EXCELLENT!!!!!!
EDIT: How much did it cost to produce the videos? And what was your motive for doing them?
Haha! Glad you like them!! I think his ultimate motivation is to get Richard Branson to offer him a trip into space! ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) LOL. No really, he just loves making comedy videos for fun, he loves Bitcoin, and he was soooo tired of saying the same things over & over again to everyone he met ("No, Bitcoin is NOT a Ponzi scheme!") that he finally realized that there had to be some real comedy gold here. He's always believed that the funniest things are "real life situations", so he just put together a bunch of things that he found himself saying over & over & over again… and threw in some bonus crazy stuff as well. He hoped that if he has been saying these things constantly, then others would hopefully be able to relate to it as well. (He also likes to poke fun at himself with self-deprecating humor… you can see that he doesn't really take himself too seriously, because he's basically making fun of himself.) Sorry for the long-winded answer… I will ask him his motivation and get you a more concise answer later! ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) It cost him about $4,000 to create the videos (professional videographer, professional editing, food on set, location costs, all those Bitcoin t-shirts in every scene!!!!, the Bitcoin sign, etc.). So if anybody is feeling generous, please donate bitcoins to him! ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Although he will probably kill me for posting his expenses publicly on the forum. ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) If you would have posted an address, I would have accused you of pulling a Wales (think Wikipedia and intentional accident, if not up to speed). BTW, what's your bitcoin address in case I get generous while reading the rest of this nice thread? Also, if possible, what state are you located in, albeit I'm pretty sure I could dig it up? I'm in Illinois, and would love to meet up with this dude.
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More then "drug" you may need some serious treatment mate! ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) No offence but come on "giorgiotheclown" is the most childish pseudonym I ever heard! How old are you? 11, 12? A little boy frustrated against BITMINE because you spent all you BTC on a pre-order and still waiting? Try to do something more constructive with your life instead of spending all your days insulting who's behind BITMINE. At least, Giorgio tried and will succeed!And you know this how? Name: CCV.IO Posts: 5 Activity: 4 Position: Newbie Date Registered: March 12, 2014, 11:36:45 AM Last Active: Today at 05:26:19 PM Are you the same Phinnaeus Gage that stopped criticise BLF after you received a "gift" from Josh ? ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Yes, and donated all the money to charity.
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I have 237 in the queue if they do 20-30 units per day, then I would have to get a miner after 8-12 days from the start of production. But for more than 70 days delay. I think they are doing no more than 2-3 units per day.
AMT also claimed to be doing 15-20 per day last week, probably outta the same facility.
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FrictionlessCoin
How are you making progress with a refund??? I have asked and received nothing.
There are accounts at AMT where you'll get responses. But they aren't the accounts listed on the site ( usually) I usually get a response when I e-mail jbrown@advancedminers.comI usually get a response within a day or two. Whether these responses are legit are one thing, but at least they are responses. Sometimes it takes e-mailing them twice to get the attention. I throw in how I'm not looking at legal action currently and don't want to have to go down that road and that it is is there responsibility to keep their customer base informed on issues they are having. He's not gone into detail with me over the problems. The firmware issue is reasonable, the chips arriving at the end of January obviously changes and shifts their whole timeline. They being understaffed, allegedly by their own word, would cause a hold up in production. Now these could easily be lies. but they could also be legit issues for a start up who is opening in quickly paced bleeding edge technology. Some times people think they are supermen and are unwilling to back down from the idea that they can get it all done. Sometimes it's out of hubris, some times it's out of shame. I don't think the book is closed on these guys yet, but the wrong move (which I've seen done by a few companies is marketing new products when you are having issues fulfilling your current orders. I got the same message from AMT about firmware problems. However, I purchased my units on the belief that they would ship by February. We are in the middle of March. I have no intention of waiting, so I am requesting a refund. AMT may be honestly trying to build their business, unfortunately it is a very difficult business. Bitmine, HashFast, ButterflyLabs are all late. Cointerra is delivering but they were also late. AMT didn't mention any filmware issues when they penned the following: 5. WE ARE ROUNDING UP OTHER FORUM MEMBERS, THEY WILL COME TO OUR BUILD SHOP AND HELP US ASSEMBLE FASTER - THIS WILL ENSURE THAT OUR LEGITIMACY IS FACILITATED IN STONE ON THIS THREAD. NO OTHER MANUFACTURER HAS DONE THIS BECAUSE OF SECURITY REASONS - BUT AGAIN WE'LL TAKE MORE RISKS AND SHOW THIS THREAD AND THIS COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE BUILT, CURRENTLY BUILD, AND ARE NOW USING THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO BUILD - BITCOIN MINERS. So, BFL hired 80 people off the street to work in their KC facility, but wouldn't hire nary a Bitcoiner for security reasons, eh. That done even begin to make sense. BTW, I personally know of one Bitcoiner that does indeed work at BFL since Q3 of 2013, but have told nobody who it is. In fact, we talk every now and then over the phone, but never discuss BFL's affair. Just friendly banter.
