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28841  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [700GH/s] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool on: May 22, 2013, 06:24:08 AM
mintxfee=0.002
minrelaytxfee=0.002

those setting are the best for me, latency is now stable at 0.223
28842  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Block Erupter USB on: May 21, 2013, 09:44:25 PM
just buy a 10 usb port

$8 on amazon
28843  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Block Erupter USB on: May 21, 2013, 09:03:27 PM
2 x USB Miner vs. Radeon 7970, a simple power calculation for german users:

7970: let's give it 180W (GPU only) -> 0,18 kWh x 24h x 31d x 0,27 EUR = 36 EUR / month ~ 46 USD / month power costs
2 x USB Miner: 5W -> 0,005 kWh x 24h x 31d x 0,27 EUR = 1 EUR / month ~ 1.28 USD / month power costs

Well, in my book there are no open questions...

initial cost(investment) is the most important factor
7970 cost 100 usd less, also 7970 isn't the best vga for mining

a right comparison is 2 usb versus 7950, so 200 usd less(both 600MH\s)
also electricity is subjective(mine is 0.13 euro)
so i can run for 8 months mining before i start losing in comparison
and last but not last a gpu can be resold, those things not so much
28844  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Block Erupter USB Ready to Hash Everywhere in the World on: May 21, 2013, 08:52:26 PM
I wish I could buy one of these Sad
why? they can't make roi ever, they are useless...
28845  Local / Mining (Italiano) / Re: Litecoin Pool on: May 21, 2013, 12:31:54 PM
quello info perņ non so i dettagli, cmq bisogna avere un getwork latency basso, tipo sui 0.2s(0.05s č ottimale)
io mi sono semplicemente collegato agli altri nodi
non credo cmq sia necessaria tanta banda
28846  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [700GH/s] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool on: May 20, 2013, 08:26:03 PM
with 11.4 , 3.1.1 and 0.8.2

i'm getting 0.235s

my set
mintxfee=0.01
minrelaytxfee=0.005

much better than before(>2s with 0.8.1)
28847  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [700GH/s] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool on: May 20, 2013, 07:01:50 PM
ok then my question is , are my coins stored when i turn off p2pool?so i can restart from that point?

You do not lose anything by turning off p2pool, if you switch it on again straight away you will see your current payout for shares already submitted. It does not keep them forever though, see above. You will still get paid for any blocks found even while p2pool is off as well.
ok but where are, my delayed transactions, now that i use the new version(8.2) with better latency?
i ask this because when i switched to this new version my payout disappeared...

i have forgotten the 24 hours thing... substantially, i lost  the payouts because i stopped p2pool for more than 24 hours.....
28848  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [700GH/s] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool on: May 20, 2013, 06:05:05 PM
ok then my question is , are my coins stored when i turn off p2pool?so i can restart from that point?
28849  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [700GH/s] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool on: May 20, 2013, 02:48:12 PM
still no bitcoin from the last time i mined(3 days ago)

If you stopped mining 3 days ago and you are speaking of your p2pool rewards I don't see how it can be news.
so those share are lost?
28850  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [700GH/s] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool on: May 20, 2013, 12:05:19 PM
still no bitcoin from the last time i mined(3 days ago)
28851  Local / Mining (Italiano) / Re: Litecoin Pool on: May 20, 2013, 12:01:14 PM
io uso il p2pool, va alla grande, anche se adesso sembrano esserci ritardi sulle transazioni per via della latenza troppo alta
perņ sembra che con le versioni precedenti la 11.4 funzioni
28852  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon ASIC ROI ? on: May 20, 2013, 11:50:36 AM
this is more reasonable
28853  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: DO NOT BUY GPUs to mine! You will not get your money back! on: May 19, 2013, 07:44:29 PM
ASICs may be coming, but pre-ordering is stupid because you can at least begin to mine right now with a GPU instead of having to wait/pray for deliveries. I am speculating that the wave of ASICs will drive up the difficulty rather quickly and as a result drive down the demand (people will quickly learn that ASICs aren't "money-printing machines"). The lower demand along with increased competition among suppliers (companies won't be "scalping" once they can efficiently bring more ASICs to the market and the demand is lower; maybe even new companies will come up with cheaper and cheaper designs) will cause the price of  ASICs to drop drastically. At that point, I will probably buy an ASIC, only if I can get a return on my investment.

