Ok I am wondering how does one determine what miner or if there pool found the block. I have not figured that out yet. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) 2 ways... First is to look at your logs and you'll see the message that the block was found. 2014-04-26 04:18:51.302213 GOT BLOCK FROM MINER! Passing to bitcoind!
Second is to look at your payout. If you found the block you get a 0.125 BTC reward for it. The reward for the block finder is 0.5%? I could've sworn I had read 5%. 0.5% does make more sense, though. Yup, you can verify it by looking at the code, too. 1/200 is given to address that finds the block, 99/200 is given to everyone else. From data.py: amounts = dict((script, share_data['subsidy']*(199*weight)//(200*total_weight)) for script, weight in weights.iteritems()) # 99.5% goes according to weights prior to this share this_script = bitcoin_data.pubkey_hash_to_script2(share_data['pubkey_hash']) amounts[this_script] = amounts.get(this_script, 0) + share_data['subsidy']//200 # 0.5% goes to block finder
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NH is different than BAN. Why people pay more for renting rigs than they can make is assuming those people are using your rigs strictly for mining BTC. There are a number of multi-pools and other coins that can be mined, which would hopefully give the buyer a larger profit than what he paid to rent your rig in the first place. You make a bit more than you would by strictly mining BTC by selling your hash. The buyer makes more than he would as explained in the previous sentence.
BAN's model is not sustainable. Yes, they are currently paying a bonus above and beyond what you can typically make; however, that bonus payout comes directly from their pockets. They introduced it as a way to entice miners to mine with them, and have clearly stated it is not intended to last indefinitely. There's a reason virtually every single PPS pool has disappeared over time, changed their payout model, or have charged large percentage fees. Think about it. To sustain itself the pool absolutely must consistently have better than expected luck. Otherwise, they're dipping into their wallet to payout all of the shares when a block takes more than the expected shares to solve.
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I have a miner that runs continuously on the pool, but is has not processed a share since i rebooted the server do to having to move its location. The block was found about 4am this morning and there was no pay ut to that miner, is that due to not finding a share, it is a older antminer s1 so kind of slow at 180gh
It'll take a while at 180gh/s. I'd argue that you should have at least 1 th/s to be on a conventional p2pool node. M Rubbish... You can get regular weekly payouts on P2Pool with as little as 10MH/s if you mine on NastyPool with the -PoP flag enabled. ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) lol... you'll notice he wrote "conventional p2pool node". 10MH/s... you'd be better off hitting a faucet ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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I have a miner that runs continuously on the pool, but is has not processed a share since i rebooted the server do to having to move its location. The block was found about 4am this morning and there was no pay ut to that miner, is that due to not finding a share, it is a older antminer s1 so kind of slow at 180gh
Your S1 has an expectation of 3.74 days to find a share at the current difficulty level. Yeah... it's kind of rough. As mdude77 wrote, a 1TH/s miner is pretty much the entry point to p2pool for expecting to regularly find shares and expecting to get a payout on every block found. At 1TH/s, you would expect to find a share every 16 hours or so.
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Is the reward to the miner or the nodes address? It's the miner right?
Reward goes to the miner. I guess we could look at the code to find out but per https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/P2Pool under the Payout logic section: A subsidy of 0.5% is sent to the node that solved the block in order to discourage not sharing solutions that qualify as a block. (A miner with the aim to harm others could withhold the block, thereby preventing anybody from getting paid. He can NOT redirect the payout to himself.) The remaining 99.5% is distributed evenly to miners based on work done recently. The reward goes to the miner who found the block, not the node. Trust me, I've not only looked at the code, but also have found a block and my miner was the one paid out, not my node's address.
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Ok I am wondering how does one determine what miner or if there pool found the block. I have not figured that out yet. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) 2 ways... First is to look at your logs and you'll see the message that the block was found. 2014-04-26 04:18:51.302213 GOT BLOCK FROM MINER! Passing to bitcoind!
Second is to look at your payout. If you found the block you get a 0.125 BTC reward for it. Is the reward to the miner or the nodes address? It's the miner right? Reward goes to the miner.
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Ok I am wondering how does one determine what miner or if there pool found the block. I have not figured that out yet. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) 2 ways... First is to look at your logs and you'll see the message that the block was found. 2014-04-26 04:18:51.302213 GOT BLOCK FROM MINER! Passing to bitcoind!
