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2881  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Address Reuse - Does No One Care? on: November 04, 2017, 11:24:41 PM
I see. Everything that I had read made it seem like address reuse could lead to privacy and security issues. Both of those replies offered good insight. I understand a little better now, thanks.

Mike

Address reuse could lead to security issues in the future, if quantum computing ever gets viable. Before you make your first transaction from an address, the public key is unknown, due to the address being only a hash of the public key. The public key becomes exposed by necessity the first time an outgoing transaction is made. Using this public key, a quantum computer could in theory derive the private key of the corresponding address.

However, at this point in time, this is all just theoretical.



Why is it such a downside for you using the same address? I actually read an article somewhere saying that in the future we might actually run out of bitcoin addresses, since anyone can create multiple address, and then it will stay on the network forever, and if the person that created it doesn't use it, then no one will use it, and that address will be lost forever. Most wallets already create multiple addresses, and then manage them for you, at least when you are making payments, so why isn't that enough for you?

The key space of Bitcoin is in the orders of magnitude that make it practically impossible for duplicate keys to occur. There's even projects like the large Bitcoin collider that has already been going through trillions of private keys without finding anything (expect for purposefully placed bounties).

So for every Bitcoin address you don't use... thousands are generated and discarded every second.

And don't worry about taking up room in Bitcoin's key space. Private keys are generated at random, any address you have could be used by someone else in the future, just by chance of that person generating the same private key as you. However as I mentioned before, the chances of this happening, is practically impossible.
2882  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Starting up as a beginner on: November 04, 2017, 10:58:57 PM
GBP 500,- unfortunately won't get you even close to a viable ASIC miner for Bitcoin. Sometimes older hardware is peddled on eBay that could fit into this budget, but those devices are already so obsolete that you can only use them as a doorstop.

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With this fund initially buy 6 graphics cards and make a one rig and mine any altcoins with in some month you will be able to take amount invested. So go with that. There are mining calculators available in online, you will be able to get profit value you can make per day, week and month.

...where the hell can I get 6 graphic cards, that are viable for mining alts, for GBP 500,-? O.o

That's maybe 2-3 GPUs. And not accounting for mainboard, PSU, etc...


While true that alt coin mining is the only close to viable option with this budget, it's still unlikely to make you much of a profit. Unfortunately economoics of scale is key nowadays. Besides cheap electricity, of course.


If you want to take up mining alts as a hobby however, I'd recommend starting in the alt coin mining boards:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=160.0

There you should find information on what you need to get a GPU mining rig going.
2883  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Funds sent without my knowledge on: November 04, 2017, 01:02:42 PM
Hi, Can someone please tell me if I am reading the attached file correctly. It is a screenshot of the blockchain explorer at bitaps.com

From what I can see my understanding is that on the blockchain my Balance is 0.10993723 BTC. However on Cryptopay my balance is 0.0929 BTC.

On the blockchain there is a transaction of 0.0170000 BTC which I assume was sent to my Cryptopay wallet. That balance however is the one that is not reflected in my Cryptopay wallet.

Can I assume that the 0.017000 was sent to Cryptopay but it is not reflecting in Cryptopay yet? I'm assuming this because all the transactions on the blockchain are related to my Cryptopay wallet. My Cryptopay wallet address is 3EL14BoZCDXBmV65uCGAawXAZZxvnvZwN7

https://i.imgur.com/774j7OT.jpg

Your assumption seems correct.

The final balance of 3EL14BoZCDXBmV65uCGAawXAZZxvnvZwN7 is 0.10993723 BTC.

The Cryptopay balance of 0.0929 BTC fits the transaction of November 2nd.

The two transactions of 0.0038 BTC in and out, sent on August 23rd and September 8th respectively, cancel each other out.

Which leaves 0.017 BTC sent on October 27nd unaccounted for.


Got any response from Cryptopay so far?
2884  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why bitcoin will crash on: November 04, 2017, 12:13:01 PM
In an other topic I ask what would be the best strategy to profit from the bitcoin crash. A bitcoin crash, but it's at a all time high stupid?! So let me explain why I believe there is a number of reasons what will cause this crash. Also feel free to counter.

Bitcoin vs Fiat money
One of the things people keep telling each other is that bitcoin is so much better than Fiat money. Yet a huge amount of people base the value of bitcoin only of the value compared to Fiat money. This forum is full of messages of people cheering when bitcoin has reached a new all time high, in Fiat money numbers. Also people dream of getting rich and millionaire, again in Fiat money. This brings me to the next point, speculation.

