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2761  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is it possibleTrump Will Prohibit Bitcoin? on: June 23, 2020, 02:58:39 PM
President Trump's attitude, which tends to be anti-Bitcoin, has raised the discourse that he could forbid the ownership of Bitcoin for citizens of the United States (US) in the future.

This discourse is based on two possibilities, namely Trump's tweet in 2019, that Trump is not a Bitcoin lover and second is a recognition of Trump's similar attitude, as stated in the book by John Bolton, a former White House security adviser.

Responding to the discourse of a possible ban on Bitcoin ownership, many people say the most likely action is an aggressive step by the government in dealing with laundering crimes related to Bitcoin and other crypto assets. Direct banning seems impossible, because Bitcoin is practically outside the structure of the country.

He won't just ban the usage of Bitcoins in the upcoming years , he wants to take the investors of Bitcoins and divert them into a digital dollar .

It is not just trump , most leaders in many countries like China and India too , have stamped Bitcoins as an opportunity, an opportunity where they can easily diverge the investors once they cut off the market of one option.

It's not that simple , They view cryptocurrencies as a Threat.I do think there is likely some intricate plan going on where the officials have decided to ban Bitcoins not just in one country but in many more.

Plus added security in the wallets , demanding KYC is just providing the government with the names of people involved in it , so that they can somehow control the lot.

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If bitcoins are received as payment for providing any goods or services, the holding period does not matter. They are taxed and should be reported, as ordinary income. 4 Federal tax on such income may range from a 10% to 37% marginal tax rate. 5 Additionally, there may be state income taxes to be paid.


This is taken directly from the investopedia. Now the reason they aren't banning it might be two :
1. They are a good source of Income for the government too .
2. They might themselves be made by the government ~
[ I do think the first one implies ]

They won't ban something till it's profitable for them.

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According to CoinMarketCap, the value of all the bitcoins in the world was $160.4 billion as of March 4, 2020


Now this is a whole lot of money .
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2763  Economy / Economics / Re: An interesting case of a widespread misconception on: June 23, 2020, 07:34:20 AM
A lot of posters on the forum love to come up with figures showing how much the dollar (the American dollar, obviously) has depreciated over time, like 1 dollar in 1913 was worth 1000 dollars today (or whatever), with the general idea being that "the grass was greener and the light brighter back in the day"

However, what these forum members forget to account for is the rise in wages during the same time span. And the irony is that wages in the US have been outperforming inflation since WWII, barring a few rather short periods. It basically means that people become wealthier over years despite a declining dollar

So much for dollar inflation
Let's make something clear . US is a wealthy county , a developed one at that matter. When we are taking about Inflation and wages , we need to look at the developing and the underdeveloped countries where situations are becoming very dire.
We all know how to dispose hazardous chemicals : Neutralize them , set their temperature normal , release them through a filter chamber . But what does these wealthy countries do might surprise you .
They pay the developing countries to throw these wastes in their mountains and forests because they apparently have a lot of it , which causes a lot of biodiversity change.
Due to this unfair inflation , Rich is becoming Richer and Poor is becoming Poorer might be quite true.
It's not just one country we are talking about. Quite the opposite* It's all of them * .
That is why people migrate to those countries for better jobs , better wages , better opportunities and education. Your statement might be true but at the same time you are not even consider *Competition* .
So many Graduates fight for a single job , with the increase in population and resources , education and other exams have made it very tough to get into one. It's not just about one job .
Do you know how many people are jobless let alone in the US?
Millions !!
2764  Local / Press & News from India / Warning! on: June 22, 2020, 01:23:45 PM
https://www.livemint.com/technology/tech-news/govt-warns-of-serious-phishing-attack-starting-today-beware-of-this-email-id-11592718991047.html

One should always understand the value of security , apparently Hacking is something that is a big threat to all the crypto holders and one should always take extra measures regarding the same.

Phishing is something that everyone is taught about in ethical hacking , but it is nothing but a carelessness from our sides.

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There is an imminent threat of a massive phishing attack in India, according to the Cert-In. The new phishing attack could imitate government organisations and can steal sensitive personal data and financial information

Beware and store your coins safely.
2765  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Movie about SATOSHI Nakamoto on: June 22, 2020, 05:46:53 AM
https://news.bitcoin.com/satoshi-nakamoto-crypto-new-movie-decrypted/

Apparently according to the news there is a new Movie which is going to be released in regards to Mr. SATOSHI Nakamoto. Apparently he is being tortured by NSA , kidnapped to give useful information to the government so that they can successfully destroy the cryptocurrencies.

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An outrageous and provocative dark comedy about a mismatched NSA team who kidnap the creator of Bitcoin ⁠— Satoshi Nakamoto ⁠— and attempt to torture him for the information they need to destroy crypto-currencies

What's bothering me is :
Meaning of decrypt
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verb
make (a coded or unclear message) intelligible.
"the computer can be used to encrypt and decrypt sensitive transmissions"
noun
a text that has been decoded.
"he passed the raw decrypts to Moscow, but denies that he was a spy


Now this is straight from Google '
Does the movie title signifies something??

Is the National security agency capable of doing something like that ? - I do think that we can be sure of since we have seen time and again that these agencies abuses power to an extent that they are hurting the people they are supposed to protect.

- Now does it mean the person who actually helped all of us in various Sectors was seriously tortured by a government agency ( seems true , I don't support hoe government works now a days ) ?

We don't know how it ended , but we should give this movie our support even though it's true/not true , I do think this would be first movie on a big scale all about Bitcoins.