Second is to look at your payout. If you found the block you get a 0.125 BTC reward for it.
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What's your definition of "good" and "high payout"? You can expect that 1TH/s miner to earn about 0.01248BTC a day under ideal circumstances and current difficulty. Since it doesn't look like the difficulty is going to change very much, if at all, today that number is probably good for another 12-14 days.
There are a ton of options for you like p2pool, Eligius, BTCGuild, etc. Take a look and each pool has a thread here for you to do some more research and ask your questions.
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If this is so, How has it been paying Namecoins?? When p2pool has (As i believe only found 1 or 2 namecoins in total?)
Another question to top this one... Does p2pool merge mine full speed on linux or is it the same as windows. Bitcoin is the main coin (Full speed mined) & the others are all solo mined??
I have a follow up question but it depends on the answer i get back from this that will determine the way its asked...
Your information is wrong. P2Pool has found plenty of NMC blocks - heck, I've found 2 of them myself. The other pools like Eligius, GHash.io, etc pay NMC based upon users registering NMC addresses. What algorithms they use to determine how much NMC to pay to each miner are proprietary. I really don't think you're getting the whole merged mining thing, so let me try to explain it a little differently. Every single coin that can be merge mined with BTC does so by using AuxPoW. The share that was submitted to BTC is also tried as a solution against the other coins. If you look at your p2pool logs you'll see something like this: 2014-11-27 00:08:40.767254 Got new merged mining work!
If you happen to solve an alt coin block, you see something like this: 2014-11-27 00:08:31.127948 Merged block submittal result: True
This is exactly what happens on any other pool that is merge mining. While the logs might look different, the scenario is exactly the same: - The miners submit shares to the pool.
- The pool takes the share and sees if it solves any blocks of merged coins
In p2pool's case, it is the entire combined hashing power on the node that is used to check for solutions of the merge-mined coins. In Eligius' or GHash's case, it is the combined hashing power of the entire pool. In p2pool's case however, there is no built-in functionality to handle payouts of the merged coins to miners. The node owner gets the coins. There simply can't be the same kind of payout functionality as you see on those other pools in p2pool for the very reason that p2pool is decentralized and anonymous: you don't register. You can certainly build your own custom implementation of a pool that runs on the p2pool backend. Bitmain is trying this with AntPool. OgNasty/Nonnakip have done it with their nastyfans.org pool. If you do, then you're free to follow the more conventional pool approach to paying out merged coins.
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You can always mine from home... doesn't mean you're going to make anything from it... then again, it doesn't mean you're not going to make anything from it, either ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) .
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mmpool doesn't do what you're thinking. It's just another pool that merge mines the same coins as any other. There's nothing magical about what is going on there. Underneath the covers it's exactly what happens on your p2pool node - the hash is tried against the alt coins to see if it solves a block for any of them.
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You certainly can try to setup p2pool nodes for any coin. Rav3n's fork has quite a few coins setup, or if the one you're interested in is not there, you could try to set it up yourself if you know enough about the coin's inner workings.
Merged mining is a double-edged sword. Yes, it allows you to try a solution against multiple coins at once; however, at the same time it forces the coin's difficulty to skyrocket because it becomes tied in with BTC mining. NMC is a perfect example of this. NMC by itself is a pretty innovative idea. NMC merge-mined with BTC is just another alt coin, which is too bad. P2Pool isn't the only pool to merge mine NMC. Eligius does it, GHash.io does it, BTCGuild does it, BAN does it, etc. They do it because it's easy to implement and adds a revenue stream.
Breathing life into old ASICs doesn't work either. They are inefficient and unprofitable. Why stop at older ASICs? Why not try to breathe life into those old GPU rigs, or even back into your CPU? People have tried - new algorithms like X11 - give birth to new coins. Yes, there are some pretty interesting ideas out there like that hard drive coin, or actual commodity-based coins like cannabis coin, but again, the vast majority of those coins aren't going anywhere. I'm sure I'll get some flak for this and people will try to make convincing arguments about why their favorite flavor is the best. I'm certainly not stating you can't make a profit with those coins, but the profit isn't in the mining, it's in the trading game.
I applaud your enthusiasm. Unfortunately, people just aren't going to turn their miners from BTC to some other SHA-256 coin because none of them is worth doing so. OK, I'll grant you the diehards and the fanatics of a particular coin, but the vast majority will continue to mine BTC, and will do so with the most cost effective gear they can.