People are in it to increase their purchasing power. The main reason why the BTC price is most commonly referred to in fiat value, is because it's the only meaningful frame of reference we have right now. What other frames of reference are there? Gold? Lamborghinis? Pizzas? One of the main purposes of fiat is to compare the value of assets of different classifications to one another. BTC is no different in this regard. It's about the purchasing power of BTC, not its fiat value. And as of now, its purchasing power can only be meaningfully expressed in fiat.


Speculation
I believe that 99% of people that are joining the bitcoin train now, hope that the Fiat money they invest now will be more worth more in the future. The look at the chart and see it go's up and up. There are just a fixed number of bitcoin, so they will be increase in worth right? No, the current value expressed in Fiat money is because it's a classic bubble. While people keep buying the price will rise, until they start to panic. Lot's of noobs are buying bitcoin right now and guess who are driven by emotion when it go's down? The noobs again, they will panic first.

I'm not 100% sure we're in a classic bubble yet. Noobs will panic the most, for sure, but I think most bitcoins are still in the hands of the old guard, which should bolster the next correction a bit.


Bitcoin is the most destructive force on the planet
Wait whut? Yes I am very sure about this one. Never in history there has be anything that just wasted such an amount of energy and hardware. Just think of the millions of graphic cards that were not used to play a video game or design a 3d building for an architect, no just burned for bitcoin. So much electric energy that is just vaporized in heat that was just waste. And the current network use a ton of energy for just one transaction. We are all about environment and climate, but yet we don't seem to realize this enormous waste.

Banking is the most destructive force on the planet. Never in history there has been anything that just wasted such an amount of human resources. Just think of the millions of bankers that were not educated to become doctors or engineers, no, just wasted on finance.

In my opinion replacing the human resources that are currently stuck in banking with electricity would be a positive tradeoff.


Unstable value
As long as the value is not even near stable it's not a alternative to Fiat money. Why would you buy anything with it as you believe it could be worth double the money next month? Same for the opposite.

Arguably Bitcoin will become more stable once it reaches a sufficient market cap. Retail prices also fluctuate to some extend, yet there's only few cases where people try to time the market, especially with products that satisfy immediate needs.


Alt coins
Are just crap and we know it. While we 'use' bitcoin at least for some stuff, the altcoins are just a way to make money in the shade of bitcoin. There is no value at all in altcoins, but since the noobs want something and can't affort bitcoin (because they can only think in whole bitcoins) the start buying altcoins. And more noobs does, so the price is going up, hooray!

Agreed. Well, some alts arguably offer innovation, but in general I agree with you.


The scam of Trading platforms
I've been following trades on for example Bitfinex, there are people who know how to influence the price for sure. Some big players (you call them whales) who laught at all the noobs while they are just pumping the price to a new high. It's far from transparent.

Agreed. Same goes for the rest of finance though, regardless of regulation. Bitcoin itself, however, is incredibly transparent.


Bad money
They have discovered bitcoin. When bad money comes in, good money runs away. It's an old fact that will apply to bitcoin.

Define bad money? Noobs or bankers?


The actual value
Think about this. Does a single bitcoin is really worth a car? Who is really using it? But so is paper money right? No it's not, we are all using Fiat money. Bitcoin is used by 0.0000000000001% of the people. It's current worth in Fiat money numbers is only a reflection of the greed of humans.

0.0000000000001% of the people would be less than 1/10,000th of a person. I'm fairly confident to say that there are more people using BTC than 1/10,000th of a person. The question of a fair valuation is a tough one though, that's true. Which is why we are seeing the price fluctuations we see right now. It's all part of the price finding process.


But it's kinda sad because the blockchain is an amazing technology. So is the IP protocol btw, but no one has come up to put a price tag an that technology. Thank God, there would be no internet today.

Crypto-currencies can be used freely regardless of their valuation. Without tokens, a blockchain is just a decentralized database. There's better solutions for that.
2885  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Customs tax and Bitcoin on: November 04, 2017, 11:15:31 AM
I don't understand. If you change to €, did you effectively paid some 20% tax of the value of what you imported?

I don't see the 2.99 relation between € and BTC. I guess that if I were you I would go back to the customs office and ask for more information. To the best of my knowledge, no European country has any regulation regarding BTC. So, could they have mistaken BTC for another currency?

