Hamas is more than just an armed brigade it consists of political and civil service wings as well and targeted people specifically for their political affiliation is a war crime as well. Anything associated with Hamas isn't militarily fair game. There is no military benefits to bombing empty homes of civilian infrastructure.
It is not the same because Israelis are not welcoming people to use their homes as launch sites or bases of operation.One you do that, your home is not a home it is military complex and should be dealt with as a military target.Israel, the United States, Canada, the European Union, Jordan, Egypt and Japan to name a few all classify Hamas as a terrorist organization. It should be treated as a terrorist organization. Civilians are civilians, just because Israel has compulsory military duty for many of its citizens doesn't open those citizens up to being targeted with violence when they aren't actively serving. That isn't a good excuse for Hamas and it isn't a good excuse for Israel. And yet it is still a recognized war crime to bomb a Hamas soup kitchen . There is a difference between an service member sitting peacefully in his home with his wife and kids, watching the sunday game and having cookouts in the backyard VS someone who has his family sit around kitchen table and help load and plan the next rocket firing. One is civilian and the other is a military target. Let me know when you have evidence that everyone in Gaza is secretly an armed revolutionary that engages in terrorist activities. Let me know when you have evidence that every home in Gaza is loaded with weapons and bombs. To be fair, you haven't provided any evidence to anything you have claimed either. And news report aren't evidence, they are one sided propaganda almost all of the times. And to add to what he said (and somewhat answer you) Israel does not attack whatever target, they target housing, buildings and w/e facilities that their intel marked as a hiding spot for weapons and/or terrorists. Whether or not their intel is accurate is irrelevant, since their intent isn't to harm innocent people (unlike hamas, which actions you seem to be approving of by pushing them to the sidelines). |
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I would suggest most people in first world countries have a problem with the concept of collective punishment. I certainly do. Israel has no blame here. They have a right to exist, and be where they are at. The Palestinians choose war over peace.
What I mean is, the concept of collective punishment is too ill-defined to really have a black and white opinion about it. I'm not sure how the geneva conventions defines it. E.g. does collateral damage count as collective punishment? International and non-international armed conflicts In the context of international armed conflicts, this rule is set forth in the Third Geneva Convention (with respect to prisoners of war), the Fourth Geneva Convention (with respect to protected civilians) and Additional Protocol I (with respect to civilians in general).[1] Under the Statute of the International Criminal Court, “utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations” constitutes a war crime in international armed conflicts.[2] Excellent quote and a good answer. |
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Hank is cool man, very informative series of videos he got, should watch em all. Thanks for the link, I'll be sure to watch it later. |
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There's a coin called Minerals, it started as a coin for the StarCraft community but has since changed its goal for eSports in general (although it's still working primary towards SC). It had the fairest distribution of all alt-coins to this date (it's PoS now), very active and has a good community behind it. It already has a few big streamers from the SC2 (Dimaga, Ret) community using it. The thread to the topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=641057.0You should talk to MineralsPR (he's the community's liaison) and he will probably donate some Minerals to start you off. |
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Zolace,Starscream,a lot of people think that. That's why its part of the Geneva Conventions. Our own society doesn't legally support it either. I, and generally speaking much of the Israeli army would assert that such responses to violence tend to be counter productive and instead promote further escalations and cycles of violence.
I agree that it's counter productive and promotes further escalations, but I know that there's 1 side that instigates the aggression and 1 side that doesn't. You might argue that Israel doesn't want peace with the Palestinians, but I'm sure they want at the very least, quiet. |
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I am guessing all you poster and people who replied live in a VERY VERY SAFE country ??
Where do you guys come off giving such suggestions with knowing very well that in the real world this is not possible.
