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281  Other / Politics & Society / Re: TORNADO WARNINGS! Heavy traffic in Oklahoma City as compani on: June 01, 2013, 01:57:06 AM
Mike Bettes of theweatherchannel, his car got tossed 200 years, I heard he got cut up pretty badly but is ok.
Presumably into the past, or we would not be aware of his condition.
282  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This sums it up well. on: June 01, 2013, 01:54:22 AM
pic OP
Too much of a simplification. It doesn't discuss how the coat came into existence.
Someone used a machine they owned, and thread and cloth that they owned, to make a coat. The man then bought the coat from that person (apparently as part of a suit, since it matches his pants).

Doesn't change the morality of any of the actions depicted.
283  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The nature of Bitcoin does not fit Libertarianism; it *does* fit Max Stirner tho on: June 01, 2013, 01:51:14 AM
You need to learn the difference between "highly improbable" and "impossible." A private key collision is quite possible, just not very likely.

It is also possible, just not very likely, that due to quantum fluctuations I suddenly appear in your room, or that the gold bar in your safe disappears and reappears in my room (and no, this comparison isn't even a stretch, according to this infographics. The underlying "laws of the universe" are just the same).
And in that event, it is entirely within my rights to kick you out of my house, or take back my gold bar. I can exclude you from the use of my property, whereas I cannot exclude you from the use of the randomly generated private key.

There's no need. As you point out, it's much more likely that if someone has your private key without your permission, they committed trespass to get it.
I was thinking about someone hacking into someone's machine over the internet. Does that also qualify enough as trespassing for you? Fine then, only electrons involved either.
Yes, digital trespass is well established in case law.
284  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If Anarchy can work, how come there are no historical records of it working? on: June 01, 2013, 01:44:23 AM
But back to the title question, there have been several anarchic or nearly such societies in history. Three I can think of off the top of my head. Medieval Iceland and Ireland, and surprisingly, given my experience living here, Pennsylvania prior to the establishment of the Commonwealth.
Pennsylvania was full anarchy. The only difference (and what allowed it to be taken over) is that the Quakers were full-on pacifists, rather than the "porcupine pacifist" of a N.A.P. respecting anarchy.
285  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it true that the Fed is privately owned on: June 01, 2013, 01:08:50 AM
I agree with everything, you said, but I have a hard time reconciling how money controlled by a Protocol and Maths, could be considered anyone's monopoly.
Well, "bitcoin" could be considered the bitcoin developer's "monopoly" if it gained all of the market in digital currency. That's really unlikely, considering the amount of competition it already has.
286  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If Anarchy can work, how come there are no historical records of it working? on: June 01, 2013, 12:58:37 AM
You, your source material, Rudy, and Ron don't, according to me, get to to exclusively decide how an agenda driven 'standard english' works.
Nor was I trying to. "freedom" has a meaning, agreed up on for many, many years:
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free·dom 
/ˈfrēdəm/
Noun
  • The power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.
  • Absence of subjection to foreign domination or despotic government.
This can be "distilled" down to a very simple phrase: "absence of coercion."

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an·ar·chy 
/ˈanərkē/
Noun
Absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.

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cap·i·tal·ism 
/ˈkapətlˌizəm/
Noun
An economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit.
These meanings do not sufficiently convey the depth of the subject matter they are intended to encapsulate and limit.
Then you're trying to cram too much meaning into the word. This is why new words are created, to hold the excess meaning, when the old word is insufficient to convey the concept. Or clarifying words can be added, for instance, your concept of "capitalism" is more properly "State capitalism" and edges into the "new" words "corporatism" or "fascism."

"Anarcho-capitalism" is much easier to write than "free market anarchy with strong individual property rights," but it conveys the same meaning, because capitalism is a free market system, with strong property rights, and adding "anarcho-" to that indicates that indicates that it is an anarchy, and thus all rights are held by the individual.
287  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The nature of Bitcoin does not fit Libertarianism; it *does* fit Max Stirner tho on: June 01, 2013, 12:30:05 AM
If someone randomly generates the same private key as you, you can't make them stop using it. If someone randomly walks into your house, you can kick them out.

Bitcoin is not designed in a way that someone can "generate" the someone's private key. If someone has your private keys, they most probably have "randomly walked into your computer" as well.

