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2761  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: December 23, 2014, 03:23:43 PM
Damn that sending system is a beautiful thing. What if you want to just write Gems? Smiley Is sending BTC the same, just type "Bitcoin"?  

Someone mentioned GEMZ as sending currency, I think you should definetly use "gems", why over complicate things if the app is called Gems is my thinking.

Good question, what if i want to say 'can you send me 10 gems?' The app shouldn't send it in this case.
2762  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Gems Android App Showcase on: December 23, 2014, 01:58:57 PM
Gems is a new social messaging app aiming to disrupt the established social media business model through the power of crypto 2.0 technology. It has real innovative features which actually have a purpose, unlike Facebook, Whatsapp etc. it's attention economy based model makes it possible for users to profit from building the social network, at the same time trying to be as consumer friendly as possible. This makes sending transactions with Bitcoin and Gemz fun, simple, secure and profitable. Soon to be released for iOS & Android.

https://twitter.com/getgemsorg/status/547336851678191617


2763  Local / Nederlands (Dutch) / Re: [ANN] Gems - De volgende generatie Instant Messaging app op de Bitcoin protocol on: December 23, 2014, 12:39:45 PM
Gems Android App Showcase: https://twitter.com/getgemsorg/status/547336851678191617

2764  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: December 23, 2014, 11:46:16 AM

The layout looks lovely, very clean and elegant combined with a revolutionary technology, wish Gems to replace Whatsapp. Sending Gemz was so freaking easy, it actually makes it fun to make transactions this way.


2765  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: December 22, 2014, 10:23:37 AM
We haven't found the right word for "unsolicited messages", advertising is just one of the uses. I try to explain the attention economy in GEMZ here: http://shoutengine.com/BitcoinNewsWeekly/dollars-to-bitcoins-banks-hate-bitcoin-the-gold-5231

You can also read here regarding the unsolicited messages logic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=758004.msg9758926#msg9758926

One of the main problems of the internet is spam. The fact that communication is constantly becoming cheaper enables spammers to send bulk messages to unwilling recipients. People care about their privacy, thus they are not comfortable writing their mobile number / email publicly because it will make them a target for spam, leading them to hiding their personal information.

Gems Hashtag effectively solves the spam problem in communication networks and allows users to finally publish their username openly without fear of receiving uncontrolled amounts of unsolicited messages. By placing a Gemz price tag on sending personal unsolicited messages, we can guarantee that users pay for the right to contact you. With Gems you will be able to write your hashtag in your signature / blog / anywhere over the internet.

You can read about personal unsolicited messages here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=758004.msg9904527#msg9904527


additional advantages over Telegram are:

- Reward and Airdrop system to reward users: to enable users to profit from using and promoting the application.

GEMS is aimed towards the common user who doesn’t have a crypto currency background. Since GEMS are rewarded for network contribution, these users will own GEMS just from operating within the network. The value of social networks is tied directly to the number of active users. In a fair model, if users bring the value to the network, they should also be rewarded according to their contribution.

- built in counterparty mobile wallet: to enable transfer of value in addition to communications.

would you prefer to use Snapchat or SnapChat with the new SnapCash function (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBwjxBmMszQ) ?  Smiley
you can read about SnapCash limitations here: http://www.nextadvisor.com/blog/2014/12/03/snapchat-snapcash-peer-peer-payment-safe/, blockchain technology is superior to fiat.

note: user acquisition is never an easy task, the success of the project will depend on marketing effort (media exposure) and even more on the Gems/Bitcoin community (word to mouth education/referrals).

Gems is a gateway to cryptocurrency, encrypted social messaging and the ability to transmit value via txt message. we think Gems is in a very good spot to get a foothold in one of the most sought after spaces in the crypto market.

Snapcash is awful

2766  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: December 21, 2014, 12:15:20 PM
Apart from a small monetary benefit why would someone choose GEMS and not Telegram that already is free and has zero advertising?