You know that yesterday alone 400 (give or take, but who cares, they weren't killed by Israelis) people were killed in Syria, right? a few donzen from them were kids and thousands were injured. Are you collecting donations for them? are you bleeding for them? Losing sleep? (or w/e nonsense you were typing in the other thread) I think not. Where were you when the islamic jihad kidnapped and murdered 3 Israeli teenagers? Or when hamas fired a rocket a school bus (and proudly published it everywhere) and killed a few kids? Oh, I know where you were  So go back to your little propaganda thread, but remember, over 95% of all muslims killed this year were killed by muslims. |
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In a conflict so long blaming any one party would be naive, as far as current politics go, Israel is the main obstacle to peace. Hamas doesn't help of course, but Israel could easily marginalize them through dealings with Fatah if they had wanted to cede to a two state solution. The conflict has continued over the past several years because there hasn't been the political will for a settlement in Israel under Olmert or Netanyahu.
Even now the Netanyahu administration is largely using this incident as an excuse to throw a tantrum over the unity government construction and target Hamas like they have in the past in hopes that they can break up the new government. It has been a fairly standard (and unfortunately effective) tactic. Most of the rockets coming into Israel haven't even been fired by Hamas, yet it has been primarily Hamas' infrastructure and activists that have thus far been bombed in the operation and it was primarily Hamas sympathizers that were arbitrarily detained without charge in the West Bank during the search.
Seems like a fairly restrained response considering Hamas's penchant for firing rockets at Israeli civilians. Even if they respond with home demolitions, I'd call it totally reasonable and justified since Hamas's tactics are essentially collective punishment to begin with. Really, all terrorism is just collective punishment committed by a weak force against a stronger one and can only be deterred by the stronger party being willing to escalate to a much more extreme level of violence. You can start calling the Israeli response disproportionate when Gaza looks like Grozny. It is largely Jihadi Salafi groups firing the rockets, groups that are actually opposed to Hamas, which is why it is easier to recognize the overzealous targeting of Hamas in the campaign. the same was true of their search for and accusations surrounding the missing students which third party groups claimed responsibility for, but which Netanyahu took the opportunity to blame on Hamas instead and used it as a justification to illegally harass and target Hamas affiliates. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict and its persistence is simply proof that your ideologies are pretty poor tactics when it comes to ending cycles of violence. So in other words, you are a supporter of terrorism. Not surprised. Israel is the main obstacle? Did you read hamas party covenant? Let me quote: "'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.'" You simply cannot deal with a party who put in its front banner the destruction of your country. Fatah, on the other hand, could lead to something, and as evident, the situation of the palestinians who lives there is far superior to those who live in the gaza strip, and both are bordered with Israel. Furthermore, the Fatah territory is surrounded by Israel, the gaza strip on the other hand has a border with Egypt who decided to close the border to gaza as well. Trying to reason with an unreasonable person (or party) is futile. As far as your comment about the overzealous attack on hamas, it's pretty obvious, isn't it? They are the ruling party there, they automatically assume all responsibility for whatever that is fired from their autonomy. If a group of American soldiers go rogue and murder Russian people in Russia than USA is responsible for their actions. If USA won't execute a punishment I am pretty sure the Russian will push towards one, in what ways they see fit. Imagine if those soldiers wouldn't get punished by the American government, what repercussions their actions would have. Same goes for hamas the the islamic jihad. By not doing anything to prevent or punish the jihad after the action, hamas essentially gave its consent to the actions. The fact that you over-complicated it by saying "its a group who opposes hamas" (which btw isn't true, they don't oppose hamas, they wish to take their ideology to the extreme), shows that in fact, you support terrorism. And Zolace is correct, it is a restrained response all things considered. We all know that if hamas would have done the same to the US or the Russians, than the gaza strip would have been flattened long time ago. |
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If you are not enrolled you need to submit both pages with the second page left blank. I think its a problem which hopefully stunna can fix. I had made the mistake of not submitting the second page and wasn't enrolled and had to enroll again. only missed out on 50 posts I think though so I was lucky.
Yeah, that was probably it. I quit at the 2nd page, didn't submit it. Now I left it empty and submitted it. Posts : 601 |
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Oops I meant to say that you do not need to re-enroll. I've edited the post. If I am not on that list, I should remove my sig? |
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I think it's a bad news for Minreals too. I hope just wrong...
lol... |
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How fast do you guys think TeamLiquid forums will ban us if we create TeamLiquid forums tip bot? Should we do it?