2766  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What is the Best Bitcoin wallet? on: June 21, 2020, 10:09:55 PM
I do not think you will reach a right answer because there are many things you have to consider before making a statement.

Do you have a small investment ? Or a considerably large one ?

For big investments ofcourse without doubt you need to use a hardware wallet or a paper wallet .

For small investments you then need to state your country
. Then one need to see if the wallet does provide exchange services, does it need KYC or not ? Is it credible , how are the reviews?

One cannot just ask this question straight away .

I would like you to suggest Samourai for the time being if you have not yet considered getting a real wallet , then I do think you can then look for more options in your country. Check the things in the local board.

Mobile wallets now a days do provide even exchange services. I do think that is best for timely trading and investments.

But never store your BTC in an online wallet .
2767  Economy / Economics / Re: world war 3 is coming ...do to coronavirus / economy ... on: June 21, 2020, 07:02:43 PM
world war 3 is coming ...do to coronavirus / economy ...

TV people are saying economy is recovering and that it's all over ...

Well they are lying ...

Real life news :
i seen people selling their services now for 20% of what they charge usually .
Vegetables ,food has become much more expensive , taxes increased ,now around 30% of world population is without a job .
Riots in the USA,UK etc
China - India preparing for war
In my country now they are floods after drought , we supply the world with agricultural products ( same situation for other countries like Poland,Russia,Ukraine etc )
North Korea preparing for war ...
Hyperinflation knocking at our door ...
Europe / Uk problems ( Brexit etc)
  
There is no hiding in gold or crypto ...Question now is how will launch the first ICBM ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyDQs0ajxEc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7qkQewyubs
War is a highly cursed word , one should always remember that *No one Wins a War , Both sides looses*.

I do like to believe that the humans are capable of understanding the fact that a war is all about destruction , It is more of a political issue rather than about people.

I have also seen warnings on news , what's fueling between India and China could start a very bad era . Due to unfortunate access to nuclear Weapons , not just this but upcoming generations will suffer , environment will be destroyed.

Are we capable of paying the price ?
The government might take huge pride in saying *Yes*
They might say *We are ready for a war anytime*

But they do forget that , they are not even close to making sure that 100% people get the emergency care they need during this pandemic.

There should be a LAW stating how *One cannot pursue a War or border conflicts for the time being* . Life is not a joke , since 2011 Syria is facing the consequences. Lets educate people about war more.

*War is never needed*
2768  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin vs. Cash Inflation — A discussion on which is better on: June 21, 2020, 07:03:13 AM
Hi Everyone!

I wanted to start a discussion on Bitcoin vs Cash inflation. This has been a hot topic for discussion in the last few years, so I wanted to create a thread here for everyone to share their thoughts.

To kick off the discussion, I just published a blog post that discusses some thoughts on the topic.

You can find the article here:

Bitcoin vs. Cash Inflation - Which is Better?

What do you think? What are other things to consider when evaluating Bitcoin and cash inflation?

Looking forward to the discussion!

Inflation: Increase in the price of certain goods and commodities.

Now I do think Inflation when it comes to Bitcoins is quite different. Inflation for us is apparently beneficial , beneficial for the holders for everyone. We can always use the SATOSHI or any smaller Currency it needed but I do think the same laws do not apply here.

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When it comes to inflation regarding the money and other commodities, it does reflect on economic situation of a country. There was a time when my mom told me she could but a bunch of stuff with 1/71th $ , like literally a bunch . Now I do think we know what we are dealing with .

It does directly shows the power of a nations currency.  Inflation is essentially bad for the economy, say for example you saved up 100$ years before , you won't get the same value now.

But then again a little inflation with regards to good interest rates for the people would mean that it is beneficial for the long run.

2769  Economy / Economics / Re: Very strange most people like to buy with bitcoin , but using altcoins very few on: June 20, 2020, 02:05:16 AM
Altcoins are not entirely safe , one should understand that even know we might have 1000's of them listed on the internet , what we do know is , only some of them are credible enough to be used for buying/selling/investment. I often tell newbies to be aware of the altcoins , one should always check the spam boards before trying to invest in one , let alone buy stuff with it .
At the same time some altcoins are even better than Bitcoins when it comes to programming and fee , therefore with a good judgement I do think one can find the right one .
Most of the sites does not even let payments being done in Altcoins and therefore it's harder for people to find payment options in Altcoins of their choice. They might now be that popular right now or maybe not that safe as deemed by that particular site.
2770  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin market cap on: June 17, 2020, 10:24:25 AM
I am confused as to why the bitcoin market cap is published to be (today) about $175 billion.  This is calculated by multiplying the current bitcoin price (~$9500) by the number of bitcoins mined (18,406,000).  Yet it is believed that approximately 30% of all bitcoins ever mined have been lost.  if a private key to a bitcoin address has been lost, then the bitcoin in that address should, in my opinion, be erased from the market cap.  It is published in articles that a bitcoin market cap of $1 trillion would equal around $50,000 per bitcoin.  This is a substantial underestimation.  If you factor in a 30% loss of bitcoin, then a   $1 trillion market cap would equal around $77,000 per bitcoin.  Losing a private key is like throwing a gold coin in the ocean.  It can be argued that the gold coin is still there.  But for all intents and purposes, the gold is non-existent, because it would be impossible to recover.  The point I'm making in this post is that bitcoin is much rarer than published.  There are not 18.4 million bitcoins out there.  There are only around 14 million.

