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2741  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 09, 2014, 12:33:12 AM
Batch 10 of the S3+ has just gone on sale for BTC0.58.
counter intuitive diff has gone up 16.2% since batch 9 shipped and now batch 10 costs more  then previous batch because of no free shipping i assume due to the fact btc price has dropped lol now this batch s3 looks like 5-6 months roi as opposed to prev 3-4 months o well Cry

My sentiments EXACTLY!

TIME IS MONEY!!!

That's why I bought six NEW S3+'s  on eBay in a total from 3 different auctions on eBay TODAY!  $265.00 + $511.99 + 760.33 = $1,537.32 divided by 6 = $256.22 each.  NOT BAD AT ALL for NEW batch 9's!!!  NOT BAD AT ALL!!!

3 Corsair AX860 PLATINUM's should be here Friday from Amazon.

TIME IS MONEY!!!

I'm holding on to the BTC I've mined since September 22nd to get nothing but S4's from here on out.  I will have a total of 16 S3+'s total going by this Saturday.  They were sent out today via FedEx and should be here from Texas on no later than Saturday.  I think one will be here Friday.

I'm spending ALL OF MY BTC on S4's until I have 8 of them.  To me, you can't go wrong with getting S4's.  I've explained it in a previous thread.  Power consumption {COST} is less for the hashing output you get.

When it's all said and done, I will have 8 S4's and 16 S3's running at approximately 23.7 TH's TOTAL and approximately 16,928 watts.

8 S4's x 1380 watts at the wall = 11,040 watts for 16 TH/s TOTAL without over clocking at 2 TH/s EACH connected to four 30 AMP outlets.

OR

30 S3's x 368 watts at the wall [with Corsair AX860 PLATINUM PSU's] = 11,040 watts for 13.65 TH/s [without over clocking] at average of 455 GH/s EACH connected to five 20 AMP outlets.

NOTICE:  BOTH COMPARISONS HAVE 11,040 watts at the wall. HOWEVER, you get WAY MUCH MORE HASHING POWER WITH THE S4's.

ALSO:  IF you ever think about selling your mining equipment, I don't think you'll have much of a problem getting at least half [if not more] of your money back on eBay.

MY OPINION!!!
2742  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 08, 2014, 11:57:42 PM
So about a week ago we were at 6.6ph and my payouts were great.  Now at 8.1ph and payouts have been cut by almost a 1/4.  i understand new faster miners are coming out every day but a peta hash is alllllot of power added in just over a week.  Did someone hit the Bitcoin lottery or something.

JT

1 guy rented 500 TH/s in the cloud and put it on here.

Good on them! 5 blocks in the last 30+hrs .... I bet they are cursing their luck.

LOLOLOLOLOL

I WAS DEAD SERIOUS TOO.  He had it all on CK's solo pool for a little while.
2743  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 08, 2014, 07:23:59 PM
So about a week ago we were at 6.6ph and my payouts were great.  Now at 8.1ph and payouts have been cut by almost a 1/4.  i understand new faster miners are coming out every day but a peta hash is alllllot of power added in just over a week.  Did someone hit the Bitcoin lottery or something.

JT

1 guy rented 500 TH/s in the cloud and put it on here.
2744  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 08, 2014, 06:47:31 PM
Batch 10 of the S3+ has just gone on sale for BTC0.58.

Thanks for the heads up!

However, I have my eyes on the S4.  I'm waiting for the price of BTC to go up enough [While still mining BTC as well] to get my hands on an S4.  I have 10 S3+'s with 6 more brand new S3+'s on the way that I purchased in auctions on eBay TODAY.  Got 1 S3+ for $265.00 w/free shipping. Got 2 more for $511.99 w/free shipping.  I just won another auction for 3 more S3's for $760.33 w/free shipping.  All of them are NEW Batch 9's.

Yes, I know I'm paying more on ebay than what I would pay for them from Bitmaintech.  HOWEVER, those units were IN HAND and ready to ship NOW!  TIME IS MONEY!  Difficulty is going up again very soon too.  I needed them yesterday!!!