Because you get rewarded by inviting your friend to the app.
Plus, you get a Bitcoin and Gems wallet inside. You can send and receive Bitcoins/Gems without any technical knowledge because user-names are used as alias for Bitcoin addresses.
Gems could bring Bitcoin to the masses.


I'm looking at this from a purely average Joe user who has no real interest in abitcoin or collecting some digital Monopoly money but having a great chat app they can use. You've got to play Devils advocate to get to the truth on this forum.

I believe the value to dollars will be in the app, so that can create interest because people can relate to fiat, even an average joe would get it. You can choose to not receives adds, but i can imagine i would allow it to be rewarded. With Telegram you can just send messages and files, that's pretty much it. Innovation wise Gems is superior to Whatsapp and Telegram. I believe marketing is one of the most important aspects and in Gems case it's easier to market than other Cryptos because it's more consumer friendly and something people can relate too, it's just an app and easy to get. So the team should take advantage of the edge they have here.
2767  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: December 21, 2014, 02:16:52 AM
If GEMS is changing its platform does it need to re-apply to the iOS store? I would assume so.

Don't know about that but i do know both iOS & Android will be released December 30th.
2768  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin up 10% in 24hrs WHY? One word: RUSSIA on: December 21, 2014, 02:12:46 AM
Are we going to act happy every time Bitcoin goes up a little while trending down? I don't really think Russia was the cause either, if Russia really jumps into Bitcoin ATH will be crashed pretty quick.
2769  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: December 20, 2014, 01:56:42 PM
Seeing as how the most interesting aspects of GEMS get overlooked quite often, I dedicated a new article to exactly those features.


Read all about it here!

You are spot on i actually overlooked the details of the advertising model. These are amazing features, as a regular user for me the personal unsolicited, priority and sponsored messaging are awesome.

Potential advertising models for Gems

Pay for sending personal unsolicited messages

One of the main problems of any communication platform is spam. The fact that communication is constantly becoming cheaper enables spammers to send bulk messages to unwilling recipients. The common approach to spam is heuristics-based flagging and filtering (this is how gmail works). The problem is that this method is extremely inaccurate and only works well if the same exact spam message is duplicated thousands of times. Users resort to hiding their personal address in order to avoid spam. Consider what would happen if a celebrity like Oprah would publicly share her personal email - no spam prevention algorithm would be able to handle that.

In a world where the spam problem has been solved, there would be no need to hide your address. Everybody’s personal address will be public and we will no longer rely on secrecy to stop abuse. If you think about it, every major personal communication platform - such as email, phone, SMS, WhatsApp - fails at this point.

Why do we hate spam so much? The answer is basic economics. Reading incoming messages is time consuming, and our time is a very valuable resource. The straightforward solution is therefore basic economics as well. If consuming messages is expensive, sending them should be expensive as well.

By placing a gem price tag on sending personal unsolicited messages, we can guarantee that users pay for the right to contact you. It’s important to emphasize that sending messages between friends (approved contacts) is not considered unsolicited since the recipient has explicitly agreed to receive messages from the sender. This means that within the Gems network, sending messages between friends will always be free.

How expensive should sending a message be? The natural answer should also rely on basic economic principles. The more popular the recipient, the more expensive contacting them should be. This concept is found in the bidding system employed by Google for their adwords platforms. Every advertiser enters a bid of how much they agree to pay for a click. Roughly speaking, the system displays the highest bids, making popular keywords more expensive because people are willing to pay more for them. Borrowing this principle to our model, we can decide on the number of unsolicited messages a recipient will receive in a period of time, and take the highest bids from competing senders.

It might be a good idea to make this mechanism opt out. If a user is willing to receive unsolicited messages, they should be able to allow strangers to message them for free.

Another interesting feature of this mechanism can be read receipts. The sender of an unsolicited message is probably interested in whether the recipient has read the message or not.

Pay for sending private message ads

Unlike unsolicited messages which are personal in nature (like introducing yourself to a beautiful girl and asking if she’s single), ads are commercial in nature.

