so far, this seems like endless ponzi, any news from they Manchester HQ? ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Not yet, you know people, they say they will do something and then they don't ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif)
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can you do forex with nat. gas stocks, $UGAZ or the like?
That doesn't even make any sense. Forex (FX) is trading currency pairs, you can't 'do' it with anything else. If you mean can you trade nat gas etc. thru 1broker, a quick look at their site under "markets" will tell you that you can't.
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1Broker appear to be legit with a track record, just a spreadbet/CFD platform which accepts BTC. Their spreads are industry standard and they will obviously lay off large positions and not trade as a 100% principal on all markets. What government is going to close them down if they're not accepting fiat deposits? One thing I don't like about them is this thread, a newbie lalala bullshit "I have made lots of BTC here" post. Why bother.....? Then I had a closer look at the link "https.//1broker.com/m/r.php?i=4417" ...hidden reff spam Actually, it's a doubly shit thread because AmazonPrincess either obviously doesn't know what she/he/it is talking about or is pretending to be stupid. Either way, it's a bit of a worry becuase he/she/it is shilling for/part of FirstGlobalCredit, direct competitors of 1Broker, unfortunately with a name that sounds like a 90's MLM scam.
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This post is a burning example of misleading information which resulted in the loss of million dollar by naive investors through AM hash scam. No wonder, after the AM hash collapse, OP of that post has become highly inactive and not even updated the latest collapsed cloud mining operations, which clearly shows that the only motto of that post was to spread negativity about others and thereby pushing the AM hash scam. And that post is a burning example of shill in action, continually denigrating a sensible set of parameters for ponzi detection that Puppet outlined originally and are still valid. Why?, because people might read it and think twice about putting money into the shit that OP promotes. AM hash went bang because FriedCat went rogue and ran off with the money. Nothing to do with it being a ponzi, which it wasn't, unlike OP's favourites cloudminr.io and cloudmining.website which his account and thread were specifically made to shill for. Must be about time to fire up Russian/German/Spanish for another of your shill circle jerks.
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BitClub Network now has more than 1% of the ENTIRE Bitcoin mining power in existence.
Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
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We buy contract across market e.g. genesis-mining, scrypt.cc etc. and also trading with bitcoins.
That's three sources of revenue you list which have to add up to 125% guaranteed ROI. 1) Genesis: roi last time I looked was being measured in years. 2) Scrypt.cc: scam in its death throes 3) Trading with bitcoins: doing what?
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.... I'm also taking off cloudmining.website preemptively... ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Brace yourself for abuse from outraged shills. If they post that worthless CMMonitor link again I'll fucking scream ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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so true. it's always the same, and I don't see an end to this. new users float in, get burned, rinse repeat.
yes, sadly, this is how lot of businesses works around bitcoin these days. I can't even imagine, how many "average Joe" guys were burned and spread this info to others. Only experience/knowledge of users and threads like this one had some power to change it, nothing else. Forum administration has both the power (Official Forum rule publication) and the resources (Staff members,moderators, and members that are donating their time to enforce forum rules) to end any form of such businesses or services, and/or to insanely limit their area of operation - but they choose not to do so, thus affecting forum members behavior and indirectly helping such services. Is this attributed to some form of freedom of speech or by some other reason, i don't know, but they do have the power to change this on a major scale. cheers It's Caveat Emptor and a practical thing as well. To be fair, it would open up a whole can of worms if there was any sort of forum approved action, which I'm sure theymos wouldn't want to do.
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I am trying to get a friend who lives near Manchester to drop in at their "Global Headquarters" and see what's what. Watch this space. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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As has been said, Hero accounts are worth a few bucks because signature campaigns know that all their previous posts will carry their advertising, so they get a big exposure in more serious threads as well as depth of time and total post count. They are worth nothing per se in terms of trustability because of the trading of accounts.
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bad custumer services 2 day no respon,,,my deposit idon"t no no money wallet id power88,,very many wallet btc in power88 1 id
Sorry to read about your problem, but if you think you have been scammed then start a Scam Accusation in the right place. This thread was started to provide a basic self help framework to decide whether or not a "cloud miner" was actually a cloud miner or not. I see from your posts that you refer to PB, Scryptsy and Bitcoin Cloud Services investments. Did you actually read and apply any of the guidelines here before you gave these people your money?
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I had a belief CoinTelegraph was different but I was wrong, very wrong! ![Undecided](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/undecided.gif) Did Richard Coleman "buy" Cointelegraph ? Yes and yes. ...I had some impression, that our fight vs scam in this thread made sense, anyway, we are obviously toothless..
Every point that has been raised in this thread is a valid query that any sane investor would make before parting with money. They have been met with hostility and no attempt at engagement by Cloudthink. In the end, people make their own decisions, you can only do what you can do. PS This thread has has over 12,000 hits, that article less than 1% of that.
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I'm in for 30,000 GH/s now. 4-5 more weeks for complete return on investment. Total invested: 26.58 BTC Total Mined: 16.64 BTC Date | | Hashrate | | Payment | | Mined | 2/1/2015 | | 2000 GH/s | | 2.1 BTC | | 2.94663659 BTC | 2/12/2015 | | 2000 GH/s | | 2.1 BTC | | 2.7027797 BTC | 2/28/2015 | | 4000 GH/s | | 4 BTC | | 4.72349675 BTC | 5/8/2015 | | 4000 GH/s | | 3.52 BTC | | 2.05668372 BTC | 5/15/2015 | | 4000 GH/s | | 3.4 BTC | | 1.83999364 BTC | 5/24/2015 | | 3000 GH/s | | 2.55 BTC | | 1.11280908 BTC | 6/22/2015 | | 11000 GH/s | | 8.91 BTC | | 1.26290493 BTC |
I hope this helps anyone that might have concerns about investing. +1 ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I'm just trying to think of anywhere else on this forum (or outside of it) where a brand newbie's post regarding such an amount of BTC, with absolutely no proof, would be accepted at face value. And I can't.
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I love this thread, it should be stickied.
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I already beat you to that joke: ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Lol didn't look at it, and I haven't even got the excuse that it was a blind link ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Sorry Gleb, will behave now. Didn't have you tagged as a TED man, I must admit.
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Why? I know there's a lot of debate about the trust system, but if we've got it, why not use it and display it everywhere? Just had a look at a standard newbie question "Place to invest?" and there's some goon with -32 pushing a ponzi, but his trust doesn't show so there's no indication for the OP that the post is of dubious value. I know Caveat Emptor blah blah but this seems anomalous.
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I like to see a url not a blind link, people are using it to disguise ref links and malicious sites. Example I'm using from 22th April some unknown cloud mining service named: Scryptsy.comIt seems that this site has nothing with Cryptsy exchange. I can say that for now withdraw was everyday and everything was fine. And scores 7/7 on the Ponzimeter. Nice hidden ref link btw.
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Just a clarification about the much used term ROI (return on investment). I just want to make sure everyone's talking about the same thing.
Someone told me the other day that they had bought some hash contract for let's say 1BTC. It is not transferable or resaleable. Its only value is its projected earnings. He was very happy to tell me that, over 4 months, he had cumulatively received back in small payments 1BTC and that his ROI was 100%.
I have a conventional fiat business background and said no, your ROI is 0%. The 'asset' that you paid 1BTC for has no fungible value so it is a -1BTC on your balance sheet, which also contains a +1 from your earnings, equalling zero, which is the ROI you would have if the contract stopped paying now. Up until break even, you are just receiving your own money back.
No need for any abuse here (probably get it anyway), it's a serious question because I can see some newbies seeing claims of 150% ROI meaning 150% profit.
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