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2761  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 06, 2015, 06:23:44 PM
this is whom yall chose to place your faith in  Huh

2762  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 06, 2015, 04:16:41 PM
as Andreas says, "prepare to lose all your money!"  

same Andreas who vouched for NeoBee?

same Andreas who broke everything while at blockchain.info?

same Andreas who's spreading wallet hacking malware on twitter?

Yep. sure making his best effort to lose people money.

That guy is an oblivious douche. I wouldn't want him on my side other than to gather some more reddit derp "support"
2763  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 05, 2015, 10:09:11 PM
Urgency begins before the sky is falling. Only limited brains would wait until the sky is falling.

When and how do you project the sky to fall?
2764  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 05, 2015, 09:45:05 PM

PT is getting trashed in the rest of the comment section those who seem sick of him are getting very highly upvoted

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fuz2s/peter_todd_against_gavin_on_the_bitcoindev/

I think this whole blocksize "debate" has opened a lot of people's eyes.

Peter Todd is 'toxic' and a poisonous peep because he asks that people quote him correctly and not invent his arguments for him.  LOL.  I don't follow reddit much but when I do I inevitably find it even more useless than our little trolltalk here.



that anyone would give credence to the mob on there shows the desperation some are experiencing.

if you have followed the dev list for the past 2 months you know exactly what Todd was talking about.
2765  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 05, 2015, 09:30:11 PM

PT is getting trashed in the rest of the comment section those who seem sick of him are getting very highly upvoted

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fuz2s/peter_todd_against_gavin_on_the_bitcoindev/

I think this whole blocksize "debate" has opened a lot of people's eyes.

In all honestly PT is probably tired that Gavin is trolling the dev list non stop and just jealous for attention Smiley

2766  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 05, 2015, 02:18:54 AM
so if I understand correctly Peter's "landmark paper" rise to the top was.."short like leprechaun".

http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/009916.html

a valiant effort I guess. getting some more peer-review probably would've been of better judgment?

ps. I'm not against you "crowd-sourcing" your grammar but I thought the whole exercise on reddit made your thread unreadable.

I don't see how proportion of hash rate has anything to do with orphan rate.  Each broadcast block has the same chance of being orphaned as the next broadcast block, regardless of your proportion of hashrate, with network speed and connectivity being the only major variable.  He needs to show some peterr-style analysis.

Yes, that is precisely the point :

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Ignoring many other issues related to uncapped block sizes, this demonstrates that, in network topologies where the majority of the malicious actions of a single miner can be sufficient to drive the poorly connected minority hashrate out of business, without negatively impacting the revenue of the malicious actor.

https://github.com/DavidVorick/Simulations/blob/master/Unlimited%20Blocksize/main.go
2767  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 05, 2015, 12:39:48 AM
so if I understand correctly Peter's "landmark paper" rise to the top was.."short like leprechaun".

http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/009916.html

a valiant effort I guess. getting some more peer-review probably would've been of better judgment?

ps. I'm not against you "crowd-sourcing" your grammar but I thought the whole exercise on reddit made your thread unreadable.
2768  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 04, 2015, 08:35:09 PM
this has my attention

http://morph.is/v0.1/

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At this point of its early stages, MORPHiS is a global encrypted distributed datastore intended to replace the cloud for storage and far more. This first release also includes DMAIL (distributed mail), inherently spam resistant, inherently encrypted, uncensorable, free distributed messaging.

MORPHiS is simple to run, accessible to everyone: Download, double click, and your web browser now opens a window viewing the root MORPHiS UI page where you can already browse and upload to the next generation of the Internet - MORPHiS.

Through the power of distributed technology MORPHiS is software run by each of us to create an independent network that requires no centralized servers or control. Upload files to the network via the web browser, SSH client, or use "mcc", the command line MORPHiS UI.

MORPHiS is also a start to the foundational layer for The World Brain. It is a project that aims at a future of truly free and open dialogue, knowledge and ideas, not only on the web, but in our everyday lives.

If MORPHiS is successful, I believe it has the potential to connect us all on a trust based system via the next generation of the internet; deprecating necessary evil, making mass government surveillance impossible, and not to mention, the future possibility of dissolving human conflict into unity. Until then, it deprecates: email, bittorrent, youtube, the internet, etc.

I am doing this all for free for all humanity because I hate evil. I am morally opposed to slavery in every form, including the covert economic slavery powered by lies that is used today in all nations that claim they do not allow slavery.

Most important is that this project isn't about one person, or even a few. It's about all of us, working together to create the world we want to live in, free from corruption, slavery, evil and manipulation; a vision many have thought impossible, until now.
2769  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 04, 2015, 06:33:20 PM
On an unrelated note I've rarely seen a company drop the ball like blockchain.info.

Can someone tell me what the hell these guys are doing with their funding? It seems everytime I read about them is because they broke something once again.
2770  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 04, 2015, 06:26:55 PM
I've tried really hard to try and see the opposing POV but I come up short every time, and I think that's because I can't understand the philosophy behind making BTC some elitist tool when it seemed right from the outset that it was anything but.

If that makes me part of the "free-shit" army, then so be it. I'm not (yet) so morally bankrupt that I think that my well being can only come at the expense of others. That's what cripplecoin sounds like, thats why I don't want any part of it.

You aren't trying that hard if you can't read and understand this fairly simple, single sentence summation of the opposing POV:

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The true value that Bitcoin brings to the table is not "everyone gets to write into the holy ledger", it is instead "everyone gets to benefit from sane and non-inflationary financial instutions whose sanity and honesty are ensured by the holy blockchain".