The central distribution channel in Gems is instant messaging. Private message ads are messages that will appear in the incoming message screen next to messages you receive from your contacts. These messages will be marked as promotions so recipients could differentiate between them and regular personal messages. A popular similar advertising channel is the promotion tab in gmail - where users receive promotional emails from advertisers directly into their inbox.

The key for maximizing the effectiveness of ads is targeted advertising. Keeping ads relevant makes both the viewer and the advertiser happy. Advertisers will not choose a specific list of recipients to receive their ads, but define some relevancy criteria for the target audience. Criteria can be based on content, similar to how Google adwords works - ie. show this ad to users interested in buying an engagement ring. Criteria can also be based on an audience profile, similar to how Facebook ads work - ie. show this ad to single males in the age of 20-25.

Employing content based targeting within Gems is mostly a privacy issue. Platforms such as gmail analyze (anonymously) the content of read messages and try to match a relevant ad based on keyword similarity. This can be performed automatically within Gems, but only on non-secure messages. Secure messages are encrypted client-client end to end and cannot be deciphered by the Gems infrastructure. In addition, content analysis should be opt out to protect user privacy upon request.

Profile based targeting within Gems is a little more tricky. The Gems network does not require users to fill any profile information. An interesting potential solution is to let users provide a voluntary profile by answering questions that will help Gems deliver relevant content more effectively and personally (ie. what is your age). To encourage users to give as much details as possible, the network can compensate users using gems for doing so. A natural way to implement this is by taking part of the cost paid by the advertiser and giving it to the ad recipient. We can even make the payout proportional to the amount of provided profile data. Some profile data can also be generated automatically, but usually at the expense of privacy. A good example is geo-location. As long as the user agrees to share his location with the app, we will be to use this data in order to show local ads. It’s important to emphasize that profile data will never be shared with the advertisers and will only be used by the network anonymously to deliver relevant ads.

The cost of advertising should probably be based on bids as well. The size of the target audience is limited (the number of participating users that fit the ad criteria), so only the ads with the highest bids will be shown. Another interesting question is whether these ads will be paid per exposure or per click (an advertiser only pays if a user opens their message and reads it). If we choose the latter, the natural approach would be to maximize the network profit from ads by factoring both the amount of the bid and the success click-through rate of previous exposures, and choosing which ads to display accordingly.

Pay for priority messages

Quality of service (QoS) is an interesting factor worth exploring for monetization purposes. Consider the real world example of shipping packages. The free shipping method is usually a standard service such as USPS, which takes a little longer to deliver and offers less control over tracking and delivery status. The shipper can pay extra for a premium shipping service such as FedEx, which arrives much faster and is generally more reliable.

Borrowing from this example to the Gems ecosystem, users will pay for sending messages with a higher priority. Delivery speed and reliability are probably not the aspects to play with, because the standard free messages on Gems always arrive virtually immediately and are extremely reliable.

So what aspects can we use instead? One option is the sort order of incoming messages. Normally, incoming messages are sorted according to arrival time. It makes sense that high priority messages will always appear first regardless of arrival time. Another option is to highlight high priority messages and mark them for special consideration. This can be achieved by using a more prominent notification sound or by using bolder colors / urgency icons for the message in the incoming message list. Another option is to send several push notifications regarding a high priority message if it hasn’t been opened by the recipient (instead of just a single one like we do with normal messages). Another option is to provide tighter control over delivery indication and notify the sender more prominently immediately when the recipient has opened the message. Another option is to display priority message inline in the incoming message list, meaning the recipient will not have to click on them in order to read their content.

Generally speaking, if recipients are aware that an incoming message was paid for, they will be more inclined to open and handle it in a timely fashion.

Pay for a sponsored appearance in the contact list / user directory

The Gems user profile will potentially include a status message. Every user can choose their own status line - which is very similar in concept to a Facebook status or WhatsApp status. This status line will appear below every username in the contact list / user directory.