They will ban you pretty fast. TL community is pretty strict and since it's one of the biggest (if not the biggest?) SC2 community out there I'd suggest you keep the peace. Just talk to them behind the scenes. Try getting in touch with Ret, he streams pretty frequently and is TL member. Ret reached me himself actually and we are in active conversation. He will install our wallet and start accepting minerals as donations next monay. How do you like that? This is very good news  Hope he can promote the coin himself inside TL community, that would be a huge thing. Did you guys talk to him about helping sponsoring tournaments? I know TL does tournaments themselves and participate in a lot. |
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How are people even supposed to care what happens when this is what, the 5 billionth Israel vs some random muslim guy conflict. There's a new one roughly every time Tom Cruise makes a new movie. The only interesting parts are when Israel blows up an American warship like the USS liberty to try and frame the Muslims and get the US to attack Egypt. Luckily for Israel, most Americans are either too stupid, or don't care enough to figure it out, or the US military would be dropping bombs on them.
TLDR: Both sides are crap and they don't need a coin
LOL, this has got to be the stupidest thing I have EVER read. Hahahahahahahahahaahaha. Want to help the Palestinians? Boycott Israeli goods. Don't buy anything made in Israel. The world must speak up against the atrocities being committed in Gaza.
will you be boycotting the chips in your phone and computer Of course he wouldn't. He won't boycott medicine, software or any hardware that was developed by Israelis either. |
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How fast do you guys think TeamLiquid forums will ban us if we create TeamLiquid forums tip bot? Should we do it?
They will ban you pretty fast. TL community is pretty strict and since it's one of the biggest (if not the biggest?) SC2 community out there I'd suggest you keep the peace. Just talk to them behind the scenes. Try getting in touch with Ret, he streams pretty frequently and is TL member. |
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is this betting shit working? I went to: http://bet.minerals.pro/f364773f6 and placed a bet on him losing 21 minerals "next game" and bet him losing 5min on "following game" hes lost like 3 games and it still says i have a bet of 21 on next game and 5 on following.. edit: when i check betting stats it shows he hasn't played a game since yesterday even though I watched him lose 3 in a row just now? Did u add the correct profile? The profile he's streaming with |
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I dont see why syscoin is a game changer...
blockchain market place is no big to u? they will take on wall street and banks LOL. Yeah, okai. |
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Any realistic price predictions for the next week ?
4k-5k range? but i'm not sure I need 10k until the end of July or I'm a dead man... seriously...  you burrowed money from your nigga friend in the hood lol I know it looks that way but I invested money from selling my hardware... For which I was told not to... and I bought @7k and now I need to wait.. I just CAN'T lose half of my investments.... I need a price pump and soon! ... If a stupid URO could do it 7x in 2 hours why can't MIN do it in two days...  So you're planning to dump? Sorry but the pump train already passed... If this coins will succeed than you can expect a steady increase of price that will span a few months, not 2 days. |
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Ok, so let's make everything clear.
For people yelling to scam, just be real and think for a minute.
Do you know how much this cost ? Developing a website, paying for the servers, Google Adwords, marketing campaign and so on ?
Yeah, I do know actually lol. You didn't "develop" a website, you copyrino pasterino it and it cost you 55$ for the template, unless you pirated it, than its free: http://themeforest.net/item/forte-multipurpose-wp-theme-woocommerce-ready/3888979?clickthrough_id=244921933&redirect_back=true&ref=pixedelicPaying for the server, you make it sound so so important, but it's just hosting  Anyway, 65.4$ for a year (that's how long the website is registered for) https://www.gandi.net/hosting/simple?language=php&db=mysqlhttp://www.whois.com/whois/moonasics.comDomain is another 10$ a year~ AdWords? You can put 10$ there... Not to mention Google is giving for FREE coupons worth a few hundred bucks for AdWords usage. Marketing campaign? moonasics yields nothing on Google.com except for the website and the thread here you made, so you haven't spent a dime on it. So all in all 130$~ for everything here. 1 Pre-order will already cover your scam. |
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960mhs @ 150w?  You have to excuse just about anyone who wants proof / details substantiating these performance numbers... That's not even the the detail you should gap at. They are selling 240MH/s for 300 bucks~. That shit will ROI in a day or so |
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