We have another year of this guys. Just stay level otherwise you will wear yourselves out.
So you're saying 4% gainz per day for a year will wear us out? Sure. xclnt point Well that would be $10.8 billion per bitcoin which would be nice. Hmm. One of us is wrong. Of course, decades after my Applied Math degree, I can hardly add any longer. I also got around 11 billion per Bitcoin (using an online compounding interest calculator, I am lazy). Umm... yeah. Same formula, different result. I must have miskeyed something. I likely had used '*' where I shoulda used '^'. Numbers check out as per hypothesis. Edited upthread. Mea culpa.
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We have another year of this guys. Just stay level otherwise you will wear yourselves out.
So you're saying 4% gainz per day for a year will wear us out? Sure. xclnt point Well that would be $10.8 billion per bitcoin which would be nice. Hmm. One of us is wrong. Of course, decades after my Applied Math degree, I can hardly add any longer. edit: OK. You were right. I must have miskeyed something.
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We have another year of this guys. Just stay level otherwise you will wear yourselves out.
So you're saying 4% gainz per day for a year will wear us out? Sure. xclnt point 1.04^365= 379.6 1,648,803379.6 1,648,803*6660.03=$ 2,528,147 10,981,079,343/BTC I wouldn't kick it outta bed for eating crackers. (edit: corrected figures as per strikeout and underline)
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And if that each person wanted to make just 32 transactions to different people bcash would need 30yrs to process that. Think about that!
I have thought about that. Today, that is indeed the case. Or even maybe longer - as 32MB is the currently supported max, which is subject to miners' decisions to create blocks smaller than max. Which is, of course, why there has been discussion within the BCH development community -- for as long as there has been a BCH -- on other orthogonal approaches to scaling. So while true today, it will be false for some value of 'tomorrow'. In the meantime, BCH is not suiciding itself for the sake of some illusory benefit of 'decentralization' along some axis that is entirely irrelevant.
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While I was referring to deletion of posts in non-anunymint threads, yeah, you're right on the anunymint thread posts. If they had posted any substantial content that could stand on it's own with a bit of editing, they're free to ping me via PM and I'll send over the BB code.
Unfortunately as you know, the affected users received no notification of the deletion so many of the dozens of people affected ostensibly do not know they are and we have no way to contact them because we also do not know who they were. For example, no complete archive was kept for the following two threads and I had some very important posts of his in these two threads which I can’t reconstruct even on STEEM because I didn’t archive them: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4579834.0;allhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4462571.0;allSo I would like to suggest a kind gesture on your part would be send everyone their posts from the above two linked threads, including mine on this account or the banned @anunymint account. Indeed. It is quite beyond the pale to delete posts of users not running afoul of any posting standards. Offensive, really.
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"Bitcoin Cash is centralized sockpupptery". Bitpico is now proving it true. https://twitter.com/bitPico/status/1017514874291843072We now understand the centralized nature of #bcash $bch. It is just a UAHF (user activated hard fork) Sybil setup to force the hands of all nodes and miners in the ecosystem. Without this setup @JihanWu & @rogerkver are powerless to control their network. Of course, a fundamental mistake is the errant premise that Bitcoin Cash somehow belongs to Jihan and Roger (see "their network" above). Another mistake is the odd dogma that non-mining validating entities have any effect on the network itself. The only power such non-mining validating entities have is to isolate themselves from the blockchain being built. Isolate? No, they are there to enforce the rules. If non-mining nodes did not have "any effect" on the network then would it be "ok" for only mining nodes to run, enforcing their rules and their rules only? News flash: they do. Yes they do, if they run their own nodes. Another news flash: miners run nodes. Indeed, in the design of Bitcoin, nodes are miners. But nevertheless, whether or not a miner chooses not to run a non-mining validating entity (I suppose this is what you mean when you improperly use the term 'node') has zero to do with the fact that the miners enforce their rules and their rules only. But let us ask ourselves this question, "Whose rules are the miners enforcing?"
Already answered. Those of the miners themselves. As per design. I believe the answer is easily answered by knowing what nodes the miners are running or what nodes their mining farms are connected to. Which will also give us another question, "Whose rules is the Bitcoin network enforcing, the Core developers or someone else's?"
Already answered. Those of the miners themselves. As per design. "They vote with their CPU power, expressing their acceptance of valid blocks by working on extending them and rejecting invalid blocks by refusing to work on them. Any needed rules and incentives can be enforced with this consensus mechanism." - 'Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System', Satoshi Nakamoto
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I believe Satoshi died with Dave and Hal.