The status line is an excellent platform for a quick 1-line advertisement. Consider the following use case - a startup looking for new developers. A member in the startup will set their status to “looking for talented ios/android developers” and invite any of their contacts to message them about potential applicants they know.

It makes sense to make these appearances sponsored as well. A sponsored result will probably appear first in the list of contacts (and probably be labeled as a sponsored result). In addition, we might also show sponsored results in user contact lists which aren’t related as direct contacts. For example, even if I don’t personally know the startup member looking for a developer, I will still see their sponsored result when I enter my contacts screen or when I search in the user directory.

Keeping advertisements relevant is similar in nature to previous channels, such as targeting by content and targeting by profile. In addition, another interesting criteria is the distance between users (hop count or connection degree - 1st degree are immediate friends, 2nd degree are friends of friends, etc). It makes sense to show sponsored statuses from users who travel in similar circles.


Pay for a commercial company page / e-commerce

The traditional entities within the Gems network are private individuals. Any user can join Gems and connect with their friends. Just like how Facebook grew to accommodate businesses as an entity within the network, Gems might make the same decision as well. Registering a new user as a commercial entity / business is a good candidate for a paid action.

How will company / business users be different from regular users? First of all, the profile page will have a commercial orientation and show relevant details about the business - such as an address / map location, website, logo, phone number, email, link to mobile app, opening hours, etc. In addition, business users will be geared towards e-commerce. Since the Gems network allows for easy fund transfers between users, it will be convenient to use for light e-commerce (1-click purchases).

Deeper e-commerce capabilities will allow businesses to present a goods/services catalog, support checkout with Gems and provide light order management.
2770  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: December 19, 2014, 09:26:09 PM
^ They were actually impressed by Gems concept, basically they're mad they can't copy it.
2771  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: December 18, 2014, 02:12:50 PM
This particular question is related to services like Gems which acts as a service layer on the Bitcoin 1.0 protocol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcwauLnVdOg&t=6m51s

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

This one is also related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcwauLnVdOg&t=11m10s

He says what makes Bitcoin good or better than an alternative is it's network effect and if that alternative has better features and a greater network effect it can be better than Bitcoin but the key is Bitcoins network effect that makes is popular.

But Bitcoins network effect is just around 1 million or even less users. Compared to Telegram (launched in 2013) it's pretty bad it has 50x less users and to Whatsapp 450x less users.

You could argue which is pretty reasonable that Whatsapp or Telegram are free and Bitcion costs money, you could also say that applications like the examples above are more user friendly and easier to understand. Also increasing network effect is easier with a free mobile application than a payment system like Bitcoin.

So for Gems it should be easier to grow it's network effect, but then again Bitcoin has had lots of promotion and marketing. If Gems would have the same mainstream recognition i can see it growing a network effect easier than Bitcoin, not to mention that Bitcoin can be used in the app aswell so it would definitely be a boost for Bitcoin too.
2772  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: December 18, 2014, 12:47:17 PM
This particular question is related to services like Gems which acts as a service layer on the Bitcoin 1.0 protocol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcwauLnVdOg&t=6m51s
2773  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: December 17, 2014, 08:02:47 PM
It's a random thought but I think it's would of been great to have the mining function of Mangocoinz on an app like GEMS. I don't know why Mangocoinz hasn't had much recognition on this forum. Whatever the quality of the app the concept of mining is pretty interesting at least.


http://www.mangocoinz.com



Mining should be avoided imo, because it is invented to secure transactions. Since Gems is using the Bitcoin Blockchain it is already secure so it would not make really sense. Rewarding through mining would disrupt the current reward model which is daily around 27k gemz. Mining for coins also brings a whole technical vibe into a system that is meant to be non-technical. I think people give the priority to just receive them automatically because it's easy and convenient instead of having to shut something as 'mining' on and off. Crypto is already a new thing, adding mining is unnecessary.
2774  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: December 17, 2014, 06:55:43 PM
And also the vast majority dont care about the tech. The reason so many social apps fail is because they can't shift people away from what they currently use. For sure some Telegram users might shift but the Facebook and Twitter hordes are a different matter, and if were honest there is little chance of that happening when some far bigger projects have failed to make a dent. Im not saying this is not a good idea because I like all this stuff. Will I invest? probably not but in a way I do hope I regret that.
And im currently still using Telegram, Unseen.is, Skype (for work), Twitter, but not Facebook because they really are the devil!