Getting nothing but S4's from here on out.  I did not want to touch the 1.8 BTC I've earned already since I first started mining September 22nd [13 blocks we hit that day, my first day at this].  Look to have 23.7 TH/s mining away downstairs when it's all said and done [16 S3+'s and 8 S4's].

David
2745  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / BITCON COMPARED TO GOLD on: October 08, 2014, 05:38:12 AM
This article is easier read at the following link:  https://cdn.panteracapital.com/wp-content/uploads/Bitcoin-vs-Gold.pdf, however, i posted it here to get you interested enough to click on the link. 

October 7, 2014
Ron Glantz
Director of Research @RonGlantz
GOLD VERSUS BITCOIN AS A STORE OF VALUE
Johnny Dilley Venture Associate @AdmiralLeviathn
Of the 118 known elements, how did #79 become a store of value? Why not #78, platinum, #80, mercury, or some other element? There have been many explanations over the years:
 Gold was the first metal to be discovered (circa 3500 BC). Unlike other metals which had to be mined and processed, gold was found in nugget form in stream beds.
 Supplies are scarce, but not rare enough to be impossible to find.
 Gold’s unique color allowed it to be easily identified.
 Gold is the most malleable and ductile of all known metals and does not decay, corrode,
or tarnish when exposed to air, making it a preferred medium for decoration and jewelry
dating back to prehistoric times.
 Gold is unreactive, a desirable characteristic for physical currencies.
 High density makes transportation easy and counterfeiting difficult, as simple weight and
volume calculations can determine authenticity.
 Fungibility allows for a standard and uniform basis for currency.
 It has a sufficiently low melting point that it can be inexpensively made into uniform and
divisible units.
 Compared with other early potential stores of value, like livestock or foodstuffs, gold is relatively inexpensive to store and maintain.
Precious metals were used in commerce in Mesopotamia since the Bronze Age, but coins originated much later, during the 6th century BC, in Anatolia (present-day Turkey). Gold eventually became a primary form of money, falling into disuse in the early 20th century. Most of the world stopped making gold coins by 1933, as countries switched from the gold standard due to hoarding during the Great Depression.

