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2701  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to restrain yourself at a small loss and not spend money. on: November 16, 2019, 06:42:32 PM
If a person lose his money at first try so it means thae he need to take break and think about to recover lose but keep one thing in mind this try should only be to recover your lose not to become greedy player who want to make money only. As much as possible gamblers should enjoy gambling than putting stress of winning on their mind and lose the remaining money as well so just control before its too late.

if you loss on first try then why try again on the second try ? if not then try again on the third try  . if you still not hit it , that is the time to take a break to unwind but not to think about your losses   .  its hard to not get greedy while you are trying to get back what you loss  . if your unlucky  , you will end up lossing more . 

Some people are doing the "second" and "third" try with double risk in order to quickly break even, that's catastrophic and it'll make it harder to stop later on.

This is like committing suicide because they would definitely have not recovered with first loss and playing more with double money means much risk now of losing the higher money and also coming back on road if they have lost huge money already in gambling.

That's the beginning of disaster when you start to think recovering your losses in the past .. in the first try ...

There's bigger chance for you to busted everything instead recover everything. It's hard to leave once you've get in gambling... it's hard to refuse to continue playing after you have lost even small amount of money only , not sure if you can handle the emotions, the desire in gambling people mostly lured by the quick profit process but ignored the high risk behind it.
2702  Economy / Economics / Re: BEEN IN THIS GAME FOR 6 YEARS on: November 16, 2019, 06:02:27 PM
Everyone is wise after the event

But in 2017 there were enough people even here, on the forum, who had been fooled and dizzied by the exponential rise of Bitcoin's price. Actually, most of the forum went off their rocker back in the day. It was no use trying to explain to all these people that the crash was sort of inevitable as they were extremely aggressive toward anyone who had been ever so slightly cautious and suspicious about so insane a rise. You would read things like "millions of dollars sitting in the orderbooks waiting to buy Bitcoin if there is a small correction". These dollars then quickly disappeared provided they had been there at all
People still expecting fortune from bitcoin volatility, they are waiting for the price to skyrocketing reaching the limits without knowing there's a bubble potential to burst ... indeed very classic , it's won't end well for them who has this simply dangerous  thoughts

People will always be expecting that

The same thing (or shit if you like) will happen time and again. It is just in human nature to "hope for something out of nothing". There is a special word in Russian to describe just that - "xaлявa", which can't be properly translated into English without losing the whole meaning it conveys, especially the strong negative connotation it has (the English rendering "freebie" doesn't cut it at all since it lacks this extremely contemptuous undertone). So most, if not all, people have it in them, and unless they are aware of it and can control it consciously, the process is bound to repeat itself over and over again. But that's an opportunity for us if we are able to ride it and profit from it
At the end of the day where they realized things far from the expectation, they can't afford to lose more ...

They would start crying like ' bitcoin is a biggest scam!' ' I lost thousands dollar in it within a month! ' and bla bla bla... a never ending frustrated stories caused by careless uneducated newcomers , that kind people are lack of responsibility and greedy at once, a perfect formula to make a mess with your life.
Bitcoin is high risk investment, people shouldn't put the money that they can afford to lose , it hurts to losing them I've experienced it.
2703  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Buy now Bitcoin today on: November 16, 2019, 02:52:10 PM
Steady your analysis, and it's time to buy Bitcoins, I think the Bitcoin price movement will soon begin. I estimate the Bitcoin price increase this time will be higher than December 2017 Just wait.

based on what ?
did u have some trustable source about it ?
or that just your own speculation ? and what behind that your own speculation ? , because u know , i am kinda curious about it.
u know , i am just read many many article, and mostly said , even of halving btc on may 2020 , the price speculation just about 16-20k .
When someone makes a prediction like that I would like to see as well the basis for that analysis, but the longer you see those predictions regardless if you do it in this forum or other places they have the same thing in common, there is nothing to sustain those predictions and without that you cannot take it seriously, and with the price below 8500 and a very low volume I find it difficult to believe we could end the year above 10000 let alone a new ATH.
Eventhough you have predicted two times three times multiple times correctly about the next market move ... it doesn't change the fact that bitcoin is decentralized which means the movement would always wild in the long run , you might proudly says I ' i told you with these technical analysis, with these patterns, with these theories... things i explained few weeks ago is happening now ' , it works but temporarily.

As you can see we are heading to have a death cross signal recently in the last few days bitcoin price continues to get dropped after the sudden surge two weeks ago.
2704  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA EURO 2020 Discussion Thread | Current Phase: Qualifying on: November 16, 2019, 02:08:24 PM
The odds payout on Austria to win the match against North Macedonia in full time is quite attractive, I think Austria will surely want to qualify for the main tournament as early as possible, and since Austria is playing this match against North Macedonia in front of their home fans, I believe Austria will be able to beat North Macedonia relatively easily today.