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You can't do what you're trying to accomplish. If you do indeed setup p2pool nodes for those SHA-256 coins and point your miners there, your miners will only be mining that particular coin. If you load balance like you say, then your miners will only allocate a percentage of their hashing time to that particular coin - so not full speed/full time like you want. Oh, and you may very well be the only p2pool node for the coin, which is effectively the same as solo mining anyway. Just a small correction to what windpath wrote. P2Pool can merge mine NMC, IXC, I0C, DVC, FSC and HUC only, not any/every SHA-256 coin you can get running as your memory allows (i.e. you can't merge mine OSC or TRC). I did a quick writeup in the p2pool thread about them, but in summary, the only coin even worth mining is NMC. IXC is no longer minting coins. I0C trades for about 1800 satoshi and you get 1.5 coins per block. DVC trades for about 8 satoshi each and you get 5000 coins per block. FSC is dead in the water. I don't mine HUC because I've never gotten it to properly build on my Mac so I can't give any help with it. You might have better luck on your Windows box with a pre-compiled wallet for it. I still mine the coins alongside BTC on my node because like PatMan wrote every little bit helps. Well, in my case every little bit helps the p2pool community because I donate the proceeds from trading the merged coins back to the pool ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) .
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I'm also showing the pool as dead. Oh well, it gave me the opportunity to update my cgminer to 4.8.0 and get my pi updated as well. My little U2s managed to find a 125M share some time in the past couple weeks... good for them. Now if they could just find one about 45G ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) .
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Maybe I missed it, but when do your payouts for the NastyPoP pool run? Is it once a week, daily, hourly, right after a block is found, 101 confirmations? Thanks!
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Anyone have a C1 pointing at p2pool? Mine seems to behave like my S2 pre-fix ... abysmal.
I was expecting the C1 to act like a S3, but it doesn't, it acts like an S2. Including the annoying "have to set queue to 0 every reboot" problem.
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I have C1's using P2Pool. Mine are getting the full 1000GH/s, but they do require the same re-setting of queue after a reboot. I also set the pseudo share difficulty. It has been discussed that setting pseudo difficulty does not effect the overall performance, however setting pseudo difficulty will make cgminer and the UI show the expected hashrate. I use +1028 (If you use +1024, Best Share is not displayed. But with +1028, best Share works. I have no idea why.) Regarding setting the queue, S2/S4/C1 all have the same OS configuration. Thanks, I was using 518. Are you using queue 0 or 1? M Doing as you said, setting queue to 0, gives me 965GH/s and 9% rejects. Completely unreasonable, just like my S2. M Why am I not surprised by this... Bitmain claims to want to support p2pool... but the only products they've ever released that worked with p2pool out of the gate are the S1 and S3. Even those products use forked versions of cgminer that until recently was based on 3.x. Furthermore, their binaries throw away stale shares, which can lead to potential block solutions being tossed.
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so true on this side and the trolls are forgetting that side even when that 10 percent is taken out BAN still kills the other pools as it works to a expected rigs earn on the PPS not like the other pools which are all down from it as the long term data above shows quite clear as NONE have hit the expected earns where BAN would of been on par with it... Even the other 2 true paying PPS POOLS that charge a fee in discus fish and the other one would of killed the PPNLS pools in that data.... AS discus fish is also a true paying PPS pool charging a 4 percent fee so that pool would also out done p2 pool BTC GUILD and elgiuis etc.....
And people wonder why discus grow so fast it cause people know how to use a calculator unlike the trolls in here and wanted a stop put to been ripped off by pool operators that use a pplns payout system or any of the other mod payouts eg the eliguis one etc....
