I don't have a strong opinion on it one way or the other. I don't find that there is anything overwhelmingly special about it, however the psychological effect of having millions of coins over fractions of a BTC is at the very least a neat feeling. I bought 80,000,000 IFC for a few Litecoins a while back, and just used them to gamble sort of like play tokens. I enjoyed being able to play dice games and blackjack with thousands of coins on a single bet. Whether this equates to anything I dont know, but its sort of enjoyable to see that you are up a million coins. And if you are down a million coins, you can bat an eye at it, as its just a few bucks.

I don't hold them anymore, but it was fun. I might buy some more for that purpose again at some point, but with something like IFC, you might as well buy a few million coins for your pocket change, and just see if you like them or not. If you gain something, great. If you lose a few dollars, would you really mind?

My biggest regret is selling thousands of coins sub $1. My initial $900 investment would have set me up to never have to work a day in my life.

I agree, with Keefe. If he shipped the units knowing that they were fully working, and are no longer working properly, at least give Keefe a reasonable opportunity to help fix the situation. Thats how customer service works. If I purchased a laptop from Dell, and something was screwy with it, I'd call Dell tech support before returning it for a refund, and hopefully they would get everything worked out.

I'm definitely not making any personal judgements here, but as OgNasty said, the part where you were helping, and their, Laptop Battery died, and didn't respond after that sounds a lot like the person just wants a refund due to a change in heart over wanting the mining equipment. How hard is it to plug in the laptop and send a pm via the forums or over skype saying something like, "can we work on this later, I'm going to be busy until Friday" and jumpinging the gun repackaging it sounds a little off to me as well.

Of course, this is assuming all of this information is accurate, as we haven't heard from the other person yet. Anyway, just my personal opinion, would be for OgNasty to hold the funds a bit longer, and allow Keefe a reasonable chance at helping to fix the situation as he seemed to be interested in doing in their first place, if there is one.

I used strongly a fair bit. Accept for the things I didn't have too much of an opinion on or didn't completely agree or disagree with. In which case I went to the respective regular agree or disagree depending on which I was slightly teetering toward more.

Economic Left/Right: 0.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.38

Meh, kind of dissapointed, just about like everything else in my life, I'm fairly neutral. I don't care what people do as long as they aren't effecting me in some way or the other. I don't care if people are gay, I don't want regulators doing what the average individual can figure out for themselves, and I think that the individual should be completely entitled to what they have if they can go out and get their own. The wealthy often times deserve to be wealthy and the lazy are often broke. Of course, there are exceptions, such as the spoiled entitled celebrities that have never done anything (Paris Hilton) and the hard working individual stuck in a middle or lower class rut. I'm pro local government. I'm fine with paying taxes for services that I'm recieving, clean drinking water, sanitation services, etc, but the collective communities taxes should go toward 95+% funding those things, and paying wages to the workers that provide them, with a 1-5% excess that can be kept for a rainy day or something like that.

Just sent payment for 4 coins.

Status: 0/unconfirmed, broadcast through 5 nodes
Date: 10/18/2013 21:46
To: OgNasty Cas Group Buy 168WXhArv7Fasqvi2xm5MQMfLhG18jifMe
Debit: -7.12 BTC
Transaction fee: -0.001 BTC
Net amount: -7.121 BTC
Transaction ID: f1a5fe9ff797e71364ba59de01bee9a1f924030e989fd578b644292618f69afa


https://blockchain.info/tx/f1a5fe9ff797e71364ba59de01bee9a1f924030e989fd578b644292618f69afa

Thanks, we will be in touch 

I'd be in for 2-3

I don't really think the red numbers mean that much. I find the trust system to be more like a personal feedback/suggestion system. If you see someone has negative trusted someone else, you go to the reference, and if its BS you disregard it. That or if someone has been neg'd by Sock9001 I tend to not pay that much attention to that rating either. I'm not sure if the system was meant to work this way, but I believe its evolved into a system where people just leave their thoughts/opinions, and a few times real scam accusations, and whoever is going to make a deal with them is in charge of judging the validity of their trust rating themselves. Even John K has a few negative feedback ratings, and the guy does dare I say tens of thousands of BTC in escrows. The people named NewAccount90210 that say that JohnK scammed them out of 1 BTC tend not to get me to believe it. Just like everything else in this community, you get to judge the validity of peoples claims.