They should win relatively easy but I don't like the games where favorite doesn't need the win. Austria needs to get 1 point from next two games to qualify. They can even qualify if they lose both games and other results go in a right way. And next game is Latvia away so lots of room for calculations and poor performances.
That's how the odds built! Based on the complicated statistics and confusing us in the end  Grin .

Just don't forget north Macedonia successfully eat Slovenia last month surprisingly, will they makes another surprising result against Austria tonight? If they managed to win over Austria ( I know this is unlikely happened )... Austria and the other two teams Israel & Slovenia would still have the same chance to get the last ticket to EURO 2020! This could be an interesting scenario as the those three Austria, Israel and Slovenia have the same 11 point .
It's a mission impossible but hey thi is football right everything could changed 180° .
2705  Economy / Economics / Re: Paypal Drops Pornhub Support, Pornhub Is Now Exploring Cryptocurrency Options on: November 15, 2019, 06:30:43 PM
Paypal Drops Pornhub Support, Pornhub Is Now Exploring Cryptocurrency Options

Pornhub said two years ago that they are building a platform to accept wide range of cryptocurrencies. What is strange s that it take them this long.

They did partnered with puma pay last year in December as their crypto currency payment option right ? Am I missing something here?

I heard XVG verge also have partnered with pornhub since early 2018....
I'm not a big fan of that kind platform but I think there's already cryptocurrency-based adult entertainment platforms like xotika if I'm not mistaken of the site names.
It's the perfect match between cryptocurrency and porn to be in close proximity ... people wants privacy.... and cryptocurrency give it out for you. But still this industry lack of interest...
2706  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA EURO 2020 Discussion Thread | Current Phase: Qualifying on: November 15, 2019, 05:27:18 PM
Surprise surprise surprise! I think everyone expecting a goal fest in this match like over 4.5 goals or so.

Moldova often conceded more than 3 goals statistically and it's against france makes people confidently bet for over 3.5 goals even more ... unfortunately it was bookies day as I believe they have got so much profit in the pocket right now!
However if only there's no penalty and or giroud failed to score that goal , those people who placed bet draw for this match would get a huge odds... it was @37 for the draw!   Shocked , under 3.5 goals itself @2.75 damn this match must be making a lot of people frustrated especially those who loves betting on low odds!
That's true dude, I make a bet for over 3.5 goals and LOST! sometimes reality is not as beautiful as our predictions. but I don't understand that with France in the first meeting they could win 4-1 at Moldova, but when France plays at home they can only win 2-1. very different from the England match.

Bookies always one step ahead of us , so you need to think against your desires and seeing things in bookies perspectives.

That's how I make money though.  You'll feel cheated with that result isn't it? It's often so confusing.... with all those statistics you shouldn't have lost it but hey that's gambling, that's how sports betting works, they fools you Grin .
I've seen the worse... when you lose on an odds @1.01 , france nearly did it to us .
Anyways... it's Norway live now leading 2-0 against faroe islands in the first 8 minutes , what a start!
Aaaand Finland leading 1-0 too against Lichtenstein, I guess three more goals will be scored and sealed their spot on the second below italy, 1 ticket for Finland to euro 2020 congratulations!
2707  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA EURO 2020 Discussion Thread | Current Phase: Qualifying on: November 15, 2019, 02:11:37 PM
Nothing interesting today. Again some one-sided games with too low odds and other games are hard to predict. I'm betting only on BiH - Italy Both teams to score.
Both teams are under no pressure. Italy has first place guaranteed, Bosnia is out. But they will have a full stadium of supporters behind them so they will try to score one for the fans. Pjanić is back after missing previous game because of a red card.

France had a shock last night. They needed one contentious goal and one easy penalty to win,,, and we are talking about Moldova too. But still, this is the hallmark of great teams, who can play badly against a defensive opponent and find a way to get 3 points.

My prediction for tonight is based on your assessment. Italy will have no pressure, so they will play happily and win easily. But Bosnia playing for pride will still score one too, so BTTS seems good.
Surprise surprise surprise! I think everyone expecting a goal fest in this match like over 4.5 goals or so.

