How do you know the OP is not just a scammer who stole the login/password and now is pulling on everyone's heart strings for handouts? Or simply bought the account to scam people with? If he had used Armory with an OFFLINE computer then he wouldn't have lost his BTC. My BTC stays with me regardless of how many sob stories I see posted here. These posts are so suspect-able.....
Because his reputation precedes yours. So does Bobsag3's and KnC's. I don't see your point Stop living a paranoid life, not everyone is a scammer you know. When someone claims tha their BTC have been stolen because of teamviewer and then say they had trojans it makes you wonder. don't you think? I have yet to get an answer of which trojans. That being said, this is a rough community where everybody grabs the opportunity to fuck someone over - proven many times before. SO, my question to you is: Do you send your money blindfully to a stranger that does not provide valid evidence of theft? Rep means jack shit. We have seen how many reputable people screwed the community before. |
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Seems like all the fudsters should hire some coders and get to work on their perfect coin. They can call it FUD coin.
Lot's of those already - they all claim the have the answer. |
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How do you know the OP is not just a scammer who stole the login/password and now is pulling on everyone's heart strings for handouts? Or simply bought the account to scam people with? If he had used Armory with an OFFLINE computer then he wouldn't have lost his BTC. My BTC stays with me regardless of how many sob stories I see posted here. These posts are so suspect-able.....
Because his reputation precedes yours. So does Bobsag3's and KnC's. I don't see your point |
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How do you know the OP is not just a scammer who stole the login/password and now is pulling on everyone's heart strings for handouts? Or simply bought the account to scam people with? If he had used Armory with an OFFLINE computer then he wouldn't have lost his BTC. My BTC stays with me regardless of how many sob stories I see posted here. These posts are so suspect-able.....
You don't and to me personally the story doesn't make sense. However, it could be real so I will not make any comments on the subject yet. |
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If it was team viewer, obviously you been racking your brain thinking, but you given access to anyone lately ?
Nope, even the mrs struggles to remember my access passwords  Andy, did you check if there is any background programs or services running yet? I would like to know because it might give clues as to tracking the thief There was a couple of Trojans. Also found them on my my pc. I may have tracked them to my laptop when I was downloading and installing files on both computers. So I am guessing your laptop wasn't as "secure" as you thought it was. I would recommend using paper wallets next time. And DO make sure that you generate your paper wallet address from a really secure system. What I see as secure system is: Format your PC and make sure it has NO connection to the internet, Generate the paper wallet address and write down your private key, Re-format the PC you have created your paper wallet from. I think you should be safe there. EDIT: Do keep in mind that even after formatting data can be retrieved. |
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If it was team viewer, obviously you been racking your brain thinking, but you given access to anyone lately ?
Nope, even the mrs struggles to remember my access passwords Andy, did you check if there is any background programs or services running yet? I would like to know because it might give clues as to tracking the thief |
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Was this 14 BTC of your own money or 14 BTC of other people's money?
Does it matter? The BTC is gone.... |
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You laptop may even have virus that could have caused the issue
It was my PC that was infected. My encoded Bitcoin wallets all had different passwords. I think they may have had a keylogger. Shit. I'd only sent the bitcoins from my cold wallet a couple of days earlier. This was just bad timing I will repeat myself - use task manager to see what's running in the background  |
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Yeah it was what I thought was a secure computer.
I just figured out what happened.
On my pc, my team viewer was compromised. I hadn't changed the password after the heart bleed bug happened. Or someone may have gotten the password when the forums got hacked.
The log says someone logged in and downloaded every file or folder that says Bitcoin in it.
Then transferred a file that I've identified as a Trojan. I think I may have tracked it on to the secure pc.