But, putting my money in the hands of someone else when there are still nice profits to be made right now with GPUs is stupid. You are paying the price in terms of lost opportunity and paying a premium for something that will probably depreciate by 10-100x once production increases. I'm waiting for the cheap knock-offs, but in the meantime I'm keeping my money in my own hands and using GPUs to mine. If I really wanted to speculate, I would probably just buy btcs.

You have maybe a month left of being able to mine with GPUs. No GPU you buy today will be able to pay for itself that quickly.

Yes, people will stop buying ASICs when they realize they aren't making any money with them because difficulty is way up there (in the several hundred million range).

The problem is that enough ASICs to hit that number have already been sold (but not delivered) and people will continue to buy them until the difficulty actually gets that high.

You have to compete with:
- Avalon batch 2 (just began to ship)
- Avalon batch 3 (shipping soon)
- ASICMiner USB and blades (blades available now, USB shipping soon)
- BFL 60,000+ orders (ok they may never ship all their orders, but they will ship enough to make an impact of difficulty)
- A couple of hundreds thousand discrete Avalon chips
- ASICMiner's claimed 200 TH they are adding this summer

All of those have already been paid for and are on their way. It's too late for GPUs.


the only factor here are the baldes, and usb(but they have low hash power) all the others, are vaporware for now, and this trend will continue at least until end of august

Obviously you don't visit the custom hardware subforum.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=209077.20

Does that look like vaporware?  Batch 2/3 should be completed by June (their new shipping got to the US in 3 days).  Those alone will double the current difficulty - putting a lot of miners into negative earnings territory.  Only people winter mining should consider continuing past June with any real hope of profits.

If friedcat gets those 200TH online then that will be nail in the coffin.


for asic blades, i mean everything produced by avalon, they are the only one legit , they also need to double the hash to make the diff x2, and those avalon asic are expensive, few people will buy them, in the end at least until the end of this summer, gpu are not dead

The 1200 Avalon ASICs from batch 2 and 3 ALREADY SOLD will add roughly 80 TH/sec to the world hashing power. That alone will double the difficulty.
i'm still not worried, i'll stop mining with my gpu only when the difficulty will reach 50m
28854  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Estimated difficulty by the end of Summer? on: May 19, 2013, 07:28:43 PM
100m? lol impossible, this mean a total hash rate of 1 peta, not gonna happen, in the worse case scenario,  the difficulty will reach 50m at the end of summer
28855  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: DO NOT BUY GPUs to mine! You will not get your money back! on: May 19, 2013, 11:52:48 AM
ASICs may be coming, but pre-ordering is stupid because you can at least begin to mine right now with a GPU instead of having to wait/pray for deliveries. I am speculating that the wave of ASICs will drive up the difficulty rather quickly and as a result drive down the demand (people will quickly learn that ASICs aren't "money-printing machines"). The lower demand along with increased competition among suppliers (companies won't be "scalping" once they can efficiently bring more ASICs to the market and the demand is lower; maybe even new companies will come up with cheaper and cheaper designs) will cause the price of  ASICs to drop drastically. At that point, I will probably buy an ASIC, only if I can get a return on my investment.

But, putting my money in the hands of someone else when there are still nice profits to be made right now with GPUs is stupid. You are paying the price in terms of lost opportunity and paying a premium for something that will probably depreciate by 10-100x once production increases. I'm waiting for the cheap knock-offs, but in the meantime I'm keeping my money in my own hands and using GPUs to mine. If I really wanted to speculate, I would probably just buy btcs.

You have maybe a month left of being able to mine with GPUs. No GPU you buy today will be able to pay for itself that quickly.

Yes, people will stop buying ASICs when they realize they aren't making any money with them because difficulty is way up there (in the several hundred million range).