Economics is often a contentious subject, but economists agree about the gold standard — it is a
barbarous relic that belongs in the dustbin of history. As University of Chicago professor Richard
Thaler points out, exactly zero economists endorsed the idea in a recent poll. What makes it such
an idea non grata? It prevents the central bank from fighting recessions by outsourcing monetary
policy decisions to how much gold we have — which, in turn, depends on our trade balance and on
how much of the shiny rock we can dig up. When we peg the dollar to gold we have to raise interest
rates when gold is scarce, regardless of the state of the economy. This policy inflexibility was the
major cause of the Great Depression, as governments were forced to tighten policy at the worst
possible moment. It's no coincidence that the sooner a country abandoned the gold standard, the
sooner it began recovering.”
Matthew O’Brien, The Atlantic, August 26, 2012
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Inflation (and deflation) was much worse under the gold standard than it has been since. In fact,
there has only been 4% of the variance in U.S. CPI since the Fed started quantitative easing than
there was under the gold standard. For example, CPI fell from 23.7% in June 1920 to –15.8% one year
later, in June 1921. Under quantitative easing, CPI has ranged from 3.9% in September 2011 to 1.0% in
October 2013. In fact, CPI growth was higher in each of the 11 months (November 2007 – September
2008) prior to the beginning of quantitative easing than in any month since.
What makes the belief that the gold standard leads to price stability so odd is that the Austrian
school of economics, the most prominent group advocating the gold standard, is actually quite
notable for its criticism of the very idea of “price stability”.
What Underpins Gold’s Value Today?
While there have been extended periods of underperformance, gold prices increased at 4.62% CAGR in the 80 years between July 1934 and July 2014, almost a percentage point better than the 3.66% CAGR of U.S. CPI — little wonder that people have a high regard for gold as protection against inflation.
So far this decade, only 9% of gold demand has come from industry. Jewelry (48%) has been the most important use, followed by private investments (34%) and official holdings (8%).
Gold Demand
Gold has retained its value as an investment asset largely because of India and China, although demand has increasingly reflected prices, one explanation for the dip in 2013 and so far in 2014.
 Jewelry in many cases is an investment. The single largest buyers of gold have been Indians, who wear their net worth every day, distrusting or not having access to banks, and China, taking advantage of their recent wealth. Widespread adoption of bitcoin could significantly reduce demand, as rural Indian women would be less willing to wear their household’s entire net wealth when they leave their house.
 Industrial and dentistry have declined in recent years, responding to higher prices.
 Central banks sold 2,260 tons of gold in 2004-09. Since then, they have been net buyers
(1,487 tons in 2010-13), primarily to diversify their portfolios, especially from USD- denominated assets. At the end of 2013, there were 31,320 metric tons of gold in official
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reserves. Over the last decade, Russia’s Central Bank acquired 570 metrics tons of gold, 25% more than China. China, however, is suspected of downplaying its actual gold purchases as it prepared to introduce the Yuan as a reserve currency.
Bitcoin Versus Gold
Bitcoin’s superiority over gold lies in its protocol. Bitcoin mining reaps more than just the creation of bitcoins. Mining for gold just adds more gold to the market. The concept of gold’s intrinsic value is ultimately misplaced, as gold’s value lies not in the material itself but instead in its potential utility. In contrast, Bitcoin’s intrinsic value lies in its ability to provide secure, reliable transactions of arbitrary value within an ecosystem that self-strengthens through mining.
There are some similarities between bitcoins and gold, but certain key differences are glaringly important. It is similar in that:
 Speculation causes it to react to surges in consumer sentiment.
 It is not immune to international movements in markets.
 It functions as an intermediary means of exchange-value storage: if you invest X amount
in either, at some point in the future you assume the ability to extract the initial X amount invested plus or minus the change in its market worth.
Unfortunately for gold, it is relatively stagnant in terms of its use. It does have a few industrial applications, and generally gold has been a hedge against market fear and fiat- currency inflation. Mostly, gold acts as a crude storage of historically-induced, market- imposed value.
In comparison, Bitcoin, is remarkably different — its market ecosystem is unique compared with all other contemporary forms of value (e.g., gold, fiat money, and barter systems cannot “teleport” arbitrary-sized value between individuals, nor do they come with third-party ledgers). Bitcoin is anything but a crude storage of value, and the “intrinsic value” of bitcoins is readily apparent. In comparing the varied “protocols” inherent to gold and Bitcoin, the key differences become clear:
 Gold as an ecosystem has two parts that rely on each other's output. Gold markets serve as a means for consumers to trade gold, and gold mines serve as a place to find gold and transfer newly-acquired gold to these markets. It is a crude yet functional system with significant value because of the number of players, its market capitalization, its supposed actual value, and the intrinsic relationship between mined gold and gold which has not yet been mined. More important, banks consider gold to be a semi-prime asset.
 In comparison, Bitcoin is an ecosystem that also has two parts; but unlike gold, these two parts are symbiotically integrated as an undeniable and fundamental function of the protocol which underlies Bitcoin. Like gold’s provisional system, the bitcoin mine also functions upon a need for efficiency and the potential for profit — bitcoin miners certainly compete against each other because only one miner can earn the right of seigniorage for a given “block”, but they have extremely limited control over the rate of new bitcoin issuance. Gold mining is market-driven, while bitcoin mining is algorithm-driven.
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Yes, both types of miners are rewarded for their hard work. In addition to their award of newly- created bitcoins, bitcoin miners confirm transactions to the rest of the network, providing comprehensive security for the use, transfer, and storage of all bitcoins. For gold to have these traits, it would be analogous to expecting contemporary gold miners to simultaneously act as transaction security for every trade in gold: armed guards, checkpoints, concealed transaction values, guaranteed delivery of every transaction worldwide, and a constantly updated ledger for confirmation.
Unlike gold, Bitcoin has embedded transaction security and reliability in its protocol. Bitcoin’s security gets more robust as more individuals participate in both the market and the mine. Bitcoin facilitates frequent, secured, and valued transactions of varied amounts between varied individuals, all without person-to-person trust, in a manner that is both globally visible and publicly auditable.
Bitcoin’s intrinsic value lies in its ability to provide secure, reliable transactions every time as a protocol (although humans do make mistakes in specific implementations of said protocol, so it’s not "perfect"). Bitcoin’s embedded security with a lack of central bank manipulation, nearly instantaneous and free transactions, increasingly liquid markets, and accelerating adoption rate is attractive to any contemporary investor that is looking for the new safe haven of exchange- value and the future of technological innovation.
We believe Bitcoin has many advantages over gold:
 Difficult to steal. Unlike in Goldfinger, there is no central location holding a significant percentage of bitcoins. Nor can a thug snatch a bitcoin chain from around someone’s neck.
 Gold’s weight and value make it difficult to ship. The Federal Reserve Bank of New York holds 7,716 metric tons of bullion. Transactions between countries involve a forklift moving gold from one pile to another. Bitcoin’s protocol allows value to be quickly moved around the globe.
 Can be used for small purchases, while gold isn’t used as currency anywhere in the world.
 Limited supply, while precious metals continue to be mined. The U.S. Geological Survey
estimates that there are 52,000 metric tons of gold still in the ground, with more to be
discovered.
 Easy to verify. The United States’ gold reserves haven’t been examined since 1950, and then
without outside observers. Three-time presidential candidate Ron Paul isn’t the only one
wondering whether Ft. Knox’s vaults are empty.
 Less wasteful of manpower. With gold at $1,300 per Troy ounce, the 8,133.5 metric tons of
gold in our official reserve are worth $339.9 billion. This is the equivalent of 12.3 million years of work with U.S. median personal income at $27,659, 84 times the 146,000 man-years of work estimated to build the Great Pyramid of Giza. At least people can see the pyramids.
Hass McCook has written a thorough comparison of bitcoin and gold costs. Here are some highlights from his report:
 The annual cost of mining gold is $105 billion vs. $0.79 billion for Bitcoin.
 Gold mining uses 475 million gigajoules of energy versus 3.6 million for Bitcoin.
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 Gold mining produces 54 million metric tons of CO2 vs. 0.6 million for Bitcoin.
 Gold costs over 100 worker deaths each year versus zero for Bitcoin.
 Gold incurs about $600 million in corruption, money laundering, and black market costs
each year versus a negligible amount for Bitcoin.
Bitcoin capitalization is a fraction of world foreign exchange reserves, official gold reserves, gold bars and coins held for investment, and gold in jewelry, an important store of wealth in countries such as India. What will happen to bitcoin price with widespread adoption?
PANTERA PUBLICATIONS
We tweet Bitcoin news and insights @PanteraCapital.
You can subscribe to our publications by emailing ir@panteracapital.com or through our website
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developments.
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portfolios for accredited investors.
 White Papers: periodic original research and academic papers on Bitcoin.
Most of our content is publicly available on our website. However, the SEC mandates that only accredited investors can access certain information. If you are an accredited investor, register here to receive a password.
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2746  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 08, 2014, 03:38:53 AM
MAKES NO DAMN SENSE...