Moldova often conceded more than 3 goals statistically and it's against france makes people confidently bet for over 3.5 goals even more ... unfortunately it was bookies day as I believe they have got so much profit in the pocket right now!
However if only there's no penalty and or giroud failed to score that goal , those people who placed bet draw for this match would get a huge odds... it was @37 for the draw!   Shocked , under 3.5 goals itself @2.75 damn this match must be making a lot of people frustrated especially those who loves betting on low odds!
2708  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will the price of Bitcoin rise by the end of this year on current time? on: November 15, 2019, 01:40:52 PM
It's better if you stick with your own prediction, if you rely on others you might not grow here as an investor or as a trader.
Experts are not saying the same thing, they have different prediction so its' necessary to make our own study. 

read about the news on bitcoin and that will help you understand its fundamentals, and if you purpose is to start trading then read some trading techniques as well, I just want to be frank with you, there's a lot of scammers here but you will be safe if you will fed yourself with relevant information and aim for growth in crypto.
Still you need a lot of references... I call it naive if you only consider your own analysis.

You don't need to take every single opinions around here too seriously but watching them making an argument with different perspectives would grow you up on understanding the market in many angles.
In the end bitcoin will always move unexpectedly... that's what you should anticipated. Don't get too excited, bitcoin not always make you good , it could destroy you . Keep it in mind.
2709  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: November 14, 2019, 12:58:02 PM
Anything is possible but the chances of Liverpool remaining unbeaten all season? Only Arsenal did it in the Premier League and that was in 2003/04 season. They won 26 and drew 12 games. Their 49 match unbeaten Premier League run ended when Manchester United beat them and then started the Arsenal decline. They won 3 FA Cups before Wenger departed and never won the Premier League again.

It is far too early to pick a winner but if recent history shows one thing it is clear Manchester City are not out of it yet and judging by the fantastic football Chelsea are playing it makes them challengers too. Just one defeat for Liverpool and a win for the chasing pack will put pressure on Liverpool. It will be great to see the Premier League matches after returning from the international break.


That was super hard record to break ...

I'd say once in 100 years especially in a very competitive league like English premier league, there's also transfer window ahead opened where everybody could improve .. buying players and get back up for the rest of 19/20 season, leicester chelsea Manchester city arsenal Manchester united and Tottenham ( (Grin ) wouldn't let liverpool comfortable at the top.
This gonna be a worth journey betting against liverpool.. I'm sure about this.
2710  Economy / Economics / Re: BEEN IN THIS GAME FOR 6 YEARS on: November 14, 2019, 11:37:28 AM
Anyone who had been in the cryptocurrencies for a while when that price surge happen knew that something was up and would soon crash since the support had been stretched thin through the next ATH after another breaking the previous ones

Everyone is wise after the event

But in 2017 there were enough people even here, on the forum, who had been fooled and dizzied by the exponential rise of Bitcoin's price. Actually, most of the forum went off their rocker back in the day. It was no use trying to explain to all these people that the crash was sort of inevitable as they were extremely aggressive toward anyone who had been ever so slightly cautious and suspicious about so insane a rise. You would read things like "millions of dollars sitting in the orderbooks waiting to buy Bitcoin if there is a small correction". These dollars then quickly disappeared provided they had been there at all
People still expecting fortune from bitcoin volatility, they are waiting for the price to skyrocketing reaching the limits without knowing there's a bubble potential to burst ... indeed very classic , it's won't end well for them who has this simply dangerous  thoughts.

This high risk investment game requires high self awareness ...
You can always take a lot of benefits from this , I did it and so far so good. Been 8 years though for me watching the charts. Grin
2711  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: November 14, 2019, 08:54:11 AM




<Snip>

Before the end of 2019:

Liverpool are playing 7 PL games for 21 points
Chelsea and Manchester City are playing 8 PL games for 24 points

There is a long way to go. The title race is less than 1/3 complete and the different between 1st place and 4th place is just 9 points. The difference between 1st place and joint 2nd/3rd is just 8 just points.

2002 : liverpool finish 2nd ... 'one more step'
2003 : liverpool 5th
2009 : liverpool finish 2nd ... 'one more step'
2010 : liverpool 7th
2014 : liverpool finish 2nd ... 'one more step'
2015 : liverpool 6th
2019 : liverpool finish 2nd ... 'one more step'
2020 : still waiting liverpool to fall ... Grin

No more big matches for liverpool in 2019... they will only face mediocre teams and bottom teams , I will be happy to bet against liverpool with high odds on the opponent team , sooner or later I have a strong guts... they will lost during this unbeaten campaign.
2712  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitgoin is going to moon 1.5.2021 it will hit 236K on: November 14, 2019, 06:19:05 AM
Jesus Christ, OP, what are you smoking? 

