Hi everyone! Here what I think :
Firstly I don't see we discussed enough the sidechains think and we don't have enough opinions here to take any decisions!
From what I see seems to me that Bryce wants and planning to do some changes on uno, without consensus with the community. Are we?I don't think we given to him any agreement to do now hard changes, side chains,forks or anything else! Unobtanium is community driven material and Bryce must should serve and listen the community on first place! But how is even possible that he is our DEV and he never show up here in this forum even once? I DO NOT like this and this methods of work ! Maybe Bryce is professional or crypto genius,but he got zero communication with Uno community!!!!! Twitter is not count! And i am sure BW not gonna show up here in the future!!!?
Blazr2 is missing to -to give competent advice as the original father of Uno!
FalingKnife please give us more information about your contacts and conversation information with Bryce if you have one lately. I want to see opinion from Blazr2 before we to decide to do any changes or zero changes first!
We are good on our own. We are sha256 ,but must stay totally separate from any other blokchein. We are totally different story! - merge mining Yes but maybe later! Security gonna come naturally with the price. Sidechains I don't think so! We stay pure and lite and simple as possible!
Nobody can touch Unobtanium without our /the community/ consent! And guys don't rush things.
+1 fully agree I am currently educating myself again on sidechains to be qualified for questions on deep level. Bryce announced an AMA on reddit about it. I agree, changes like this can't happen without the investors on board - if we are not happy, nobody is happy. In any case: sidechains aren't even ready soon - will take more months. (so thank god, it's not going to be rushed) I am right now preparing many questions for the AMA and Bryce. There is a lot of questions about it from my side. The AMA is going to be interesting. In any case i wouldn't be ready to agree on any of this without getting an opinion from Blazr2 thanks for giving opinion, prominer  |
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Thanks, makes sense for it to be an exchange wallet. Though why does it appear to have no outputs?
Because it moves in one piece. Once something is withdrawn from it all the coins move to the next wallet. So the adress isn't reused once the privatekey has been used once. |
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If I read it correctly the number one wallet holds nearly a quarter of all UNO ... and has never spent any, that doesn't seem ideal. cryptsy coldstorage. It really isn't ideal that people can't withdraw that. We're chipping away at it though. It was once much larger. Last outgoing was 2 days ago. It always moves to a new adress when making transaction. |
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This year: 10$ a coin
Next year 50$ a coin
what do you think ?
i don't really see this happening. this is a grassroots community in a vast ocean of new cryptocurrencies, not like when bitcoin was a one-of-a-kind. i definitely see a bright future, but $50 per kg in 2 years seems a little hasty. i'll guess $4-5 by the end of the year. can't see far enough ahead to predict 2 years You may be right, but I see: -$USD failure -BTC 'fork' FUD passing (in-the-know buy up cheap, and BTC is scaled up) - Mass BTC adoption!!!Don't be so quick to recuse Unobtanium from participating in this year's events. I remember from maybe early 2014, if not late 2013, when, after having converted all my other cryptos to UNO, I had to watch as UNO was just about the last coin to participate in the gold rush at that time. It was hell to have to watch all the coin I just had go up 10x-100x compounded on BTC's 10x rise. Things shouldn't proceed the same this time, but you MUST be ready for success. Take this as a very strong warning. Sidechains or not. hey, as a guy who'd holding a bunch of Unobtanium, I'd certainly be happy if it was worth 25x its current value, but I'm not going to be surprised if that doesn't happen for a good while out. I'd also like to squash that peppy price hype and discourage newcomers from panic buying and causing wild price swings; i really just don't have the stomach for roller coasters any more. The crazy swings are due to very low price of UNO. If I wanted to invest 10 000 USD into UNO think what happens to the price? Currently we are not ready for bitcoiners massadopting UNO since there are plenty of bitcoins but very little UNO - out of which only a fraction is for sale.  UNO definetely needs much higher price than the current in order to be a reasonable choice for bitcoiners to adopt. They do not want to move the price a lot when they buy (who wants). Even with me when I bought UNO the price rose from 0.01'ish to 0.016, and I do not have a significiant stash (only a little over 0.1 % of UNOs that will be ever mined). correct. The real demand and attention comes from 1 or 2million cap upwards. Before that people don't even look at it or take it serious. |
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hey, as a guy who'd holding a bunch of Unobtanium, I'd certainly be happy if it was worth 25x its current value, but I'm not going to be surprised if that doesn't happen for a good while out. I'd also like to squash that peppy price hype and discourage newcomers from panic buying and causing wild price swings; i really just don't have the stomach for roller coasters any more.