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FrictionlessCoin
How are you making progress with a refund??? I have asked and received nothing.
He's working on it. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos1.blogger.com%2Fx%2Fblogger%2F8016%2F1579%2F1600%2F712631%2Fewok%2520ugly2.jpg&t=665&c=NF6XqbDTkY-luQ) "Please Josh, give me my refund. I've played nice on your thread."
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Nobody wants to see AMT customers get screwed. I want to see AMT get screwed for the way they talk to people and the lies about shipping. Too many people sat here defending AMT for no good reason over the last few months, so sorry if your feelings got hurt because AMT turned out to be bastards.
+1 I want to see AMT either MAKE THINGS RIGHT or PROSECUTED TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW. You did not even place an order with AMT? What then is your beef? Man... you are just a jerk. Read back, I've already stated numerous times why I am here. My friend and I went in together on Miners from AMT. He isn't active in this thread and I'm speaking on OUR behalf. We have been trying to get a refund from AMT the past month. I'm not going to share personal order information or names here. The way AMT operates, they would just use this information against us: especially since I have been so OUTSPOKEN on their lack of professionalism.That's all you need to know. You don't like what I have to say? Ignore me. I don't give a shit. I'm glad I don't have to deal with folks like you in real life. GET LOST! The dislike goes both ways pal. I would be hard pressed not to fuck-you-up in real life. AMT already dug up my dead Daddy-O's obit of which I'm the one that pen it. They're also are the ones that mentioned FrictionlessCoin's real name, Carlos. They also mentioned another bitcoiner by name, with apologies for not linking the proof. AMT is a total scam operation that is now dead in the water given that them lying fucks can't ever keep their last promise of providing a forum, now five days late. Name: AMT_miners Posts: 221 Activity: 168 Position: Full Member Date Registered: September 29, 2013, 03:48:09 AM Last Active: March 11, 2014, 12:13:51 PM
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Ok... making progress with a refund from AMT.
Now they are claiming that I should be paid in the amount of BTC I used in the original purchase.
Not going to happen. I will be taking USD or the BTC equivalent.
Wish me luck about receiving a refund!
REMEMBER WHEN I SAID THEY MIGHT TRY TO DO THIS, AND YOU CALLED ME A RETARD? Read back and you'll see where I said they might try to refund people in BTC value later once BTC took a dive. WHOS THE FUCKING RETARD NOW, ASSHOLE? You are the retard... you are spending your time in this thread for no reason. You haven't placed an order with AMT. What are you here for? You should just get lost. Meanwhile, you'll use mine, among others, research to try to claw back your money from AMT. The very people you want outta here, are the very people that supplied as much informations about them lying fucks as possible. You are one classic piece of shit, Carlos. Why don't you go back and play with your alt coins, prick?
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I am not mocking anyone, but I can understand you're embarrassed for dishing out over $12,000 to a company like AMT.
We don't want others to go through this same shit. You can agree with that, can't you?