Bitcoin will probably end this year at around $9k or perhaps right where it is now, which is $8700.  I don't expect much movement between now and Dec. 31st.  Next year I'm hoping trading on Bakkt heats up and that bitcoin starts up another bull run, but hopefully not as irrational and crazy as was the case in 2017.

"Hoping" is the key word, because I'm usually wrong with my price predictions and who knows what's going to happen.  I could even be totally wrong about the end of year price, but if I am I hope I erred too low.  Got my fingers crossed for a better year in 2020.
And a little bit drop is expected during the Christmas vibes as usual ..

I wouldn't expect much for the price of bitcoin itself in the coming weeks to surge .. I'm more to expecting more correction and stay in the range of $7,5k to $10k at tops.
Everyone waiting for the halving day and now is the moment where investors take a break to go allin later when the day is near to come.
This 236k speculation is simply baseless delusional for now.
2713  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA EURO 2020 Discussion Thread | Current Phase: Qualifying on: November 14, 2019, 05:12:15 AM
I think there's a victim already ... pulisic is pulled out from USA squad due hip injury , he didn't even play yet for USA.

and now race to the recovery for upcoming chelsea match against Manchester city on 24th at Etihad. Everyone did feel not exciting with the international break unless it's a big event like world cup or the euro cup itself (not the qualifier one).
We have England , Portugal, France and Turkey all play at home ... thinking about making them a parlay? I won't suggest it, clearly it's a trap Grin
I also heard Pulisic suffered a hip injury while playing for Chelsea against Crystal Palace. but I'm sure the injury isn't too bad, I think it's just a club's decision to rest him and not play for his country lol, it seems like Pulisic is prepared for the next match when Chelsea faces Man City lol
It's always tricky you know in that kind situations  Grin .

Not sure if it was planned before to makes pulisic looks injured in the last club match so he get pulled out from the two USA international matches just to focus play for Chelsea... I'm not really sure though as USA has a very important match against Canada to make sure qualify for the next phase of concacaf nations league . Pulisic won't do that.
Anyways... speaking important match Turkey is eyeing Iceland to seal the euro 2020 ticket, a winning is a must otherwise they have to fight until the end of the fixture, they are leading on the table now above france.
Instead Turkey will win it , I bet the match will just ended draw.
2714  Economy / Economics / Re: Would you use FB's Libra? on: November 13, 2019, 11:25:04 AM
Facebook already has a market place, so I don't see any reasons why people don't use it. Even more enticing for the marketers and buyers if Facebook will use it and put a special discounts and freebies when purchasing using the Libra coin during the first phase of their distribution process.

Although Libra coin is a stable coin, but it's still a good introduction for the millions of people who has yet to engaged in cryptocurrency.
Yeah it's something like inevitable... you will use it anyway.

There might a lot of confusion at the first day libra used widely as a mainstream digital currency , those people who know nothing about the digital money would feel amazed on how things could get done quickly and easily wondering why this thing didn't exist since long time ago etc.
While the cryptocurrency enthusiast like us worrying about how that kind centralized digital currency could destroy the dream of cryptocurrency space to free people from government slavery, banking slavery while actually you can standalone... managing your own money.
2715  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Never possible earn free bitcoin without work. on: November 13, 2019, 10:16:37 AM
At first please tell me when you put your effort and skills in some task and then gain something, in this case bitcoins in exchange of that work, how can you call them free?
When you have to get some work done, I think it doesn't matter whether you get bitcoin or usd as a result cause finally you can exchange that currency into btc.
As you say, there is a lot of potential in bitcoin trading, yeah, if you exactly know when to buy and sell but that's not easy. You have to remember that you profit because someone loses and trading also depends on luck at some point.
Second and fourth suggestions are just bullshit, if anyone wastes time on that, then good luck.
Haha There's a lot of wrong logic over there , even when you get free bitcoin from faucet... it's basically not free but you are exchanging your time for such low amount earnings.

Everything start from zero , I personally starts my bitcoin journey from both faucet and ptc sites ... let it be , people will learn about that after they experienced how not worth ptc and faucet it is.
Then they will wondering what else could gives you much more bitcoin and continue improving...
Try trading, become ad publisher paid in bitcoin and many more! Nothing is free if you look with a lot of perspectives.
2716  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Longest Break You Have On Not Gambling on: November 13, 2019, 06:11:31 AM
But if you are addicted to gambling, a week without in the set is a little bit frustrating but for me who've never been in gambling all the time, it is gonna be fine even it reaches to 1-month break. It is all about how we manage ourselves self and to have a break in gambling it doesn't mean that we are about to quit soon but it just how to avoid being addicted to it.