we are only 50% up all the months against the USD - rising from 2$ to 3$ isn't such a big deal for a good crypto like UNO. You seem to denominate in BTC mainly. I also hold a very nice stake of $UNO and would prefer to continue our turtle model of slow and steady growth... +1 turtle or sideways to show it can be stable. It's still very much under value and with the low inflation the communinty can support a much higher price. right now costs of inflation is (at 3$): 45$ every day I think we can bring in that money to support that price longterm.  |
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hey, as a guy who'd holding a bunch of Unobtanium, I'd certainly be happy if it was worth 25x its current value, but I'm not going to be surprised if that doesn't happen for a good while out. I'd also like to squash that peppy price hype and discourage newcomers from panic buying and causing wild price swings; i really just don't have the stomach for roller coasters any more.
we are only 50% up all the months against the USD - rising from 2$ to 3$ isn't such a big deal for a good crypto like UNO. You seem to denominate in BTC mainly. It has been undervalued and oversold all of last year, mind you. And we also need this price to support the hashpower. So whatever you do: increase sellresistance instead of dumps. There isn't even enough on the books at bittrex. People at trex would be greatful to buy your coins at this price. They'll be gone in no time if you make a good price. |
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My bad, didn't know that there were limitations on the honour! Here's a toast to 300 pages anyway!   |
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but for real, though, the guy i REALLY want to hear from, and who's opinion would hold the most weight with me would be Blazr2. that guy is the real deal.
+1000 After all Blazr2 is to UNO what Satoshi is to Bitcoin AGREED +1 and having prominer weigh in would be good too as he is probably what you would call an Uno whale (his opinion is important too) On a lighter note: BTW @gustav is the winner of the $UNO pot for being the 1st post on page 300! but i'm not a newbe |
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This year: 10$ a coin
Next year 50$ a coin
what do you think ?
i don't really see this happening. this is a grassroots community in a vast ocean of new cryptocurrencies, not like when bitcoin was a one-of-a-kind. i definitely see a bright future, but $50 per kg in 2 years seems a little hasty. i'll guess $4-5 by the end of the year. can't see far enough ahead to predict 2 years You may be right, but I see: -$USD failure -BTC 'fork' FUD passing (in-the-know buy up cheap, and BTC is scaled up) - Mass BTC adoption!!!Don't be so quick to recuse Unobtanium from participating in this year's events. I remember from maybe early 2014, if not late 2013, when, after having converted all my other cryptos to UNO, I had to watch as UNO was just about the last coin to participate in the gold rush at that time. It was hell to have to watch all the coin I just had go up 10x-100x compounded on BTC's 10x rise. Things shouldn't proceed the same this time, but you MUST be ready for success. Take this as a very strong warning. Sidechains or not. hey, as a guy who'd holding a bunch of Unobtanium, I'd certainly be happy if it was worth 25x its current value, but I'm not going to be surprised if that doesn't happen for a good while out. I'd also like to squash that peppy price hype and discourage newcomers from panic buying and causing wild price swings; i really just don't have the stomach for roller coasters any more. don't 'squash' ... if it goes up too fast for you: put a sellwall. I would do the same. A crazy unrealistic pump would certainly run into sellwalls. Not necessary dump but just a gentle sellwall. Right now i think we are at a totally sustainable price. |
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but for real, though, the guy i REALLY want to hear from, and who's opinion would hold the most weight with me would be Blazr2. that guy is the real deal.
+1000 After all Blazr2 is to UNO what Satoshi is to Bitcoin AGREED +1 and having prominer weigh in would be good too as he is probably what you would call an Uno whale (his opinion is important too) |
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Bryce today tweeted ...
Sidechains a few months away?
Perfect.
$UNO
Notice he put it as a question.
The big question, though, is "will it be profitable to mine UNO after May if the price remains, say, under $5?" Or under even $10?
If not, what are the miners to do? (excluding here pure altruistic love of the concept of UNO)
our hash is up 50% same as price A lot of btc mining is going to shut down - mining hardware will be cheap this year. I don't have any concerns about hash as long as Uno can stay at above 0.01 btc |
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This year: 10$ a coin
Next year 50$ a coin
what do you think ?
this is possible, even probable (if no unforseen problems occure on the way of course) imo |
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Sink or swim: These changes under discussion bring great stability to Unobtanium in terms of network.
How can you argue with this point? (I don't need to be explicit with what this really means, given current circumstances in mining and government coersion.)
Let's say sidechains become a standard feature in many coins. How do we benefit from it? Let's say contrary to that: sidechains are a failure because they have a fatal flaw (not yet discovered) which will be revealed later. How do we benefit from that? Can you show how exactly are they bringing in more hashpower? What are the benefits they provide for us? In considering any major change, I have always found it very helpful to list the pros and cons. Does anyone have a link to what side chains are? What has been explained here briefly, seems to be a typical bell or whistle that really does nothing to add value. However, I want to learn more.
One thing to remember, these types of discussions are highly stressful. Let's all remember the greater community and remain respectful at all times.
In my opinion, one of UNO's greatest strengths is that it is not like everything else. I believe people are beginning to see that and interest is growing organically.
I also agree with a previous post, in which someone suggested Mr Weiner come into the forum and explain what the benefits and detriments of the side chain are, in his opinion.