I'm with everyone else.. how did they get that number?? Although the gesture is very interesting

Yeah, Im totally at a loss to what happened here LOL. Im thinking some manager made a snap call on this on; what the hell did that arbitrary figure have to do with anything, and under what legal structure are they taxing you uunder, bitcoin is not a product, its data. Dont know if they can tax SaaS.


I would go back there and see what was going on, maybe ask someone to explain your charges. you may not want to stir the pot with this, its probably not worth the return trip. but I feel as though you could probably get your money back if you asked the right person.

This thread is from December 2011, BTC hovered around EUR 3.00,- at that time so it's not an arbitrary figure. The tax was on the imported item, not on BTC.

Still interesting to see government entities treating BTC payments in a sane way as far back as 2011, at least in individual cases. I think the only incorrect call was that the officers apparently chose the BTC price on delivery of the item, not at the time of the sale. Still, not bad for 2011.
2886  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Bearish] The Dangerous Reason Why Bitcoin Just Hit Yet Another New High on: November 03, 2017, 04:15:35 PM
I love how people are getting worried about how Wall Street could tarnish Bitcoin's reputation. And rightfully so, unfortunately. Oh how times have changed.

It looks like the Bitcoin experiment is entering the next phase, let's see how it prevails.

My positive thinking side thinks it's great that there are finally financial derivatives to hedge crypto risks. My realistic thinking side is moaning at the thought of investment bankers having found yet another gambling playground to lose other people's money in while claiming to be experts in their field.
2887  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin to euro (~500 000e) where will I pay no tax/ as low tax as possible? on: November 03, 2017, 10:05:36 AM
@HeRetik:

Thank you very much the helpful information.
As an EU citizen I can relatively easily relocate to either Austria or Germany.
It's not a problem if it saves me 150K euros in taxes.

Can you PM me or write here the contact details of said accountants and tax advisors?

Thanks again!


You're welcome. For privacy reasons I won't be sharing my personal tax advisor, but I can refer you to Mag.(FH) Natalie Enzinger:

http://www.enzinger-stb.at/steuerberatung/index.php/en/

I don't know her personally, but she's the one that did the tax situation analysis for Bitcoin Austria and appears to have a focus on crypto-currencies.

Good luck out there! Feel free to PM me if you need further information sources that are hard to find for non-German speakers.
2888  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin to euro (~500 000e) where will I pay no tax/ as low tax as possible? on: November 03, 2017, 09:21:05 AM
Wow, sounds you have a lot of privileges living in a wonderful country, where taxation is waived when you sell Bitcoins Smiley

Don't worry, there's enough taxation on pretty much everything else Tongue

Also if you do day trading, sell Bitcoin before the minimum holding time, earn it via mining or selling goods and services, regular taxation still apply. This tax exemption after a minimum holding time used to apply to securities as well. There's no exemption for securities anymore, however bitcoins are no securities, so here we are.


For future reference, here is a more current, official statement on cryptocurrency taxation in Austria:

https://www.bmf.gv.at/steuern/kryptowaehrung_Besteuerung.html

German only, unfortunately, but I can tell you that as of July 25th 2017 the tax exemption on private sales after a minimum holding hodling time of one year still applies.

2889  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I lost my wallet.dat file in FORCE-qt on: November 03, 2017, 12:53:27 AM
https://www.lifewire.com/free-data-recovery-software-tools-2622893

I personally had a good experience with Recuva, however I luckily didn't have to give any of the other tools on this list a try, so your mileage may vary. I remember another Bitcointalk user having success with easeUS though.
2890  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin to euro (~500 000e) where will I pay no tax/ as low tax as possible? on: November 03, 2017, 12:42:08 AM
Germany and Austria both don't tax Bitcoin sales after a provable holding time of at least one year. I don't know anything about Denmark.


Of Germany I know due to following the German local boards.

Of Austria I know due to living in Austria, having talked to my tax advisor and having done research on the subject matter using trusted sources -- ie. detailed analysis from tax advisors hired by the Austrian Bitcoin community and government statements.


To the best of my knowledge, tax policies regarding Bitcoin and income tax have changed neither in Germany nor in Austria since 2014.

If you sell Bitcoin as a private individual and not a company, there's no sales tax in Austria. I don't know the situation in Germany in this regard, but it seems to be similar.

I guess as neither German nor Austrian resident nor citizen, the challenge is finding a way to get "taxed" in either country, without falling into any regulatory edge cases where you need to pay tax after all.


