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2701  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: When would you start spending/selling your bitcoins? on: January 29, 2012, 03:13:12 PM
I will spend mine if I have no other currency on my hands to spend.
2702  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Convince me that the bitcoin elite cannot become the next Rothschild family on: January 29, 2012, 03:02:35 PM
As Hazek has already pointed out, the power of the Rothschilds etc. DEPENDS heavily on the centrally controlled monetary system. ...

No they donīt! Especially the Rothschilds do not! They have sperad their wealth very widely. Let all money get worthless, but they are still pretty well off. Let gold or diamonds get worthless, they care less than you do.
Like them or not, its a winning strategy.

Riiiiiight, is that why they say this?:
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"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild
2703  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Convince me that the bitcoin elite cannot become the next Rothschild family on: January 29, 2012, 03:01:09 PM
My Point is: History prooves you wrong, wherever you take a closer look.

The history is irrelevant.

We had oh so many huge wars in our history and yet, we know today, after the atomic bomb, we are not going to have another world war ever again, because if we are, it's going to be the last one. Technology changed used forever on that issue. Once every place on earth has a few nuclear missiles to defend themselves meaning a deterrent, who the fk is going to attack anyone anymore?

Same goes for individuals. Your body strength and physic used to be pivotal for you to able to defend yourself against one stronger or multiple attackers. More and more sophisticated weapons have eliminated that requirement. And as these weapons become cheaper and cheaper and more available they'll pose the same deterrent functionality as nuclear weapons do on the national scale. Once every single person has a gun and a machine gun, who's going to try and and kill anyone? I know! Only crazy people and suiciders, which is far less violence than we have today and there will be no more state, no more oppression, no more coercion.

History is irrelevant because technology we'll introduce such strong deterrents that using violence will guarantee death for the perpetrator and no one will use violence anymore.
2704  Economy / Speculation / Re: Block Reward changing to 25 BTC in November-December 2012 on: January 29, 2012, 02:40:35 PM
A deflationary currency encourages too much saving, and an inflationary currency encourages too much debt/spending.

I'm fascinated how people so easily make bullshit bogus statements like this probably merely repeating something they heard or read somewhere from someone else. How the fk do you know what a deflationary currency encourages? Did you do an experiment to confirm your hypothesis? And if not, why the pretense this is a fact of reality. Pisses me off. Angry

In the history of this planet we haven't had a deflationary currency. And I'm referring to the currency supply deflation not the aftereffect of price deflation. Even fking gold is inflationary. And you little fart want to pretend and make statements of how the reality really works and what kind of currency would be best??!
2705  Economy / Speculation / Re: Block Reward changing to 25 BTC in November-December 2012 on: January 29, 2012, 02:15:46 PM
Bitcoin's decimal expansion is effectively inflationary. That inflation is limited by the number of decimals it can be expanded to, which is currently 8. The system itself does not determine the extent of decimal expansion; that results from market forces. As Bitcoin gains wider adoption its value will rise, prices will fall, and the decimal will periodically be moved to the next point.

Precisely, except under this type of an inflationary system ALL the savers benefit, while under a fiat currency central bank's inflation those who get the new money first(government, government contractors, big banks and big crops) benefit and the small savers get punished. This is THE problem humanity has today.
2706  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Convince me that the bitcoin elite cannot become the next Rothschild family on: January 28, 2012, 06:58:11 PM
... Without the state they would execute their will with whatever other means are available.
Very very true, plus they needed surely less money to spend on that effort.

It is pointless to blame the state for its lack of power. This is in certain situations rather a feature than a bug. That is were democracy can be told apart from dictatorship. It is even more pointless to blame politicians for being diplomatic. As that is the highest compliment an elder statesman can get. The number of "Mohandas Karamchand Gandhis" in this part of the multivers is rather small. Plus even him might have done something evil which just dropped beyond awareness.

Such a childish worldview..

If there wasn't any power to be auctioned off there would not be any auctions to be held.

You forget that without the state, a mafia run by thugs with guns is just that, a gang of thugs with guns. Now people like yourself are brainwashed into believing that the state somehow has a higher legitimacy, they are brainwashed into believing that laws are more than merely these mafia's says so as an excuse to plunder and kidnap people and they are brainwashed into believing they somehow need these thugs with guns for protection because of the possibility of facing the exact same type of crimes that they are guaranteed to face under their rule.

