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miners are currently working against themselves by increase the diff for nothing, just to still bitcoin to other farm, they are not increase their profitability
i hope they are clever enough to keep adding device yo their farm, it's pointless, only good for increase their electricity
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if the 1060 does 300 sol at 87 watt it's not better than a 1070 that can reach 400 sol at 100watt
if it was the 3GB version that i would say it is better because of the price but the 6gb is expensive
My 1070's does 365 Sol/s at 90W (no OC) so yes, you probably right about it, 1070 is still better  I don't have a 3GB version to test, but i will never buy one anyway, because in a year from now it would be very difficult to sell, because nobody will want a 3GB card anymore, even the GTX 970 G1 Gaming which is a fantastic gpu, is difficult to sell well nowadays because of the memory. if i can get my hands on one i will do the tests and report. this is my exact reason why i ignored the 3gb version, for resale value also it's on the way the new pascal refresh, 2070 and 2080 model they are faster than current one but same price, another reason not to have a dead card that cannot be resold If they release those two GPU's with GDDR5X it will suffer the same issues as the 1080, assuming they haven't figured out the latency issue. the current hashrate of a 1080 is better than the 1070, there is no issue with zcash but with dagger for what i understood GTX 1080 2560 20 530 sol/s 26.5 GTX 1070 1920 15 430 sol/s 28 2/3 GTX 1060 1280 10 300 sol/s 30 GTX 1060 3GB 1152 9 273 sol/s 30 1/3 I was thinking more of how it compares with per compute core performance. and the largest jumps are between the GTX 1060 and 1070. If I had numbers it would also be between the GTX 1060 3GB and GTX 1050 Ti even if I gave the GTX 1050 Ti the 10% increase it should be around 156 sol's and the GTX 1050 would be around 138  core clock should be considered it will be much higher |
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it will not be at all what you said, last time was 1200-800--600---200, right now is 700-1200-800-900 this time is completely different than 2013, this increase is rock solid from 200, that one was certainly not you are comparing an increase of 10x in 2013, to one of 33%, it's clear which one was just pump and dump I don't care about the price, hype or manipulation. I look at protocol and network fundamebtals and how basic markets and economics can work.
Yet literally 90% of your threads are doomsday crap about the price about to drop with no reason, no evidence and frankly no logic. You've been wrong so many times it's impossible to take you as a credible source at this point. My predictions are based on the critical issues i pointed out above and on many other occasions. However, this is not the only effect at work. Hype and manipulation are an extremely strong factor still. This does not mean my points are invalid. At best it means i have underestimated the strength of the hype and manipulation in the past. they are going to fix the scaling at least in part, a 2MB hardfork was supposed to happen this year, since miners are rejecting segwit apparently |
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if the 1060 does 300 sol at 87 watt it's not better than a 1070 that can reach 400 sol at 100watt
if it was the 3GB version that i would say it is better because of the price but the 6gb is expensive
My 1070's does 365 Sol/s at 90W (no OC) so yes, you probably right about it, 1070 is still better I don't have a 3GB version to test, but i will never buy one anyway, because in a year from now it would be very difficult to sell, because nobody will want a 3GB card anymore, even the GTX 970 G1 Gaming which is a fantastic gpu, is difficult to sell well nowadays because of the memory. if i can get my hands on one i will do the tests and report. this is my exact reason why i ignored the 3gb version, for resale value also it's on the way the new pascal refresh, 2070 and 2080 model they are faster than current one but same price, another reason not to have a dead card that cannot be resold If they release those two GPU's with GDDR5X it will suffer the same issues as the 1080, assuming they haven't figured out the latency issue. the current hashrate of a 1080 is better than the 1070, there is no issue with zcash but with dagger for what i understood |
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Bitcoin could have hit $2000 but it seems their are too many people pulling back the price whenever it exhibits some momentum by dumping..
i don't think so, it just went high too fast and of course it was dumped for profit, who dumped bought back and has established a new bottom |
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was i mean is that the bitcoin need only to be above the electricity cost in value, to be profitable for them to mine, the diff is climbing now because the value is very high
otherwise if it was low it would stay the same, miners are not that stupid to add other device in that case, so i would not take account of the diff increase
also their new equipment can roi in no time because they have a huge hashpower already
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you would really need a lot of money to do this and would still take a high risk. plus we can profit by selling high and buying low. so why should i care. bitcoin is all about the price lately anyways.