I totally see them moving away as fast as they came.
I remember when I started using Facebook and talking about it : everyone looked me like an alien, a lot of people where using "MySpace" and they couldn't see the reason to move to FB.
Today, I don't know anyone that don't use FB and I no one remember "MySpace".
Technology and habits move extremely fast.
People tend to forget how was the world 5 years ago like if they had Alzheimer.


Indeed people move pretty fast in this case, see Instagram, Snapchat etc. When they hear an app is going viral or getting some name recognition they tend to follow.
2775  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: December 17, 2014, 06:54:21 PM
Two further benefits I think of moving to Telegram is Telegram is the new talked about app, so while its not Whatsapp yet it's moving in that direction so we can ride the coat tails of the press attention.

But the overlooked one is Telegram is to messenging what Bitcoin/Gems is to money. It's clearly for the people and not some guy making money, if you research the founders they are Libertarians. It's a good fit all round. they might even want to partner with GEMs later.

That would be cool

2776  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: December 17, 2014, 06:06:11 PM
I use Telegram a lot and I honestly cant see how this project is any better.
Its free has some of the same features and is heavy on your privacy.

Gems is free aswell and heavy on your privacy too, but it has innovations Telegram doesn't offer. Build on Bitcoin making it possible to add advanced features like a value-reward system and a whole economical model in a simple way, being able to have an in built Bitcoin and Gemz wallet, sending value like money through the app without long addresses, without fees and instant like sending a message, unsolicited messages, hashtag options for users, you can chose to allow ads or not and if you allow you get rewarded, rewarded for activity in the network, rewarded for introducing new users, being able to make contact with users you don't have in your contact list which will cost you Gemz, setting the minimum Gemz you want to receive, anti-spam etc. That's pretty revolutionary, that's why it's called next gen IM. Why would i use Telegram if i can have Gems with all the benefits of Telegram on top of it. After all we are Crypto technology enthusiasts.

The explanation on 'attention economy' build around the app is really fascinating and innovative which opens the gateway to do many things.

Podcast http://shoutengine.com/BitcoinNewsWeekly/dollars-to-bitcoins-banks-hate-bitcoin-the-gold-5231
2777  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: December 17, 2014, 05:46:45 PM

Telegram has more functions than WhatsApp right now and all of functions that have been open source will be working on Gems Messenger from day one.

Sweet, any idea which functions these are? Would be nice to keep an eye if whatsapp puts out an official open source client.

The most noticeable is Telegram has "secret chat" by using end to end encryption, it means that you and the person who receives the message must have the same encryption key. You are also able to self destruct a message after a specific time, which is even better.

The security is powered by 256bit asymmetric RS 2048 and AES encryption, which are two very strong standard encryptions.  Telegram also offers $300,000 dollars to anyone who can crack its security: https://telegram.org/blog/cryptocontest


Impressive, any plans for a group chat option?

group chat is already supported for chats of up to 200 members: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.telegram.messenger&hl=en

Telegram Description

FAST: Telegram is the fastest messaging app on the market because it uses a distributed infrastructure with data centers positioned around the globe to connect users to the closest possible server.

SECURE: We made it our mission to provide the best security among mass messengers. Telegram heavily encrypts all your data with time-tested algorithms.

CLOUD STORAGE: Telegram seamlessly syncs across all your devices, so you can always securely access your data. Your message history is stored for free in the Telegram cloud. Never lose your data again!