You don't have any skin in the game here. I suggest you leave the thread. You also have no evidence that AMT is running a scam. They could be just plain incompetent. If I were AMT, I would take you to court. I'm having a very difficult time hunting down your post where you stated that you are order 961 and 962. I did find the following, of which proves that you only had one order, otherwise you would have taken the opportunity to express such given the circumstances at the time. Order #962 was sold by me to bitcoin user tonyca
Hey Guys,
Quick update, chips arrived today and will go to full surface mount and assembly on Tuesday. Hoping to get the first AMT1.2's shipped by Friday.
More to come...
Could you at least tell us how many chips you got so we can at least figure out how many rigs you can build and ship quickly? Also, is another batch of chips coming? I can tell you that we've received a lot. And enough to make it to your order and than some for sure. We also have 12 assemblers located at our CM 8am to 4pm. Each of which has experience in building electronic components and devices that pass UL certification and ISO standards. The average build time per build team (2 assemblers each team) was clocked at 2.5 hrs per build. This includes wiring, assembly, modular install, initial testing, and packing. So if they are working 8 hrs a day, 5 days a week, how many miners can we build in 1 day? How many in 1 week? and How many in 1 month? Can you give a rough estimate then on which batch numbers will get their AMT 1.2 THs miners this February? Not looking for exact precision. I am at order #962, will I get it this month? Yes Carlos, You will receive your miner this month. If things stay on track, your miner will ship in the third week of the month. Any chance I can get a discount since I've been very supportive of your efforts? I see how the game is played now. Hey, Jewish Bulgarian Freemasons, the following two pics depict a Lithuanian mouth and a Hispanic mouth. I think you chose the wrong one. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcurezone.com%2Fupload%2F_O_P_Forums%2FPeeling_Lips%2FIMG_1546.jpg&t=665&c=eNe1sHYeh9078Q)
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Time to wake up and smell the bullshit. AMT brought this upon themselves, and now you just want everyone to 'be nice'. Not going to happen.
There is still a small, but fast-closing window, for AMT to start acting like a respectable business and tell us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but and then to work with us to find a solution of some kind. If there is any saving AMT, they need to tell us everything, right now. I don't care what the truth is, I just want to know and I want them to stop lying, stop hiding. Tell us that they really are a bunch of b-school dropouts who thought that starting a bitcoin mining machine manufacturer would be just as easy as creating a web site, and now they really are sorry that they realize their mistake; tell us that they are sorry about lying about having already shipped, when in fact not a single unit has been built and shipped by AMT; tell us that they were horribly wrong and now are in way over their heads; apologize for being defensive and non-responsive, and mean it; tell us customers, who have essentially funded their company, exactly what the product designs exist, what testing results are, what problems need to be overcome; and with us customers, develop a realistic plan to delivery something soon, OR give up, sell off assets, and refund on a pro rata basis as much as possible but in any case involve us in the decision since its our money they wasted. I am not saying all that is true, only that the real truth can't be much worse than that. While not everyone might be so generous, I am willing to be "nice" if I know that AMT is working with us and being upfront, giving us everything now that it is clear they cannot delivery as promised. The more I hear nothing from AMT, the more I am convinced that documents are being shredded and assets hidden while we wait and that makes me want to act quickly. And to AMT: you know my name, go ahead and google me. Ask yourself if you really want someone with my resources chasing you to the ends of the earth. If AMT doesn't speak up soon, I won't care about my investment (doubled as I tried to help AMT out) I will be a lot more interested in seeing someone go to jail. Your decision Josh or whomever you are. Please make the right decision. I've already got the ball rolling on this. The only times I have received responses is by threats of legal action, once I acknowledge their bank knows them, they were happy and excited that someone was willing to vouch for them, however they were upset I was playing detective and calling the neighboring businesses. I will not vouch for them until I have my working miner in hand that was promised to me over a month ago. If I don't get my money/miner will I be upset? sure. Will it kill me? no. But AMT wants to scam me, I will do everything in my legal capacity to make sure someone pays for trying to screw me over and I don't care if I have to shell out more money to make that happen. Not to diss you, bud, but I find it odd that a bank would state who is or isn't their customer via simply asking. Now, if you had a check in hand depicting their account number, the only info they should be able to answer is if there's enough funds in the account to satisfy the check. NOTHING more. Not even correcting the spelling of a name if you had to spell it out to them. I, for one, would close my account at any bank if I learnt that a stranger was able to walk up to the counter, or via phone, and ask if I had an account with them. That is a very valuable piece of information regardless if the answer is yes or no. Again, not a diss toward you, bud, with apologies.