Fucking fuck fuck dammit
Secure computer with Teamviewer on it?  Setup a donation fund IMO.  He seems like a caring member of the community and has setup the Bitcoinmuseum showing he was in it for the long haul and his fiance has a shop that accepts BTC. I really hope he gets a decent ammount donated to him and it shows how much the community is willing to help one of their own. I would say do a crowfunding campaign. You got the goods (BTC memorabilia) and you are running out of time. Setup a crowdfunding campaign and offer BTC memorabilia to those who participate. Just a thought. It would be a shame to lose pieces that would one day be in a physical museum, maybe promise to put a plaque of the users names saying "This piece was saved by : User A, User B" especially on hard to find items. True, thanks for correcting me |
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Yeah it was what I thought was a secure computer.
I just figured out what happened.
On my pc, my team viewer was compromised. I hadn't changed the password after the heart bleed bug happened. Or someone may have gotten the password when the forums got hacked.
The log says someone logged in and downloaded every file or folder that says Bitcoin in it.
Then transferred a file that I've identified as a Trojan. I think I may have tracked it on to the secure pc.
Fucking fuck fuck dammit
Secure computer with Teamviewer on it? Setup a donation fund IMO. He seems like a caring member of the community and has setup the Bitcoinmuseum showing he was in it for the long haul and his fiance has a shop that accepts BTC. I really hope he gets a decent ammount donated to him and it shows how much the community is willing to help one of their own. I would say do a crowfunding campaign. You got the goods (BTC memorabilia) and you are running out of time. Setup a crowdfunding campaign and offer BTC memorabilia to those who participate. Just a thought. |
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And cure all diseases in the world, and stop all wars and..yeah...easyer said than done.
No, he can start and end with my request. He's already solved some hard stuff this is probably not impossible. I never asked for anything else if you read what I wrote. Not going to happen. If it could have been done then he would have done it in the first place. All we can do is throw in ideas but the fact remains that unless there's a major protocol change, that problem will always be there. And even if there is a protocol change it's not Bitcoin anymore, it's an alt. I too have tried to find a possible solution but for every possible solution there are more possible attack methods. What you are asking for is a new - full proof - cryptocurrency. Such does not exist yet. |
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did you install doge-miner or some shit like that? most people who think they have a secure pc also have alot of very shitty stuff on that pc and dont understand that.
to be secure you should install nothing but a firewall, antivirus and bitcoinQT. also i would recommend to have the wallet encrypted and offline.
^^^ This. Also, store your wallet on an encrypted drive and ALWAYS make sure that there are no other services or programs running in the background. You have mentioned PC so you can easily check that through the task manager EDIT: That being said, do it now. Use the task manager to check what services and programs are running. |
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That just doesn't make sense! You're using an OFFLINE computer with Armory and your Bitcoins were stolen?
Could you elaborate on that? What security measures do you use? Who have an access to your offline computer?
He didn't say it's offline, he said it was "secure". Also, out of topic: Noella, update your website girl: Current Bitcoin Price $133.35 <------ I would love to buy a couple of hundreds of them at that price  |
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OK, you wanna play then let's play....
Clearly you two are not on the same page, name calling doesn't help anyone. He is asking (among other things) if you think it is a problem because you haven't been clear on that. For example... Danny I have much respect for you man, and I do believe you have a lot of knowledge but I don't think you got my point.
I (as in me personally) am not worried about a 51% attack right now.
I am worried about what this is doing to BTC (mostly caused by media FUD).
The FUD that has been going around is damaging BTC rep and it's slowing down adoption as people tend to see the bad side of things instead of the benefits.
So you are not worried about a 51% attack, but are worried about media FUD about a 51% attack. What is the bigger problem, the risk of a 51% attack or the FUD about a 51% attack? If the FUD is the problem, could education be the answer? I don't think it's fair to claim nothing has been done to eliminate the risk of a 51% attack. As far as I know, there is no known way to solve this problem without a central authority, all pow/pos coins are affected. Does this mean the problem is being ignored? I wouldn't think so, I am sure there is at least one person out there working on a different method for consensus. Minor edits for clarityYou are absolutely right. So there's no point of arguing. Maybe I don't understand what Danny is saying or maybe he doesn't understand what I am saying. So no point for this to go on. Danny I apologize man. Maybe I don't understand what you are saying. I have edited my posts. |
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BTW does anybody else have an idea on how we can get rid of the problem?