Hehe, it would be funny if they ended up selling the BTC after the trial at MTGox, and then had the money stuck for years because of their own regulations.

I'm a fan of the show. I liked Season 1,2, and early Season 3. What bothered me and I'm guessing a lot of other people, is that after a while, the zombies became just an inconvience, rather than a threat. When they got into the whole Prison Vs. Woodbury fight, it became person vs person, rather than people vs zombies. Twas a little bit boring in my opinion. If I want to see person vs person conflict, I'll just watch daytime television or any other show that has ever aired. I think with season 4 they are going back to people vs. Zombies.

The key is that radical environmentalists/feminists are annoying. I'm pro recycling/sustainable practices/anti littering, and pro equal rights/equal pay etc, but those people who tell me that I'm a bad person for not driving a hybrid, or that think that women deserve to be better than men due to past descrimination, are the stereotype that people have come to hate. Not to turn this into a religious debate, but for example theres nothing exciting about a Muslim family doing their religious things in their own homes and places of worship, however the things that radicals do are what people hear about, and thats what sticks as common perception.

I don't especially think the price of BTC will increase because of it, however I'm curious as to what will ACTUALLY happen if the U.S defaults. People speculate a lot of things, however its one thing to guess, and another to see. I'm half hoping they do default to scratch my curiosity, however it could cause issues that I don't especially want to happen. So I just am going to go with what happens happens.

If anything, this situation has taught "normal" folks that the government can screw up. So hopefully those 50 year old people who follow the U.S Gov blindly and just assume that everything is for the best, will start to develop a new Nixon era skeptism.

I don't believe it matters that much as far as publicity. We didn't have any intention in trying to make the coin stronger or weaker with this thread. If people want to support it, I don't really mind, nor do I especially care if it dies. Really, the only thing that decides if it lives or dies is the dev/dev team, how useful the coin is, and how many people think its worthwhile to use it. There is no, "This coin is being censored! Fight back against censorship!" mentality, because its not like its banned from existing, we just didn't want it harming/confusing this specific forum's members. None of the staff really feels one way or the other about Scrypt Bitcoin in itself. What we do care about is people losing their coins, and secondly, not to sound lazy or anything like that, but realistically, how much trouble the coin is going to cause for the Bitcointalk members and by proxy, moderation staff. If people are getting scammed left and right, we are going to hear about it. If the coin is interfering at all with your BTC wallet, the hardware section is going to hear it, and so on and so on.

As I said before and I know you have read it, but just to reiterate, since the known info now is that the coin will most likely not delete your Bitcoin wallet, we are discussing the ban again. If it stays banned, I'll make sure to give you the up to date info as to why its banned. If its no longer banned, we would go back to the disclaimer system.

Just as you believed me about our original intentions, I hope that you believe that this wasn't a publicity stunt. Of all of the coins that are out there, if I was an unfair and quickly fired mod, first, I wouldn't have consulted with the rest of the staff first. I also probably would have propped up another coin, especially one that I was holding. As it sits, the only coins that I'm holding are Bitcoin, Litecoin, and Craftcoins. Bitcoins because thats what I got into first, Litecoin because that was the first alt coin I supported throughly (besides Solidcoins), even before I came a mod here, and Craftcoin because Blindfolded is a buddy of mine, and I played the original Litecoin minecraft server before it was converted to a Craftcoin server. I don't hold any Scrypt Bitcoins, I don't know if any staff members do, and the only people involved that I know about are Fablio and one other person who's name alludes me. I and the staff team have nothing against the Scrypt Bitcoin's users, or dev, and to my knowledge nothing to gain from banning or advertising Scrypt Bitcoin, so there aren't any secret scandalous reasons for the ban just exactly what we had previously discussed is what I posted for reasons for the ban. And as I said, I'll post update reasons for the ban or reasons for a disclaimer once we have come to a new agreement.

