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2741  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Axiom #0 - If you do not have the private keys for your bitcoins ... on: June 22, 2014, 12:45:04 PM
If I lose the keys to my house, it's still my house.

That's because your house has weak locks. Put an infinitely strong lock on the house, and try the analogy again.
Nailed it.

If your house was like Bitcoin - secured by the laws of the universe itself, mathematics, you'd be fucked if you lost your keys.
2742  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is it possible Satoshi Nakamoto is an acroymn or neumonic? on: June 22, 2014, 12:29:58 PM
Is it possible you celebrity-cult tools will ever shut the hell up ?
2743  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Argentina Debt Crisis: U.S. Demands 1.5 billion cash (Bitcoin to Rescue?) on: June 21, 2014, 10:53:13 PM
Debt is slavery.
2744  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: solution to rubber hose attacks on: June 21, 2014, 10:49:21 PM
in all possible solutions.. even moving funds during being held hostage, multisig, safety deposit boxes etc.

the guy is still in your house and knows you still have control of your funds. he knows you would rather give him the funds .. eventually .. rather then send them to an address with no known privkey (losing control yourself knowing you will never get them back ever).

so he will hammer you until he gets the multisig, privkey, safety deposit key, privkey where funds were diverted to.

i guess the cartoon did no explain that enough

This is exactly true. If you are in physical danger there is no reason to try to protect you money/bitcoin.

Money can be replaced, your life cannot.
Prove it. How do you know death is not simply a reset button where you get to start over?

You don't know, and neither do I. I find your fear of death to be irrational, especially in light of the known suffering of existence.

2745  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin pros and cons, and about it replacing the bank credit system... on: June 21, 2014, 10:44:17 PM
- Fiat currency is in and of itself not inherently evil.
Of course it's not. No tool is good or evil, they are all neutral. Value judgements, whether negative or positive always come AFTER we see how humans use these tools.
If the government wanted to, they could divide evenly all printed fiat each day to every person in the nation. They choose not to do that. They choose to instead provide that money to the oligarchs exclusively.

Fiat currency has been used to enslave the world to debt, and therefore we say it is evil. It is not, however, inherently evil.
2746  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Misconceptions:we are in the 2nd PHASE of Bitcoin bullrun on: June 21, 2014, 10:41:59 PM
2nd phase?  Sure, as long as you concede that there are about 10,000 phases of logarithmic growth ahead, it's all just semantics.
2747  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you sometimes think Bitcoin will fail? on: June 21, 2014, 10:37:10 PM
Good thing is BTC is in middle of development, and i dont really think development will ever stop, so future can be as brght as we make it.
Well said.

In response to OP, I highly recommend a viewing of Jeff Garzik's excellent Bitcoin the Organism TED talk.

Not only will Bitcoin not fail, Bitcoin will save many economies from failing, probably saving countless lives in the not too distant future. Bitcoin is a lifeboat on the Titanic.
2748  Other / Off-topic / Re: I hate my life!!! on: June 20, 2014, 06:37:14 PM
Understanding capitalism in one image:



Slums on the left | BIG FUCKING CONCRETE WALL | 1% on the right.
2749  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: what is the first question you would ask, if you met Satoshi Nakamoto? on: June 20, 2014, 06:33:29 PM
(1) that would make sense if Nakamoto SAtoshi was a government employee.
Burden of proof fallacy.
I am not CLAIMING that he is a government employee.  Only pointing out that it is a possibility.  Lack of proof is not proof of the contrary.

I've seen this argument before, when debating theists about their imaginary friend(s)...

"I am not CLAIMING that there is a god, only pointing out that it is a possibility."

That's nice honey. There's just one problem with that logic - EVERYTHING is a possibility. Pointing out something as a possibility is the same as saying nothing at all. So don't waste your bandwidth and our time by doing it.
2750  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [POLL] How Many Bitcoins Do You Own? on: June 20, 2014, 06:31:12 PM
I answered 1,000+ just to fuck with your poll. In reality I have far, far fewer BTC.