ALL THIS HASHING POWER AND IT TAKES US LONGER TO FIND A BLOCK...
2747  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 08, 2014, 02:57:26 AM
come on, Slush

we need a damn block

two of them within 5 minutes of one another.
2748  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 08, 2014, 12:13:06 AM
It has been a while since our last 24+ hour block, that is when you find out who the true slushes are. Smiley

The TOTAL HASH POWER OF THE POOL stayed up there over 8 PH/s the whole time.  Well, it did get down to 7.9_____ PH/s for a moment.  However, it stayed about 8 PH/s for the most part.

I think we have more converted Slushers AND older Slushers who have obtained more hashing power!

We are still steady at 8084859 Ghash/s or 8.085 PH/s
2749  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 08, 2014, 12:07:16 AM
I'm leaning more towards buying S4's than buying any more S3's.  My farm is downstairs in the recreation room against the wall adjacent to the garage.  It's nothing to change out the wiring to 10/3 AWG; install 30 AMP NEMA L-14-30-R outlets [circular]; install 30 AMP 2 POLE BREAKERS and plug in a 3 ft. Generator 30 Amp 4-prong to 15-20 Amp (x2) Y-Adapter which will power two S4's.

BY THE WAY:  DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE INTERNAL PSU GOES BAD IN AN S4, IS IT EASY TO CONNECT AN EXTERNAL PSU TO KEEP IT GOING?

I'm in the process of installing a 125 AMP SUB PANEL [QO SQUARE-D].  That is enough for four (4) 30 AMP outlets to power eight S4's [16 TH/s].

8 S4's x 1380 watts at the wall = 11,040 watts for 16 TH/s TOTAL without over clocking at 2 TH/s EACH connected to four 30 AMP outlets.

OR

30 S3's x 368 watts at the wall [with Corsair AX860 PLATINUM PSU's] = 11,040 watts for 13.65 TH/s [without over clocking] at average of 455 GH/s EACH connected to five 20 AMP outlets.

To me it's a NO BRAINER to invest in S4's for more hashing power with lower costs in power consumption.  I'm keeping my 10 S3's with four more on the way for a total of 14 S3's.  However, those four S3's will be the last S3's I purchase.  I believe it is S4's from here on out till I have 8 of them.

That means [when completed] my house farm will be 6.37 TH/s of S3's [5,152 watts total] at average of 455 GH/s each [without over clocking] and 16 TH/s of S4's [11,040 watts total] at 2 TH/s each.  

TOTAL = 22.37 TH/s Hashing power with 16,192 watts [Divided by 120 watts per amp = 134.93 AMPS] at the wall.  

That leaves me 65.07 AMPS for the rest of the house.  The AC runs at 19 AMPS when it is on.  It starts with 30 AMP surge then settles down to 19 AMPS.  ALL LIGHT BULBS in the house are LED.  So I believe I'm good to go with the 200 AMP MAIN BREAKER PANEL and everything else running in the house, such as AC, stove and oven, fridge, freezer, LED TV (only two - LED TV's - use less power than any other type of TV out there) and LED lights.

Power cost 1 month:           1774.24 USD @ 0.15 per kWH
Revenue per 1 month:         3290.69 USD @ $340.00 for 1.0 BTC / 34,661,425,924 Difficulty
Less power costs 1 month:   1516.46 USD @ $340.00 for 1.0 BTC

We need BTC to go up to $440.00 US and the difficulty to stay around 35,579,431,281:

Power cost 1 month             1774.24 USD @ 0.15 per kWH
Revenue per 1 month           4258.54 USD @ $440.00 for 1.0 BTC / Estimated Next Difficulty: 35,579,431,281 (+2.65%) Source: BitcoinWisdom
Less power cost:                  2484.31 USD @ $440.00 for 1.0 BTC / Estimated Next Difficulty: 35,579,431,281 (+2.65%) Source: BitcoinWisdom

IF BTC went up to $540.00 US and the difficulty went up to around 42,579,431,281 the profitability would be almost the exact same:

Power cost 1 month             1774.24 USD @ 0.15 per kWH
Revenue per 1 month           4254.50 USD @ $440.00 for 1.0 BTC
Less power cost:                  2480.26 USD @ $440.00 for 1.0 BTC


AT PRESENT ON SLUSH WITH 23.7 TH/s HOUSE FARM WOULD BE THE FOLLOWING:

8230601 GH/s (8.230601 PH/s OR 8231 TH/s) is the TOTAL HASHING POWER OF SLUSH ON AVERAGE AT THE MOMENT (estimated)
Block found in 5 hours 7 minutes on average (luck plays a part in it as well).

0.07013480 PER BLOCK FOUND with 23.7 TH/s (estimated) x 5 blocks each day = 0.35067402 each day

THAT WOULD TOTAL 10.5202207 BTC EVERY 30 DAYS

10.5202207 x $340.00 BTC = $3,576.88 US - $1,774.24 for power consumption; with present difficulty
10.5202207 x $440.00 BTC = $4,628.90 US - $1,774.24 for power consumption; with Estimated Next Difficulty: 35,579,431,281 (+2.65%) Source: BitcoinWisdom

So my math compared to the calculator at http://www.bitcoinx.com/profit/ isn't too far off to my first estimate by that calculator.

