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2841  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Entire World Just Found Out about Bitcoin! on: September 05, 2012, 10:56:28 PM
https://i.imgur.com/6oZVa.jpg

To be honest, I'm sure all kinds of blackmail threats are made towards candidates every election year.  What's notable about this one - hoax or not - is that it became public.
2842  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why are bitcoin exchange operators so inept? on: September 05, 2012, 07:58:05 PM
It's an economic problem. A startup company wants to reduce costs as much as they can. In the case of Bitcoin exchanges, that means forgoing security audits, insurance and bonding in order to get something out now. The users don't notice security problems because these involve back end processes that they never directly engage with. In any event, these startups are paying the price for cutting corners handling other people's money. And the users are paying the price for leaving significant sums of money in an account that has no auditing and no insurance.

Pretty much this.  Most Bitcoin start-ups are launched on the smell of an oily rag.  If they're moderately successful, any profits they're making are chewed up by rapid growth so they never have the money to invest in infrastructure unless they seek outside funds for that purpose.  Most people also probably grossly under-estimate the amount of fraud and intrusion attempts they'll have to deal with as well.

Users need to accept the inherent risk in leaving funds on exchanges, and especially those which are doing everything as cheaply as possible or making compromises for convenience because their business has grown and they can't afford to hire additional staff.
2843  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Romney's tax returns - first Bitcoin extortion? on: September 05, 2012, 07:40:42 PM

My guess would be the odd tiny transactions are binary code of some sort, perhaps adding up to a message like "lulz."  But whoever did this apparently does have some knowledge of the network and how to mask transactions to some extent.

My first belief was they were just completely throwaway accounts created never to be used.  Some people went to some trouble to put a small amount of money in them in oddly structured transactions, though.

It's probably people here leaving binary messages just for shit and giggles.  Just because whoever created the accounts intended them as throwaways doesn't mean that people can't send BTC to them for fun now that the addresses are public.
2844  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: bitfloor needs your help! on: September 05, 2012, 07:25:53 PM
Is this going to be yet another theft which doesn't get reported to the police?
2845  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: {ANNOUNCEMENT} WBX Exchange Frozen on: September 05, 2012, 07:14:15 PM
So do I need to speak to an Australian lawyer about how to proceed?  I don't want to spend the little remaining funds on legal expenses, but also don't want to do the wrong thing and end up in legal trouble as a result.

I'd just contact ITSA for advice.  There's a toll-free number residents of some countries can use or you could email them if you want stuff in writing.

http://www.itsa.gov.au/dir228/itsaweb.nsf/docindex/contacts-%3Econtact%20us

I'm not convinced that the other directors of HNWP aren't just as liable as Andre, but that's only an issue if people are lodging lawsuits.  
2846  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does Bruce have a deal for you... on: September 05, 2012, 07:06:08 PM
Fuck bruce. He is a pedophile con man, and this forum became a better place when we ran him off.


Why even bring him up? He hasn't been part of the forum for over a year, and almost everyone here (those that remember him anyways) hates him.

Because he's still out there scamming people.  Newer people probably haven't even heard of him, so he gets to claim whatever he wants elsewhere until he's challenged.  He only got run off this forum because people elsewhere dug into his background and hit pay-dirt. Even if he's no longer promoting himself here, he's still a potential Bitcoin drama-bomb.
2847  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: bitfloor needs your help! on: September 05, 2012, 10:13:14 AM
The story got picked up quickly by Arstechnica, C-Net et all.
2848  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Project will be making a major announcement in September on: September 05, 2012, 09:19:38 AM
A great announcement would be that McDonalds will accept BTC worldwide. I cannot imagine anything more disruptive than allowing everyone on the planet to buy food with BTC earned by doing microtasks online.

Unless McDonalds has paid $25 million for the privilege of using Bitcoin and Bitcoin has secured over $200 million dollars in venture capital, that would be a bit of a "day late and a dollar short" announcement compared to Starbucks accepting Square.
2849  Other / Meta / Re: "Long-term offers" - gonna have to tackle this 1 eventually on: September 05, 2012, 08:38:39 AM

I think a separate top-level domain for everything under the Marketplace heading would be the right thing to do.