The reason why people think that it's lost Bitcoins is : Apparently that wallet has been inactive for a while, we are not really sure of anything. It is not actually possible to get in touch with anyone to confirm that . Who knows if someone is just holding those coins? Who knows if someone just lost their keys and in the near future they can somehow remember it and recover them ?
At the same time there are people who apparently died and someone else tried to steal their coins *Craig Wright* , there can be cases like that too. When any family member discovers the worth they can very easily try and recover since now there is an option of passing on your Bitcoins to some family member, considering it wasn't so in the previous years , I do think wallet company can confirm and do the same.
2771  Local / India / Re: Shocking - With a law, India plans lasting ban on cryptos on: June 17, 2020, 07:47:03 AM
An article from Economic time on 12 June 2020 says,

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India is looking to introduce a law to ban cryptocurrencies, as the government sees a legal framework as being more effective than a circular from the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) in this regard. “A note has been moved (by the finance ministry) for inter-ministerial consultations,” a senior government official told ET.

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A high-level government panel, in July 2019, prepared a draft law providing for a ban on all forms of private cryptocurrencies. It had suggested a fine of up to Rs 25 crore and imprisonment of up to 10 years for anyone dealing in them.

Don't know how to react! This is bad and sad! India is already struggling with freedom of speech under Modi government and now it seems to include financial freedom!

Ref: https://m.economictimes.com/news/economy/policy/with-a-law-india-plans-lasting-ban-on-cryptos/articleshow/76330403.cms
See to tell you the truth , unfortunately This Modi Guy is trying to be a dictator.
BJP is trying to convert the biggest democracy into a dictatorship. They are very unreasonable and at the same time racism is at all time high . What I can get from this is , they are trying to create a big wave of chaos in India after that trying to destroy the base leadership by tackling minority communities .
• Minority religious communities
• Crypto community
Everything is at risk right now . I do live in a different country and therefore I do have options where I can just use my permit to make a local account. But for people living in India situation is very sad.

A lot of them have invested in ICO's !
A lot of them are planning to create one !
We have seen amazing startups in the same year !
Criminal activities are not being fueled by the cryptocurrencies! They need to see the stats !
This is outrageous•

When we all know how the situation of sexual assault is in India , they don't even give those culprits 10 year in jail.

I do think we all need to sign a petition and forward it to the government. At least we can try . If this does not work then we just have to use wallets without KYC and transfer them into an exchange which does not require KYC then somehow get the money in our banks and all .

They cannot stop the revolution!

Cryptocurrencies are a thing of the future. What they will do by being anti-tech?

All they want to do is to force people to buy digital rupee !

In a democracy *You cannot Force*
2772  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Chance to earn Merits for newbies on: June 17, 2020, 07:31:03 AM
As you can see , the Thread have already been updated and 25 people have been given merits already.
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The thread is open for 5 more people .

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Thank you everyone for submitting and thank you everyone for helping me out here . I will continue to announce any openings for the same.
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2773  Economy / Economics / Re: Current Food Shortage and Economic Decline Caused by Pandemic on: June 16, 2020, 02:17:55 PM
As a matter of fact,we are currently experiencing the result of the Covid-19 pandemic through out the world.
There are so many people who are suffering and because most of the people are now unemployed because of many companies either closed or lessen their workers, the lives of the people getting worst.
      Lack of foods and other personal necessities.
      Lack of finances.
      Lack of transportation because of quarantine.
Those are the major problems we are now still facing while the pandemic continue spreading because there is no cure for this virus until now.

What will be the solution for this?
How we can help our government on this current circumstances?
Does bitcoin or any digital currency could help?
What I do think can be done is :
•Support the Local markets , your local sellers who grow e everything in their own Garden , the prices might be a little high but , you are getting safe and Quality Products.
•Look for Online Jobs , because no one can actually live without one for a long time.
•Bitcoins and other cryptocurrencies are providing some opportunities for the same , people are buying/selling services online on platform like these.
•We need to understand that , we need to help ourselves first , therefore we need to save up and stop investing in unnecessary products or services. We need to manage our accounts very well because this is going to be something which will go on for years .

The current economic decline we see is not the worst to come , we will soon enough see banks failing and people not being able to pay their mortgages.

Without any job creation by the government one cannot even apply for one therefore it needs to start by *creating jobs * the government needs to set up manufacturing plants so that they can
1. Employ people
2. Produce their own resources without any need to import

Export/import can serve as a major downfall for the business since it is very easy to spread the virus this way plus due to shortage of resources the prices of imported products are either too high or either the product is unavailable.

2774  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is not only for criminals/bad people and get rich quick! on: June 16, 2020, 10:34:33 AM
Some may disagree, but if you mention the word Bitcoin somewhere outside this forum, those who have heard something about it will probably have some bad associations that will be associated with various financial frauds, ransomware, the term fake money or even the claim that Bitcoin is responsible for climate change (due to mining). There are some truths in all this, but why just point out the bad sides that ordinary money has anyway, when we have very positive examples that not only Bitcoin, but also the people who use it are not bad at all, but on the contrary help the community.

I will only cite a few examples that I have noticed on this forum, and they relate to charity in general terms, but especially with an emphasis on the pandemic caused by the COVID-19 virus.

Someone donated 2 BTC (1 for each charity), which, along with other donations, made it possible to help hundreds of families. And all this, of course, mostly without asking for any recognition and in an anonymous way (as far as donations are concerned).

1 BTC donation & 1 BTC donation
Bitcoin donations saving Italian lives and helping to protect first responders on the frontline.