IF that link does not load the calculator, HIT REFRESH and it should come up.  Also, I believe the "Profitability Decline Per Year" at 0.61 will be much less as difficulty goes up without the price of BTC going up with it.  That profitability calculator was made when the Difficulty was just over 19 Billion.



NOT BAD AT ALL FOR A HOUSE FARM.
2750  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 07, 2014, 08:18:44 PM
Damn!!!

6 hours 48 minutes without a block thus far

 Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry


8066815 Ghash/s and NO BLOCK YET!!!

5 hours, 7 minutes (can vary greatly depending on our luck) to find a block with 8.066815 PH/s.  Luck is a little low at the moment...
It's still at 125% for the day.

yup

I'm NOT leaving.  Sticking here through thick and thin.

8 hours now.
2751  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 07, 2014, 06:57:07 PM
Damn!!!

6 hours 48 minutes without a block thus far

 Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry


8066815 Ghash/s and NO BLOCK YET!!!

5 hours, 7 minutes (can vary greatly depending on our luck) to find a block with 8.066815 PH/s.  Luck is a little low at the moment...
2752  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 07, 2014, 03:49:57 PM
8.1 PH ! Is ths a new record for Slush? I have never seen it this hgh before. A whole PH jumped in today.
We must not be qwuiet enough, so wets be vwey vwey qwuiet, shhhh.
My measley 3 TH is getting swamped. Sad


Either we have more players coming to the game of mining or we have other miners who've seen the light after spending some time at other pools.

We could also have some miners who have been on slush for quite a while who have upgraded their S1's to S3's, purchased S3's on eBay, etc...

Also, several are renting LOTS of TH/s of hashing power in the Cloud and hopping around from pool to pool.
2753  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 07, 2014, 03:11:33 PM
Check out what this guy just took off-line because it is no longer profitable. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813649.0


He had a decent amount of hardware.  However, we did NOT see what is still hooked up.  He said he still had S3's hooked up.  I personally believe he simply upgraded his equipment.  Those S1's are 355 watts at the wall just like the S3's.  However, less than half the hashing power of the S3's.

That is a COMMERCIAL building.  In Alabama it is 0.15 per kWH [Residential] and 0.37 per kWH [Commercial].  He could be shutting down because of power costs in relation to BTC price.  It's possible.  Especially, if he is paying COMMERCIAL power prices.

http://www.alabamapower.com/residential/pricing-rates/pdf/Bill_Calculation_Factors2014.pdf
2754  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 07, 2014, 04:37:43 AM
2014-10-06 05:04:32 yesterdays block...

DUE ANOTHER BLOCK SHORTLY...IF WE HAVE THE SAME LUCK TODAY AS YESTERDAY.  

It is 04:37 Slush's time.

0.83650499 BTC earned since Monday, 2014-09-29 01:04:19 with 4.6 TH/s farm.  NOT BAD  NOT BAD

DAMN I want two S4's to add to my farm soon.  COME ON BLOCKS...  FALL IN PLACE FOR US NOW!!!
2755  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 07, 2014, 04:04:09 AM
The more I think about it... The new Bitmain Antminer S4 is a good choice for the price.  Especially, since it includes a built in PSU [Gold Rated].  My ONLY concern is IF the built in PSU goes down, can it be EASILY hooked up to an external 1600 Watt PSU?

Is there anyone on this forum who has an S4 [Who may have opened it up] that could tell me if it can easily be hooked up to an external PSU in the event the internal PSU goes down?

It would take 4 Antminer S3's to make 1 S4.  THEN you have to buy 2 PSU's to power the 4 S3's.  Yet, you are still short approximately 200 GH/s from the 2 TH/s hashing power of the S4.

ALSO, 4 Antminer S3's with two Corsair AX860's [PLATINUM] would be a combined total of 1440 watts at the wall.  You get 200 GH/s more hashing power with the S4 and 1380 Watts at the wall.  60 Watts LESS POWER WHILE GAINING 200 GH's more hashing power.  THAT IS EXTREMELY ATTRACTIVE!