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let's just say you aren't doing any better than myself so why don't you shut your mouth.
Josh with AMT emailed me again today and said that my check is in the mail... here we go again.
Well, maybe it is in the mail! I'm doing better than you, I've unloaded 1/2 of my AMT investment. Now I'm asking for the remaining check to be in the mail. Hopefully, I get my check before you do! ;-) BTW... I had to go through this once with Cointerra. They hesitated a bit, but eventually delivered without issue. Yes, check in the mail. Let's see if AMT is on the up-and-up here. Either way they are obligated to issue refunds. This 'dig up another buyer, than have AMT facilitate the transfer of the order" is complete bullshit. After this mess, it should only take 1 email to AMT stating "I want a refund" and they must comply. Otherwise, time to sick a lawyer on them. I'm not here to "root for AMT". If they fail and fuck all of the investors over : it won't be due to my comments, or anyone elses' in this thread. Why are you on this thread? I don't see your name in the AMT orders list? Are you just here to mock at the misery of others? I am not mocking anyone, but I can understand you're embarrassed for dishing out over $12,000 to a company like AMT. We don't want others to go through this same shit. You can agree with that, can't you? +1
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let's just say you aren't doing any better than myself so why don't you shut your mouth.
Josh with AMT emailed me again today and said that my check is in the mail... here we go again.
Well, maybe it is in the mail! I'm doing better than you, I've unloaded 1/2 of my AMT investment. Now I'm asking for the remaining check to be in the mail. Hopefully, I get my check before you do! ;-) BTW... I had to go through this once with Cointerra. They hesitated a bit, but eventually delivered without issue. Yes, check in the mail. Let's see if AMT is on the up-and-up here. you mean you fucked somebody else? congrats on douche bag of the day award. Thank him by tipping him with iXcoin.
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Antminer S1 ordered from Bitmaintech on Monday. Its is currently on the UPS truck, on its way to me. UPS guy is taking his sweet time with it.
From China to California, in the span of a week. how hard is it? easy if you actually have a working product........
Damn hard if this is the first time you've done this. Still damn hard even if it is the * 4th time you've done this (ask ButterflyLabs). I really don't know why these miner manufacturers even bother to get into the business. FTFY Fourth? You mean they had 4 different product lines and all of them delayed? Well, dahhhhhh! Want to guess who was the person that dug up about 85% of the facts that related to BFL and SV?
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Josh and Alyson said they issued me a refund back on the 4th. As usual this has turned out to be another AMT lie. It does not take 10 days to get from PA to NC. If you folks still believe in AMT you are assholes and deserve everything you have coming to you. I wish I never heard of AMT. Everything that comes out of their mouths is a lie - its crazy.