According to the stats only 10% of the Bitcoins is being used for Foul Purposes . Which means that the rest 90% is actually being used for good reasons.

I do think we need to look for planet friendly Mining resources , for example: Using Air Power to fuel the Mining machine , it would reduce the carbon footprint drastically . In just some years we will see a drastic reduce in mining industry because of scarce supply but I do think we need to take this issue out in the open .

I have seen people commenting how they have been called a criminal and such , the sad thing is the country I belong to actually thinks the same and is thinking about putting a total halt on cryptocurrencies , with a 10 year imprisonment for anyone who uses it.

I have seen people come here with a dream of becoming millionaires but one forgets the fact that Bitcoins does provide people with :
Reasonable Freedom
Which the government unfortunately cannot , therefore I do think people should be educated correctly about cryptocurrencies. They should start teaching about it in schools and colleges , because it's something that is going to be in the future for sure .
2775  Economy / Gambling discussion / Physical Casinos Decoded : on: June 16, 2020, 07:04:06 AM
So I was going through YouTube and got suggested a video , I decided to watch it and thought I would share it with you guys. This video actually showed me why online ones are better.
I will try and sum up everything in my words , plus try and watch the video if you guys have time.

Tricks that casinos use :

 https://youtu.be/MZ1yhmhbucc
•Casinos Have 1000's of security Cameras , they are looking at your every move , if they suspect any foul play you will be detained right at the moment.
•One needs to Choose Right Game , Right Bet , Right Casino and soon enough you can easily earn a descent amount of money . It's all about what you would choose .
•Black Jack might be a Game where you might think you can win , but unfortunately according to casinos Laws , now if you actually win , you will only get 2$ in return for a 10$ bet and that is quite low.
•The reason Casinos Don't like the full table is because they actually give players time to think and place the bet in a manner that they can actually win and therefore the House tries to avoid that .
•You can always get free stuff if you keep playing and give them their money .
•If One Wins a lot , casinos makes sure that the person doesn't come back though
• A happy person serves as a marketing strategy , he might come back and he might even tell others , therefore there are people who are gonna win and casinos won't hate it for sure .
• Fee that the ATM Machines Charge is ridiculously high in casinos therefore get your money out from outside.
• Casinos use your sense of smell the make people feel relaxed , their vents often sends out Lavender and stuff , to make you feel super relaxed
•The Police often take the side of the casinos , therefore one should always be very careful about getting caught.
•Dollar Slots have a higher return rate than penny slots , therefore if you want to try it out , you should always go for a dollar slot.
•Loud Sounds, smell , beautiful sparkling colours , makes user the impression that it's a happy place ' it's all non verbal cues they they are using .
•The reason there are no clocks and windows at casinos are because they don't want to let the users leave !Plus they often give free drinks to make your judgement bad and lavender of ofc Making you drowsy .
•If you want to eat or to go to restroom or to even cash out your Chips , you have to go deeper and which actually means , go through more games , that one last game makes people loose a lot of money.
•Casinos are designed like a maze so that the user might face problems in finding the EXIT , so you will play more ~
2776  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Online casino searches at "all time high" during lockdown on: June 15, 2020, 08:38:29 PM
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Search interest in online casinos has hit an all-time high in the UK since lockdown began, data show.

Google Trends shows gambling has moved online amid the closure of physical gambling venues and cancellation of sports events.

Ref: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-52633355

Well it wasn't unprecedented. Regular gamblers had to find a way to play while offline casinos are barred worldwide. Even though the overall volume has dropped, the interest about online gambling is on the ride.

I am just wondering if crypto casinos are benefiting from this! It's a great chance for crypto casinos to fetch a new customer base as well as cryptos should see new adoption. Could be a win-win situation for us!
Ofcourse the crypto casinos would be benefited from the same .
The users are most likely worried about their privacy , therefore cryptocurrencies are actually something that they would like to invest in for the Gambling . At the same time I have noticed that :
Crypo Gambling is more diverse
They have actually a lot of options out there and I do think it is amazing to see people actually coming out to experience this.
I have seen such wonderful games , with a whole different concept , whereas the traditional Gambling is actually limited in most cities.
We have also seen some newbies coming out to just buy some Bitcoins for the sake of Gambling. To sum up they are providing:
More Diversification
Privacy
Transparent
No taxation in many countries
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2777  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: seems like bitcoin is too slow to progress on: June 15, 2020, 05:56:39 PM
Everyone is actually wondering about smart contracts when Bitcoins DOES support it. Not to that extent of course but yeah .

At the same time I do think we don't need any more developments and such since Bitcoins is actually very simple , very secure , stable and gets the work done just right .

Stable not in comparison to volatility , stable as in people Trust it and therefore it does have value in the market. I do think we should realize that ofcourse ETH have a good development score and such but at the same time Bitcoins have great user support ! Security ! Plus I do think soon enough IF NEEDED we can definitely make some changes in the future . But right now I don't think it is outdated .

Trust+user support is a big thing in the market .

Liquidity is something that Bitcoins win in at the same time we do have limited supply which is way less than ETH so we can see market revolution in the upcoming future.
2778  Economy / Economics / Saving economy at the cost of what? on: June 15, 2020, 10:11:13 AM
I do think we do realize that the most important thing one should be concerned right now about is actually : Well being, Good health of his family and himself too.

When I go through the news I do realize that the government is prematurely removing the Quarantine , which might cost life of a lot of people .

• Bans on many Casinos was lifted
• The Flights have started operating
• Schools are going to start again

And much more !

I do think we should realize that even though we are moving forward to save the economy of the world , we are actually less concerned about COVID-19 now.