When it's clear to everyone that it's just a mafia run by thugs with guns, people would put an end to them rather quickly. So no. I don't believe that if there was no state rich people could force their will on the rest of us in another manner because people would see straight through it and resist.

If that is in any shape directed to me. You've got me seriously confused with someone else....

I guess I misunderstood your post. I thought you were making excuses for why the state is powerless with regards to preventing corporatism.
2707  Economy / Marketplace / Re: ICBIT - New Exchange (testing!) on: January 28, 2012, 06:47:19 PM
And you can verify your books by getting a reputable 3rd party auditor to audit your figures and verify them for us to see
Who would pay for this, you?

I'm sorry, but that's a part of the cost of running an honest business.

But consider this. You'd have the very first exchange with this type of almost complete transparency. I'm highly confident you'd get a pretty big share of the market very fast and could cover these costs in no time.
2708  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Convince me that the bitcoin elite cannot become the next Rothschild family on: January 28, 2012, 06:38:02 PM
... Without the state they would execute their will with whatever other means are available.
Very very true, plus they needed surely less money to spend on that effort.

It is pointless to blame the state for its lack of power. This is in certain situations rather a feature than a bug. That is were democracy can be told apart from dictatorship. It is even more pointless to blame politicians for being diplomatic. As that is the highest compliment an elder statesman can get. The number of "Mohandas Karamchand Gandhis" in this part of the multivers is rather small. Plus even him might have done something evil which just dropped beyond awareness.

Such a childish worldview..

If there wasn't any power to be auctioned off there would not be any auctions to be held.

You forget that without the state, a mafia run by thugs with guns is just that, a gang of thugs with guns. Now people like yourself are brainwashed into believing that the state somehow has a higher legitimacy, they are brainwashed into believing that laws are more than merely these mafia's says so as an excuse to plunder and kidnap people and they are brainwashed into believing they somehow need these thugs with guns for protection because of the possibility of facing the exact same type of crimes that they are guaranteed to face under their rule.

When it's clear to everyone that it's just a mafia run by thugs with guns, people would put an end to them rather quickly. So no. I don't believe that if there was no state rich people could force their will on the rest of us in another manner because people would see straight through it and resist.
2709  Economy / Marketplace / Re: ICBIT - New Exchange (testing!) on: January 28, 2012, 06:13:16 PM
-show us your entire profit history: Not good idea, because right now I could show you off tens of thousands of US dollars already spent on the project, and noone would be able to check if that's real or not except me and my partners on this project.
-show us the entire costs of running your business: Not a very good idea, because costs vary a lot. E.g. as for hosting costs, they are available everywhere, and right now ICBIT occupies a few dedicated and some VPS servers. When the load increases, we are going to upgrade servers which experience high load, and also scale horizontally (as the architecture allows this). As for other costs, no reason to tell because noone would be able to check if they are real or not.

You need to rethink your positions on these two points because out of all the points I listed these two speak the most to your credibility. If you show you actually made a sizable commitment of your own capital people will have more reasons to trust you and support you. And you can verify your books by getting a reputable 3rd party auditor to audit your figures and verify them for us to see. Same goes for your profits. If we, the users, can see that your business is doing good, that your digging yourself out of the investment hole and have all the incentives to keep your business running (why kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, right?) we will have even more confidence in your business and your credibility.

My point is if you do your best to be as transparent as your security allows it, it can only benefit your reputation and your client base and ultimately your success.
2710  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Convince me that the bitcoin elite cannot become the next Rothschild family on: January 28, 2012, 05:50:02 PM
What could they possibly gain?
2711  Economy / Marketplace / Re: ICBIT - New Exchange (testing!) on: January 28, 2012, 04:59:36 PM
Hey Fireball, I want to give you the same suggestion as I gave to cryptoxchange:

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Well it would seem like you have all the bases covered when comparing to mtgox and other exchanges yet there's one area that everyone ignores or doesn't think is relevant that could significantly set you apart from everyone else and that's TRANSPARENCY.