So you are telling us that we are assholes because we bought from AMT? That we deserve to be punished for doing so? If you are to vent your anger, do it against AMT and not the poor customers here. Why don't you vent some anger towards AMT? Oh wait, you are too busy trying to reassure some poor sap here about AMT delivering so you can unload your pre-orders and get out while you still can. I think the responsible thing to do at this point is: 1> Wait until you receive your miner THEN sell it 2> Take legal action But I don't expect you to heed my advice. You obviously have no issue with unloading your "miners" to some unsuspecting fool. These same miners that no one can prove actually exist yet. Guess I can't blame you for trying to sell them before you have them in hand, as they lose value every passing day now. You folks have your priorities all wrong. The highest priority it to get as much BTC that we can get for our investment. Trying to prove that you are right, or that AMT is incompetent or a scam does not improve anyone's probability of success. The only options we have left are (with probabilities of success) and (upside). (1) Ask and demand a refund (35%) (0%). (2) Sell your miner pre-order to someone else (70%) (-5%). (3) Wait till you get your miner and sell it (30%) (10%). (4) Go to small claims court to extract a refund (80%) (-5%). (5) Wait for the miner and hope to mine enough BTC to ROI (15%) (-30%) wasting time criticizing AMT... smearing AMT... comparing AMT with other better option. (0% probability of success) (0% upside). That's why I think folks like sirminesalot, clenell, losia are all a bunch of losers because they don't take actions that lead to profit, just a lot of hot air. let's just say you aren't doing any better than myself so why don't you shut your mouth. Josh with AMT emailed me again today and said that my check is in the mail... here we go again. Two bitcoiners, a Jewish Bulgarian Freemasons and a Czechoslovakian, had spent the past several months studying the majestic grizzly bear. Each day since their passion was aroused, they petitioned their respective governments to allow them to go to Yellowstone to study these wondrous beasts. Finally, their request was granted and they immediately flew to New York and then on west to Yellowstone, first stopping in Philly to grab a snack. They reported to the local ranger station and were told that it was the grizzly mating season and it was much too dangerous to go out and study the animals. They pleaded that this was their only chance, for they had to get back to Switzerland and man their bitcoin mining farm. Finally the ranger relented. The Jewish Bulgarian Freemasons and the Czech were given cell phones and told to report in each and every day. For several days they called in, and then nothing was heard from the two bitcoiners. The rangers mounted a search party and found the bitcoiners' camp completely ravaged. No sign of the missing recidivist knuckleheads. They then followed the trail of a male and a female bear. They found the female and decided they must kill the animal to find out if she had eaten the bitcoiners because they feared an international incident on the Bitcointalk community forum. They killed the female and cut open the bear's stomach... only to find the remains of the Jewish Bulgarian Freemasons. One ranger turned to the other and said, "You know what this means, don't you?" "Of course," the other ranger nodded. "The Czech is in the male."
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Time to wake up and smell the bullshit. AMT brought this upon themselves, and now you just want everyone to 'be nice'. Not going to happen.
There is still a small, but fast-closing window, for AMT to start acting like a respectable business and tell us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but and then to work with us to find a solution of some kind. If there is any saving AMT, they need to tell us everything, right now. I don't care what the truth is, I just want to know and I want them to stop lying, stop hiding. Tell us that they really are a bunch of b-school dropouts who thought that starting a bitcoin mining machine manufacturer would be just as easy as creating a web site, and now they really are sorry that they realize their mistake; tell us that they are sorry about lying about having already shipped, when in fact not a single unit has been built and shipped by AMT; tell us that they were horribly wrong and now are in way over their heads; apologize for being defensive and non-responsive, and mean it; tell us customers, who have essentially funded their company, exactly what the product designs exist, what testing results are, what problems need to be overcome; and with us customers, develop a realistic plan to delivery something soon, OR give up, sell off assets, and refund on a pro rata basis as much as possible but in any case involve us in the decision since its our money they wasted. I am not saying all that is true, only that the real truth can't be much worse than that. While not everyone might be so generous, I am willing to be "nice" if I know that AMT is working with us and being upfront, giving us everything now that it is clear they cannot delivery as promised. The more I hear nothing from AMT, the more I am convinced that documents are being shredded and assets hidden while we wait and that makes me want to act quickly. And to AMT: you know my name, go ahead and google me. Ask yourself if you really want someone with my resources chasing you to the ends of the earth. If AMT doesn't speak up soon, I won't care about my investment (doubled as I tried to help AMT out) I will be a lot more interested in seeing someone go to jail. Your decision Josh or whomever you are. Please make the right decision. +1 Can someone ping Bitmine.ch and Technobit for detailed contact information about AMT. They signed contracts with these manufacturers, I think they have full details to assist on legal matters. You mean that Czech, Georgio, Joshua Zipkin's butt buddy? BTW, he's MIA also.