Is it worth it ?

Because even though we have strict regulations, even though people have been given strict rules to follow , they will still mess up !

I am aware of the counter argument : If this is not done people will still die ..Hungry , without being able to pay for the basic necessities

But I do think there should be some way , such as Quarantine is extended but still the Sectors Instead of asking people to come to the office continues to work from Home.

There should be Penalty on people for not wearing masks, might sound ridiculous for some but please understand that :

The second or Third wave of the virus can be prevented by 100% usage of masks .

With Risks increasing and possible economic collapse where are we headed to ?
2779  Economy / Economics / Re: The Looming Bank Collapse on: June 15, 2020, 07:30:04 AM
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The U.S. financial system could be on the cusp of calamity. This time, we might not be able to save it.

After months of living with the coronavirus pandemic, American citizens are well aware of the toll it has taken on the economy: broken supply chains, record unemployment, failing small businesses. All of these factors are serious and could mire the United States in a deep, prolonged recession. But there’s another threat to the economy, too. It lurks on the balance sheets of the big banks, and it could be cataclysmic. Imagine if, in addition to all the uncertainty surrounding the pandemic, you woke up one morning to find that the financial sector had collapsed.

You may think that such a crisis is unlikely, with memories of the 2008 crash still so fresh. But banks learned few lessons from that calamity, and new laws intended to keep them from taking on too much risk have failed to do so. As a result, we could be on the precipice of another crash, one different from 2008 less in kind than in degree. This one could be worse.

The financial crisis of 2008 was about home mortgages. Hundreds of billions of dollars in loans to home buyers were repackaged into securities called collateralized debt obligations, known as CDOs. In theory, CDOs were intended to shift risk away from banks, which lend money to home buyers. In practice, the same banks that issued home loans also bet heavily on CDOs, often using complex techniques hidden from investors and regulators. When the housing market took a hit, these banks were doubly affected. In late 2007, banks began disclosing tens of billions of dollars of subprime-CDO losses. The next year, Lehman Brothers went under, taking the economy with it.

The federal government stepped in to rescue the other big banks and forestall a panic. The intervention worked—though its success did not seem assured at the time—and the system righted itself. Of course, many Americans suffered as a result of the crash, losing homes, jobs, and wealth. An already troubling gap between America’s haves and have-nots grew wider still. Yet by March 2009, the economy was on the upswing, and the longest bull market in history had begun.

To prevent the next crisis, Congress in 2010 passed the Dodd-Frank Act. Under the new rules, banks were supposed to borrow less, make fewer long-shot bets, and be more transparent about their holdings. The Federal Reserve began conducting “stress tests” to keep the banks in line. Congress also tried to reform the credit-rating agencies, which were widely blamed for enabling the meltdown by giving high marks to dubious CDOs, many of which were larded with subprime loans given to unqualified borrowers. Over the course of the crisis, more than 13,000 CDO investments that were rated AAA—the highest possible rating—defaulted.

The reforms were well intentioned, but, as we’ll see, they haven’t kept the banks from falling back into old, bad habits. After the housing crisis, subprime CDOs naturally fell out of favor. Demand shifted to a similar—and similarly risky—instrument, one that even has a similar name: the CLO, or collateralized loan obligation. A CLO walks and talks like a CDO, but in place of loans made to home buyers are loans made to businesses—specifically, troubled businesses. CLOs bundle together so-called leveraged loans, the subprime mortgages of the corporate world. These are loans made to companies that have maxed out their borrowing and can no longer sell bonds directly to investors or qualify for a traditional bank loan. There are more than $1 trillion worth of leveraged loans currently outstanding. The majority are held in CLOs.

I was part of the group that structured and sold CDOs and CLOs at Morgan Stanley in the 1990s. The two securities are remarkably alike. Like a CDO, a CLO has multiple layers, which are sold separately. The bottom layer is the riskiest, the top the safest. If just a few of the loans in a CLO default, the bottom layer will suffer a loss and the other layers will remain safe. If the defaults increase, the bottom layer will lose even more, and the pain will start to work its way up the layers. The top layer, however, remains protected: It loses money only after the lower layers have been wiped out.

Unless you work in finance, you probably haven’t heard of CLOs, but according to many estimates, the CLO market is bigger than the subprime-mortgage CDO market was in its heyday. The Bank for International Settlements, which helps central banks pursue financial stability, has estimated the overall size of the CDO market in 2007 at $640 billion; it estimated the overall size of the CLO market in 2018 at $750 billion. More than $130 billion worth of CLOs have been created since then, some even in recent months. Just as easy mortgages fueled economic growth in the 2000s, cheap corporate debt has done so in the past decade, and many companies have binged on it.

Despite their obvious resemblance to the villain of the last crash, CLOs have been praised by Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin for moving the risk of leveraged loans outside the banking system. Like former Fed Chair Alan Greenspan, who downplayed the risks posed by subprime mortgages, Powell and Mnuchin have downplayed any trouble CLOs could pose for banks, arguing that the risk is contained within the CLOs themselves.

These sanguine views are hard to square with reality. The Bank for International Settlements estimates that, across the globe, banks held at least $250 billion worth of CLOs at the end of 2018. Last July, one month after Powell declared in a press conference that “the risk isn’t in the banks,” two economists from the Federal Reserve reported that U.S. depository institutions and their holding companies owned more than $110 billion worth of CLOs issued out of the Cayman Islands alone. A more complete picture is hard to come by, in part because banks have been inconsistent about reporting their CLO holdings. The Financial Stability Board, which monitors the global financial system, warned in December that 14 percent of CLOs—more than $100 billion worth—are unaccounted for.