Agree.

If they are going to stay, do not police them. You will make mistakes and nothing could be better for a ponzi operator than to get whatever stamp of approval the forum starts handing out.

But I think they should go.

If you want to let people talk about whatever it can be in off-topic it doesn't need a serious sounding name like "Securities".

Talking about them isn't the problem, it's the active promotion and solicitation.  If the "business" is happening elsewhere, then we won't have dozens of "where's my money" threads here whenever a business fails.  Look at reddit - they discuss the hacks and failures but the reason why we get dozens of threads about each failure here is because it's here where the schemes are launched and promoted and where the operators have solicited users.
2850  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why I trust Patrick Harnett on: September 05, 2012, 08:32:19 AM
If there's one way to unravel any semblance of professionalism you've built up for your business over many months, it's to have your spouse suddenly appear and start engaging in personal slanging matches with your detractors.
2851  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Romney's tax returns - first Bitcoin extortion? on: September 05, 2012, 08:05:31 AM

Could take quite a while to reach $ 1 million at this rate.
2852  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Discussion about 10,000BTC Bet (Official) on: September 05, 2012, 07:50:44 AM
On 9th, anger will flood the streets.

The 9th is nearly over in many parts of the world.   Wink
2853  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Romney's tax returns - first Bitcoin extortion? on: September 05, 2012, 07:10:51 AM
It could just be a ploy to get more attention for Bitcoin.

I consider this the most likely scenario.  It's clear that whoever posted the pastebin doesn't care about whether the information they supposedly went to great trouble to obtain is released or not (why even explain how you supposedly obtained the information, if that's the case), but there's a chance that a story about Romney being "blackmailed" over his tax records will get mainstream media attention - something  Bitcoin hasn't managed to achieve yet (the technology sections of newspapers don't really count).  If you wanted Bitcoin to get mentioned in the 6pm news bulletin of major TV networks or the political section of major newspapers, this might be one way to make that happen - for better or worse.
2854  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Romney's tax returns - first Bitcoin extortion? on: September 05, 2012, 06:49:03 AM
I wonder if this is real too. But it's pretty smart. I doubt PW would pay anything here but the extortionist may just be hoping the rest of the public will contribute to getting info released. Either way he gets funds going into either address. Is this the first instance of mass public extortion? I mean telling the world they can see the tax records only if in total they pay out. I guess we'll see if this gets picked up by the mainstream media or if word has been put out to quash it, or if it turns out to be baloney.

Even the threat of extortion would probably be illegal wouldn't it, whether the person posting the message possesses the information referred to or not?
2855  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Romney's tax returns - first Bitcoin extortion? on: September 05, 2012, 06:26:29 AM
I find it odd that this is the only paper to report this..

I'm convinced that papers no longer go looking for stories but wait for people to send them leads to stuff found online (and then reprint it without any fact checking whatever was in the first report).

I've seen stories go national after first appearing on a messageboard and then getting picked up by local media, but how much this gets picked up will depend on how many people bring the pastebin to the attention of larger media outlets.

I assume those Bitcoin addresses have never been used for previous transactions (or that they belong to someone the hoaxer really hates).
2856  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Romney's tax returns - first Bitcoin extortion? on: September 05, 2012, 06:21:48 AM
Hasn't there already been a tax return hoax already? Too bad they didn't just give the info to wikileaks without the ransom. This is the next evolution of journalism if this works.

I'm more interested in the extent to which there'll be an attempt to locate the owner of the Bitcoin addresses.  Y'all seem to take threats towards your presidential candidates pretty seriously over there and investigate everything which could be remotely construed as a threat.
2857  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Romney's tax returns - first Bitcoin extortion? on: September 05, 2012, 05:58:53 AM
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An anonymous individual or group is alleging that they have gained "all available 1040 tax forms" of GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney by accessing computers in the Franklin office of the professional services firm PricewaterhouseCoopers.

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"All major news media outlets are going to be sent an encrypted copy of the most recent tax years that your company had on file since you did not have them all in a convenient electronic form. The years before 2010 will be of great interest to many. If the parties interested do not want the encrypted key released to the public to unlock these documents on September 28 of this year then payment will be necessary.