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Frictionlesscoin: You're pathetic. I hope everyone else can get their issues resolved, but you - I hope they take your money and run. You are an asshole and contribute nothing to this thread. Since day 1 you've been here trying to pawn off your investments. That screams that you have no confidence in AMT anymore. Why the fuck should we shut up so you can spread your 'positive thoughts' so some poor unsuspecting fool buys your order?
You're just another dipshit that thought he could get rich quick mining, and then thought "well, if i kiss AMT's ass: they will take care of me" - so far neither has worked out for you. The fact that you stooped so low as to promote AMT (for your own self interest) speaks volumes about your intent here.
YOU need to fuck off, dipshit.
The following is why Frictionlesscoin likes the taste of Jewish Bulgarian Freemasons dick. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs27.postimg.org%2Fufpluez0v%2Ftroll_dolls_a_l.jpg&t=665&c=-qhN50ubWAGkNQ) NEW THREAD POLICY. ANY FORUM/THREAD MEMBERS THAT HELP AMT FIGHT AGAINST TROLLS AND NEGATIVE THREAD MEMBERS WILL GET 5% OFF ANY MINER WE SELL + 1 TO 2 WEEKS OFF THE EXPECTED SHIPPING TIME FRAME. STARTING NOW 12/09/2013. THAT DISCOUNT IS ON TOP OF ANY DISCOUNTS OR OTHER PROMO'S WE'RE RUNNING NOW OR IN THE FUTURE AND CAN BE USED AT ANY POINT THE TROLL FIGHTER WOULD LIKE TO USE IT. How do you help AMT fight trolls? When other members make negative remarks or post something that can be construed as something provocative or something generally undermining towards our credibility you should follow that post with a positive response and if the situation calls for it, an intelligent remark against the troll or negative individual Including reasons why they are possibly being negative, or provocative. Also, random comments here that are supportive and generally nice for AMT to have on it's thread is also considered helping AMT fight trolls. A combo of the two is preferred. Don't fake it, but just support an up an coming mining manufacturer through positive remarks. When claiming your discount please simply provide proof of your posts via a message to us directly here on this forum from the username that you used to post with. One post wont cut, we're looking for real supporters here and we'll reward those that are positive and cheerful individuals on this thread from this point forward. There are a few members which already earned this Troll fighting discount and I'll make a list of them shortly.
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The same fucking thing I'm doing--protecting our concern. That concern being Bitcoin, a cryptocurrency. If these were miners that mined a virtual currency, his and my ass wouldn't even have registered on this forum.
Who annoited you as 'protector of bitcoin'? What does one's company's incompetence have anything to do with 'protecting bitcoin'. You are just a wanna-be arm chair detective/vigilante.... nothing more. Smear campaigns against AMT does not bring me any close to getting my money back or my miner. I think AMT customers are better served if you get the hell out of this thread.Върви на майната си! You've been smokin' way too much shit, bud, at Tyler Lummis' hookah lounge in Ohio.
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The same fucking thing I'm doing--protecting our concern. That concern being Bitcoin, a cryptocurrency. If these were miners that mined a virtual currency, his and my ass wouldn't even have registered on this forum.
Who annoited you as 'protector of bitcoin'? What does one's company's incompetence have anything to do with 'protecting bitcoin'. You are just a wanna-be arm chair detective/vigilante.... nothing more.Smear campaigns against AMT does not bring me any close to getting my money back or my miner. I think AMT customers are better served if you get the hell out of this thread.Is there another way that self-regulating works? I'm all alpaca ears (just made that up).
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The same fucking thing I'm doing--protecting our concern. That concern being Bitcoin, a cryptocurrency. If these were miners that mined a virtual currency, his and my ass wouldn't even have registered on this forum.