Have a transparency page that shows:
-how many users are signed up
-how many of them active in the last 1/7/30 days
-how much fiat is deposited
-how much btc is deposited
-show volume of new deposits for 1/7/30 days periods
-show volume of new withdrawals for 1/7/30 days periods
-show all orders, all of them, none of the dark bs
-show us your entire profit history
-show us the entire costs of running your business
-show us everything, be as transparent as you can without it becoming a security risk


Then you'll really set yourself apart from the rest.
2712  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Silk Roads down? or is it my computer? on: January 28, 2012, 04:19:55 PM
http://gawker.com/5879924/now-you-can-buy-guns-on-the-online-underground-marketplace
2713  Economy / Speculation / Re: $/BTC Time Series Analysis on: January 28, 2012, 03:46:52 PM
Seems to me this picture is a bit bearish short term judging by the resistance curve's slope
2714  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Silk Roads down? or is it my computer? on: January 28, 2012, 02:40:56 PM
from Mr. SR himself:
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UPDATE: everything appears as it should on our end.  A traffic spike (most likely from gawker) caused the outage.  we'll take a closer look at what happened and hopefully devise a solution in case this happens again.  Thanks everyone for your patience.

UPDATE:  we are back online.  there may be intermittent outages in the immediate future as we look at the cause of the outage.  Please allow at least a few hours for the system to catch up in regards to processing deposits, vendor rankings, etc.

UPDATE:  all server data is intact, all backups are up-to-date, and all bitcoins are accounted for.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

hey gang,
sorry for the sudden outage.  just found out about it and am looking into it.  I'll keep this thread updated with any developments.  sorry for the trouble.
2715  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Convince me that the bitcoin elite cannot become the next Rothschild family on: January 28, 2012, 12:51:44 PM
Are you just another hypocrite?

No. You first need understand how those banking moguls came about and what enabled their plundering. And if you ask the right questions you'll learn that the fact is that without government regulations, a centrally planed monetary system by the central bank and without legislated fractional reserve lending and FDIC insured baking they would have never ever gotten what they have.

With bitcoin it can't be centrally planed, no one controls it and the rules under which it was born virtually can't be changed.

To answer your question, no, we're most definitely not just another hypocrite.
2716  Other / Off-topic / Re: Inside Job (movie) on: January 28, 2012, 12:47:15 PM
Maybe your personal experience differs from mine?

It's irrelevant when it comes to facts. And fact is, we haven't had a free market.
2717  Other / Off-topic / Re: Inside Job (movie) on: January 28, 2012, 05:33:00 AM
Q: What is the difference between someone who believes in the power of capitalism or the "free market" to be fair and good and any other Religious zealot?

A: Nothing

Having the government regulate the market, protecting big corporations from competition and the central bank run a centralized monetary policy favoring the government contractors and the super rich financial corporations and having banks blow up bubbles with fractional reserve banking while being "too big to fail" and FDIC insured is not the free market you stupid imbecile.

The world hasn't had a true pure capitalism yet. And the closest we got ended in 1913 with the FED. Ever since then the world has nothing else but socialism, corporatism and some version of fascism even to this very day. If you don't know this, you have no idea about the reality of the situation.
2718  Other / Off-topic / Re: Inside Job (movie) on: January 27, 2012, 10:26:22 PM
I recommend skipping this controlled opposite propaganda BS movie.

The movie only pretends to really reveal the true cause of this mess we're in but ignores the most crucial players - FED + government regulations - and, and this is the worse part, they present a non/false solution.


If you want to know what really happened just watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgMclXX5msc

EDIT: oh wait, I already said this in this thread. Oh well, I guess it can't hurt repeating myself  Grin
2719  Economy / Economics / Re: How Big is Silk Road on: January 27, 2012, 10:23:02 PM
God damn Gawker at it again.  Roll Eyes

http://gawker.com/5879924/now-you-can-buy-guns-on-the-online-underground-marketplace

No wonder SR went down in the middle of me checking out what's new..  Cheesy
2720  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Crypto X Change - What would YOU the community like to see and join us???? on: January 27, 2012, 05:49:46 PM
There are certain things business's can show and provide and other things are for the management to know not the public.

Says who? It's your business isn't it? I can't see how keeping your books as open and as transparent as possible would be something you "can't" disclose and would hurt you in any way unless you are running a bad/shady business of course.

You were asking for suggestions! Transparency is one key area you could really truly set yourselves apart from the rest of the field and I bet you'd get at least 15% of mtgox's traffic in a heartbeat if you followed my advice. Personally I'm there only because of the liquidity but I downright despise their transparency policies and am just yearning for an exchange that wouldn't try to hide anything and I know I'm not the only one.

So please do strongly consider this, it can only do you good.
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