Caveat: While I feel fairly confident about my knowledge of Bitcoin taxation in Austria (and to some extend Germany) I have no personal experience of converting amounts of 100k and above. I hope I could give some helpful inputs either way. Be aware that certain regulations may apply to SEPA bank transfers of ~10k and above, requiring you to notify authorities and possibly your bank(s) of said transactions. In Germany there's the "AWV Meldepflicht" for transactions of 12.5k and above, I'm sure there are similar regulations for other EU countries.
2891  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Did Trezor just release a next version of their wallet? on: November 02, 2017, 11:57:24 PM
Anyone preordering? The price seems very steep to me.

https://preorder.trezor.io

Steep? Trezor preorders used to cost 1 BTC Tongue

In all seriousness though, as someone who's happy with his current Trezor and as someone who sees hardware wallets mostly as an utility it's more than I'd be willing to pay right now. Nonetheless, given the major overhaul the Trezor received and its proven track record in earlier versions, it does look like a fair price to me. And I must admit that I am tempted after all.
2892  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Funds sent without my knowledge on: November 02, 2017, 11:38:25 PM
Have you installed any alt coin wallets or otherwise, possibly questionable software lately? Problem being that malware that isn't "off-the-shelf" often avoids detection by most antivirus software. To be honest I'd consider wiping my hard drive and re-installing my operating system at that point.

Unless someone else you know had direct access to your device I'm afraid those coins are gone for good.
2893  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: 100 Cryptocurrency History Book on: November 02, 2017, 10:59:45 PM
Great idea! Will you have it published and printed as well or do you plan on releasing it as an eBook / PDF only? Most alts are not really worth writing about, but a compendium of alts, even those that fell on hard times lately, sounds definitely interesting. Especially since even if you keep a keen eye on the alt market and its development, it's nearly impossible to keep track of them. And at least to me it seems that a lot of once -- or currently -- respected alts will fall victim to time and shifting community interests sooner or later.

One thing I'm wondering is why you didn't add Ripple? I'm aware that its classification as a crypto-currency is heavily disputed, but nonetheless it's one of the earliest projects in this space and deserves a place in history, despite all its flaws.
2894  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Coinnnnn.com - Feedback please on: November 02, 2017, 10:08:22 PM
I'm kinda bothered by how in the big chart widget the chart line covers up the price. While it's refreshing to see something more playful, that part of the layout doesn't look pleasing to me. I'd probably try switching price information and chart line, ie. having the chart line in the background, with the price information hovering on top. But that might be a matter of personal taste.

What I really like is the ticker widget. Having the hourly / daily / weekly price change on one page gives a way better picture than what you usually see. The reddit ticker is also an interesting metric.

All in all good work so far! Looking forward to see how you further develop this project!

And yeah... I'd also recommend reconsidering the name. It's kinda hard to remember when you can barely distinguish how many "n"s there are. Would be a shame if this site missed out on traffic due to its domain name.
2895  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How likely will there be a chain-split for X2? on: November 02, 2017, 04:04:05 PM
The chain split is going to happen most likely since the Segwit2x support want an increase in the block size. Their goal cannot be accomplished without forking the coin.

[...]

In my book hardforking Bitcoin is a valid way of "letting the best coin win". Camouflaging SegWit2x nodes to prevent SegWit1x nodes from disconnecting and refusing to implement a 2-way replay protection however, is not. That's just a reckless way of forcing a coup.

Their goal of increasing block size can not be accomplished without a hardfork, that's true. It could be, however, accomplished without the questionable design choices mentioned above.
2896  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Crypto for EU on: November 02, 2017, 03:32:52 PM
There are a lot of countries in EU with a different legal system and different attitude. For instance i never heard about Polish, Romanian, Czech, Slovakin people who are active users  of cryptocurrency, maybe it is not spread on  territories of those countries Huh.But of course a great number of cryptocurrency wallets are in the Nothern EU countries. I've heard about rising  interest in Ukraine and a huge number of people who are interested and save cryptocurrency are in Russia

The Czech Republic is the birth place of mining pools and home of SatoshiLabs, creator of the Trezor -- the first hardware wallet. So I think there are at least some people who are active users of cryptocurrency in the Czech Republic Wink
2897  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Myths on: November 01, 2017, 04:15:26 PM
Holy shit that article is a straw man slaughterhouse. At least when applied to Bitcoin.
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[...]

If bitcoin could be made to work as fast as Visa, then I think it would not be the same "bitcoin" that  
has been marketed to us... ".. the best thing brought to us ...since the Ten Commandments...".  
The "proof_of_ work" technology which everyone is now is hyping about now will ensure that bitcoin will
never be daily money for payments.