Who annoited you as 'protector of bitcoin'? What does one's company's incompetence have anything to do with 'protecting bitcoin'. You are just a wanna-be arm chair detective/vigilante.... nothing more. Smear campaigns against AMT does not bring me any close to getting my money back or my miner. I think AMT customers are better served if you get the hell out of this thread.I anointed (juxtapose the n--I suggest getting spell checker, for that's how I just learnt it was spelled incorrectly, otherwise I would have made the same mistake) myself! FYI, I also anointed myself TMI BTCITW (The Most Interesting Bitcoiner In The World). Perhaps, you've heard of me: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/e67-the-most-interesting-bitcoiner/#.UyNYePldV34![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi2.sndcdn.com%2Fartworks-000065559740-51yanu-t500x500.jpg%3F435a760&t=665&c=VYirEICdKwmi2Q)
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Time to wake up and smell the bullshit. AMT brought this upon themselves, and now you just want everyone to 'be nice'. Not going to happen.
There is still a small, but fast-closing window, for AMT to start acting like a respectable business and tell us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but and then to work with us to find a solution of some kind. If there is any saving AMT, they need to tell us everything, right now. I don't care what the truth is, I just want to know and I want them to stop lying, stop hiding. Tell us that they really are a bunch of b-school dropouts who thought that starting a bitcoin mining machine manufacturer would be just as easy as creating a web site, and now they really are sorry that they realize their mistake; tell us that they are sorry about lying about having already shipped, when in fact not a single unit has been built and shipped by AMT; tell us that they were horribly wrong and now are in way over their heads; apologize for being defensive and non-responsive, and mean it; tell us customers, who have essentially funded their company, exactly what the product designs exist, what testing results are, what problems need to be overcome; and with us customers, develop a realistic plan to delivery something soon, OR give up, sell off assets, and refund on a pro rata basis as much as possible but in any case involve us in the decision since its our money they wasted. I am not saying all that is true, only that the real truth can't be much worse than that. While not everyone might be so generous, I am willing to be "nice" if I know that AMT is working with us and being upfront, giving us everything now that it is clear they cannot delivery as promised. The more I hear nothing from AMT, the more I am convinced that documents are being shredded and assets hidden while we wait and that makes me want to act quickly. And to AMT: you know my name, go ahead and google me. Ask yourself if you really want someone with my resources chasing you to the ends of the earth. If AMT doesn't speak up soon, I won't care about my investment (doubled as I tried to help AMT out) I will be a lot more interested in seeing someone go to jail. Your decision Josh or whomever you are. Please make the right decision. I, for one, don't know who you are, but if you truly live around my neck of the woods, I'd love to buy you dinner at some steakhouse.
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Josh and Alyson said they issued me a refund back on the 4th. As usual this has turned out to be another AMT lie. It does not take 10 days to get from PA to NC. If you folks still believe in AMT you are assholes and deserve everything you have coming to you. I wish I never heard of AMT. Everything that comes out of their mouths is a lie - its crazy.
So you are telling us that we are assholes because we bought from AMT? That we deserve to be punished for doing so? If you are to vent your anger, do it against AMT and not the poor customers here. He's just a bit butt hurt and can't take it as his own mistake. Hell if this doesn't turn out at least I can say it is my fault for not doing my due diligence. He's just another one of the "assholes" who bought from AMT. And if they issued a refund as of the 4th (and that is a big if) check wouldn't have gone in the mail until at least the 5th. Then you're looking about 7-10 BUSINESS DAYS. so forget any saturdays and sundays. This comes from a guy who has to issue refunds by check as part of his job (me by the way). And that is from a very large retailer who has their act together(ish) if you ignore the giant credit card theft my company just went through. These guys are amateurs obviously they could have started processing it that day and not got the check in the mail for a few days. Now I'm not saying this is the case before you start crying any more. I'm just saying it a possibility. But I would say you're likely fucked with their track record. I totaled my sister's car on March 1, 2014, due to slamming into another car that crossed the center line due to ice. On March 6, Progressive called my sister about 1:00 PM CST and told her that the adjuster looked at the car and offered her a settlement. After a brief exchange, they up the amount a tad, then told her the check was going in the mail that day. She received the check the very next day, the 7th. The check was set from California to Illinois. AMT is fucking stalling and lying.
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