Internet polls, seems legit right?
2751  Other / Off-topic / Re: I hate my life!!! on: June 20, 2014, 06:22:24 PM
We are all suffering, friend. It seems hard to imagine when you are drowning in your own misery, but you are not alone. A world governed by violence reduces quality of life for everyone.
2752  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Argentina Debt Crisis: U.S. Demands 1.5 billion cash (Bitcoin to Rescue?) on: June 20, 2014, 06:09:36 PM
There was a time before capitalism

I'm well aware.  I wonder if you are aware of what its like?  Really like?
In the not-too-distant future they'll look back on capitalism and say, "I wonder if you are aware of what it was REALLY like? It was horrible, the vast majority lived as slaves in all but name..."

I'm afraid you are out of your depth, friend. Your myopia blinds you from the truth.

If you take all future obligations the US has promised our real national debt is north of 100 trillion dollars. That much money doesn't even exist.
Don't worry, we leave the vast majority of that debt to our children and grandchildren, essentially selling them off as slaves to foreign banksters before they're even born...

...Surely there won't be any negative political ramifications of that fact, eh?


You keep making vague, stupid, grandoise statements without backing them up.
It's a bad habit I must admit. The truth is I am in possession of a commodity even rarer than Bitcoin. It's called "radical imagination", and for me it is a feeling similar to being in love. An emotional state that can be difficult to express in words, but for the first time in a long time I have hope for humanity. I will share something personal about myself, with no ego I will tell you I have what could be considered "exceptional" intelligence, and for most of my life that has meant a great deal of suffering, depression, and anxiety. Imagine yourself as a peace-loving, compassionate, non-violent human being who is stuck living in a world of violent chimps. Imagine your entire childhood being held under the power of these creatures, and you may have a glimpse into my suffering. The one good thing about suffering is that it is extremely fertile soil for growing knowledge. I survived the worst periods of my life and in the aftermath sought desperately to understand WHY I have suffered so much, and this journey of self-understanding led me to question everything I had once believed.

True wisdom is not the accumulation of ever more knowledge. True wisdom comes from UNLEARNING all the false truths that you were so damn sure about. You have been lied to your entire life, by people who have been lied to their entire lives. That's reality. Hard to grasp, I know.

And yeah, I know, more grandiose claims without backing them up, more asserting my superior intelligence. What can I tell you, I'm speaking from the heart without ego, there's no other way for me to tell it than to tell it as it is.
 
I agree that the modern western world consists of what I call "plantation-states" - where the citizens are functionally slaves forced to support the agenda of the elites through direct and indirect taxation. (Much like 19th century plantation slave owners would allow their skilled-trade slaves to keep a portion of their free-lance earnings while pocketing the rest.) However this is not due to capitalism but rather precisely the opposite, because it occurs through the use of centralized political power working against open competition and free-market capitalism. You correctly perceive the injustice, but have the remedy and the malady mixed up.
No, I have nothing mixed up. Capitalism - like the nation-state - necessitates systematic heirarchy-based violence to exist. Just as was the case in the age of outright slavery, ours is a world governed by violence and the threat thereof. Wage-slavery has the same requirement as slavery.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, on this little spec of dust we call Earth there is a zero-sum game between violence and reason. As one waxes, the other wanes. In the end our survival will come down to whether or not we allow reason to vanquish the rule of violence once and for all.

Bitcoin offers our first real opportunity to move past the "might makes right" paradigm of capitalism and the nation-state, and move toward a more just, equal, sane world that is governed by reason. We damn well better take it.
2753  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: solution to rubber hose attacks on: June 20, 2014, 05:58:01 PM

Real solution to Rubber Hose attack? Coinbase.com

coinbase is just another mtgox... no one can guarantee which day the CEO will finally snap and get greedy.
Franky I've always respected your opinions and insights on this forum, on most days you are a very valuable community member here. But on this matter I could not possibly disagree more strongly.
I have been there, visited the headquarters. Coinbase.com is legit, they have the foresight to understand that building a solid reputation today will be worth billions tomorrow. They will never gox us, they're smarter than that. They share our vision of a more peaceful world.

Coinbase.com will be around for a long, long time. And they will always have my business, and I will always speak well of them to any who ask for my advice.