And just to give the real stats, I haven't had to delete any Scrypt Bitcoin2 threads/posts yet. I asked Fablio to lock his Scrypt Bitcoin giveaway thread, and one other person to lock their announcement thread, but I have never had to actually delete anything thusfar.

I'm not sure how much of a debate this is, I do value everyone's opinions, but ultimately its going to be the staff/admins who decide. If any good points are raised, I'd be sure to add those to the discussion, but leaving it up to the Alt Coin majority, to decide on something that has the potential to effect the entire forum, whether positively or negatively, is something I feel would be best decided between the 30+ Staff members, who have no biass in the matter other than how it will effect the boards they moderate.

The legit reasons of the time, were due to the warnings by those initially releasing download links to the coin. As I posted earlier today, the first "official" Scrypt BTC thread had this warning.

IMPORTANT NOTE

Installing the wallet:  Since this is an EXACT copy of Bitcoin when you install the client it will attempt to use the existing bitcoin roaming (windows) folder.  You're going to need to rename the Bitcoin SHA-256 roaming folder to something else to use the Bitcoin Scrypt client.  BEWARE, this could destroy your wallet if you start mining Bitcoin Scrypt using the Bitcoin SHA-256 wallet.dat file.

Also, CryptoCoinTalk.com just posts cryptocoin releases.  Don't shoot the messenger.



If you check on Page two an excerpt from Fablio's post, as a Scrypt Bitcoin supporter.


2. There is an instruction how to install wallet:
"IMPORTANT NOTE
Installing the wallet:  Since this is an EXACT copy of Bitcoin when you install the client it will attempt to use the existing bitcoin roaming (windows) folder.  You're going to need to rename the Bitcoin SHA-256 roaming folder to something else to use the Bitcoin Scrypt client.  BEWARE, this could destroy your wallet if you start mining Bitcoin Scrypt using the Bitcoin SHA-256 wallet.dat file."
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3. Soon will be renamed version (Bitcoin2) for convenience. Of course you do not lose your coins.




So as I said, the original reason behind the ban was because the evidence was that the coin could damage your SHA BTC Wallet. As it stands, yes it still does, however it doesn't completely overwrite your keys. That was the reason it was banned. Prior to that info, we just had people put disclaimers in their threads.



My post to be discussed by the staff:

A point that gmaxwell brought up which I find particularly relevant,


There are still the other issues that I posted originally which was the general consensus that lead us to request that everyone used disclaimers to signify they were talking about Scrypt Bitcoin, however like I said we are discussing everything again. At this point, I would personally return to the disclaimer section, however, its not entirely my call as I don't feel that I should impose my personal judgements on anyone. Thats what leads to unnecessary abuse and overall jerkery. For that reason, I've opened up the discussion with the rest of the staff, and I'm waiting for others feedback. I have my own ideas, but I value the opinions of the rest of the forums staff.

There are a lot of staff and adminstrators that have no other reach into the Alt Coin community, so their opinions are solely based on how great the potential for abuse is and how it will effect the BTCTalk members and their BTC. No one is afraid of Scrypt taking over, or that Scrypt BTC will outcompete SHA BTC or the other odd claims that some people are making. If that was the case, we wouldn't allow any Scrypt Coins, which clearly isn't the case. There are no alterior motives, I've listed all of the factors that lead to the decision, with the commonly held knowledge that Scrypt BTC could damage your SHA BTC keys. Now that that has been more or less proven untrue, discussion is back open.

I'll pass, I'm not implying anything, but how many Millions of BTC did Pirateat40 deal in before he defaulted? Past transactions aren't a very good indication of trustworthiness is what history has shown us.