I'm tempted to buy 2 S4's instead of 10 S3's.  VERY TEMPTED!!!!

Yes, the S4 requires 30 AMP outlets with a 20 AMP splitter cord to make it possible to hook up 2 S4's on a 30 AMP circuit.  I've already addressed this earlier on page 940 of THIS forum.

10.5 min avg blocks since new diff so might not go up much next round except even at that ridiculous price batch 1 s4 sold out in 12 hours


Batch 1 wasn't that large to begin with, this is from their post in S4 thread:
S4'B1 is limited in quantity, as it is the first mass production after the development stage.

understood still dont see how anyone would buy that 3.4 btc for .01 w gh/s improvement over s3+ .069 vs .070 when 2 s3+ is 1.16 and prob cheaper you can get 4 for over 1 btc cheaper and have same hash rate and I know it has an integrated psu so they wont have to buy 2 140 dollar psu's but they have to find a 16 amp power cord that fits hmmmmm... gonna be tuff 15 amp is what 12 gauge and thats already thicker then standard computer power cord bet it costs a bit and as standard outlets in the us are 15 amp rated I'm sure warranties will be void

Agree, I wonder if they noticed that server psu and those 4 large fans? It is going to be very loud.
S4 was obviously geared for their hosting option or a data center not the home. Either way you will never see ROI with it but sheep will be sheep.
yup i was looking online and it appears only 250 volt solutions for above 15 amp power cords

Wouldn't surprise me if the S5 when it comes out is a 220v only, just hope they don't drop the S3 line.

Don't let this come across as "attacking" anyone:

You fail to realize the S4 COMES WITH A POWER SUPPLY BUILT IN.  YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUY A PSU TO POWER THE THING.  We have to buy PSU's to power the 3 or 4 Antminer S3's to get about the same hashing power.  I prefer the S3+ at this point in time.  However, the S4 will probably have a greater resale value down the road if you choose to get out of mining at some point in time.

So, you save money not having to buy PSU.  Their PSU is GOLD rated and not PLATINUM rated like my Corsair AX860's powering my S3's.

Also, someone made a good point about the "watts consumed at the wall."  Approximately 1400 watts OR 1380 watts to be exact when you multiply the .69 watts x 2,000 GH/s.

TRY putting two of these on a 20 AMP circuit; EVEN WHEN YOU REPLACE THE STANDARD 15 AMP RECEPTACLE (OUTLET) WITH A 20 AMP OUTLET.  You would only be able to put ONE of these bad boys on that ONE 20 AMP OUTLET.  20 AMPS will drive 2400 WATTS.

Do the math:  1400 watts x 2 Bitmain Antminer S4's is 2800 WATTS.  The 12/2 wire will get too hot.  IF you have 14/2, YOUR HOUSE WILL BURN DOWN if the breaker doesn't trip!

SOLUTION:

RUN 10/3 wire [Rated at 30 AMPS] to a 30 AMP OUTLET [NEMA L-14-30-R (circular/4 prong)].  IT MUST BE NEMA L-14-30-R/CIRCULAR.  OTHERWISE, IT WILL NOT ALLOW THE NEXT THING I MENTION TO PLUG INTO IT.


http://www.homedepot.com/p/Pass-Seymour-30-Amp-Self-Grounding-Locking-Single-Outlet-Receptacle-Black-L1430RCCV3/100155901?N=5yc1vZc33aZ1z11vjb#specifications



THEN GET THE FOLLOWING EXTENSION CORD [3 ft. Generator 30 Amp 4-prong to 15-20 Amp (x2) Y-Adapter] TO PLUG INTO THE NEMA L-14-30-R OUTLET:

This extension cord splits INTO TWO 20 AMP PLUGS to plug in two Bitmain Antminer S4's.  It's only 3 feet but it gets the job done.


http://www.homedepot.com/p/Rodale-3-ft-Generator-30-Amp-4-prong-to-15-20-Amp-x2-Y-Adapter-G30AM420AY/202669114?N=5yc1vZc4neZ1z11vjb




DON'T FORGET THE DOUBLE POLE 30 AMP BREAKER.

