was getting from CGminer. I'm used to about 2-3 percent variance, and it's on both sides of 80.

At least at present, it appears that your service is incompatible with the Technobit HEX16B module.

Well, I tried an alt-coin switching pool (tompool) and made less than half. Once again Eligius wins out.

While all the stuff about the payout system is interesting, it has been my real world experience that I make more coin here, even setting a 1 percent donation as automatic. I'll probably still play around some as I go, but at least for bitcoin, Eligius is by far the best pool I've tried. Second was BTCguild, and I make more here.

Well, that was a failed experiment. Nearly a full day mining to get .006 BTC, where I would have gotten around .012 on Eligius. Back I go.

Well said! This place can be hard on new guys. OTOH, there's some really interesting people here.

On topic, I never used Gox cuz I got involved in BTC about the time they started unravelling. I am a new guy, and I saw this coming a while back.

There is one upside though. When it all shakes out, bitcoin should rocket up a ways again. Ok, two. I'm pretty sure that even if they get it sorted, Gox is done.

District of Columbia?

You need the skin of a goat, a couple live chickens, and some pufferfish powder.

Select a victim from one of the lower echelons, so they won't be misse....

Oh, wait. That's to make zombies.

Or you could just PM asiabtc like it says about 400 times in the last few pages...

...or has the biggest gun...