If you got an idea just let us know and we can build upon it.
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OK, so I am back and we could go on forever quoting each other trying to prove our point. But I am not going to do that because it's pointless. But I do have one question for you Danny: How does a computer programmer that always takes the time to think about possible attacks and try to prevent them, accept the fact that the current protocol is flawed and can lead to a serious, actually completely destructing attack? Doesn't really go hand to hand with what you are arguing about with me does it? One more question: Did you ever produce anything at all? Because I can guarantee to you that there will always be someone better than you ready to "attack" your software and be very successful at it. PS: It's PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) not GPG. Can I ask what your profession is?
Computer programmer, and computer systems designer (sometimes referred to as "Systems Architect"). With my current employer, I actually handle many additional roles including Business Analyst, Technical Adviser, New Employee Trainer, New Hire Interviewer, Customer Support, and Technical Support. Danny thanks for your input and advice man.
You seem to have knowledge on the subject yet I don't see you making any suggestions - which is a shame.
I'd make suggestions if I had any that would work. When I come up with an idea, I think it through. I don't think about how I expect it to work, that's the easy part. I take the time to think through all the possible attacks I can come up with, and whether or not they can be prevented.I've been studying the bitcoin system for 29 months. People keep presenting the exact same ideas with the exact same flaws over and over. Here's an important thing to keep in mind while you're trying to think of a "solution": You aren't looking for a solution that will fix the proof-of-work blockchain. You are looking for a solution that will fix distributed consensus. The proof-of-work blockchain is currently the best way anyone has ever come up with to handle distributed consensus. Anything you can come up with that can reliably prevent a miner from gaining more than 50% of the hash power will require one of two things. Either a trusted authority that can determine and control how much hash power each entity contributes, or a method of distributed consensus that allows the entire network to agree on how much hash power each entity contributes. If you discover a solution to distributed consensus, then you no longer need to use it to prevent a miner from gaining more than 50% of the hash power. Instead, a new (and MUCH better) cryptocurrency can be created (or bitcoin can switch to a new protocol) that implements your newly discovered method of distributed consensus INSTEAD of a proof-of-work blockchain. |
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You DID bring Ghash to 40PH+ Let's assume the following: Ghash has 40PH Ghash owns 50% = 20PH Miners on Ghash own the other 50% If each miner had 720GH, that would be about 27,000 miners to equal 20PH The world pop is ~ 6.6B If 0.01% use bitcoin, that is 660,000 users Say a little less than half of us mine bitcoin = 300,000 Now, let's assume that 1/3 of the network hash is pool owned. ~96PH total That is ~63PH owned by "private" miners, of which there are 300,000 That is only an average of 212GH per miner You are 3.5x above that average So yes you and the other miners at Ghash ARE causing the problem. No one can tell you to point your miner(s) at a certain pool, that is the freedom of the network. Yet that freedom also brings responsibility. You are to act responsibly to protect the network. Asking for a hard fork is taking away that freedom and centralizing it. That is the opposite of what bitcoin is about. You want a tool? Here, use this https://blockchain.info/pools?timespan. It will tell you which pools are "too big". Move to a smaller pool and all is fine. Each one of us holds the future of bitcoin in their hands. We can build, we can just toss it to the side, or we can destroy. It really is up to you. You guys are so fucking selfcentric that you don't get the point. ITS NOT THE POOLS FAULT NOR MINE. THE PROTOCOL AS IT IS IS FLAWED. It's as simple as that. You cannot expect every single fucking miner to point their equipment elsewhere EVERY FUCKING TIME theres a 51% concentration instead of just getting rid of the problem. You know why? BECAUSE YOUR TRUSTLESS SYSTEM DEPENDS ON TRUST, between miners and pools. Nice decentralization and trustless system we have there...... The problem is in the protocol yes, but that's not the point. You, as in the miners, aren't doing the necessary to scale down this problem. Instead you're sticking to ghash.io and that's why we ended up here. If miners actually did care about BTC no pool would get close to 30% not to mention 50%. Are you even listening to your self? BTC was built upon greed. You are an idiot by making comments like that. PS: Yes, GREED.... SATOSHI mined more than 1 million BTC, he ONLY transacted ONCE and that was to Hal Finney. He kept the rest to himself...... |
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This is what I am trying to say.