The deal is quite simple. Convert $1,000,000 USD to Bitcoins (Google if if you need a lesson on what Bitcoin is) using the various markets available out in the world for buying. Transfer the Bitcoins gathered to the Bitcoin address listed below. It does not matter if small amounts or one large amount is transferred, as long as the final value of the Bitcoins is equal to $1,000,000 USD at the time when it is finished. The keys to unlock the data will be purged and what ever is inside the documents will remain a secret forever.

http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/city-news/anonymous-group-allegedly-hacked-romney-tax-records-franklin-firm

While the claim of possessing Romney's tax records may well be bullshit, I'm guessing that any extortion threat towards a Presidential candidate is going to attract serious investigation - including an attempt to identify the owner of the Bitcoin address in question.

This could get interesting.
2858  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does Bruce have a deal for you... on: September 05, 2012, 02:57:26 AM
oh lordy lordy. he cannot be serious?

"green paper cash". lol.
 
Better yet, he identifies your deposits by the amount of cents in your deposit instead of by a user reference number or a transaction number.  Nothing could possibly go wrong with that idea.
2859  Other / Off-topic / Does Bruce have a deal for you... on: September 05, 2012, 02:48:19 AM
Wanna buy Bitcoins at USD 17.81 each?  He's your man.

http://buybitcoin.com/home/price/

But wait, there's more.

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What are the best ways to buy Bitcoins?

Cash Bank Deposit  (Inside the USA only)
Fedex, UPS, DHL, or Postal Mail Cash  (Worldwide)
Credit Card, Debit Card, or Gift Card  (Worldwide)
PayPal or other Payment Service  (Worldwide)
Western Union or MoneyGram  (Worldwide)

But...

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If you send a payment by any method that is not authorized by us — as explained clearly on this FAQ page — your payment will NOT be processed.

If you attempt to deposit anything other than green paper US currency as US dollars, or…
If you attempt to make any other sort of direct account transfer to any of our accounts, or…
If you mail any sort of payment, or…
If you use any other form of payment method or system that is not explicitly permitted on this page, or…
If you send less that our required minimum purchase amount, or more than our allowed maximum purchase amount,

Your payment will NOT be processed.    and…
You will NOT receive Bitcoins, nor any refund.


Our “receiving” the payment, whether it was made by mail, bank transfer, deposit, or any other method, is NOT an acknowledgment of any agreement to process your purchase order.

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Currently, the only approved payment methods are listed here:

Cash Bank Deposit  (Inside the USA only)
Fedex, UPS, DHL, or Postal Mail Cash  (Worldwide)

See what he did there?  The list of "best payment methods" is significantly different to the list of payment methods he accepts - and he won't refund you if you send him payment by an "unapproved" method.

I just know that you'll want to check out his forum, too and learn about his other new business ventures.

http://brucewagner.com/forum/
2860  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: bitfloor needs your help! on: September 05, 2012, 01:52:35 AM
The only people profiting from bitcoin are hackers. Fuck this shit.

I haven't lost anything yet from bitcoin but it does seem like hackers are just having a field day with it.  As much as everyone hates Mt.Gox because of the cost to put money on there and the loss of anonymity, it seems like they have the best methods on there.  I feel like bit floor should have known better than to have all of their coins in a hot wallet after btc-e and other hacks.  

Exchanges are damned if they do and damned if they don't.  People want the convenience of being able to do instant withdrawals and transfers without any of the risk.

Small Bitcoin services which hold large amounts of other people's BTC are hacker magnets and intruders know that such services are often one or two man operations without capital reserves to invest in infrastructure.  They're soft targets.  Security needs to be baked in from the day a service is created but many Bitcoin services are more concerned about rushing to market than they are about security (they probably tell themselves they'll invest in "proper" security once the profits are rolling in, not realising that a rapidly expanding business often makes little or no profit).

Until Bitcoin service providers lift their game security-wise, people should severely limit the amount of BTC they store on such services.   Bitcoins stored on a service are always at risk.  You accept the risk of them being lost or stolen by leaving them on deposit with a service.
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