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2861  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🏈🏈 The American Football Discussion Thread 🏈🏈 on: June 11, 2021, 04:14:49 AM

It's a classic... learned a lot from those guys, about FF, life, and love. And then there's also Raffi.

You want to make the winner's trophy a homage to your high school girlfriend?

Should have just handed Marshawn the ball. Smiley


Raffi was a fucking trip, lol put taco to shame. Smiley
2862  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 11, 2021, 04:12:50 AM
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With what I was describing it could be set in the variables that 100mb blocks would be completely cost prohibited. Did you even read what I wrote? Maybe I should flow chart it for you so that you can grasp the variables that would make such a system live within a specific set of rules all of which are taken from a previous set of rules that already exist and therefore follow a similar trend without having the ability to change rapidly.


Nevermind after reading the responses its apparent this subject still can't be talked about without insults flying around.
2863  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 11, 2021, 02:06:19 AM
Why not a adjustable limit based on a previous median timeframe?

Because on top of compromising decentralization for usability (the degree of compromise can and has been argued to death, and no there's no free lunch here) it introduces new attack vectors

Could you link that explanation for me, I'm not aware of how compromising decentralization could happen in this instance?

I'm usually pretty good at identifying attack vectors but I don't see the one here.
2864  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 11, 2021, 01:58:35 AM
... whatever scheme you think you can up with imposing a new limit ( a dynamic limit is the same problem which you seem to have ignored since the dynamic limit also needs to have it's own limit) you'll need a hard fork for that .... and after the bigblockers contaminated all further possibilities of hard-forks with disingenuity and arguing in bad faith that split the development and mining community, I can confidently say bitcoin, as we know it, will never have another hard fork, i.e. any fork will be forked off by opportunists into new coins and the un-hardforked coin will always be known as bitcoin.

Well I didn't ignore it I said it could be set on a median which would depend on a timeframe.

IOW lets say we wanted to make the timeframe the last month so whats that like 4300 blocks and we take the average transaction size from those and that is the base number and then we decide on a bounding range to allow for upper limit before the fee kicks in. The range of the blocksize would stabalize with the market forces setting it. It could shrink as well if the transaction count goes down over the median timeframe. All the variable could be set by the devs as they have a much better understanding of the underlying structure. but this is a pretty academic approach that I'm not wondering why I've never seen it discussed. but to be fair I stayed out of all the block threads because it was just a fucking nightmare to follow and I didn't feel competent enough to have an opinion on the subject.

AFA never having another hard fork, I agree with you if something cannot be soft forked in then its DOA. And that is bitcoins biggest failure as far as I can see, there are far too many that put their own priorities before the networks. Its become like government where nothing can get done without all out war.
2865  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: June 11, 2021, 01:31:58 AM
At least I got a nice ounce of sour diesel!   Cheesy


Dude, I was just thinking of you earlier!

I was remembering why I had coins on paxos and it was because I noticed binance coin had pumped (so i went on there and scrapped up what was left) and I thought oh yeah Globb0 was playing with that one, hope he still has a bag. Smiley

Haha, I'm old...I had to google what sour diesel was!
2866  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 11, 2021, 01:20:18 AM

Why not a adjustable limit based on a previous median timeframe?

It depends on what purpose you want the limit for. If it's to protect from unusually high loads as the original limit was for then something along the lines you suggest would work (and I've shown support for similar schemes). If, for some reason I can't fathom, you think 1 million bytes per block is a magically correct number for all time then it's not even open for consideration (and you might also not see a problem with foot-binding).

I have no numbers to present. I am just spitballing and am trying to figure out the root of why this hasn't been fixed as it seems to be a pretty academic problem.

I would think that having an agreed upon median would allow the algo to stabilize itself depending on market forces.

This is the first time I have known that this was the issue and appreciate Marcus boiling it down so nicely.

Oh and obviously a limit is just to stop bloat and spam attacks but a dynamic exponential cost seems to be a effective method of mitigation afa that goes.

*I don't know what "foot-binding" is.
2867  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 11, 2021, 01:16:16 AM
Thanks, getting the gist of it.

Since shitting on ETH seems OK, have a personal story to tell; I was contracted to evaluate Etherum security in 2016 (or it might have been 2017) because the customer wanted to build a service on top of it. After installing the official client which is a clusterfuck of different languages (Go, Python, Java, C#, etc), the client started downloading updates directly from GitHub during runtime (which means any hacked commit could potentially compromise the client instantly), so that was bad, but it didn't end there, the client crashed a lot so testing became hard, shortly after testing some more I advised the customer to not use Etherum to build anything because it's simply not stable enough. The customer was stubborn and had some kind of FOMO about his business partners building frameworks on top of ETH already, so it ended that I just refused to continue but he was welcome to hire someone else to do it. Shortly after this the first Etherum rollback happened due to malicious transactions (can't remember the details, but was not surprised), so it was obviously not "distributed" in a true sense then, emperor of rollbacks (Vitalik) had final word. After this I never touched it again, maybe it has improved security wise, probably not.