Where in Davout's statement is the "moral bankruptcy?"  All I see is economic literacy and an understanding of the technical limitations of scaling Bitcoin I/O.

Where in Davout's statement is the desire for well being coming "at the expense of others?"  All I see is a workable plan for radical inclusion ("everyone gets to benefit"), albeit not in the manner preferred by those with atrociously paltry understandings of Bitcoin and economics.

Who are these financial institutions, and why do assume they are necessary. You seem to ignore the fact that bitcoin is money. Its a medium of exchange, a unit of account, a store of value. The blockchain facilitates these things. Your financial institutions are an unnecessary complexity, the blockchain doesn't need financial institutions it *is* the institution.

Your summation quite clearly reveals some other agenda. You know that increasing the block size undermines it, so you are fighting tooth and nail to try and prevent it.


I'm guessing you don't quite understand the nuances behind the idea icebreaker is trying to lead you to.. or maybe you outright disagree. Here is Peter Wuille's version of the same logic:

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I see centralization and scalability as a trade-off, and for better or for worse, the block chain only offers one trade-off. I want to see technology
built on top that introduces lower levels of trust than typical fully centralized systems, while offering increased convenience, speed, reliability, and scale. I just don't think that all of that can happen on the lowest layer without hurting everything built on top.
We need different trade-offs, and the blockchain is just one, but a very fundamental one.
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/009908.html
2771  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 03, 2015, 09:46:51 PM

Uh... you do realize this is just some jo dad with a stupid reddit user name, not the Winklevii.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
2772  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 03, 2015, 08:53:26 PM
uh oh, Blockstream pissing off some of the most important early adopters in the space:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fhik9/mike_hearn_outlines_the_most_compelling_arguments/ctosiaz

i smell doom.

 Huh

is this a joke
2773  Economy / Speculation / Re: PnF TA on: August 03, 2015, 07:49:07 PM
that long term bull trend line really added some colour. Might be the line to watch now.

TPTB so you see gold stay low tilll March next year?

I'm inlcined to see it your way. Can't see bitcoin go up massively if gold is going down.

Great discussion everyone!

this is a curious thing to say

2015 tells a different story.  Orange line is XAUUSD

2774  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 03, 2015, 06:36:48 AM
Well look what we have here  Shocked
2775  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 03, 2015, 04:03:00 AM



On a serious side note, if mark gets jailed in japan... well even he doesnt deserve that...

oh, I think he does.  The lives he ruined is one thing, but he caused more damage to our project than any other single person. Bitcoin may be the only thing that saves our children from living in a vastly poorer world. If it is, and mass adoption was delayed by about a year or two because of him, the loss of potential benefit is incalculable.

The Mt.Gox fiasco was a blessing in disguise. A necessary cold shower for everyone involved in security malpractices and general amateurism in the space.
2776  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 03, 2015, 03:59:29 AM
2MB iCE and tvbcof?

We can build a bridge from the middle of the river?

What's the point?  If you want a universal crypto-currency which everyone uses for everything, do the calcs and do it.  If not, define where you want to draw the line (at what threshold do you kick people out and where do you kick them out to) and do that.  For some reason nobody wants to put any real numbers on any of that stuff.  Funny eh?



Being everything for everyone is silly, I agree. But 2MB (max not avg) seems manageable for a vast majority current nodes. Seems satoshi's vision was scaling up where technologically feasible and reasonable, while maintaining sufficient decentralization.

What happens when we hit the 2MB limit?
2777  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 03, 2015, 12:16:18 AM
don't you find yourself lame as hell quoting someone who's also getting pounded with downvotes?  and of all ppl, Troll davout-bc himself?   you're hurting your own case  Cheesy

The only thing "lame as hell" is lending any credibility to reddit.

At this point I can only imagine you are trolling.

how do you measure consensus?

here  Cheesy :


2778  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 02, 2015, 11:48:00 PM
don't you find yourself lame as hell quoting someone who's also getting pounded with downvotes?  and of all ppl, Troll davout-bc himself?   you're hurting your own case  Cheesy

The only thing "lame as hell" is lending any credibility to reddit.

At this point I can only imagine you are trolling.
2779  Economy / Speculation / Re: $500,000 per Bitcoin, baby. The math behind it. on: August 02, 2015, 06:56:51 PM
So what if we use more power? It's all supply and demand, if it happens it will because it is worth it.

I guess you have a magical system to increase worldwide energy production overnight ?
And what does "worth it" mean?  If a coin is worth 500K people will spend maybe 450K worth of energy to mine it.
Is it "worth it"?
 

If Bitcoin is the tool that will liberate humanity from dependence on centralized authorities then it most certainly is worth it.
2780  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 02, 2015, 06:53:02 PM
The nature of bitcoin is that if mining becomes too centralized and the miners decide on an unpopular fork, the users can just ignore them (well, we will need some miners, and in the worst case we might have to manually drop the difficulty to keep things running with less hashpower).

As long as the user base disagrees with the change, they don't have to follow along.  More users is more decentralized. The miners only have as much power as we grant them, and we can take it away if necessary.

The fact that you and a couple others try to smash this idea inside everyone's head does not make it more true. If you mean more nodes then granted but more users != more nodes.

When did miners decide on a fork anyway?

I don't see how your comments address any of mine and others' concerns. It seems you're basically saying "if Bitcoin becomes too centralized then we'll just switch to something else"... That's not a very productive argument...
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