I have a checking account and a home mortgage with Wells Fargo; I decided to see how heavily invested my bank is in CLOs. I had to dig deep into the footnotes of the bank’s most recent annual report, all the way to page 144. Listed there are its “available for sale” accounts. These are investments a bank plans to sell at some point, though not necessarily right away. The list contains the categories of safe assets you might expect: U.S. Treasury bonds, municipal bonds, and so on. Nestled among them is an item called “collateralized loan and other obligations”—CLOs. I ran my finger across the page to see the total for these investments, investments that Powell and Mnuchin have asserted are “outside the banking system.”

The total is $29.7 billion. It is a massive number. And it is inside the bank.

Since 2008, banks have kept more capital on hand to protect against a downturn, and their balance sheets are less leveraged now than they were in 2007. And not every bank has loaded up on CLOs. But in December, the Financial Stability Board estimated that, for the 30 “global systemically important banks,” the average exposure to leveraged loans and CLOs was roughly 60 percent of capital on hand. Citigroup reported $20 billion worth of CLOs as of March 31; JPMorgan Chase reported $35 billion (along with an unrealized loss on CLOs of $2 billion). A couple of midsize banks—Banc of California, Stifel Financial—have CLOs totaling more than 100 percent of their capital. If the leveraged-loan market imploded, their liabilities could quickly become greater than their assets.

How can these banks justify gambling so much money on what looks like such a risky bet? Defenders of CLOs say they aren’t, in fact, a gamble—on the contrary, they are as sure a thing as you can hope for. That’s because the banks mostly own the least risky, top layer of CLOs. Since the mid-1990s, the highest annual default rate on leveraged loans was about 10 percent, during the previous financial crisis. If 10 percent of a CLO’s loans default, the bottom layers will suffer, but if you own the top layer, you might not even notice. Three times as many loans could default and you’d still be protected, because the lower layers would bear the loss. The securities are structured such that investors with a high tolerance for risk, like hedge funds and private-equity firms, buy the bottom layers hoping to win the lottery. The big banks settle for smaller returns and the security of the top layer. As of this writing, no AAA‑rated layer of a CLO has ever lost principal.

But that AAA rating is deceiving. The credit-rating agencies grade CLOs and their underlying debt separately. You might assume that a CLO must contain AAA debt if its top layer is rated AAA. Far from it. Remember: CLOs are made up of loans to businesses that are already in trouble.

So what sort of debt do you find in a CLO? Fitch Ratings has estimated that as of April, more than 67 percent of the 1,745 borrowers in its leveraged-loan database had a B rating. That might not sound bad, but B-rated debt is lousy debt. According to the rating agencies’ definitions, a B-rated borrower’s ability to repay a loan is likely to be impaired in adverse business or economic conditions. In other words, two-thirds of those leveraged loans are likely to lose money in economic conditions like the ones we’re presently experiencing. According to Fitch, 15 percent of companies with leveraged loans are rated lower still, at CCC or below. These borrowers are on the cusp of default.

So while the banks restrict their CLO investments mostly to AAA‑rated layers, what they really own is exposure to tens of billions of dollars of high-risk debt. In those highly rated CLOs, you won’t find a single loan rated AAA, AA, or even A.

How can the credit-rating agencies get away with this? The answer is “default correlation,” a measure of the likelihood of loans defaulting at the same time. The main reason CLOs have been so safe is the same reason CDOs seemed safe before 2008. Back then, the underlying loans were risky too, and everyone knew that some of them would default. But it seemed unlikely that many of them would default at the same time. The loans were spread across the entire country and among many lenders. Real-estate markets were thought to be local, not national, and the factors that typically lead people to default on their home loans—job loss, divorce, poor health—don’t all move in the same direction at the same time. Then housing prices fell 30 percent across the board and defaults skyrocketed.

For CLOs, the rating agencies determine the grades of the various layers by assessing both the risks of the leveraged loans and their default correlation. Even during a recession, different sectors of the economy, such as entertainment, health care, and retail, don’t necessarily move in lockstep. In theory, CLOs are constructed in such a way as to minimize the chances that all of the loans will be affected by a single event or chain of events. The rating agencies award high ratings to those layers that seem sufficiently diversified across industry and geography.

Banks do not publicly report which CLOs they hold, so we can’t know precisely which leveraged loans a given institution might be exposed to. But all you have to do is look at a list of leveraged borrowers to see the potential for trouble. Among the dozens of companies Fitch added to its list of “loans of concern” in April were AMC Entertainment, Bob’s Discount Furniture, California Pizza Kitchen, the Container Store, Lands’ End, Men’s Wearhouse, and Party City. These are all companies hard hit by the sort of belt-tightening that accompanies a conventional downturn.

We are not in the midst of a conventional downturn. The two companies with the largest amount of outstanding debt on Fitch’s April list were Envision Healthcare, a medical-staffing company that, among other things, helps hospitals administer emergency-room care, and Intelsat, which provides satellite broadband access. Also added to the list was Hoffmaster, which makes products used by restaurants to package food for takeout. Companies you might have expected to weather the present economic storm are among those suffering most acutely as consumers not only tighten their belts, but also redefine what they consider necessary.