Correct these discussions tend to be very stressful. here for sidechains info: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=831527.0(still very controversal, the press is hyping it though. Only few actually understand it) |
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Please do not introduce any changes to UNO during this time of a very weak Bitcoin. THANK YOU!
Later it's maybe a different story.
I would strongly argue the opposite. This IS the time to act, and there may only be weeks left to accomplish this. Perhaps Bryce knows this, too, and thus the quasi-urgency. It is clear to me that BTC's power is grossly underestimated, here. will you be using Gavincoin or Mpcoin later? I don't know what that is, and I don't think I'm interested. Well, you should have a quick look into the threads i just posted maybe. (only if you want of course) |
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Please do not introduce any changes to UNO during this time of a very weak Bitcoin. THANK YOU!
Later it's maybe a different story.
I would strongly argue the opposite. This IS the time to act, and there may only be weeks left to accomplish this. Perhaps Bryce knows this, too, and thus the quasi-urgency. It is clear to me that BTC's power is grossly underestimated, here. will you be using Gavincoin or Mpcoin later? |
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It is risky to do major changes.
UNO's price is going up constantly which is an indication of trust by the community.
It is important not to screw things up, as being said, sidechains need to be tested and I don't want UNO be the tester. We are more like a turtle that covers us with the shelter than being on the edge of new (read: untested) tech.
correct - and we are the only coin that is positioned in this relative conservative way which is a big trust-factor and unique in crypto-space. |
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I don't think we have a consensus on bloating the chain and introducing complexity right now .... Don't know. Would like to hear others' opinions too. BN? Charlie? Prominer? Blazr2? Bene? The others? Yeah, I've been pretty underspoken on this one, cautious. In this very thread, Fallingknife did get a difficult consensus to merge-mine with BTC, got Bryce's opinion, and communicated back to Bryce that we've ultimately consented to this. I know all this from only reading this thread. The sidechains~? Definitely has to be a part of his twitter self-promotion. I guess his business model is as a Cryptocurrency Consultant. I imagine he's raking in the dough with that. Did we agree on the sidechains? I'm pretty sure I have not, nor do I explicitly consent to it. I don't adequately understand sidechains to have a worthy opinion on the subject! - Well, Bryce is busy, and we are undoubtedly privileged to have his skills on board. If he's working on merge-mining with BTC, as he should, which has to be a fork, then why not add value to UNO with the sidechains, too? That's cutting-edge. My gut tells me this is a positive development, and may prove to be another privilege. I think the rockchain can handle it. My bias remains BTC positive, which many of you disagree with. The information I have that forms this opinion isn't easily communicated. It's powerful, but also it is questionable. Like the casino game voice says, "Anything can happen; anyone can win!"  -All just in my goofy opinion. We didn't even fully consent on merged mining. BN wasn't fully convinced and right now as things stand with btc hardfork (that could very well sink the titanic) and UNO rising price i wouldn't want to see it soon. If Uno can stand on its own and bitcoin goes to the dogs with a fork into two chains - why would we want it? I don't see a need to hurry with it right now as bitcoins' future is in no way a sure thing currently. Do we merge mine against Mpcoin or Gavincoin? ... because 'bitcoin' is definately over with the hardfork (either way - it engaged in an act of canibalism with a hardfork without consensus on it ... bitcoin is on shaky terrain right now). I only know: i am not a user of Gavincoin or Mpcoin Would be sad to see UNO loose that very important autonomy right now. Things change fast in crypto as we all know. Get yourself a status update on bitcoin-fork aswell as sidechains please to be able to have an opinion on it. Bitcoin is disintegrating pretty badly right now. People ask for Bitcoin 2.0 and the bitcoin killer right now. Man, everyone is on different planets. Please do not introduce any changes to UNO during this time of a very weak Bitcoin. THANK YOU! Later it's maybe a different story. |
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I don't think we have a consensus on bloating the chain and introducing complexity right now - especially not with an untested tech. I hope someone can get that message across to Bryce. I thought bloating the chain was a Bitcoin-thing... I hope it's not like Bryce can just decides that without anyone having to agree on it. After all it means a hardfork and i'm not clear on the benefits it provides in regard of UNOs' usecase (store of value). I see quite some disadvantages it can bring. Screwing up is more a bitcoin thing. They should implement it in btc first - that's dying anyways. I hope it's just his hype-twitter and he doesn't actually want to implement it - especially not over our heads. I'd strongly argue for it to be implemented in let's say Diraq first. It should at least be tested for several months in the wild (on another coin) imo. Why not let Bitcoin fail with it first? Don't know. Would like to hear others' opinions too. BN? Charlie? Prominer? Blazr2? Bene? The others? ----- I don't like this approach of tweeting it before even coming on the thread and proposing it. Can't he even come in here and discuss it? |
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Gustav could put it at $10 tonight. If he says "this year...", I'm in!
lol. Would be nice if i could. I'm only small fry. Was just an estimate. If it keeps going like it has been so far it's looking good. |
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