Well, I consider my self far from being addicted or habitual but I usually visited the gambling sites not to put my bets but just to enhance my learning and get some updates. I don't think if it was a break but it sounds like that...cause I'd never spend money for this time.
Due the addictive nature just like cigarette addiction.. people would become anxious when they stop doing that.

Even when you have no money in your pocket you'll force yourself to push the limit even borrowing money here and there , that moment is the starting point your life gonna be fucked up for sure.
Not sure if people could really avoid the gambling addiction by taking some breaks, it's proven didn't work out unless if you have some replacement of your gambling habit which it takes long time to realize it all.
2717  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why is BTC now ~$8,780? Simple... on: November 13, 2019, 04:58:22 AM
Why are people so surprised with current price range? It's the level the price was few weeks ago. Or does everyone really think once the price starts to rise there is no coming back? I always wonder if only Bitcoin users are so naive and under educated or every other investors in other types of investment ( like gold and stock exchange) are the same?
OP is just trying to correlating the mining process.. rewards to the current price mathematically.

While there's no way to do it technically, we are in the free market where things turned out non fixed pattern, the price will always move in unpredictable pattern due none of us has the power to fixed it at certain point.
That's what makes bitcoin beautiful, it's completely a form of freedom where we are not under anybody's control unlike stocks market and any other centralized financial market.
2718  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA EURO 2020 Discussion Thread | Current Phase: Qualifying on: November 13, 2019, 04:24:57 AM
Here we go again with shitty National games. 2 weeks without our loved League and Champion's League.
Anyway this is the last time and we have some good odds for some teams.
The team already qualified could use new and younger players to test them so keep an eye on already qualificated teams.

I really hate this International breaks. Last time when we had break we had Salah with his ankle injury and we had to settle for a draw with Utd. These breaks make the players unfocused and there we have tiredness as well.
I think there's a victim already ... pulisic is pulled out from USA squad due hip injury , he didn't even play yet for USA.

and now race to the recovery for upcoming chelsea match against Manchester city on 24th at Etihad. Everyone did feel not exciting with the international break unless it's a big event like world cup or the euro cup itself (not the qualifier one).
We have England , Portugal, France and Turkey all play at home ... thinking about making them a parlay? I won't suggest it, clearly it's a trap Grin
2719  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is it worth for me in my situation to start btc trading? on: November 12, 2019, 11:47:36 AM
to start trading with minimum capital is not a problem but an understanding of bitcoin in the market you must know very well and try to find information and opinions both from the experienced, freedom in bitcoin or cryptocurrency do not you waste it without good results and if you want to start now is the right time to buy bitcoin and according to good news, bitcoin will reach fantastic prices for the next few months.
Getting opinions from others is wrong in cryptocurrency and to some extent in commodities and stocks. Because the market is manipulated by shills and brain dead shitcoin promoters. They will post their bullshit propaganda everywhere so they can dump their coins by creating a demand among those who are foolish enough to listen to them.

Most people should learn how to do TA if they are going for bitcoin day trading and analyse charts for a long term holding.

Financial markets trading is something (a job) that fully your own responsible indeed , it's not advisable to encourage other people to do exactly what the other people saying... but taking it as a consideration might be just fine right?
One thing that people should do is to not letting your main job go and just switched it to become a full time trader, op situation is looking for opportunity to switch in trading and completely quit the main job which I personally wouldn't recommend to do it at all.

Unless if you have a strong desire since day one and a principle to not regretting any decisions that has been made in the future, ready, accepting and fully aware about the big risk being a full time trader ... then that moment it's up to you .
2720  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin demand in economically volatile countries surges on: November 12, 2019, 10:49:15 AM
So it's not always have a good fairytale story that whenever certain country under crazy inflation... and then bitcoin or any cryptocurrency become their safe haven. That's wrong thought.
Crypto is too risky of a bet indeed. It could work out extremely well, but then you need the luck to have invested in or right before a longer term bull market where prices go up.

If you bought crypto in 2018 thinking it would help you counter the inflation rate of your country, you would have lost far more purchasing, plus you actually lost in units too because cashing out at a loss means you get less units back.

People in these situations aren't speculators, they need stability which can be found in the USD, which generally is the preferred store of value tool even though people here see it differently.
That's the wrong perception that most newcomers think about how bitcoin could help you out of the crisis.

You might find it as a safe haven if you do it in the short term only , that's why the demand surges ... it won't last forever. you need to find other alternatives as soon as possible other than bitcoin... you could choose stable coins but still it's not recommended at all due its controversies hasn't been answered yet.
A big bet of course for those who choose bitcoin as their part of escape plan . Overall you are stepping in to a bigger risk once you do this especially when it's involved a huge amount of money.
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