Or, you acted with neglect and left your wallet in the open somewhere, but again that can happen all the same with physical belongings.
You need to learn the difference between "highly improbable" and "impossible." A private key collision is quite possible, just not very likely.

or it does scale up, and we get a much more complex system of mediation, for example libertarianism, where it would still be hard to find someone to ensure legal protection for your Bitcoin wallet. Or do you guys see legal protection for Bitcoin wallets evolving "out of customs"?
There's no need. As you point out, it's much more likely that if someone has your private key without your permission, they committed trespass to get it.
288  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it true that the Fed is privately owned on: June 01, 2013, 12:24:31 AM
In a free market, I think monopoly's in general will almost certainly develop over things that are scarce. (Car's, food, computers, etc.) This is not a good thing, because it centralizes power.
This is patently and provably false. The computer market is one of the least regulated on the planet. Cars have only safety and emissions regulations to contend with (and many companies voluntarily exceed those regulations). Food, similarly, has only health and safety regulations, and a few labeling requirements. You chose the worst possible examples for natural monopolies, since all of those industries show robust competition, in a largely unregulated (free) market.

Actually I was not talking about natural monopoly's. I was talking about monopoly's from integration - why did you choose to let that one out?
Sigh.
"Monopolies can be established by a government, form naturally, or form by integration." I'd say the latter two are just versions of the same thing: Market forces make it more efficient for one company to provide that commodity. In a free market, the former one would not be possible. So we're just left with "natural" monopolies to worry about.
It doesn't matter if the monopoly is formed via competition or merger, a natural monopoly is still a natural monopoly.

Plus, I'm pretty sure that all of these markets are regulated, since monopoly's are illegal in the US. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_antitrust_law
That outlaws cartels, not monopolies (please take note, that is the proper pluralization). And "pretty sure" is a poor basis for argument. Monopolies are anything but illegal in the US. You just have to go through proper channels to establish one.

Also, it is illegal to kill your opponent, so that's another regulation. Sounds silly? The drug market is truly unregulated. The free market turns out not to work very well there. Violence works.
The reason violence is the dispute resolution method of choice in the drug market is because of the regulations making participation in that market illegal. They have no legal means of resolving disputes.
289  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bitcoin Town: Let's Make the Future Come to us on: June 01, 2013, 12:12:50 AM
OK, let me make it really simple for you.


Advertising is not mind control.

I'm not trying to control anyone's minds, I'm trying to show them this AMAZING town.
And if they don't think it's as AMAZING as you do?

Then don't move there, how hard is that?
OK, progress. Now: what if not enough people think it's AMAZING enough to move there?

20 People is enough.
So you've planned everything out for only 20 laborers, including yourself? You've got everything fully thought-out for a small group of people, including how it will scale if more show up? And what to do if only 18 people fall for buy into your plan?
290  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The nature of Bitcoin does not fit Libertarianism; it *does* fit Max Stirner tho on: June 01, 2013, 12:08:48 AM
How would "call shotgun" possibly scale up?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_principle
291  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bitcoin Town: Let's Make the Future Come to us on: June 01, 2013, 12:06:41 AM
OK, let me make it really simple for you.


Advertising is not mind control.

I'm not trying to control anyone's minds, I'm trying to show them this AMAZING town.
And if they don't think it's as AMAZING as you do?

Then don't move there, how hard is that?
OK, progress. Now: what if not enough people think it's AMAZING enough to move there?
292  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bitcoin Town: Let's Make the Future Come to us on: June 01, 2013, 12:01:39 AM
OK, let me make it really simple for you.


Advertising is not mind control.

I'm not trying to control anyone's minds, I'm trying to show them this AMAZING town.
And if they don't think it's as AMAZING as you do?
293  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The nature of Bitcoin does not fit Libertarianism; it *does* fit Max Stirner tho on: May 31, 2013, 11:54:27 PM
That means there have to be institutions (minimal state or other forms of mediation) that would provide some legal backing for the concept of property

this is false, social customs can also provide property systems. a good example is here in the united states kids will "call shotgun" inorder to gain a property right over the front seat of a car, this property rule works very well at mitigating conflict and requires no institutions. It is purely based on custom and social norms, I've never heard of a parent needing to "enforce" the "calling shotgun" property rule.
I have. It basically amounts to saying, "Now, Geoffrey, Tommy called shotgun. You can ride in the front seat on the way home," though.