Shit, I missed this.

Thanks for sharing, not only is shitting on Eth allowed it is a prerequisite to hat adoption and is wholeheartedly encouraged. Cheesy
2868  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 11, 2021, 01:09:36 AM
I just don't see that.  Banks don't need small blocks to remain necessary.

FYI, small block force a side chain solution which is centralized and there in lies the problem.

I just don't understand why dynamic blocks are just not discussed, it smells of agenda.

... there is no discussion with dynamic blocks because think about for longer than 2 seconds, it goes like this:

"Hmmm, dynamic blocks what's that about?"
"Well the blocks can take any size up to a limit ...."
"Oh a dynamic block size with a limit, what size should we make that?" ... and there it ends, it's the same discussion.

Why not a adjustable limit based on a previous median timeframe?
2869  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 10, 2021, 11:02:47 PM

Do you have a decent link?

No. It was all through the threads on r/btc. Maxwell was the worst for disingenuous arguments and Luke was just insane, as ever but I think people like bluematt (it I remember correctly) gave it a fair shot.


Haha, no wonder I've never seen that conversation!

Fucking hate redditt.

I always enjoyed reading  bluematt 's insights.

Hah, good tweet he just dropped.

Quote
Being a Bitcoin Core developer is a thankless job. I once told another now-former developer that “Bitcoin will never succeed because of our work, but it may succeed in spite of our flaws”.

So much respect for those who have contributed longer than I and contribute today.
2870  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 10, 2021, 10:52:10 PM
I just have not found anything that gives a reasonable explanation and the Devs  certainly do not have a blind spot when it comes to this.

The devs are definitely aware of the arguments and, to their credit, some have actually joined in with the discussion (some in more good faith than others).

Do you have a decent link?
2871  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 10, 2021, 09:55:16 PM
Government Threatens Retired Engineer With a Crime for Doing Math


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nwP826RY50


Looks like some scumbag didn't like being called out for not knowing what he was doing and decided to use his influence to attack this guy. This is the result of nepotism, family first rite?
2872  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 10, 2021, 09:18:25 PM
Yes, it is scrypt, not bcrypt, wrong hashing method, my mistake.

I've been inactive long periods regarding Bitcoin when being busy with work, so sticking my ignorant neck out here hoping for some logical answers (not just rage). The Bitcoin maxi trend calling everything else "shitcoin"; was that shaped in a attempt to focus on one thing only in the hope it Bitcoin will perform better as a value of storage, or was it an side-effect of all the scams and ICOs that came after 2014/2015? Perhaps both? (Feels like missed some important parts...)


Well that of course is a reaction to the massive shilling of shitcoins and it morphed into any talk of any other project being a bag shilling exercise so was dogpiled without mercy.

AFA I remember it was considered alts were a good testing ground for fleshing out ideas that might be incorporated into the base layer but due to the sheer quantity of garbage scamming fucktards the instant knee jerk was to dogpile anyone even alluding to the fact something besides Kling Daddy had any value. and of course then the Ethtard started with the dominance shilling crap and it just polarized the entire scene with the ethtards being the nothing but NGU scam shilling dominated lowlives with zero consideration for the vision Bitcoin provides.

/rant off

Painfully aware of the blocksize debate which never improved anything so far, now it feels defunct even, since you don't need sidechains to deal with it.

Well since it is a m00t point now the knee jerk reactions to the subject seem to have calmed down to the no dogpiling point and we actually had some good discussions with the bear on the subject.

But we did have to restrict him to discuss it only on  Wednesdays (crazy I always spell Wednesdays wrong and have to google it as the spell checker can't get it right either!). Grin
2873  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🏈🏈 The American Football Discussion Thread 🏈🏈 on: June 10, 2021, 09:04:49 PM
So I suppose we are +3 +4 for a live draft, 0 against it and 5 4 undecided so far.

I'm ok with a live draft. Dibs on Tim Tebow.


ROTFL, that one got me! Cheesy
2874  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 10, 2021, 09:03:41 PM
I just don't see that.  Banks don't need small blocks to remain necessary.

FYI, small block force a side chain solution which is centralized and that in lies the problem.

I just don't understand why dynamic blocks are just not discussed, it smells of agenda.

Maybe it's not an agenda, but a blind spot?


I just have not found anything that gives a reasonable explanation and the Devs  certainly do not have a blind spot when it comes to this.