Here you go spreading lies and misconceptions yet again. First you try to derail the thread by bringing Eligius into it - which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Now you're writing the same garbage about how BAN kills other pools and yet have not shown a single shred of evidence to prove your claims. I have PROVEN that p2pool outperformed BAN since BAN began, and I have PROVEN that p2pool crushed BAN during the testing period shown in the "BAN is the best" thread. Put your BTC where your mouth is. Show me the evidence of how BAN is crushing p2pool. You can't because such evidence doesn't exist. Lmao any normal person that knows how to use a bitcoin calculator can work this out.. We do not need to post anything as on a TRUE PPS paying pool earnings match your rigs expected earnings minus the pool fee if there is one eg discus at 4 percent or in BAN case zero fees DAY in and out A true PPS paying pool is one of the most open and upfront paying methods that a pool operator can use as there NO way to hide things as joe bloggs has only got to do the above to work out their payouts and if it does not match (1-2 percent margin for hash) you know the pool not paying right And to the second part of this post there was a 20 day test ran and the info is over in the BAN thread... In that test BAN paid 50 percent higher than p2 Once again you provide no evidence at all to support your claim. I have clearly shown that p2pool has out-performed BAN since BAN has been in existence. This thread is not a philosophical discussion about the merits of one payout system vs another. There are plenty of threads debating the benefits of each. The thread is here to provide data on p2pool and to compare it to BAN since that data was not included in the BAN thread. Furthermore, this thread exists to squelch the lies about how p2pool is somehow broken that you in particular have spread around the forum. To recap: a miner who mined p2pool from 7/20 until 11/26 would have made 112.63% of expected earnings. If you have done better, prove it. Show the wallet and the payouts as I have. I welcome it.
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so true on this side and the trolls are forgetting that side even when that 10 percent is taken out BAN still kills the other pools as it works to a expected rigs earn on the PPS not like the other pools which are all down from it as the long term data above shows quite clear as NONE have hit the expected earns where BAN would of been on par with it... Even the other 2 true paying PPS POOLS that charge a fee in discus fish and the other one would of killed the PPNLS pools in that data.... AS discus fish is also a true paying PPS pool charging a 4 percent fee so that pool would also out done p2 pool BTC GUILD and elgiuis etc.....
And people wonder why discus grow so fast it cause people know how to use a calculator unlike the trolls in here and wanted a stop put to been ripped off by pool operators that use a pplns payout system or any of the other mod payouts eg the eliguis one etc....
Here you go spreading lies and misconceptions yet again. First you try to derail the thread by bringing Eligius into it - which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Now you're writing the same garbage about how BAN kills other pools and yet have not shown a single shred of evidence to prove your claims. I have PROVEN that p2pool outperformed BAN since BAN began, and I have PROVEN that p2pool crushed BAN during the testing period shown in the "BAN is the best" thread. Put your BTC where your mouth is. Show me the evidence of how BAN is crushing p2pool. You can't because such evidence doesn't exist.
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It's like he just jumped right in the boat without even bothering to put up a fight. Too bad his response offered up absolutely nothing of value. I really do wish someone who's been mining on BAN would come and share their experience and payouts so we can see just how they actually do. Good luck on that wish. Based on their thread(s), it's nothing but people who can't spell, perform basic arithmetic, or understand that -10% fee PPS is going to end in a lot of people getting fucked over if they're not already. Whether or not a PPS model is sustainable at all, let alone paying at 110% is another subject entirely, and one that has been addressed in the BAN thread. Those of us who actually do comprehend basic arithmetic certainly know the answer. Unfortunately, as you stated, the majority of the replies in that thread, and indeed the one provided here by fire000 are basically gibberish - full of spelling mistakes, grammatical errors and incomplete or run-on sentences. Of course, by pointing that out I'm quite sure somebody will come here and write about how spelling correctly is not necessary, or that proper sentence structure is not needed to convey their arguments. I'm quite convinced that nobody will appear to provide evidence as I have, but rather that this thread will devolve into mindless ravings by a bunch of fanatics who lack the basic ability to have a rational debate. Oh well. Maybe I'll be surprised. Tis the season, after all ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) .
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P2Pool is working great for me, with both latest stock firmware and CK's custom CGminer build.
Really? They finally got their p2pool issues solved? That's great. It's one of the reasons I sold my S2 back in July and never purchased the S4 when it came out. Now, with the $400 coupon I've got, I might reconsider... $800 for a 2TH/s machine... of course the SP20 is $695 for 1.7TH/s until Monday and I've got plenty of PSUs around because of my S3s. Hmmm... Sorry for the off topic response to your question, OP. Here's something relevant for you: S4s seemed to do considerably better mining on pools where a higher starting vardiff was provided. Pools like BTCGuild and GHash.io, F2Pool and AntPool all seemed to work well with it. Now, based on Prelude's comment, perhaps the S4 will work well with all pools.
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