You may have enough reputation to get an 8 BTC loan, however trust/confidence loans are pretty well out of fashion now, and collateral is just about always mandatory so you may want to think about investing in something like that for next time you need a loan for additional advertising etc.

That being said, if your request sounded fishy, Vod and TomatoCage would already be smothering you, so I'm not speaking about you personally. 

Good luck

Going off of the original Bitcoin Scrypt thread, when it was first posted on Cryptocointalk, it had this message which I quoted and had in the staff section for people's opinions.


IMPORTANT NOTE

Installing the wallet:  Since this is an EXACT copy of Bitcoin when you install the client it will attempt to use the existing bitcoin roaming (windows) folder.  You're going to need to rename the Bitcoin SHA-256 roaming folder to something else to use the Bitcoin Scrypt client.  BEWARE, this could destroy your wallet if you start mining Bitcoin Scrypt using the Bitcoin SHA-256 wallet.dat file.

Also, CryptoCoinTalk.com just posts cryptocoin releases.  Don't shoot the messenger.


It now says,

IMPORTANT NOTE

Installing Bitcoin Scrypt will not delete your SHA Bitcoin folder, it will just integrate with it, so when you run the SHA version, your Scrypt BTC will be unconfirmed and not usable and vice versa.


So it seems you are right, it will not erase the wallet. I'll open the staff discussion back up and see how people feel. I'm still guessing BTC2 still won't be allowed for the other reasons. Others felt the name was fraudulent etc etc,  however that risk of wallet damage is the main factor that changed our opinions from allowing it with a disclaimer, to banning it all together, so we shall see.
 

I'm interested, do you have collateral or is this solely a trust based loan?

Mine just keep telling me that I should cash out. They somewhat understand it, but they are under the impression that the U.S Gov will shut it down once they figure out they can't get their tax money off of it. I told them that I did cash out. At $2 per coin which would have made me a millionaire today.

I really don't know.

edit* And no it wont get you banned, I said in the OP, that the threads would be removed. I'm not heartless, I just dont want to see people lose their money on something that is incredibly preventable and completely unnecessary.


And no, if there is a thread about formating your HDD, if people had absolutely no clue what it did, they probably wouldn't use it. And if they went ahead and tried it, your OS tells you to back everything up as it will be lost/deleted. If there was a thread that said download Bitcoin (Scrypt Bitcoin), thats a fair bit more confusing, especially to people who don't know what alt currencies are. If you went into a thread that said Download Bitcoin, or even Download Scrypt Bitcoin, with a download link I would bet almost everyone would check it for viruses/wallet stealers. However, having it overwrite your Bitcoin wallet isn't something that people know to check for as it hasn't been a worry up until now.

The possibility of having your wallet overwritten isn't something that would trip up one or two people, its something that I'd be willing to place a wager would catch the majority of people. This is the first time anyone has ever made a coin with the exact same name, and even more, being upset when not being allowed to post about it on a forum dedicated to the coin they are copying and potentially harming strikes me a little odd. To the people that are complaining, I highly advise rereading the OP where I specifically say it has to do with the coin's name. I have no prejudice against the creator of the coin, nor its supporters. I challenge anyone to find any coin that I've treated unfairly and give me a logical reason why the forum staff would ban the mention of this coin, if not for the reasons I gave in the first place. If people want to make a stink out of what I believe is a pretty reasonable and concise decision, be my guest, however posting it here is not ideal.

Like I said, if you have any further questions, pm works best. Then we don't need to bump the thread, and you can still get an answer to any question you still have.

My initial guess was that it was someone with a fairly sizeable amount of cash, who wanted to buy Bitcoins cheap. Just my opinion anyway, is that it was someone who sold their BTC high right after the SR news, saw the price go down by $40 per coin, and stood to make thousands if not more by panicking people further and dropping the BTC price more before buying in.

That or just because they felt like it.