As for all the children spinning theories about gunmen and rubber hoses, please grow up and realize most people will never accept the level of risk required to rob people at gunpoint - putting one's life and freedom on the line for a SLIM CHANCE at getting rich?
That kind of insanity is for the desperate only, and these days the desperate don't have access to guns. They're certainly not better equipped than the average police department, and sure as HELL can't compete with the 10,000 heavily-armed soldiers of the NYPD.
2754  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [POLL] How Many Bitcoins Do You Own? on: June 20, 2014, 04:45:00 PM


ONE MILLION DOLLARS!
2755  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: PayPal Integrating Bitcoin soon. on: June 20, 2014, 04:36:42 PM
I don't understand why would paypal/ebay would integrate bitcoin ?
Paypal business model = paypal only way to pay.


farking bastards at ebay/paypal.. if you owe fee's they just deduct it.. don't ask.. simply deduct. wtf is that..
I don't know if they still do this, but years ago if you had no $$ in your bank account and paypal had no way to get the money back, you would get a debt collectors letter straight away. nice way of of conducting business.


PayPal is using MANY fiat currencies now. BTC would be just another currency. They earn money on fees for their escov service (that's what they are now and that's what they will stay with BTC)
The thing is, unlike fiat money, Bitcoin has the ability to build escrow services in code directly on top of the blockchain, making Paypal (and their exorbitant fees) obsolete!

PayPal using bitcoin = same extortionist fees as with fiat. Bitcoin using integrated escrow = same service without the high fees. Which do you think survives in a free market?

Hint: Blockbuster video ain't doing so great these days.
2756  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Price Chart Breakout Pending Silk Road Auction | CCN | #bitcoin on: June 20, 2014, 03:37:23 PM
Meteorologists use multi-million dollar pieces of technology to analyze and predict the weather on a day to day basis. They still get it wrong half the time.

You sure spent a lot of effort analyzing the Bitcoin weather, pal. I'm more interested in climate trends. You day-traders are out of your depth.

Bitcoin, like Earth, is getting hotter every year. Bitcoin's growth is normal.
Of course, it is all bullshit.  Not an ounce of reality in that sort of 'analysis'.
It's so true. When I first got into Bitcoin I was one of fools thinking it could be predicted, but the reality is Bitcoin's price floats up and down with the winds of public opinion.
2757  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Price Chart Breakout Pending Silk Road Auction | CCN | #bitcoin on: June 20, 2014, 03:23:28 PM
Meteorologists use multi-million dollar pieces of technology to analyze and predict the weather on a day to day basis. They still get it wrong half the time.

You sure spent a lot of effort analyzing the Bitcoin weather, pal. I'm more interested in climate trends. You day-traders are out of your depth.

Bitcoin, like Earth, is getting hotter every year. Bitcoin's growth is normal.
2758  Economy / Lending / Re: I've been hacked, and now I'm screwed (Can anyone help?) on: June 20, 2014, 03:15:47 PM
 My BTC stays with me regardless of how many sob stories I see posted here.  These posts are so suspect-able.....
I really can't fathom why more people just don't keep their money on Coinbase...
2759  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: solution to rubber hose attacks on: June 20, 2014, 03:08:57 PM
If someone is willing to risk jailtime to get your bitcoins, then that guy must really need it! I'd say, just give it to him. No need to deny someone, who need it so badly, the access to your coins.
It's true, the simplest thing to do would be hand over control of the coins (if even possible - it really shouldn't be in your home), and immediately call the cops. Also go public with what happened to the Bitcoin community.

You'd have your coins back within a few days, I suspect. Remember, Bitcoin has a lot of white hat hackers watching out for theft and making sure thieves don't get away with it. They do this because it strengthens Bitcoin.

Real solution to Rubber Hose attack? Coinbase.com
2760  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: solution to rubber hose attacks on: June 20, 2014, 02:56:08 PM
thoughts?
The whole gunman breaking into your house thing is absurd. How does gunman know which house to break in?

This scenario sounds like fear-mongering pro-gun fiction. If you have any real wealth stored in a paper wallet it belongs in a safety deposit box anyway, not in your home. They are very affordable.

True, they wouldnt know you had coins
necessarily but they might... didnt you
say you threw bitcoin parties?  Now
people know you have coins.

What if your coins are in a brain wallet?
Aren't yours?
No, my BTC are safe, but I appreciate your concern. I'm not the kind of person you fuck around with, and everyone in my city knows it. Anyone who doesn't would swiftly and seriously regret their ignorance.

What about those "outside" your city that are even tougher?
Your logic does not compute. New York is the toughest city, and I am the toughest guy in it. I therefore win this infantile e-toughness battle. Now grow the hell up and discuss something worthwhile.
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