Essentially, mediation.
294  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bitcoin Town: Let's Make the Future Come to us on: May 31, 2013, 11:52:31 PM
OK, let me make it really simple for you.


Advertising is not mind control.
295  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This sums it up well. on: May 31, 2013, 11:48:42 PM
The poor will depend on the system. No way around it when you're born in a mud hole and told you won't be shit EVER. Not saying this is always the case but I'm surely seen it with my own eyes.. Most people that start at the bottom stay there because:

1. their born into poverty
2. lack education
3. skill-less and unmotivated

The third being a direct effect of the previous.
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man how to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime. Give a man a fish every day, he'll depend on your good graces to survive.
296  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The nature of Bitcoin does not fit Libertarianism; it *does* fit Max Stirner tho on: May 31, 2013, 11:46:10 PM
So something has to be physical to be valid enough property for you?
The key element of "property" is excludability. If someone randomly generates the same private key as you, you can't make them stop using it. If someone randomly walks into your house, you can kick them out.
297  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it true that the Fed is privately owned on: May 31, 2013, 11:41:41 PM
I'm not sure what we are talking about here. Monopoly's on money, or monopoly's in general?
Well, to stay strictly on-topic, we should limit the discussion to monopolies on money. Specifically, the service of providing the commodity that is used as money in a marketplace.
In a free market, I think monopoly's in general will almost certainly develop over things that are scarce. (Car's, food, computers, etc.) This is not a good thing, because it centralizes power.
This is patently and provably false. The computer market is one of the least regulated on the planet. Cars have only safety and emissions regulations to contend with (and many companies voluntarily exceed those regulations). Food, similarly, has only health and safety regulations, and a few labeling requirements. You chose the worst possible examples for natural monopolies, since all of those industries show robust competition, in a largely unregulated (free) market.
Since you can use anything as money though (hence it is not necessarily scarce) I agree with you (Myrkul) on the money part.
Well, at least you can see some sense.
298  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If Anarchy can work, how come there are no historical records of it working? on: May 31, 2013, 11:31:45 PM
Actually, my reply was intended to make your point more than anything else. Since it was arbitrary, I cherry picked. Mostly for lolz.
I know, and I chose to use that as a springboard for a rant, and to further make my point.  Wink It's nothing against you personally.
299  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The nature of Bitcoin does not fit Libertarianism; it *does* fit Max Stirner tho on: May 31, 2013, 11:28:21 PM
Your wallet is data (it's even got a .dat extension) and as such is not protected by property rights. Your harddrive (or other storage medium) is physical property, and it's that which is protected under property rights, including against trespass.
300  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If Anarchy can work, how come there are no historical records of it working? on: May 31, 2013, 11:23:05 PM
Glock elbow watermelon Chinese macaroni chicken?
Roughly translated,
"Imtrolololllinandnobodycanstopme.exe"
No, I'm asking you a legitimate question. Respond to it, if you would please. Or, admit you can't understand the question because I've made up definitions of the words I used to suit my own desires, and thus ruined any possibility of communicating.

Nah. Glock ain't got enough recoil to hurt your elbow unless you're really small, and watermelons don't go well with macaroni. At least in my experience.
Why can't anyone understand what I'm saying? That answer makes no sense, using the definitions of the words I have decided on!

I guess I will just have to explain them to you, since nobody gets the meanings I chose.
"Glock" is an interrogatory, indicating that the speaker desires to know the reason for the specified actions.
"elbow" is a verb, meaning take the trouble to do something.
"watermelon" is a preposition, used in conjunction with "elbow" to indicate the subject of the sentence.
"Chinese" is a noun, and the first part of the subject of my question, denoting the language we are currently using.
"macaroni" is a plural noun, and the second part of the subject of my question, indicating the single distinct meaningful elements of speech or writing.
"chicken" is an adverb, used in this case to mean "since that is so." It modifies "elbow."
So, I ask again, if you're going to pick out of thin air the meaning of the words you use, glock elbow watermelon Chinese macaroni chicken?
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