GROUP CHAT & SHARING: With Telegram, you can form large group chats of up to 200 members, send broadcasts to up to 100 contacts at a time, quickly share large videos, documents (.doc, .ppt, .zip, etc.), and send an unlimited amount of photos to your friends.
RELIABLE: Built to deliver your messages in the minimum bytes possible, Telegram is the most reliable messaging system ever made. It works even on the weakest mobile connections.

100% FREE & NO ADS: Telegram is free and will always be free. We are not going to sell ads or introduce subscription fees.

PRIVACY: We take your privacy seriously and will never give third parties access to your data.

For those interested in maximum privacy, Telegram offers Secret Chats. Secret Chat messages can be programmed to self-destruct automatically from both participating devices. This way you can send all types of disappearing content — messages, photos, videos and even files. Secret Chats use end-to-end encryption to ensure that a message can only be read by its intended recipient.


So these functions will also be available on Gems right, will Gems own security features be in place? Like the flavour 1 and 2 level encryption with the lock button that was mentioned.
2778  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: December 17, 2014, 05:22:37 PM

Telegram has more functions than WhatsApp right now and all of functions that have been open source will be working on Gems Messenger from day one.

Sweet, any idea which functions these are? Would be nice to keep an eye if whatsapp puts out an official open source client.

The most noticeable is Telegram has "secret chat" by using end to end encryption, it means that you and the person who receives the message must have the same encryption key. You are also able to self destruct a message after a specific time, which is even better.

The security is powered by 256bit asymmetric RS 2048 and AES encryption, which are two very strong standard encryptions.  Telegram also offers $300,000 dollars to anyone who can crack its security: https://telegram.org/blog/cryptocontest


Impressive, any plans for a group chat option? On a side note on decentralised.tv interview you guys did there was the question on what will happen if someone loses his phone, will that person be able to restore a backup or something?
2779  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: December 17, 2014, 05:00:44 PM
Am I right in saying that now we are using Telegram we will have all the features that Telegram has like Document and photo sharing etc?

I was concerned the app was so bare bones.

I'm wondering the same do you think its possible to integrate whatsapp or is it closed source?

WhatsApp is closed source. There's an unofficial open source client but that's not something strong enough we want to rely on: http://openwhatsapp.org/

we reviewed textsecure which is open source and was recently chosen by whatsapp for their encryption, but textsecure has less working functions (also no iOS released yet) and more importantly, Telegram allows Gems users to seamlessly interact with existing Telegram 50 million active users reaching critical mass of user from day one.
 
Telegram has more functions than WhatsApp right now and all of functions that have been open source will be working on Gems Messenger from day one.

its important to note that Telegram Android code is up to date but the iPhone code they put on their website is pretty old.

The best version we found is this:
http://telegram.org/resources/telegram_iphone.src.zip

Taken from here:
https://telegram.org/apps

We are reaching out to Telegram to update the code, current problems are:

1. The source only supports API layer 8 (out of 18).
Telegram's API layer 8 was released more than a year ago, the current API layer is 18 and includes lots of important protocol updates.

2. The source was not updated for iOS 7.
iOS had a major UI change on ver 7 more than a year ago, but Telegram's iOS code is still designed like iOS 6 (unlike the official app in the app store).

3. The source was not updated for 64 bit.
The code doesn't compile on the latest iOS SDK for 64 bit. Apple will not allow any app to be uploaded without 64 bit support from Feb 1, 2015.

Even if they don't publicly update their source code we found solutions but its much more work to integrate their code.

Sweet, any idea which functions these are? Would be nice to keep an eye if whatsapp puts out an official open source client.
2780  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: December 17, 2014, 04:10:55 PM
Am I right in saying that now we are using Telegram we will have all the features that Telegram has like Document and photo sharing etc?

I was concerned the app was so bare bones.

I'm wondering the same do you think its possible to integrate whatsapp or is it closed source?
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