http://www.homedepot.com/s/double%2520pole%252030%2520amp%2520breaker?NCNI-5


Problem solved; IF YOU HAVE THE S4's in mind.  Now you have 30 AMP circuit [3600 watts] for the 2800 watts required for two S4's

David

Exactly and now you have spent more money then buying your 2 1000w gold psu's for powering your s3+ and still spent 1 btc more fore same hash rate to get a .001 better efficency anyone who buys s4 is doing it wrong unless you already have the infrastructure it is not home miner friendly at all and with 5% diff jumps will mine 2.45 btc before un profitable so upside down it will always be i was really hoping for a 2 btc price point and a home friendly setup but they are pushing there hosting thru hashnest supa hard atm Grin
2756  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 07, 2014, 03:58:25 AM
Well, dude who asked, "What is the explanation for BTC going down" deleted his question.

LOL

FOUND IT:

Has anybody seen what's been happening to the BTC price lately?  Yikes!!
Does anyone have any theories as to why this is happening?
2757  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 07, 2014, 03:44:48 AM
What did I tell you:

I KNEW we were due a block [2014-10-07 03:28:10]

03:41:11 this time yesterday after a 5 hour dry spell.
2758  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 07, 2014, 03:38:16 AM

That is THE WALL I was talking about!  It got as high as about 20,000 in that picture you provide in the link on STAMP.

I wish I had about $300,000 US.  I would have bought into that WALL last night for $300.00.  At $335.69 now; I would be up $33,500 right now.  However, I would sit on it.  IT IS DESTINED TO GO UP MUCH MUCH HIGHER.

THAT is why I'm sitting on the BTC I mine till it goes up.
2759  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 07, 2014, 03:32:26 AM
Here's an explanation for the price dip we just went thru...

http://[Suspicious link removed]/1repIe5


Some whales (BIG FISH) were purposely selling all of a sudden to create a panic sell to get the price down so they can buy back at a lower price to accumulate more coin.  It is destined for $550 to $600 range between December and February.  We had a BIG WALL of 19,000 at one point on STAMP last night at midnight [BIG FISH asking $300.00 for 1 BTC].

I watch the exchanges quite a bit late at night.  The BIG swings normally occur between 12 midnight and 6:00am Central (Chicago) Time.  That is when a lot of the BIG whales from China are in the game to sell off huge amounts all of a sudden to create a panic for those who do not know any better; only to buy back when the price is lower to accumulate more coin.

I saw several who would sell 1000 BTC and buy it right back 15 seconds later on STAMP.  I WATCHED the order book last night on STAMP.  Again, they did this to make people THINK it was a PANIC sell off to manipulate the price down for those who do not know any better; and THEN buy it back at a lower price to accumulate more coin.  However, THE BIG BEARS NO BETTER.  Many BIG BEARS sold when the BIG WHALES did at about $325.00; THEN the BIG BEARS BOUGHT BACK IN at $300.00 to accumulate more coin.

Serioiusly...   We have a LOT of BIG players who KNOW BTC is here to stay are going to pump it up here slowly over the next couple of months.  Most of the big sell offs occur on the weekend.  I believe part of them selling off are BIG mining farms in China and elsewhere.  Happens almost every weekend here lately.
2760  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [9000 TH] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + VarDiff on: October 07, 2014, 03:16:22 AM
The first block we hit yesterday (10/06/14) was at 03:41:11 hours Slush's time and it took 5 hours 40 minutes to hit it.  It has been almost 5 hours now since our last block.  That means we MIGHT hit a block here shortly.  It is 03:18 hours Slush's time at the moment.

Pool luck (1 day, 7 days, 30 days):   222%, 165%, 127%

Approx. cluster performance (30 min average):   7979089 Ghash/s (7.979089 PH/s)  
5 hours, 10 minutes to find a block at this hashing power (can vary greatly depending on your luck)
We are definitely due one...

Bitcoin Difficulty:   34,661,425,924
Estimated Next Difficulty:   35,984,905,151 (+3.82%) 
5 hours, 22 minutes at the new estimated difficulty at present hashing power of 7.979089 PH/s  (can vary greatly depending on your luck)
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