you said it as you know when it is high and when it is low, could you have predicted the bottom and then the current value? i really doubt their manipulation is to eat fish that think can predict the market, like you and other, and yes they have plenty of bitcoin to manipulate the market, miners alone have in the range of 100k if not more this estimate can be easily achievement with the big miners farm that worked for all these years, i also believe that some of the big pool can work together to manipulate the price if it is done at their advantage |
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it's all those thing together and it work better than gold, because it act a meant of payment too as a better one than gold
one can argue that all the pump and dump will not make it a good store of value, because your money can depreciate fast, but what you need to follow is the average increase
if you look from the beginning bitcoin is increase each year, the peak and the bottom count basically zero
and if it wasn't a digital currency it would not have this value at all, just take a look at the altscene they are bound to fail because of this reason
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supply and demand, but china play a big role in manipulating the market, because they control the mining activity and they invested a lot in cash, they also are far great in number than other in the world
this mean that their influence will have a greater effect, then you have the panic sellers and dumpers which follow the trend, and magnify the trend in play
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it is and it's the reason why the government don't like it, and why in some country it's banned, but there are way to know if your money were used for illegal activity
the so called "taunt"(if i remember correctly) bitcoin, have their value reduced this was also a problem for the bitcoin fungibility
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hey guys , i can tell you that over 500 sol on a gtx 1070 Zotac mini i have reached yesterday, i think i saw yesterday on my card 525 sol by core clock 195 and and memory at 602. on full Power mode 112 % no problem you can reach 500 sol easy :-)
consumption is probably 180watt with that oc, not worth it |
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500 H/s from single graphic card hitted!
Looking for that for a while.
Anyway Claymore has updated his miner, up to 6-8%. In fact it's time to update EWBF.
Our cards are already faster than AMD at less power, but I'll always take more speed - improved speed for most cards, up to 8% (depends on card model). About 340H/s on stock 390X, 255H/s on stock RX480, 320H/Fury x on stock Nano. seems that the 1060 is the new king here, $200 for 300 sol at 70watt, not even the 1070 is better I do 400 @ 92w but the price is half, so yeah pretty much what you say, king  not sure anymore, it seems only the 6gb can do 300 sol, reports from users are not very clear, it depend on the model i guess, and the wattage is unknown but the 6GB don't cost half of a 1070, more like 1/3 less Yeah it depend on the model, if i take the EVGA roughtly the price is 199€ for 1060 3GB - 250€ for 1060 6GB - 499€ for 1070 but that's the price we have here gonna be different for everyone of course. I'll have a closer look @ this, for faster ROI 1060 could be interesting, but overall the 1070 is still the best when you think longevity i think at 499 definitely it's still better to go with the 6gb version of the 1060, but i have the 1070 at 420 euro here |
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That seems to be true, although on ethereum it does not mine as good as amd cards, i've seen alot of coins come and pass while ethereum is still somehow standing, so will focusing on mining zcash will be worth it? and will it be a long process like ethereum is?
etheruem it's not worth it anymore, i see better future for anon coin, also they are planning to reduce the reward, the same for exapanse, and shift is dead, so all the dag algo are doomed to fail |
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if the 1060 does 300 sol at 87 watt it's not better than a 1070 that can reach 400 sol at 100watt
if it was the 3GB version that i would say it is better because of the price but the 6gb is expensive
My 1070's does 365 Sol/s at 90W (no OC) so yes, you probably right about it, 1070 is still better I don't have a 3GB version to test, but i will never buy one anyway, because in a year from now it would be very difficult to sell, because nobody will want a 3GB card anymore, even the GTX 970 G1 Gaming which is a fantastic gpu, is difficult to sell well nowadays because of the memory. if i can get my hands on one i will do the tests and report. this is my exact reason why i ignored the 3gb version, for resale value also it's on the way the new pascal refresh, 2070 and 2080 model they are faster than current one but same price, another reason not to have a dead card that cannot be resold |
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500 H/s from single graphic card hitted!
Looking for that for a while.
Anyway Claymore has updated his miner, up to 6-8%. In fact it's time to update EWBF.