People are attacking me because I have 720GH at GHash - where I have 1.5TH on another pool, but apparently that doesn't matter to them because I am a bad guy.
I didn't bring GHash to 40PH+ with my 720GH.
That being said, the core-dev team cannot expect every miner to keep an eye on the hash rates when they can jsut sort it out once and for all.
People are greedy.
It has been proven even after GHash had 51%. - EDIT: YES, me included - I didn't do anything because I wasn't worried
They did not move their miners.
The hash rate dropped ONLY after the DDOS attack.
So, do you want a trustless system or not?
Should we trust pools?
Should we trust individual miners to point their equipment elsewhere?
OR
Should we put an end to this now and help make BTC mainstream?
What would you choose?
You DID bring Ghash to 40PH+ Let's assume the following: Ghash has 40PH Ghash owns 50% = 20PH Miners on Ghash own the other 50% If each miner had 720GH, that would be about 27,000 miners to equal 20PH The world pop is ~ 6.6B If 0.01% use bitcoin, that is 660,000 users Say a little less than half of us mine bitcoin = 300,000 Now, let's assume that 1/3 of the network hash is pool owned. ~96PH total That is ~63PH owned by "private" miners, of which there are 300,000 That is only an average of 212GH per miner You are 3.5x above that average So yes you and the other miners at Ghash ARE causing the problem. No one can tell you to point your miner(s) at a certain pool, that is the freedom of the network. Yet that freedom also brings responsibility. You are to act responsibly to protect the network. Asking for a hard fork is taking away that freedom and centralizing it. That is the opposite of what bitcoin is about. You want a tool? Here, use this https://blockchain.info/pools?timespan. It will tell you which pools are "too big". Move to a smaller pool and all is fine. Each one of us holds the future of bitcoin in their hands. We can build, we can just toss it to the side, or we can destroy. It really is up to you. You guys are so fucking selfcentric that you don't get the point. ITS NOT THE POOLS FAULT NOR MINE. THE PROTOCOL AS IT IS IS FLAWED. It's as simple as that. You cannot expect every single fucking miner to point their equipment elsewhere EVERY FUCKING TIME theres a 51% concentration instead of just getting rid of the problem. You know why? BECAUSE YOUR TRUSTLESS SYSTEM DEPENDS ON TRUST, between miners and pools. Nice decentralization and trustless system we have there...... |
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How is bitcoin a trustless currency when you need to trust mining pools not to attack the system? Look at this article: http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/06/16/how-a-mining-monopoly-can-attack-bitcoin/Bitcoin could be a trustless currency if there were measured implemented to prevent centralisation of mining power. We know the current situation is not how Satoshi intended it to be. I think if he didn't go away he would have come up with a solution a long time ago. Any suggestions how to go about it? I had some but I was told that they wouldn't work for such and such reason. We need a working solution that doesn't require making major changes to the way the protocol works. And from what I gather, that is not possible. Yeah, honestly I have no idea. But I would hope to see at least some community effort towards solving the problem. Even just continuing to acknowledge that it's a huge issue is something. I don't want people to think everything is ok just because Ghash is only reporting their total hashing at 40%. Yeah, well I tried to throw a few idea (I admit maybe they were premature) and I got hammered. So, I don't think a solution is going to pop up, and if someone had a solution to this then they would create their own coin which is more secure. That is the impression I have after the last 2 days of trying to help the situation. |
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Few months ago Satoshi posted that he is not Dorian Nakamoto
No, Satoshi himself didn't. If ANY kind of statements regarding Satoshi are not signed by him, it's not him..... |
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