Even before the pandemic struck, the credit-rating agencies may have been underestimating how vulnerable unrelated industries could be to the same economic forces. A 2017 article by John Griffin, of the University of Texas, and Jordan Nickerson, of Boston College, demonstrated that the default-correlation assumptions used to create a group of 136 CLOs should have been three to four times higher than they were, and the miscalculations resulted in much higher ratings than were warranted. “I’ve been concerned about AAA CLOs failing in the next crisis for several years,” Griffin told me in May. “This crisis is more horrifying than I anticipated.”

Under current conditions, the outlook for leveraged loans in a range of industries is truly grim. Companies such as AMC (nearly $2 billion of debt spread across 224 CLOs) and Party City ($719 million of debt in 183 CLOs) were in dire straits before social distancing. Now moviegoing and party-throwing are paused indefinitely—and may never come back to their pre-pandemic levels.

The prices of AAA-rated CLO layers tumbled in March, before the Federal Reserve announced that its additional $2.3 trillion of lending would include loans to CLOs. (The program is controversial: Is the Fed really willing to prop up CLOs when so many previously healthy small businesses are struggling to pay their debts? As of mid-May, no such loans had been made.) Far from scaring off the big banks, the tumble inspired several of them to buy low: Citigroup acquired $2 billion of AAA CLOs during the dip, which it flipped for a $100 million profit when prices bounced back. Other banks, including Bank of America, reportedly bought lower layers of CLOs in May for about 20 cents on the dollar.

Meanwhile, loan defaults are already happening. There were more in April than ever before. Several experts told me they expect more record-breaking months this summer. It will only get worse from there.

If leveraged-loan defaults continue, how badly could they damage the larger economy? What, precisely, is the worst-case scenario?

For the moment, the financial system seems relatively stable. Banks can still pay their debts and pass their regulatory capital tests. But recall that the previous crash took more than a year to unfold. The present is analogous not to the fall of 2008, when the U.S. was in full-blown crisis, but to the summer of 2007, when some securities were going underwater but no one yet knew what the upshot would be.

What I’m about to describe is necessarily speculative, but it is rooted in the experience of the previous crash and in what we know about current bank holdings. The purpose of laying out this worst-case scenario isn’t to say that it will necessarily come to pass. The purpose is to show that it could. That alone should scare us all—and inform the way we think about the next year and beyond.

Later this summer, leveraged-loan defaults will increase significantly as the economic effects of the pandemic fully register. Bankruptcy courts will very likely buckle under the weight of new filings. (During a two-week period in May, J.Crew, Neiman Marcus, and J. C. Penney all filed for bankruptcy.) We already know that a significant majority of the loans in CLOs have weak covenants that offer investors only minimal legal protection; in industry parlance, they are “cov lite.” The holders of leveraged loans will thus be fortunate to get pennies on the dollar as companies default—nothing close to the 70 cents that has been standard in the past.

As the banks begin to feel the pain of these defaults, the public will learn that they were hardly the only institutions to bet big on CLOs. The insurance giant AIG—which had massive investments in CDOs in 2008—is now exposed to more than $9 billion in CLOs. U.S. life-insurance companies as a group in 2018 had an estimated one-fifth of their capital tied up in these same instruments. Pension funds, mutual funds, and exchange-traded funds (popular among retail investors) are also heavily invested in leveraged loans and CLOs.

The banks themselves may reveal that their CLO investments are larger than was previously understood. In fact, we’re already seeing this happen. On May 5, Wells Fargo disclosed $7.7 billion worth of CLOs in a different corner of its balance sheet than the $29.7 billion I’d found in its annual report. As defaults pile up, the Mnuchin-Powell view that leveraged loans can’t harm the financial system will be exposed as wishful thinking.

Thus far, I’ve focused on CLOs because they are the most troubling assets held by the banks. But they are also emblematic of other complex and artificial products that banks have stashed on—and off—their balance sheets. Later this year, banks may very well report quarterly losses that are much worse than anticipated. The details will include a dizzying array of transactions that will recall not only the housing crisis, but the Enron scandal of the early 2000s. Remember all those subsidiaries Enron created (many of them infamously named after Star Wars characters) to keep risky bets off the energy firm’s financial statements? The big banks use similar structures, called “variable interest entities”—companies established largely to hold off-the-books positions. Wells Fargo has more than $1 trillion of VIE assets, about which we currently know very little, because reporting requirements are opaque. But one popular investment held in VIEs is securities backed by commercial mortgages, such as loans to shopping malls and office parks—two categories of borrowers experiencing severe strain as a result of the pandemic.

The early losses from CLOs will not on their own erase the capital reserves required by Dodd-Frank. And some of the most irresponsible gambles from the last crisis—the speculative derivatives and credit-default swaps you may remember reading about in 2008—are less common today, experts told me. But the losses from CLOs, combined with losses from other troubled assets like those commercial-mortgage-backed securities, will lead to serious deficiencies in capital. Meanwhile, the same economic forces buffeting CLOs will hit other parts of the banks’ balance sheets hard; as the recession drags on, their traditional sources of revenue will also dry up. For some, the erosion of capital could approach the levels Lehman Brothers and Citigroup suffered in 2008. Banks with insufficient cash reserves will be forced to sell assets into a dour market, and the proceeds will be dismal. The prices of leveraged loans, and by extension CLOs, will spiral downward.

You can perhaps guess much of the rest: At some point, rumors will circulate that one major bank is near collapse. Overnight lending, which keeps the American economy running, will seize up. The Federal Reserve will try to arrange a bank bailout. All of that happened last time, too.