Our cards are already faster than AMD at less power, but I'll always take more speed - improved speed for most cards, up to 8% (depends on card model). About 340H/s on stock 390X, 255H/s on stock RX480, 320H/Fury x on stock Nano. seems that the 1060 is the new king here, $200 for 300 sol at 70watt, not even the 1070 is better I do 400 @ 92w but the price is half, so yeah pretty much what you say, king not sure anymore, it seems only the 6gb can do 300 sol, reports from users are not very clear, it depend on the model i guess, and the wattage is unknown but the 6GB don't cost half of a 1070, more like 1/3 less Maybe I can clear it up a little (too bad i didn't film it when i did the tests yesterday) Rig used: AM1M-S2H with APU 5350, PSU sentey 80 Plus (superflower desing) 850W, bronce-gold efficiency, no HDD (flashdrive) linux 1404 Power: 18Wwith card Gigabyte GTX 1060 (6GB) G1 Gaming Version 1 (and no, it does not whine at all hehe), At 80W TPL, runing EWBF 010b, 98% utilization Power: 105W (so 105 - 18 = 87W)measured at the wall with two meters, a direct type (industrial panel meter trueRMS, that gets W, VA, A, V) and with a top of the line appa trueRMS clamp meter same measure exactly). the card is extremely efficient, i think it's better in terms of efficiency compared to GTX 1070 but, at least here in my country, the price doesn't make sense. Gigabyte GTX 1070 G1 Gaming costs here: 675 US Dollars Gigabyte GTX 1060 G1 Gaming (6GB version) costs here: 506 US dollars so, because of the price here 1070 is better, but looking at international prices, it would be better 1060 i think. i can do tests with same rig with 1070's and 970s if anyone's interested on that data. i have those test equipments because it's what i do for a living (power electronics) if the 1060 does 300 sol at 87 watt it's not better than a 1070 that can reach 400 sol at 100watt if it was the 3GB version that i would say it is better because of the price but the 6gb is expensive |
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500 H/s from single graphic card hitted!
Looking for that for a while.
Anyway Claymore has updated his miner, up to 6-8%. In fact it's time to update EWBF.
Our cards are already faster than AMD at less power, but I'll always take more speed - improved speed for most cards, up to 8% (depends on card model). About 340H/s on stock 390X, 255H/s on stock RX480, 320H/Fury x on stock Nano. seems that the 1060 is the new king here, $200 for 300 sol at 70watt, not even the 1070 is better I do 400 @ 92w but the price is half, so yeah pretty much what you say, king not sure anymore, it seems only the 6gb can do 300 sol, reports from users are not very clear, it depend on the model i guess, and the wattage is unknown but the 6GB don't cost half of a 1070, more like 1/3 less |
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What is the hash rate on gtx 1060 3G on last version? Does it affect on speed 3G and 6G card version?
I just tested a (borrowed) Gigabyte GTX 1060 G1 Gaming 6GB version 1 (no coil whine btw) at 80W TPL i get 262 Sol/s Stock (no OC) at 90W TPL i get 248 Sol/s Stock (WTF?? more power consumption less hashrate? ,crazy!) i cannot test below 80W TPL because my driver is a little old, but i wouldn't be surprise that at 70W TPL the card will perform better and hash more What i didn't like it's the temperature, 64 C (core) at 80W TPL, WHAT??, My GTX 1070 G1 Gaming barely gets over 57 C at 90W TPL. Also the backplane is so hot that you can barely touch it. I don't have a 3GB version but it should be 10% less hashrate, not less. (because of less cuda cores). Test done on Lubuntu 1404, Cuda 8, driver 367.44. are you sure about getting 9only 262 sol? another guy reported 300 sol good job:
1070 +100 core , power limit. 70 = 430ish
1060 6g +100 core , power limit 70 = stable 300
1080 +100 core = stable 530
950 +51 core, +195 mem, PL 80 = 136sol's
1060 3GB +185 core, +350 mem, PL 80 = 268-273
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the most efficient is not on amd for sure, the 1060 seems to be the best deal for zcash, it can hash at 300 sol and only 70watt, no other gpu come close
price is also cheap so amd fanboy will not have excuse about "overpriced gpu"
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500 H/s from single graphic card hitted!
Looking for that for a while.
Anyway Claymore has updated his miner, up to 6-8%. In fact it's time to update EWBF.
Our cards are already faster than AMD at less power, but I'll always take more speed - improved speed for most cards, up to 8% (depends on card model). About 340H/s on stock 390X, 255H/s on stock RX480, 320H/Fury x on stock Nano. seems that the 1060 is the new king here, $200 for 300 sol at 70watt, not even the 1070 is better |
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well it depend on the specs, first batch would probably be on par with gpu, you can't kill gpu mining, the money will simply move elsewhere
to monero/zcoin(new algo) to lbry again/something new
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