PoW is not what's restricting transaction throughput. Blocktime, blocksize, etc is. Neither which will prevent us from running a more scalable transaction solution on top of Bitcoin, while using PoW to secure settlements.

Just give me a simple tweak to the bitcoin protocol that will enable transactions to 100,000 per sec. and retailer can have their payments confirmed immediately.

Without immediate confirmation, bitcoin can never be medium of exchange.   

Lightning network is the solution you seek for.
I do believe there should be solutions.I have not examined Lightning network; if it truely can make immediate  transactions and is as good as bitcoin, then "that's it". But those who have examined it should know if it is not a scam.

Oh boy do I have some reading material for you! Grin

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/understanding-the-lightning-network-part-building-a-bidirectional-payment-channel-1464710791/

This 3-part introduction explains lightning network fairly well. Read it, let it sink in a bit and come to your own conclusions.
2898  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How likely will there be a chain-split for X2? on: November 01, 2017, 04:06:13 PM
The community will decide by either holding SegWit or SegWit2x. Simple as that. Without Core denying SegWit2x this choice wouldn't even exist.

seems people need to research the properties of bitcoins mechanism called consensus

core are AVOIDING consensus by throwing a possible upgrade into the realms of an altcoin.
if core actually allowed the consensus mechanism to run its course, there would be a choice.. either the network upgrades to a more utility allowing network or stays as it is.

but instead core have just thrown out the dummy and decided against a network upgrade and instead just scammed the community with fake hope by bribing them to think that getting "free coins" is better then a better network

Consensus based on node count is prone to sybil attacks and miners should not be able to unanimously change protocol rules. Public discourse failed to reach an agreement on what makes a better network. So the way I see it all that's left is to put each fork to the test and let the free market decide.

Please let me know what I'm missing here. I would truly love to understand your side of the argument.



You mean between Bitcoin and corpcoin FIFY  Wink

bitcoin is the corp coin.. the x2 is part of the same cartel. giving the illusion of choice and the dramatic distractions of free coins and 2 years of debates, while ultimately still not allowing a proper network upgrade.

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Attacking either side of the fork based on the people behind it instead of their individual merits and weak points is not going to lead anywhere.


(if your going to ignore the puppet strings of dcg, dont even bother replying)

*you're  Kiss


[...]

and yes the bitcoin network has wasted 2 years and still not got the 2mb base blocksize that was promised

[...]

What are you referring to? SegWit more than doubled Bitcoin's transaction capacity, the equivalent of a 2mb blocksize increase.

Apart from that what's stopping you from simply using Bitcoin Cash instead? It's fairly well supported and if you already owned Bitcoin before the fork you didn't even need to put money into an alt to make the switch.
2899  Economy / Speculation / Re: Amazon, MicroSoft ,Apple, etc on: November 01, 2017, 11:27:06 AM
Another way of looking a things

Amazon sells us depreciating crapplastic

Microsoft sell every one a word processor and and os to connect it to a printer and run the printer

Apple sells us something nice to listen to out music on and hold to look at the internet on.

Satoshi gives us an entire financial system, government in code, records repository, financial sovereignty, powers of the state.

Take a step back and consider the orders of magnitude of the value proposition as against what most are familiar with.

It's a good part of the combined sum of sovereign wealth, which makes the whole .com boom look like a rounding error.

That's an overly simplistic way to look at the value Amazon, Microsoft and Apple have brought to our daily lives.

Yet I agree with you. Bitcoin is the first technological innovation that has genuinely excited me in years. It's a bizarre little system and kinda fucked up from a mainstream point of view, but that's exactly why it is so unexpectedly gamechanging. It solved a problem that most people weren't even aware of exists. In a way that most people didn't expect to work. Yet here we are.

Seeing how people got hyped by the next gen iPhone while utterly ignoring crypto-currencies I always got reminded of the apocryphal Ford quote: "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses."
2900  Economy / Securities / Re: Crypto Index Fund on: November 01, 2017, 10:58:14 AM
I'm not sure what to think of applying the concept of index funds to crypto. On one hand it's a great way to provide an investment vehicle to traditional investors. On the other hand it leads the concept of decentralized money at absurdum. But I guess that's mostly a question of personal preference and there's obviously a market for such a financial product.


You also might want to look at:
 https://www.bitwiseinvestments.com

I like their management approach.

Quite interesting. Not sure what to think of them rebalancing monthly though. That seems like an excessively long time frame for something as fast paced and volatile as crypto. It will be interesting to see how they fare in a bear market.
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