Dave? Hal? WTF!? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FoRbdMvf.png&t=663&c=JWdxHM2XbsiEVQ) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FIbLaUSh.png&t=663&c=UH7zeWxLP2TqdQ) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FedlOMOq.png&t=663&c=lPZmJklBwhDy3A)
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Looking forward to some quality Schnorr FUD from Jbear and crew.
I don't know why you'd think that. I don't believe I have previously espoused an opinion on Schnorr sigs. You basically said Schnorr signatures would do nothing to alleviate the scaling issue. That would qualify as an opinion. Hmm. I guess you know more about my past postings than do I. Link? Schnorr can obviously reduce the size of txs that have multiple elements. I wouldn't say that is 'nothing'. If this be shown to be a reversal of a previously held opinion, then so be it. Of course, my final opinion would be driven by an analysis of not merely the benefits of Schnorr, but also its costs. edit: Oh - I see you've added the link. Thank you. I shall quote: Currently it would take over 30 years to send each person on earth a single Bitcoin transaction. Think about that.
Lightning does nothing to alleviate that. Segwit does nothing to alleviate that. Schnorr sigs does nothing to alleviate that. True enough. If you wish to send every person on earth a single Bitcoin tx (e.g., perhaps to open an LN channel), it will take on the order of three decades. And Schnorr indeed does nothing to alleviate that. It is a true statement, and it is not identical to "Schnorr signatures would do nothing to alleviate the scaling issue". Your assertion is shown to be false.
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Looking forward to some quality Schnorr FUD from Jbear and crew.
I don't know why you'd think that. I don't believe I have previously espoused an opinion on Schnorr sigs.
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Dear Jbear
Please cite from the White Paper.
Haha! Fine. Let's play. Dear HML - please cite the white paper with evidence for your assertions that: 1) "the miners were never intended on being a separate group from the users" 2) "Satoshi didn’t foresee ASICs" Hint: you can’t, because it’s not there other than a reference to SPVs
Hint: you can’t, because it’s not there. Period. As for 1), the material on SPV is normative proof that Satoshi was intending to enable non-mining users. As for 2), if you can't derive from the white paper that units that are 'better' at hashing will be 'more successful' at mining, I don't know what to say. In any event, it’s moot because we are where we are with miners holding significant power.
As per design.
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No. Kind of stupid though. Though I feel my reply to HairyMacLairy may have been too subtle. HML's statements were either ignorance under pretext of authority, or outright lies. I'm hoping for the first. And that HML will learn the truth from my reply. Whatever you think about whether or not Satoshi should be considered as authoritative, quite clearly he intended that not all would mine, and that ASICs would be employed. Whether or not intentional, HML's statements were demonstrably false. Quite frankly, your conflating of a religious mandate to correction of fact just marks you as an unthinking troll provocateur. I somehow expected better from you.
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PS the miners were never intended on being a separate group from the users.
“The design supports letting users just be users. The more burden it is to run a node, the fewer nodes there will be. Those few nodes will be big server farms. The rest will be client nodes that only do transactions and don’t generate.” - snSatoshi didn’t foresee ASICs.
“At first, most users would run network nodes, but as the network grows beyond a certain point, it would be left more and more to specialists with server farms of specialized hardware.” - sn
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I do not remember that Roger Ver asked the community for an opinion on this matter.
Of course he didn't. Roger had fuck-all to do with the creation of Bitcoin Cash. He climbed onboard only after the fork.
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many sheep blindly trust with no understanding of the subject
Word. the laughable part of this ban? there are so many shitposters, scammers taking money, post whores upping their post counts, shillers, sockpuppets etc, they are allowed to stay. but shelby, who shares knowlede, provides interesting insights and conversations, get banned. riiiiiight.
WordWord.
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"Bitcoin Cash is centralized sockpupptery". Bitpico is now proving it true. https://twitter.com/bitPico/status/1017514874291843072We now understand the centralized nature of #bcash $bch. It is just a UAHF (user activated hard fork) Sybil setup to force the hands of all nodes and miners in the ecosystem. Without this setup @JihanWu & @rogerkver are powerless to control their network. Of course, a fundamental mistake is the errant premise that Bitcoin Cash somehow belongs to Jihan and Roger (see "their network" above). Another mistake is the odd dogma that non-mining validating entities have any effect on the network itself. The only power such non-mining validating entities have is to isolate themselves from the blockchain being built. Isolate? No, they are there to enforce the rules. If non-mining nodes did not have "any effect" on the network then would it be "ok" for only mining nodes to run, enforcing their rules and their rules only? News flash: they do. Of course, this could be a rough proxy for signaling of preference of economic power. Too bad this signaling is subject to Sybilization into meaninglessness.