But this time, the bailout proposal will likely face stiffer opposition, from both parties. Since 2008, populists on the left and the right in American politics have grown suspicious of handouts to the big banks. Already irate that banks were inadequately punished for their malfeasance leading up to the last crash, critics will be outraged to learn that they so egregiously flouted the spirit of the post-2008 reforms. Some members of Congress will question whether the Federal Reserve has the authority to buy risky investments to prop up the financial sector, as it did in 2008. (Dodd-Frank limited the Fed’s ability to target specific companies, and precluded loans to failing or insolvent institutions.) Government officials will hold frantic meetings, but to no avail. The faltering bank will fail, with others lined up behind it.

And then, sometime in the next year, we will all stare into the financial abyss. At that point, we will be well beyond the scope of the previous recession, and we will have either exhausted the remedies that spared the system last time or found that they won’t work this time around. What then?

Until recently, at least, the U.S. was rightly focused on finding ways to emerge from the coronavirus pandemic that prioritize the health of American citizens. And economic health cannot be restored until people feel safe going about their daily business. But health risks and economic risks must be considered together. In calculating the risks of reopening the economy, we must understand the true costs of remaining closed. At some point, they will become more than the country can bear.

The financial sector isn’t like other sectors. If it fails, fundamental aspects of modern life could fail with it. We could lose the ability to get loans to buy a house or a car, or to pay for college. Without reliable credit, many Americans might struggle to pay for their daily needs. This is why, in 2008, then–Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson went so far as to get down on one knee to beg Nancy Pelosi for her help sparing the system. He understood the alternative.

It is a distasteful fact that the present situation is so dire in part because the banks fell right back into bad behavior after the last crash—taking too many risks, hiding debt in complex instruments and off-balance-sheet entities, and generally exploiting loopholes in laws intended to rein in their greed. Sparing them for a second time this century will be that much harder.

If we muster the political will to do so—or if we avert the worst possible outcomes in this precarious time—it will be imperative for the U.S. government to impose reforms stringent enough to head off the next crisis. We’ve seen how banks respond to stern reprimands and modest reform. This time, regulators might need to dismantle the system as we know it. Banks should play a much simpler role in the new economy, making lending decisions themselves instead of farming them out to credit-rating agencies. They should steer clear of whatever newfangled security might replace the CLO. To prevent another crisis, we also need far more transparency, so we can see when banks give in to temptation. A bank shouldn’t be able to keep $1 trillion worth of assets off its books.

If we do manage to make it through the next year without waking up to a collapse, we must find ways to prevent the big banks from going all in on bets they can’t afford to lose. Their luck—and ours—will at some point run out.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/07/coronavirus-banks-collapse/612247/


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"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."  --Benjamin Franklin

The media has predicted vague economic doom and gloom over the last 10+ years. Those undefined apocalyptic sounding predictions are now materializing into more specific content involving banks and less publicized hyperinflation scenarios. Unlike the 2008 bank crisis, we have advance warning and time to offset potential banking disasters. The trouble is less than 0.01% of the population read articles like this one and it will be impossible to muster majority support for proposed measures to fix these issues.

Sheerly through circumstance, any future banking disaster will likely take 99.9% of the population by surprise. If consumers were forewarned they could inadvertently worsen bank sector liquidity by panic withdrawing funds from banks.

How do we fix these types of issues. Where the majority would like to be informed and educated. Somehow circumstances being what they are, that never seems to happen.



I do think the reason we are in a pinch right now is : We are using the Traditional methods without any upgradation to deal with current issues.

What we need to do is to upgrade the way the things are handled , Banking system is far too centralized and far too corrupted to not collapse in an impending disaster.

Corona Virus should be eye opener for them, where they do need to understand that they have to add , the updates , like Blockchain. Integrate them with the current system. Find new alternatives.

We often Talk about the liquidity in the case of Cryptocurrencies but the media never talks about How Banks Can collapse with one blow.

The 2008 Crash should have shown some upgrades in the system, I don't think that did happen.

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The financial crisis of 2008 was about home mortgages. Hundreds of billions of dollars in loans to home buyers were repackaged into securities called collateralized debt obligations, known as CDOs. In theory, CDOs were intended to shift risk away from banks, which lend money to home buyers. In practice, the same banks that issued home loans also bet heavily on CDOs, often using complex techniques hidden from investors and regulators. When the housing market took a hit, these banks were doubly affected. In late 2007, banks began disclosing tens of billions of dollars of subprime-CDO losses. The next year, Lehman Brothers went under, taking the economy with it.


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/07/coronavirus-banks-collapse/612247/

Articles like this which actually tells the truth and often ignored.
2780  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: CORONAVIRUS IMPACT ON SPORTS GAMBLING on: June 15, 2020, 06:09:11 AM
Now that almost all sporting events all over the world are cancelled, those wanting bet of sports events are left with having to find alternatives. What are the majority doing?

Are some giving up and trying to become reformed gamblers?

Are some gambling on casinos instead?

What are alternatives most sports betting users are now switching to?




https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/mar/14/sport-coronavirus-empty-schedules-football

See what we are talking about here is not universal , there are countries where people actually attended those events and places where the event went down without people. For sure someone did place huge bets on the event .

Due to coronavirus mostly the events are off , certain things one could actually say:

No jobs>No investments>No Gambling

It is just something to enjoy for the rich now, even then one should understand that people without much investments are trying their luck.

Some places have actually opened up related To Gambling. I do think this could be catastrophic for the long run .

The business of Gambling is down no doubt. But one can easily enjoy the ones that they can use from their houses without putting their lives in danger .

Or maybe call the nearby sports Gambling place you know well and place the bets on the mobile ?
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