I'm probably just to stupid to actually find it.

I'm convinced. Really interesting, then.


LOL. Smiley
2875  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 10, 2021, 08:58:01 PM
this proves I sometimes wade through your massive posts JJG.[/size]

You are braver than most, including yours truly.

+1 WO for that one, to offset part of the -1.5 WO total tentatively pending re: toxicmoxic.

Meh, just too stupid to not know when to keep my mouth shut! Grin
2876  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 10, 2021, 08:54:18 PM
I just don't see that.  Banks don't need small blocks to remain necessary.

FYI, small block force a side chain solution which is centralized and that in lies the problem.

I just don't understand why dynamic blocks are just not discussed, it smells of agenda.

Maybe it's not an agenda, but a blind spot?


I just have not found anything that gives a reasonable explanation and the Devs  certainly do not have a blind spot when it comes to this.

I'm probably just to stupid to actually find it.
2877  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 10, 2021, 08:52:15 PM
Hello gentlemen. How have things been going?

A country accepts bitcoin as legal tender yet the price barely moves. I would have thought this would be a rocket launching event.

The problem is that the market is figuring out how bad of an investment bitcoin is and how it's is definitely and indefinitely crashing. So lots of countries might make it legal tender, but the down trend will remain. In fact, we know that as more countries adopt bitcoin the lower the price will go.

Ok, ok. Some of us know you from way back and we therefore remember that you're just dicking around. I mean, it used to be funny and all that, but the comedy has lost its edge in recent times. It's a little tired and repetitive now, just sayin. You might end up frightening the noobs away too, who might actually take you at your word.

We won't hold it against you if you want to change tack and allow your true colors to shine through, though.

Haha, any n00b that mindrusts because of lamma posts deserves to be left out in the cold.
2878  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 10, 2021, 08:44:12 PM


What is he really talking about? And what real problems? Problems with bitcoin or problems in the real world. If he mean problems in the real world I would agree. Now for the matter of fact if not all then surely every other project starts with a problem in bitcoin and tries to solve it with their on token or coin that's a logical fallacy.

To be honest haven't seen a single project which solely aiming to solve any real world problem. I remember in 2017/2018 there was one project WPR or WePower which claimed to be green energy based solution. To be honest I thought they will be building windmills or other green energy sources for public use not to run their own so called "trading platform". I'm not even sure where they stand today.

Anyway solving a real-world problem and claiming to solve it are two different things. Until now we haven't seen any single such claim going through yet.

In the example, Namecoin includes a domain name system for internet besides being a "coin", although the project is pretty much sleeping these days AFAIK. I also regard Litecoin as old school serving the purpose of having useful differences such as faster transactions, using bcrypt instead of SHA256, etc., but sure, Bitcoin maxis are welcome to disagree.

IIRC LTC was in responce to asic adoption as scrypt was thought to be asic resistant. but apparently they gave up on that fight and became another shit coin (still good to move funds between exchanges though: only real world usecase I know of). But there are still those that fight for decentralization, its just a harder battle than NGU peops are willing to fight.

Namecoin got a death blow when there was a bug that allowed total takeover of the domain by a simple hack. I think it was fixed but I really didn't follow what has become since then. I think their uphill battle would have been to have ICANN acceptance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ckMG9mAd7s
2879  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 10, 2021, 08:24:09 PM
And Satoshi had not anticipated ASICS (who knows if that later Satoshi email is real where "he" talks about exactly that) and that changed EVERYTHING.  It made the idea of the "validation node" important.  Vitally important.  We discovered by this tech that between hashing, and consensus validation the latter *might* be more important, though they go deeply hand in hand.

Maybe you should provide a link, cAPSLOCK, if you believe that either there is something important and relevant that satoshi supposedly said.. From what I recall, Satoshi disappeared around late 2010, but a lot of the BIG blocker disingenuine nonsense started to get worked up in late 2015 so it increasingly ramped up in the next couple of years without really going away completely even though it should have been clear that not ONLY was the issue resolved in such a way to show the BIG BLOCKERs as largely disingenuine retards, but also current BTC development is ongoingly finding balance in onchain and offchain transactions including having goals of having some of the fee market to develop around this matter to help to inform if there might be needs for tweaks that go above and beyond ongoing tweaks that are happening.

Actually I believe it has been proven that Satoshi mined on custom fpga's.

sorry no link

this proves I sometimes wade through your massive posts JJG.
2880  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 10, 2021, 08:20:56 PM
I just don't see that.  Banks don't need small blocks to remain necessary.

FYI, small block force a side chain solution which is centralized and there in lies the problem.

I just don't understand why dynamic blocks are just not discussed, it smells of agenda.
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