Why then did the NYA not use that strategy for btc1/2X? Apply brain. The question answers itself. Are you trying to obliquely deny that non-mining validating entities are subject to Sybil attack?
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this guy Roger has been screwing with peoples investments for a long time
What a strange assertion. Did Roger somehow reach out across the network and screw with your investment? What is the mechanism by which he accomplished this nefarious attack? "Bitcoin Cash is centralized sockpupptery". Bitpico is now proving it true. https://twitter.com/bitPico/status/1017514874291843072We now understand the centralized nature of #bcash $bch. It is just a UAHF (user activated hard fork) Sybil setup to force the hands of all nodes and miners in the ecosystem. Without this setup @JihanWu & @rogerkver are powerless to control their network. Of course, a fundamental mistake is the errant premise that Bitcoin Cash somehow belongs to Jihan and Roger (see "their network" above). Another mistake is the odd dogma that non-mining validating entities have any effect on the network itself. The only power such non-mining validating entities have is to isolate themselves from the blockchain being built. Of course, this could be a rough proxy for signaling of preference of economic power. Too bad this signaling is subject to Sybilization into meaninglessness. Forcing the decentralized portion of the network to upgrade to a hard fork codebase via a centralized Sybil attack is nonsensical? You do realize a #bcash $bch hard fork is scheduled and they are using these nodes to force the hands of the entire network. BitPico's 'attack' fell flat on its face due to programming errors, and they ignorantly attributed their failure to 'centralization'. Haha. Nice try. I'm sure we'll get to the stress test when they learn how to format a valid Bitcoin transaction. Curtis Ellis @KarlTheProgrmr Jul 12 More Last I saw @bitPico software was unable to create / validate transactions according to BCH rules. They were sending / propagating transactions without the fork ID flag in the sig hash type. Then got blocked from most nodes for not being compliant and claimed centralization.
Curtis Ellis @KarlTheProgrmr Jul 12 More @connolly_dan and I gave them some tips though, so hopefully they will be up and testing our network soon.
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"Bitcoin Cash is centralized sockpupptery". Bitpico is now proving it true. https://twitter.com/bitPico/status/1017514874291843072We now understand the centralized nature of #bcash $bch. It is just a UAHF (user activated hard fork) Sybil setup to force the hands of all nodes and miners in the ecosystem. Without this setup @JihanWu & @rogerkver are powerless to control their network. Of course, a fundamental mistake is the errant premise that Bitcoin Cash somehow belongs to Jihan and Roger (see "their network" above). Another mistake is the odd dogma that non-mining validating entities have any effect on the network itself. The only power such non-mining validating entities have is to isolate themselves from the blockchain being built. Of course, this could be a rough proxy for signaling of preference of economic power. Too bad this signaling is subject to Sybilization into meaninglessness. Forcing the decentralized portion of the network to upgrade to a hard fork codebase via a centralized Sybil attack is nonsensical? You do realize a #bcash $bch hard fork is scheduled and they are using these nodes to force the hands of the entire network. BitPico's 'attack' fell flat on its face due to programming errors, and they ignorantly attributed their failure to 'centralization'. Haha. Nice try. I'm sure we'll get to the stress test when they learn how to format a valid Bitcoin transaction. Curtis Ellis @KarlTheProgrmr Jul 12 More Last I saw @bitPico software was unable to create / validate transactions according to BCH rules. They were sending / propagating transactions without the fork ID flag in the sig hash type. Then got blocked from most nodes for not being compliant and claimed centralization.
Curtis Ellis @KarlTheProgrmr Jul 12 More @connolly_dan and I gave them some tips though, so hopefully they will be up and testing our network soon.
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Wtf does a grown man do with night vision goggles?
Prep.
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so no one has an idea on what happen at the CME?
tells a lot about the quality of the posters here... it's gonna be fun...
muppets everywhere...
pfft. BitcoinUserUnaffected.png
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Thanks for that link, jojo69 - the narrative of the AK build was hysterical. 'Plowshares into swords' indeed!
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