The problem is that enough ASICs to hit that number have already been sold (but not delivered) and people will continue to buy them until the difficulty actually gets that high.

You have to compete with:
- Avalon batch 2 (just began to ship)
- Avalon batch 3 (shipping soon)
- ASICMiner USB and blades (blades available now, USB shipping soon)
- BFL 60,000+ orders (ok they may never ship all their orders, but they will ship enough to make an impact of difficulty)
- A couple of hundreds thousand discrete Avalon chips
- ASICMiner's claimed 200 TH they are adding this summer

All of those have already been paid for and are on their way. It's too late for GPUs.


the only factor here are the baldes, and usb(but they have low hash power) all the others, are vaporware for now, and this trend will continue at least until end of august

Obviously you don't visit the custom hardware subforum.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=209077.20

Does that look like vaporware?  Batch 2/3 should be completed by June (their new shipping got to the US in 3 days).  Those alone will double the current difficulty - putting a lot of miners into negative earnings territory.  Only people winter mining should consider continuing past June with any real hope of profits.

If friedcat gets those 200TH online then that will be nail in the coffin.


for asic blades, i mean everything produced by avalon, they are the only one legit , they also need to double the hash to make the diff x2, and those avalon asic are expensive, few people will buy them, in the end at least until the end of this summer, gpu are not dead
28856  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: anyroll's 10BTC GIVEAWAY list of available numbers on: May 19, 2013, 08:01:34 AM
He is meditating on the next scam, u silly people lol
28857  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [700GH/s] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool on: May 19, 2013, 07:58:48 AM
yeah, two days and still no transactions, even with 4 share and efficiency of 130...
i switch to btcguild for now
28858  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: DO NOT BUY GPUs to mine! You will not get your money back! on: May 19, 2013, 07:53:45 AM
ASICs may be coming, but pre-ordering is stupid because you can at least begin to mine right now with a GPU instead of having to wait/pray for deliveries. I am speculating that the wave of ASICs will drive up the difficulty rather quickly and as a result drive down the demand (people will quickly learn that ASICs aren't "money-printing machines"). The lower demand along with increased competition among suppliers (companies won't be "scalping" once they can efficiently bring more ASICs to the market and the demand is lower; maybe even new companies will come up with cheaper and cheaper designs) will cause the price of  ASICs to drop drastically. At that point, I will probably buy an ASIC, only if I can get a return on my investment.

But, putting my money in the hands of someone else when there are still nice profits to be made right now with GPUs is stupid. You are paying the price in terms of lost opportunity and paying a premium for something that will probably depreciate by 10-100x once production increases. I'm waiting for the cheap knock-offs, but in the meantime I'm keeping my money in my own hands and using GPUs to mine. If I really wanted to speculate, I would probably just buy btcs.

You have maybe a month left of being able to mine with GPUs. No GPU you buy today will be able to pay for itself that quickly.

Yes, people will stop buying ASICs when they realize they aren't making any money with them because difficulty is way up there (in the several hundred million range).

The problem is that enough ASICs to hit that number have already been sold (but not delivered) and people will continue to buy them until the difficulty actually gets that high.

You have to compete with:
- Avalon batch 2 (just began to ship)
- Avalon batch 3 (shipping soon)
- ASICMiner USB and blades (blades available now, USB shipping soon)
- BFL 60,000+ orders (ok they may never ship all their orders, but they will ship enough to make an impact of difficulty)
- A couple of hundreds thousand discrete Avalon chips
- ASICMiner's claimed 200 TH they are adding this summer

All of those have already been paid for and are on their way. It's too late for GPUs.


the only factor here are the baldes, and usb(but they have low hash power) all the others, are vaporware for now, and this trend will continue at least until end of august
28859  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 9000+ GH/s on: May 19, 2013, 07:46:37 AM
a share cost 0.02, payed with dividend of 1/150 = 0.0003 in max 48 hours, this mean that roi is 150 days at least, did i understand this right?
28860  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 9000+ GH/s on: May 18, 2013, 08:00:41 PM
they were at 14 tera some time ago
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